Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 (Sigh) Yes, the Christian fundies are overlooking a key admonition from their own holy book, "By their works shall ye know them." In other words, those who convert through intimidation or misrepresentation are NOT doing the work of God. K. , vijay trivedi <vijtrivedi> wrote: > Dear President, > > Here is i m sending one story/ article come across and found in one of the website..which is against the Hindu religion pl do not keep wrong impression about the same. and to me. I am no where connected with any one...this is just..as a Hindu ....followr...and this may be fact prevailing in the corner of the country. > > I am also sendng source of link for your purpose. > with regds > > dear friends, > just found something shocking worth sharing with u > all. read it below, the link is also given. the threat > of christian missionaries to hinduism is very real. in > 50 years the christian population in india has gone up > from 1.5% to about 4%!! their activities in disguise > of education, health and magic cures and money lending > are going on endlessly, which many of u may be > knowing. the ongoing Pray for India rally is the > biggest gathering of christians in india in mumbai. > WSF, recently organised in mumbai, also preached > christianity in many places. lets not fall prey to > those fundamentalist missionaries. jai hind. > atul. > > Pray, why this leap of faith? > NT Bureau > Chennai, Feb 4: > > For long they have said Hindu Gods were devils > and any worship of Them is a heathen practice. Now > Christian zealots have outdone themselves by taking a > giant leap of faith and claiming that the various > Vedic Sanskrit slogans were in praise of Jesus and not > Hindu Gods. > > Christian propaganda pamphlets and booklets in > circulation especially in and around Madurai district > also make the ludicrous suggestion that Swami > Vivekananda had asked the people to worship Jesus. > > The pamphlets, which have been put in > circulation by the Madurai-based Infant Jesus Hospital > (headed by one Rev Fr. Caleb), also fraudulently > invoke Bhagawat Gita slogans saying that they preach > against idol worship. > > The highly inflammatory but dubious pamphlets, > which the footsoldiers (primarily women) of Christian > expansionism have been delivering at doorstep after > doorstep in Southern districts, go as far as to decree > that 'people should not follow any other faith other > than Christianity'. > > Just sample some of the 'interpretations' in > the pamphlets: > > Om Sri Brahma Puthraya Nama reads as 'I > worship Jesus, who came to the world as God's son > (Yowan 3:16.17)'. > > Om Shri Dakshina Murthaya Nama is translated > as 'I worship Jesus who is sitting on the thigh of his > father (Yowan (1:18)'. > > Taking specific mantras from Sama Veda, the > Christian marketers say 'Om Sri Panchakaya Nama refers > to Jesus, the one with five wounds (panchakaya) Yowan > 20:25.27. Om Sri Ummathiya Nama is translated as 'I > hail one born to the holy spirit' (Mathew 1:18). > > Parajapathi is taken to be representing the > Christ and several quotes are given to suggest that > Hinduism had all along had been talking about the > 'Holy Saviour'. > > The pamphlets go the whole hog and reel out > several texts from the hoary Rig Veda, saying all of > them were meant for Christianity. > > The mantra from Brihat Aranyako Upanishad > (Asathoma sadhgamaya, Tamasoma Jyothirgamaya...) is > laboriously expanded and explained to mean that Jesus > is leading as the light of the world. And the > 'explanation' goes on to add: 'there is a word-to-word > answer in the bible to every prayer in the Upanishad'. > > > Bhagwat Gita is also not left alone. In a > seeming translation of a verse from Neethicharam, the > pamphlet says that 'those fools who worship statues > made up of stone, wood and metal would beget nothing > other than misery and would not be pardoned'. > > Of course, this is plain duplicitous > misinterpretation. But they have not stopped with > that. > > They go on to plain falsehoods. > > The pamphlets invoke Swami Vivekananda and say > that he wanted hundreds and thousands of Christian > religious workers to come to India so that the > preaching of Jesus could go to the hearts of all Hindu > people. > > Understandably the locals are highly offended > at the effrontery of the evangelists. Apart from the > farcical and facile reasonings in the hand-outs, the > locals say the fact they (evangelists) made bold to > deliver them in every household makes clear their > rabid fundamentalism. > > The brazen approach of the Christian preachers > is a major talking point in the Southern districts for > quite some time. They brook at no niceties. Anything > goes for them. The ways are unimportant to them. > > In going about their patently communal ways, > they have vitiated the general atmosphere in the > districts. > > The prayers (real ones) of the peace-loving > people to the authorities have had no effect so far. > > > http://www.newstodaynet.com/04feb/ld1.htm > THIS IS THE LINK TO THE ARTICLE. > > > India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Hello dear friend, Do you even know what you are talking about... it must be happening in Madurai, a small city and such other small places....from which the political parties in India are trying hard to gain some mileage...I have been to Churches, Masjids and temples and I don't find any difference....even when I pray... sometimes Mother Mary's face looms...she is so serene.... but there is one thing that I have observed and that is most of the churches in India are manned with ... the less said the better.. they are worthless and living lavishly out of donation money.. jamini karisprowl <karisprowl wrote: (Sigh) Yes, the Christian fundies are overlooking a key admonition from their own holy book, "By their works