Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 There are at least 4 Rudra/Rudraksha-type Center/Centre-type sites. Could you kindly provide us with the exact and full spelling of the website name of your Rudra Center that provides authentication service? Would it be possible to arrange for suppliers like Rudraksha- Ratna.com, NepaRudraksha.com or NepaliRudraksha.com, RudrakshaNepal.com to send Rudraksha beads purchased from their websites to that Rudra Center for authentication? , AumShiningLotus@a... wrote: > : > ... the truth > is that there really has never been one of these beads seen that has actually > been authenticated as an authentic bead.......Astology Mantra.com in England > will sell you their authenic one mukhi round for $1000 and Mumbai Trust will > sell you their authentic one for US $500............or is it $250 now > > The beads they sell are 3 Mukhi or 5 Mukhi Nepal rounds with the lines filled > in......the one Mukhi Round does not exist......doesnt matter who says it > does unless the bead has been tested for authenticity first......The Nepal > Families in Nepal Rudraksa forest do not have these beads and the supplier families > are the first to the trees dureing the harvest and there is no mysery > here....................If the Nepal Families who live in the Arun Valley of the > Dingla Bazaar area do not find them.............. then no one has them to > sell................... and the Nepal Families that supply to the Dealers in Kathmandu > dont sell one mukhi rounds.......the fake one Mukhi rounds start showing up > after the Dealers in Kathmandu start getting ahold of the beads from harves and > giveing the properly shaped ones to their artisand to fill in the > lines......................people who sell the fake one mukhi rounds are higher up in the > wholesale and retail markets as they have artisans who change the bead and > then yes.........sell them to unsuspeciting gurus........Suresh Basnet of Nepal > Rudraksa told us he would be able to supply us with as many counterfiet beads > as real beads and no one would be able to tell the difference..........The idea > was not a new one.......he probably was suggesting we could mix the beads on > a mala and no one would know.............problem for him is we have an > authenication service and we only sell authentic beads.............we dont do > business with him because dealing in fake beads is against the basic concept of the > Siva Purana.........so supporting Rudraksa Nepal or God Promise or > AstologyMantra and others in England and elsewhere who offer fake one mukhi rounds for > $1000 really doesnt seem to be a good idea > : > Is > similar situation as the 2 Mukhi Round Nepal that actually grows in Assam however > the supply trade always calls this rudraksha the Nepal Round 2 Mukhi > : > Rudra Center America > > DharmaDev Arya > : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Dear Friend Please find our Rudra Center Website at www.rudraksha-ratna.com The 3 locations you can send to are listed on the Distirbutor Page and Contact Us Page..............one location in Mumbai.......one location in Australia......and Rudra Center America here in California If you are in the US please send any beads for authentication to Rudra Center America 20683 Tumeric Way Jamul CA 91935 Was told by Basnet of the RudrakshaNepal site that he could supply fake mukhis from about 14 Muki to 21 Mukhi and they could not be detected however the now that the Moaist Guerillas are disrupting the business in the Dingla Bazaar area of Nepal the fake Beads could be starting in the 12 Mukhi area and the Gauri Shankar Bead No cost for authentication however please put $5 in box for return shipping by 3 day US Priority Mail with confirmation delivery certificate so can be tracked by Post Office on return shipping Thanks and Take Care Rudra Center America DharmaDev Arya In a message dated 12/12/2004 9:53:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, no_reply writes: > Subj: RBSC : Re: Round 1-mukhi Rudraksha bead > 12/12/2004 9:53:19 AM Pacific Standard Time > no_reply > Reply-to: > > Sent from the Internet There are at least 4 Rudra/Rudraksha-type Center/Centre-type sites. > Could you kindly provide us with the exact and full spelling of the > website name of your Rudra Center that provides authentication > > service? > > Would it be possible to arrange for suppliers like Rudraksha- > Ratna.com, NepaRudraksha.com or NepaliRudraksha.com, > RudrakshaNepal.com to send Rudraksha beads purchased from their > websites to that Rudra Center for authentication? > > , > AumShiningLotus@a... wrote: > >: > >... the truth > >is that there really has never been one of these beads seen that > has actually > >been authenticated as an authentic bead.......Astology Mantra.com > in England > >will sell you their authenic one mukhi round for $1000 and Mumbai > Trust will > >sell you their authentic one for US $500............or is it $250 > now > > > >The beads they sell are 3 Mukhi or 5 Mukhi Nepal