Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Dear Respected Simoneji Goodness you have covered this subject in great length......thank you for this immense Knowledge you have given us........a lot to think about in what you have written Aum NamaSivaya Sivaya Nama Aum DharmaDev In a message dated 10/8/2004 4:27:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, syzenith writes: > > > > > Namaste Sri DDji, > > I'm still in the state of Victoria.. Still on the road.....in a > country location. > > With all due respect: > --------------------- > There is a kind of "technicality" with the Shabar. Too lengthy to > explain. But briefly: In an ultimate aspect, Rudraksha contains > Yantra, Mantra and Tantra that has the potential to guide an > aspirant to the Upa-Guru within, i.e. Atman. When using this > mantra, different individuals experience different "signposts" > or "signals" of their personal progress or spiritual growth and > maturity. > > Progress and achievement of mantra siddhi is also governed by karma > of preceeding births, karma created during this birth (samsara), > rtam (heavenly or cosmic movements) and rnanubandhana (past life > bondage), whether it is slow and steady or acceleration at once to > kundalini arising gently, etc. Each person experiences different > levels and dimensions when connecting with God/dess in the form of > Mantra. > > "Guru" in the twilight language of the Rudraksha Shabar Mantra has > several meanings: > > Guru as in Lord Jupiter to certain Jyotishis; > Guru as in Upa-Guru (the guru within and innate in all beings); > Guru as in one's real life guru; > Guru as in one's Ishta Devata; > Guru as in one's family deity; > Guru as in one's Ultimate God/dess; > Guru as in LordVenus(Shukracharya to some Nathas, Aghoris,Jyotishis); > > Guru as in a certain Deity one is trying to seek blessings or > Darshan from, at any given time or during a certain stage of sadhana. > > Many more examples to the above but I hope this helps in dispersing > some misconceptions. > > The term "Guru" is used by different people of different backgrounds > and lineages. "Guru" can also be "Guruji" or simply spelt "Guru". > Just like "chela" is also "shisya". Just like Rudraksha can be speIt > as "rudraksh" or "rudraksham" depending on Northern Indian or > Southern Indian lingo and accents. Or "ascent". It is all one and > the same. Teachers can become students and sometimes students become > the "teachers'" gurus. All is leela and maya, like a sort of musical > chairs. When there is no Duality, one sees that there are many > paths to the Summit but God/dess is One. > > For example: > ----------- > As a very humble rudraksha sadhaka, my Ultimate God/dess is > Rudraksha. Be they rudrakshas representing male or female deities, > they are all my Ultimate Guru. When wearing, using or worshipping > rudraksha, I prostrate and salute them as "Guru" and sometimes I > refer to them as "Guruji" or "Gurudev" that encompasses all that is > the "One". > > It is up to the individual to see which pronounciation is > comfortable to them and then use it accordingly. Hope the above > makes sense. > > To other Respected Friends and Members: > ----- > If you have anything to add to the above and wish to share your > experiences or your "individual understanding" of the term "Guru", > you are most welcome to further enlighten us ) Thanking all. > > Om Namah Shivaya > Jai Shree Gurudev Namaha > Simone > > > > , > AumShiningLotus@a... wrote: > >Dear Simonji and Friends > > > >Namaskar Mitra and many thanks for placeing the Rudraksha Shabar > Mantra on > >the clubesite...........need some help in how the word Shabar > relates to the > >Mantra > > > >Dictionaries here give a lot of meanings however does anyone on > the club site > >know what Shabar means regarding the words Rudraksha Shabar Mantra > > > >Then if you go to our website mantra webpage for the short Shabar > >Mantra........... the first word of the second verse.......... > first sentence........... > >has Guruji as the Devanagari word..............if you scroll down > and look at > >the entire SHABAR Mantra that same word is spelled Guru instead of > Guruji in > >Devanagari.........why would there be a change from the short > version to the > >full version............from the word Guruji to Guru > > > >Are we supposed to be chanting Guru or Guruji > > > >Hopefully our Respected Indian Friends might have explanation for > this even > >though we are the ones