Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Answer: Virtually ALL gems, with few exceptions, are heated. Except for natural pearl (cultured don't count), hessonite, emerald, diamond, cat's eye, and red coral (plus some semis, like red spinel, etc.), ALL gems are heated. If you want an unheated Venus gem then diamond is the best; even white sapphires are heated. And diamonds are readily available. Instead of heated ruby use red spinel, blue sapphire use Indicolite, yellow sapphire use heliodor, etc. A prohibition against heated gems is found only in ONE place in all Vedic literatures, viz., Sri Garuda Purana, chapter 72, where it is stated, in one verse, that gems should NOT be burned. Unfortunately there is almost no choice in todays market because certain types of gems are heated in the rough at or near the mines, even in Burma and Sri Lanka. AGT is located in the World's colored gem center, Bangkok, and this is a fact...99% of rubies and sapphires are heat treated. If all ruby and sapphire users were to check their gems with certified labs it would reveal that almost all fine quality rubies and sapphires are, in deed, heat enhanced. But for the fanatics who must have an unburned ruby or sapphire (rather than a natural uparatna), there is the 1% that are not treated. Usually poor quality gems are not heated because the flaws will explode. So untreated gems such as ruby and sapphire, in fine quality, are very rare and costly. Certain dealers claim to market unburned rubies and sapphires, and non-oiled (un-cracked) emeralds, including AGT. But ALWAYS insist on independant gem lab certification of non-treatment before you can be sure. http://www.agt-gems.com/agtport/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index Hope this is useful. Richard Shaw Brown, PG http://www.richardshawbrown.com ===== Richard Shaw-Brown, PG Designer & Gemologist http://www.richardshawbrown.com http://www.agt-gems.com http://www.hrisikesh.com http://www.hrisikesh.net http://www.themisunderstood.com http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com ______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Richard - Thank you for your statement on heated gems. I might add that it is getting very difficult to find red coral that has not been color enhanced, dyed or otherwise treated. best wishes, Alan >Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > > >RBSC : Heated Gems in Jyotish? >Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:58:41 +0100 (BST) > >Answer: Virtually ALL gems, with few exceptions, are heated. Except for >natural pearl (cultured don't count), hessonite, emerald, diamond, >cat's eye, and red coral (plus some semis, like red spinel, etc.), ALL >gems are heated. If you want an unheated Venus gem then diamond is the >best; even white sapphires are heated. And diamonds are readily >available. Instead of heated ruby use red spinel, blue sapphire use >Indicolite, yellow sapphire use heliodor, etc. > >A prohibition against heated gems is found only in ONE place in all >Vedic literatures, viz., Sri Garuda Purana, chapter 72, where it is >stated, in one verse, that gems should NOT be burned. > >Unfortunately there is almost no choice in todays market because >certain types of gems are heated in the rough at or near the mines, >even in Burma and Sri Lanka. > >AGT is located in the World's colored gem center, Bangkok, and this is >a fact...99% of rubies and sapphires are heat treated. If all ruby and >sapphire users were to check their gems with certified labs it would >reveal that almost all fine quality rubies and sapphires are, in deed, >heat enhanced. > >But for the fanatics who must have an unburned ruby or sapphire (rather >than a natural uparatna), there is the 1% that are not treated. Usually >poor quality gems are not heated because the flaws will explode. So >untreated gems such as ruby and sapphire, in fine quality, are very >rare and costly. Certain dealers claim to market unburned rubies and >sapphires, and non-oiled (un-cracked) emeralds, including AGT. But >ALWAYS insist on independant gem lab certification of non-treatment >before you can be sure. > >http://www.agt-gems.com/agtport/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index > >Hope this is useful. > >Richard Shaw Brown, PG >http://www.richardshawbrown.com > > >===== >Richard Shaw-Brown, PG >Designer & Gemologist >http://www.richardshawbrown.com >http://www.agt-gems.com >http://www.hrisikesh.com >http://www.hrisikesh.net >http://www.themisunderstood.com >http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com > >______________________ > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" >your friends today! Download Messenger Now >http://uk.messenger./download/index.html _______________ Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Thanks, Alan, Right! The old test for dyed coral is to rub it on white linen, the dye will be visable. A good place for very fine "natural" red coral is LuCoral Co, in Taiwan. But you better go and select the flawless pieces (top & bottom) by yourself, otherwise you'll get a mixed bag, quality wise. Another issue with Coral is legal. There is a semi-global ban on the sale of red coral. Even in Thailand selling red coral is against the law, so it is tricky. If they actually enforce the ban I may have to petition the King to make jyotish (medical) use of coral exempt here. And you may have to do something like that in the USA too. Perhaps as a unified group, the Planetary Gemologists Association, we can lobby... But today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday, so we'll tackle that if and when it pops up. Sukriya, Richard PS: Alan, when can you join the Planetary Gemologists Association? I'm no longer the PGA secretary. See http://wwwp-g-a.org/membership.html for a list of current members & patrons... SVAGATAM!!! --- Alan Scherr <source311 wrote: > Richard - Thank you for your statement on heated gems. I might add > that it > is getting very difficult to find red coral that has not been color > enhanced, dyed or otherwise treated. > > best wishes, > Alan ===== Richard Shaw-Brown, PG Designer & Gemologist http://www.richardshawbrown.com http://www.agt-gems.com http://www.hrisikesh.com http://www.hrisikesh.net http://www.themisunderstood.com http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com ______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Hi Richard, I have been looking around for gems for a while now, there are three gems that I am interested in purchasing, but I am reserved about mail oredering items from abroad, unless ofcourse I make trip and examine the gems myself before purchasing. The three gems I am interested in are yellow sapphire, white sapphire and green tourmailine, prices over here in the UK can be expensive and also as is well known all jewlers do not necessarily stock jyotish quality gems. So where does one go without breaking the bank? Thanks Rajinder Singh Gill Richard Shaw-Brown wrote: > Thanks, Alan, Right! > > The old test for dyed coral is to rub it on white linen, the dye will > be visable. A good place for very fine "natural" red coral is LuCoral > Co, in Taiwan. But you better go and select the flawless pieces (top & > bottom) by yourself, otherwise you'll get a mixed bag, quality wise. > Another issue with Coral is legal. There is a semi-global ban on the > sale of red coral. Even in Thailand selling red coral is against the > law, so it is tricky. If they actually enforce the ban I may have to > petition the King to make jyotish (medical) use of coral exempt here. > And you may have to do something like that in the USA too. Perhaps as a > unified group, the Planetary Gemologists Association, we can lobby... > > But today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday, so we'll tackle > that if and when it pops up. > > Sukriya, > Richard > > PS: Alan, when can you join the Planetary Gemologists Association? I'm > no longer the PGA secretary. See http://wwwp-g-a.org/membership.html > for a list of current members & patrons... SVAGATAM!!! > > --- Alan Scherr <source311 wrote: > Richard - Thank you > for your statement on heated gems. I might add > > that it > > is getting very difficult to find red coral that has not been color > > enhanced, dyed or otherwise treated. > > > > best wishes, > > Alan > > > > ===== > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG > Designer & Gemologist > http://www.richardshawbrown.com > http://www.agt-gems.com > http://www.hrisikesh.com > http://www.hrisikesh.net > http://www.themisunderstood.com > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com > > ______________________ > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html > > > To send an email to: > > > > > > Sponsor > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ojs85q/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1087740983/A=2197946/R=0/SIG=11elgumq7/*http://www.netflix.\ com/Default?mqso=60183367> > > > > ------ > Links > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Unsubscri\ be> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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