rounds with the > lines filled > >in......the one Mukhi Round does not exist......doesnt matter who > says it > >does unless the bead has been tested for authenticity > first......The Nepal > >Families in Nepal Rudraksa forest do not have these beads and the > supplier families > >are the first to the trees dureing the harvest and there is no > mysery > >here....................If the Nepal Families who live in the Arun > Valley of the > >Dingla Bazaar area do not find them.............. then no one has > them to > >sell................... and the Nepal Families that supply to the > Dealers in Kathmandu > >dont sell one mukhi rounds.......the fake one Mukhi rounds start > showing up > >after the Dealers in Kathmandu start getting ahold of the beads > from harves and > >giveing the properly shaped ones to their artisand to fill in the > >lines......................people who sell the fake one mukhi > rounds are higher up in the > >wholesale and retail markets as they have artisans who change the > bead and > >then yes.........sell them to unsuspeciting gurus........Suresh > Basnet of Nepal > >Rudraksa told us he would be able to supply us with as many > counterfiet beads > >as real beads and no one would be able to tell the > difference..........The idea > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Dear friends Despite not being a professional Rudraksha sadhak, I feel compelled to respond to some of the points raised below. I believe and absolutely agree with shree DDji that there is a lot of highly effective, and truth be told, extremely complex, capabilities that exist today to fake a bead to appear different from it's natural existence. With very high prices being driven it becomes lucrative to some people to go that extra step to deceive or con someone out of the money by providing something that is not necessarily accurate in it's description. However on the same note I must also stress that the science has not yet advanced to a stage where we can conclusively derive based on scientific hard facts alone that something exists or does not exist especially when it comes to a variety that is known to be extremely rare even as far back as 2000 years or more ago when probably Puranas were being passed from generation to generation through the word of mouth and only a few hard copies actually existed. I have studied Hindu religious scriptures as my pastime all my life. And through profession I have studied science all my life. I am yet to come across writings in Puranas, Vedas and even upanishadas that can be conclusively discarded on scientific basis as someone's imagination. Each new year seems to turn the science on it's head and all that we know through science conclusively is the re-affirmation that we do not know everything yet. Therefore as much as I agree with shree DDji and to the good work that he is doing to rebuke the sellers of fake beads (and believe me there are more of them than we would ever truly know). I have to stress that for now we would have to take the word of religious books and keep on believing that a true one mukhi does actually exist as described in the religious books. It is only through seeing past the intensely physical and factual world that we can truly see beyond the intensity of kaliyug. The only hope in this time of facts and figures is to have an equally strong faith in what you truly believe in. Therefore I for one say that I un-equivocally believe that the true one mukhi Rudraksha does exist. However for goodness sake, unless you are getting such things from someone whom you believe in as much as you would believe if Lord Shiva himself stood in front of you and granted you a bead, you would be ill advised to buy one without it being authenticated by at least three separate experts who preferably do not know each other. I apologise in advance if I have offended anyone, that is not intended at all. However I feel so strongly about it that I had to write. Kind regards Anand AumShiningLotus wrote: Survey Please help us to improve . Take the survey now! Dear Shiv Sewakji Namaskar Mitra...........in reality the authentic round one mukhi is not rare......it is non existant..........it does not exist because there has yet to be a tree found that grows this bead........it is a dream only.........have been observeing a lot of one mukhi round bead message the past week and the truth is that there really has never been one of these beads seen that has actually been authenticated as an authentic bead.......Astology Mantra.com in England will sell you their authenic one mukhi round for $1000 and Mumbai Trust will sell you their authentic one for US $500............or is it $250 now The beads they sell are 3 Mukhi or 5 Mukhi Nepal rounds with the lines filled in......the one Mukhi Round does not exist......doesnt matter who says it does unless the bead has been tested for authenticity first......The Nepal Families in Nepal Rudraksa forest do not have these beads and the supplier families are the first to the trees