who put this one the website > > > >Thanks and Take Care Mitra > > > >DharmaDev > > > >In a message dated 10/4/2004 6:31:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >syzenith writes: > > > >>Subj: RBSC : Rudraksha Shabar Mantra > >> 10/4/2004 6:31:49 PM Pacific Standard Time > >> syzenith > >> Reply-to: > >> > >> Sent from the Internet > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Rudraksha Shabar Mantra > >>------------------------------ > >> > >>Mantras are Sanskrit-invocations of the Supreme Being. Reinforced > >>and propelled by japa meditation, they pass from the verbal level > >>through the mental and telepathic states, and on to pure thought > >>energy. Of all languages, Sanskrit most closely approaches > >>telepathic language because of its affinity to the fifty primeval > >>sounds. It is the most direct way to approach the transcendental > >>state. > >> > >>Mantras cannot be concocted or tailor-made for the individual, > >>despite some current claims. They have always existed in a latent > >>state as sound energies. Just as gravity was discovered but not > >>invented by Newton, Mantras were revealed to the ancient masters. > >>They have been codified in the scriptures and handed down from > guru > >>to disciple. Although it is customary for the guru when giving > >>initiation to accept voluntary offerings of fruit, flowers or > money, > >>the selling of Mantras is strictly against all spiritual rules. > >> > >>Neither Mantra, deity nor guru, once chosen, should be changed. > >>There are many paths up the mountain. Perseverance on one alone > will > >>bring the aspirant to the top faster than if he were to spread > his > >>energies in exploring all the alternative paths. > >> > >> > >>RUDRAKSHA MANTRA - SHABAR > >> > >>Sat Namo Adesh, Guruji Ko Adesh, Om Guruji, > >>Mukhe Brahma Madhye Vishnu Ling Naam Maheshwar Sarvadeva > Namaskaram > >>Rudrakshaya Namoh Namah > >> > >>Use the above SHABAR Mantra for immediate effects. The Mantra > can be > >>recited before wearing Rudraksha / Rudraksha Mala and after > removing > >>the same. > >> > >> > >>RUDRAKSHA MANTRA - THE COMPLETE SHABAR MANTRA > >>-------------------------------- > --- > >> > >>Sat Namo Adesh, Guruji Ko Adesh, Om Guruji, Mukhe Brahma Madhye > >>Vishnu Ling Naam Maheshwar Sarvadeva Namaskaram Rudrakshaya Namoh > >>Namah. Gaganmandal May Dhundhukara Pataal Niranjan Nirakaar. > >>Nirakaar May Charna Paduka, Charna Paduka May Pindi, Pindi May > >>Vasuk, Vasuk May Kasuk, Kasuk May Kurm, Kurm May Mari, Mari May > >>NaagFani, Alash Purush Nay Bail Kay Seengh Par Rai Thaharahi. > Dhiraj > >>Dharm Ki Dhuni Jamai. Vahaan Par Rudraksha Sumer Parvat Par > Jamaiye > >>Usme Se Phootay 6 Dali, Ek Gaya Purv, Ek Gaya Dakshin, Ek Gaya > >>Paschim, Ek Gaya Uttar, Ek Gaya Akaash, Ek Gaya Pataal, Usme > Lagya > >>Ek Mukhi Rudraksha, Shri Rudra Par Chadaiye. Shri Onkaar Adinath > Ji > >>Ko, Do Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Chandra Surya Ko, Teen Mukhi > >>Rudraksha Chadaiye Teen Loko Ko, Chaar Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye > >>Chaar Vedon Ko. Paanch Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Paanch Pandavo > Ko, > >>Chaah Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Shat Darshan Ko, Saat Mukhi > Rudraksha > >>Chadaiye Sapt Samudro Ko, Astha Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Astha > Kuli > >>Nago Ko, NavMukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye NavNaatho Ko, Dash Mukhi > >>Rudraksha Chadaiye Dash Avtaaro Ko, Gyaara Mukhi Rudraksha > Chadaiye > >>Gyaara Rudra Ko, Dvaadash Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye (Surya) Baraah > >>Panth Ko, Terah Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Tentees Koti Devtao Ko, > >>Chaudhah Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Chaudhah Bhuwan (Chaudhah > Ratno) > >>Ko, Pandrah Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Pandrah Thithiyo Ko, Solah > >>Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Solah Shringaar Ko, Satraah Mukhi > Rudraksha > >>Chadaiye Shri Sita Mata Ko, Attarah Bhaar Vanaspati Ko, Unnees > Mukhi > >>Rudraksha Chadaiye Alash Purush Ko, Bees Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye > >>Vishnu Bhagwan Ko, Ikkis Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Ikkis > Brahamaand > >>Shiv Ko,Nir Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Nirakaar Ko, Itna Rudraksha > >>Mantra Sampurna Bhaya, Shri Nath Ji Kay Charan Kamal May Adesh, > >>Adesh. > >> > >>***** Sanskrit text for the above Mantra can be found at: > >>http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/shabar_mantra.php > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>To send an email to: > >> > >> > >> > >> Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. 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Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Namaste Sri DDji, I'm still in the state of Victoria.. Still on the road.....in a country location. With all due respect: --------------------- There is a kind of "technicality" with the Shabar. Too lengthy to explain. But briefly: In an ultimate aspect, Rudraksha contains Yantra, Mantra and Tantra that has the potential to guide an aspirant to the Upa-Guru within, i.e. Atman. When using this mantra, different individuals experience different "signposts" or "signals" of their personal progress or spiritual growth and maturity. Progress and achievement of mantra siddhi is also governed by karma of preceeding births, karma created during this birth (samsara), rtam (heavenly or cosmic movements) and rnanubandhana (past life bondage), whether it is slow and steady or acceleration at once to kundalini arising gently, etc. Each person experiences different levels and dimensions when connecting with God/dess in the form of Mantra. "Guru" in the twilight language of the Rudraksha Shabar Mantra has several meanings: Guru as in Lord Jupiter to certain Jyotishis; Guru as in Upa-Guru (the guru within and innate in all beings); Guru as in one's real life guru; Guru as in one's Ishta Devata; Guru as in one's family deity; Guru as in one's Ultimate God/dess; Guru as in LordVenus(Shukracharya to some Nathas, Aghoris,Jyotishis); Guru as in a certain Deity one is trying to seek blessings or Darshan from, at any given time or during a certain stage of sadhana. Many more examples to the above but I hope this helps in dispersing some misconceptions. The term "Guru" is used by different people of different backgrounds and lineages. "Guru" can also be "Guruji" or simply spelt "Guru". Just like "chela" is also "shisya". Just like Rudraksha can be speIt as "rudraksh" or "rudraksham" depending on Northern Indian or Southern Indian lingo and accents. Or "ascent". It is all one and the same. Teachers can become students and sometimes students become the "teachers'" gurus. All is leela and maya, like a sort of musical chairs. When there is no Duality, one sees that there are many paths to the Summit but God/dess is One. For example: ----------- As a very humble rudraksha sadhaka, my Ultimate God/dess is Rudraksha. Be they rudrakshas representing male or female deities, they are all my Ultimate Guru. When wearing, using or worshipping rudraksha, I prostrate and salute them as "Guru" and sometimes I refer to them as "Guruji" or "Gurudev" that encompasses all that is the "One". It is up to the individual to see which pronounciation is comfortable to them and then use it accordingly. Hope the above makes sense. To other Respected Friends and Members: ----- If you have anything to add to the above and wish to share your experiences or your "individual understanding" of the term "Guru", you are most welcome to further enlighten us ) Thanking all. Om Namah Shivaya Jai Shree Gurudev Namaha Simone , AumShiningLotus@a... wrote: > Dear Simonji and Friends > > Namaskar Mitra and many thanks for placeing the Rudraksha Shabar Mantra on > the clubesite...........need some help in how the word Shabar relates to the > Mantra > > Dictionaries here give a lot of meanings however does anyone on the club site > know what Shabar means regarding the words Rudraksha Shabar Mantra > > Then if you go to our website mantra webpage for the short Shabar > Mantra........... the first word of the second verse.......... first sentence........... > has Guruji as the Devanagari word..............if you scroll down and look at > the entire SHABAR Mantra that same word is spelled Guru instead of Guruji in > Devanagari.........why would there be a change from the short version to the > full version............from the word Guruji to Guru > > Are we supposed to be chanting Guru or Guruji > > Hopefully our Respected Indian Friends might have explanation for this even > though we are the ones who put this one the website > > Thanks and Take Care Mitra > > DharmaDev > > In a message dated 10/4/2004 6:31:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > syzenith