dureing the harvest and there is no mysery here....................If the Nepal Families who live in the Arun Valley of the Dingla Bazaar area do not find them.............. then no one has them to sell................... and the Nepal Families that supply to the Dealers in Kathmandu dont sell one mukhi rounds.......the fake one Mukhi rounds start showing up after the Dealers in Kathmandu start getting ahold of the beads from harves and giveing the properly shaped ones to their artisand to fill in the lines......................people who sell the fake one mukhi rounds are higher up in the wholesale and retail markets as they have artisans who change the bead and then yes.........sell them to unsuspeciting gurus........Suresh Basnet of Nepal Rudraksa told us he would be able to supply us with as many counterfiet beads as real beads and no one would be able to tell the difference..........The idea was not a new one.......he probably was suggesting we could mix the beads on a mala and no one would know.............problem for him is we have an authenication service and we only sell authentic beads.............we dont do business with him because dealing in fake beads is against the basic concept of the Siva Purana.........so supporting Rudraksa Nepal or God Promise or AstologyMantra and others in England and elsewhere who offer fake one mukhi rounds for $1000 really doesnt seem to be a good idea Please understand that you can believe what you wish however from a suppliers standpoint we cannot order them because they do not exist.................reason is not because they are rare............there are no trees found that grow these beads in Nepal........... in England or anywhere else...........Is similar situation as the 2 Mukhi Round Nepal that actually grows in Assam however the supply trade always calls this rudraksha the Nepal Round 2 Mukhi There is also some new high tech glue the artisans in Nepal are useing to cover two lines in the 3 Mukhi Nepal to make it a one Mukhi that cannot be boiled out with water............. and the name of the dissolveing agent that does clean out the lines when this glue is used is in our archives here somewhere............dont remember what it is at the moment you can brace yourself for this next statement however you Friend and Your Guruji has been misled regarding the one mukhi bead......as there is no such thing and if there were no one could afford the rudraksa as would be priceless When you say the Gauri Shankar Bead had Ganesh Showing what do you mean......is there Lord Ganesha Carved on the Bead or is this the Ganesh Bead that has the natural Trunk hope this helps as we do this message about three times a year on the group site to let people know what the are dealing with Wishing you and Family the Best Aum NamaSivya Sivaya Nama Aum Dhanyavaad cha Pranams Mitra Rudra Center America DharmaDev Arya In a message dated 12/10/2004 10:47:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, shiv_sewak writes: >> > Dear All, > > "Om Guru NamahOm Namah Shiva" > > By the grace on my Guru Ji, I have been fortunate enough to see a genuine > round one mukhi Rudraksh bead. My Guru Ji prepared a mala comprising one > through to fourteen mukhi beads for a friend of mine here in England UK. The mala > contained a Gauri Shankar bead with Ganesh showing so I felt extremely > privilged to have seen it. > > I agree that the one mukhi round beads are extremely rare, and as suggested, > probably to the extent that they can be considered non existent, however, by > the grace of ones Guru and the Supreme Lord Shiv's will, it is possible to > acquire. > > "Om Guru NamahOm Namah Shiva" > > karisprowl <karisprowl wrote: > > You can't buy real round Nepali 1-mukhi. They are so rare as to be > thought generally non-existent. > > However, crescent shaped 1-mukhi offer the same benefits, and are > readily obtainable. > > Thanks! Kari > > , valampuriowner > <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > >Where can I buy a round Nepali 1-mukhi Rudraksha bead of the > >Elaeocarpus ganitrus species? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Dear Anandji thank you for your most thoughtful message......yes there is a probability that there must be at least one......somewhere on the planet........simply dont know where it might be........would be nice if we could find Thanks and Take Care DharmaDev In a message dated 12/13/2004 8:15:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, anand_nortel writes: > > > > > Dear friends > > Despite not being a professional Rudraksha sadhak, I feel compelled to > respond to some of the points raised below. > > I believe and absolutely agree with shree DDji that there is a lot of highly > effective, and truth be told, extremely complex, capabilities that exist > today to fake a bead to appear different from it's natural existence. > > With very high prices being driven it becomes lucrative to some people to go > that extra step to deceive or con someone out of the money by providing > something that is not necessarily accurate in it's description. > > However on the same note I must also stress that the science has not yet > advanced to a stage where we can conclusively derive based on scientific hard > facts alone that something exists or does not exist especially when it comes to > a variety that is known to be extremely rare even as far back as 2000 years > or more ago when probably Puranas were being passed from generation to > generation through the word of mouth and only a few hard copies actually existed. > > I have studied Hindu religious scriptures as my pastime all my life. And > through profession I have studied science all my life. I am yet to come across > writings in Puranas, Vedas and even upanishadas that can be conclusively > discarded on scientific basis as someone's imagination. > > Each new year seems to turn the science on it's head and all that we know > through science conclusively is the re-affirmation that we do not know > everything yet. > > Therefore as much as I agree with shree DDji and to the good work that he is > doing to rebuke the sellers of fake beads (and believe me there are more of > them than we would ever truly know). I have to stress that for now we would > have to take the word of religious books and keep on believing that a true > one mukhi does actually exist as described in the religious books. > > It is only through seeing past the intensely physical and factual world that > we can truly see beyond the intensity of kaliyug. The only hope in this > time of facts and figures is to have an equally strong faith in what you truly > believe in. Therefore I for one say that I un-equivocally believe that the > true one mukhi Rudraksha does exist. > > However for goodness sake, unless you are getting such things from someone > whom you believe in as much as you would believe if Lord Shiva himself stood > in front of you and granted you a bead, you would be ill advised to buy one > without it being authenticated by at least three separate experts who > preferably do not know each other. > > I apologise in advance if I have offended anyone, that is not intended at > all. However I feel so strongly about it that I had to write. > > Kind regards > > Anand > > > AumShiningLotus wrote: > Survey > Please help us to improve . Take the survey now! > Dear Shiv Sewakji > > Namaskar Mitra...........in reality the authentic round one mukhi is not > rare......it is non existant..........it does not exist because there has > yet to > be a tree found that grows this bead........it is a dream only.........have > been observeing a lot of one mukhi round bead message the past week and the > truth > is that there really has never been one of these beads seen that has > actually > been authenticated as an authentic bead.......Astology Mantra.com in England > > will sell you their authenic one mukhi round for $1000 and Mumbai Trust will > > sell you their authentic one for US $500............or is it $250 now > > The beads they sell are 3 Mukhi or 5 Mukhi Nepal rounds with the lines > filled > in......the one Mukhi Round does not exist......doesnt matter who says it > does unless the bead has been tested for authenticity first......The Nepal > Families in Nepal Rudraksa forest do not have these beads and the supplier > families > are the first to the trees dureing the harvest and there is no mysery > here....................If the Nepal Families who live in the Arun Valley of > the > Dingla Bazaar area do not find them.............. then no one has them to > sell................... and the Nepal Families that supply to the Dealers in > Kathmandu > dont sell one mukhi rounds.......the fake one Mukhi rounds start showing up > after the Dealers in Kathmandu start getting ahold of the beads from harves > and > giveing the properly shaped ones to their artisand to fill in the > lines......................people who sell the fake one mukhi rounds are > higher up in the > wholesale and retail markets as they have artisans who change the bead and > then yes.........sell them to unsuspeciting gurus........Suresh Basnet of > Nepal > Rudraksa told us he would be able to supply us with as many counterfiet > beads > as real beads and no one would be able to tell the difference..........The > idea > was not a new one.......he probably was suggesting we could mix the beads on > > a mala and no one would know.............problem for him is we have an > authenication service and we only sell authentic beads.............we dont > do > business with him because dealing in fake beads is against the basic concept > of the > Siva Purana.........so supporting Rudraksa Nepal or God Promise or > AstologyMantra and others in England and elsewhere who offer fake one mukhi > rounds for > $1000 really doesnt seem to be a good idea > > Please understand that you can believe what you wish however from a > suppliers > standpoint we cannot order them because they do not > exist.................reason is not because they are rare............there > are no trees found that grow > these beads in Nepal........... in England or anywhere else...........Is > similar situation as the 2 Mukhi Round Nepal that actually grows in Assam > however > the supply trade always calls this rudraksha the Nepal Round 2 Mukhi > > There is also some new high tech glue the artisans in Nepal are useing to > cover two lines in the 3 Mukhi Nepal to make it a one Mukhi that cannot be > boiled > out with water............. and the name of the dissolveing agent that does > clean out the lines when this glue is used is in our archives here > somewhere............dont remember what it is at the moment > > you can brace yourself for this next statement however you Friend and Your > Guruji has been misled regarding the one mukhi bead......as there is no such > > thing and if there were no one could afford the rudraksa as would be > priceless > > When you say the Gauri Shankar Bead had Ganesh Showing what do you > mean......is there Lord Ganesha Carved on the Bead or is this the Ganesh > Bead that has > the natural Trunk > > hope this helps as we do this message about three times a year on the group > site to let people know what the are dealing with > > Wishing you and Family the Best > > Aum NamaSivya Sivaya Nama Aum > > Dhanyavaad cha Pranams Mitra > > Rudra Center America > > DharmaDev Arya > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2004 10:47:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, > shiv_sewak writes: > > >> > >Dear All, > > > >"Om Guru NamahOm Namah Shiva" > > > >By the grace on my Guru Ji, I have been fortunate enough to see a genuine > >round one mukhi Rudraksh bead. My Guru Ji prepared a mala comprising one > >through to fourteen mukhi beads for a friend of mine here in England UK. > The mala > >contained a Gauri Shankar bead with Ganesh showing so I felt extremely > >privilged to have seen it. > > > >I agree that the one mukhi round beads are extremely rare, and as > suggested, > >probably to the extent that they can be considered non existent, however, > by > >the grace of ones Guru and the Supreme Lord Shiv's will, it is possible to > >acquire. > > > >"Om Guru NamahOm Namah Shiva" > > > >karisprowl <karisprowl wrote: > > > >You can't buy real round Nepali 1-mukhi. They are so rare as to be > >thought generally non-existent. > > > >However, crescent shaped 1-mukhi offer the same benefits, and are > >readily obtainable. > > > >Thanks! Kari > > > >, valampuriowner > ><no_reply> wrote: > >> > >> > >>Where can I buy a round Nepali 1-mukhi Rudraksha bead of the > >>Elaeocarpus ganitrus species? To send an email to: > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Dear Friend why do you write message with no salutation or with no name......nobody here knows who you are......would be nice to know who we are talking to there is no answer to first question as we have not found an authentic round one mukhi to compare anything to The Assam 2 Mukhi is not Eleocarpus Ganitrus Roxb Dont know the scientific name of the One Mukhi Half Moon Shape Rudraksa Dont know the scientific name of the 2 Mukhi and 3 Mukhi Oblong shape however to attach Oblongus to as sub species for Eleocarpus may or may not be soemthing to do If this is important to you most all the plants and trees of India and Nepal have been catalogued by the British years ago and there is probably a list of these trees on an internationally recognized scientific site hope this helps Thanks and Take Care DharmaDev In a message dated 12/13/2004 8:16:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, no_reply writes: > Subj: RBSC : Re: Round 1-mukhi Rudraksha bead > 12/13/2004 8:16:28 AM Pacific Standard Time > no_reply > Reply-to: > > Sent from the Internet Although the Half Moon has electrical characteristics similar to > genuine Rudraksha beads, do you mean the electrical characteristics > are the same as those of the round 1-mukhi Rudraksha bead, whose > electrical characteristics would be unknown since it is "non- > existent"? > > Is the round Assamese 2-mukhi bead an Olaeocarpus ganitrus? > > Are the long Indian 1-mukhi, 2-mukhi and 3-mukhi beads Olaeocarpus > Onblongus? And, would these be Badraksha beads? > > Is the Half Moon a non-Badraksha and also a non-Rudraksha? > > , "Simone" > <syzenith> wrote: > >: > >... the existence of Round One Mukhi, then > >I humbly also "Greet the Divine Round One Mukhi Within You". > > > >... Neither can the genuine Round > >One Mukhi be seen in modern times even though it was mentioned in > >ancient scriptures. > > > >One Mukhi Rudraksha is Supreme God Himself/Itself/Herself (for > those > >who do not see duality such as Advaitas and traditional or > classical > >tantrikas). For those who also do not see Duality, the Half-Moon > >Shape One Mukhi is also One Mukhi with electromagnetic and other > >relevant properties characteristic of genuine rudraksha. > >: > > > To send an email to: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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