writes: > > > Subj: RBSC : Rudraksha Shabar Mantra > > 10/4/2004 6:31:49 PM Pacific Standard Time > > syzenith > > Reply-to: > > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > Rudraksha Shabar Mantra > > ------------------------------ > > > > Mantras are Sanskrit-invocations of the Supreme Being. Reinforced > > and propelled by japa meditation, they pass from the verbal level > > through the mental and telepathic states, and on to pure thought > > energy. Of all languages, Sanskrit most closely approaches > > telepathic language because of its affinity to the fifty primeval > > sounds. It is the most direct way to approach the transcendental > > state. > > > > Mantras cannot be concocted or tailor-made for the individual, > > despite some current claims. They have always existed in a latent > > state as sound energies. Just as gravity was discovered but not > > invented by Newton, Mantras were revealed to the ancient masters. > > They have been codified in the scriptures and handed down from guru > > to disciple. Although it is customary for the guru when giving > > initiation to accept voluntary offerings of fruit, flowers or money, > > the selling of Mantras is strictly against all spiritual rules. > > > > Neither Mantra, deity nor guru, once chosen, should be changed. > > There are many paths up the mountain. Perseverance on one alone will > > bring the aspirant to the top faster than if he were to spread his > > energies in exploring all the alternative paths. > > > > > > RUDRAKSHA MANTRA - SHABAR > > > > Sat Namo Adesh, Guruji Ko Adesh, Om Guruji, > > Mukhe Brahma Madhye Vishnu Ling Naam Maheshwar Sarvadeva Namaskaram > > Rudrakshaya Namoh Namah > > > > Use the above SHABAR Mantra for immediate effects. The Mantra can be > > recited before wearing Rudraksha / Rudraksha Mala and after removing > > the same. > > > > > > RUDRAKSHA MANTRA - THE COMPLETE SHABAR MANTRA > > -------------------------------- --- > > > > Sat Namo Adesh, Guruji Ko Adesh, Om Guruji, Mukhe Brahma Madhye > > Vishnu Ling Naam Maheshwar Sarvadeva Namaskaram Rudrakshaya Namoh > > Namah. Gaganmandal May Dhundhukara Pataal Niranjan Nirakaar. > > Nirakaar May Charna Paduka, Charna Paduka May Pindi, Pindi May > > Vasuk, Vasuk May Kasuk, Kasuk May Kurm, Kurm May Mari, Mari May > > NaagFani, Alash Purush Nay Bail Kay Seengh Par Rai Thaharahi. Dhiraj > > Dharm Ki Dhuni Jamai. Vahaan Par Rudraksha Sumer Parvat Par Jamaiye > > Usme Se Phootay 6 Dali, Ek Gaya Purv, Ek Gaya Dakshin, Ek Gaya > > Paschim, Ek Gaya Uttar, Ek Gaya Akaash, Ek Gaya Pataal, Usme Lagya > > Ek Mukhi Rudraksha, Shri Rudra Par Chadaiye. Shri Onkaar Adinath Ji > > Ko, Do Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Chandra Surya Ko, Teen Mukhi > > Rudraksha Chadaiye Teen Loko Ko, Chaar Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye > > Chaar Vedon Ko. Paanch Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Paanch Pandavo Ko, > > Chaah Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Shat Darshan Ko, Saat Mukhi Rudraksha > > Chadaiye Sapt Samudro Ko, Astha Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Astha Kuli > > Nago Ko, NavMukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye NavNaatho Ko, Dash Mukhi > > Rudraksha Chadaiye Dash Avtaaro Ko, Gyaara Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye > > Gyaara Rudra Ko, Dvaadash Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye (Surya) Baraah > > Panth Ko, Terah Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Tentees Koti Devtao Ko, > > Chaudhah Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Chaudhah Bhuwan (Chaudhah Ratno) > > Ko, Pandrah Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Pandrah Thithiyo Ko, Solah > > Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Solah Shringaar Ko, Satraah Mukhi Rudraksha > > Chadaiye Shri Sita Mata Ko, Attarah Bhaar Vanaspati Ko, Unnees Mukhi > > Rudraksha Chadaiye Alash Purush Ko, Bees Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye > > Vishnu Bhagwan Ko, Ikkis Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Ikkis Brahamaand > > Shiv Ko,Nir Mukhi Rudraksha Chadaiye Nirakaar Ko, Itna Rudraksha > > Mantra Sampurna Bhaya, Shri Nath Ji Kay Charan Kamal May Adesh, > > Adesh. > > > > ***** Sanskrit text for the above Mantra can be found at: > > http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/shabar_mantra.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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