shall ye know them." In other words, those who convert through intimidation or misrepresentation are NOT doing the work of God. K. , vijay trivedi <vijtrivedi> wrote: > Dear President, > > Here is i m sending one story/ article come across and found in one of the website..which is against the Hindu religion pl do not keep wrong impression about the same. and to me. I am no where connected with any one...this is just..as a Hindu ....followr...and this may be fact prevailing in the corner of the country. > > I am also sendng source of link for your purpose. > with regds > > dear friends, > just found something shocking worth sharing with u > all. read it below, the link is also given. the threat > of christian missionaries to hinduism is very real. in > 50 years the christian population in india has gone up > from 1.5% to about 4%!! their activities in disguise > of education, health and magic cures and money lending > are going on endlessly, which many of u may be > knowing. the ongoing Pray for India rally is the > biggest gathering of christians in india in mumbai. > WSF, recently organised in mumbai, also preached > christianity in many places. lets not fall prey to > those fundamentalist missionaries. jai hind. > atul. > > Pray, why this leap of faith? > NT Bureau > Chennai, Feb 4: > > For long they have said Hindu Gods were devils > and any worship of Them is a heathen practice. Now > Christian zealots have outdone themselves by taking a > giant leap of faith and claiming that the various > Vedic Sanskrit slogans were in praise of Jesus and not > Hindu Gods. > > Christian propaganda pamphlets and booklets in > circulation especially in and around Madurai district > also make the ludicrous suggestion that Swami > Vivekananda had asked the people to worship Jesus. > > The pamphlets, which have been put in > circulation by the Madurai-based Infant Jesus Hospital > (headed by one Rev Fr. Caleb), also fraudulently > invoke Bhagawat Gita slogans saying that they preach > against idol worship. > > The highly inflammatory but dubious pamphlets, > which the footsoldiers (primarily women) of Christian > expansionism have been delivering at doorstep after > doorstep in Southern districts, go as far as to decree > that 'people should not follow any other faith other > than Christianity'. > > Just sample some of the 'interpretations' in > the pamphlets: > > Om Sri Brahma Puthraya Nama reads as 'I > worship Jesus, who came to the world as God's son > (Yowan 3:16.17)'. > > Om Shri Dakshina Murthaya Nama is translated > as 'I worship Jesus who is sitting on the thigh of his > father (Yowan (1:18)'. > > Taking specific mantras from Sama Veda, the > Christian marketers say 'Om Sri Panchakaya Nama refers > to Jesus, the one with five wounds (panchakaya) Yowan > 20:25.27. Om Sri Ummathiya Nama is translated as 'I > hail one born to the holy spirit' (Mathew 1:18). > > Parajapathi is taken to be representing the > Christ and several quotes are given to suggest that > Hinduism had all along had been talking about the > 'Holy Saviour'. > > The pamphlets go the whole hog and reel out > several texts from the hoary Rig Veda, saying all of > them were meant for Christianity. > > The mantra from Brihat Aranyako Upanishad > (Asathoma sadhgamaya, Tamasoma Jyothirgamaya...) is > laboriously expanded and explained to mean that Jesus > is leading as the light of the world. And the > 'explanation' goes on to add: 'there is a word-to-word > answer in the bible to every prayer in the Upanishad'. > > > Bhagwat Gita is also not left alone. In a > seeming translation of a verse from Neethicharam, the > pamphlet says that 'those fools who worship statues > made up of stone, wood and metal would beget nothing > other than misery and would not be pardoned'. > > Of course, this is plain duplicitous > misinterpretation. But they have not stopped with > that. > > They go on to plain falsehoods. > > The pamphlets invoke Swami Vivekananda and say > that he wanted hundreds and thousands of Christian > religious workers to come to India so that the > preaching of Jesus could go to the hearts of all Hindu > people. > > Understandably the locals are highly offended > at the effrontery of the evangelists. Apart from the > farcical and facile reasonings in the hand-outs, the > locals say the fact they (evangelists) made bold to > deliver them in every household makes clear their > rabid fundamentalism. > > The brazen approach of the Christian preachers > is a major talking point in the Southern districts for > quite some time. They brook at no niceties. Anything > goes for them. The ways are unimportant to them. > > In going about their patently communal ways, > they have vitiated the general atmosphere in the > districts. > > The prayers (real ones) of the peace-loving > people to the authorities have had no effect so far. > > > http://www.newstodaynet.com/04feb/ld1.htm > THIS IS THE LINK TO THE ARTICLE. > > > India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. > > To send an email to: / Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Good evening, this is a sad topic indeed. And its not only christian missionaries. I have lived near Trivandrum of and on for 8 years and I would like to add that in Kerala conversions to Islam are probably on a similar scale. Gulf money is flowing in and its shocking to see small low cast communities lacking basic facilities with huge new mosques. sincerely, christina On Feb 20, 2004, at 21:02, Jamini Padhi wrote: > Hello dear friend, > Do you even know what you are talking about... it must be happening > in Madurai, a small city and such other small places....from which the > political parties in India are trying hard to gain some mileage...I > have been to Churches, Masjids and temples and I don't find any > difference....even when I pray... sometimes Mother Mary's face > looms...she is so serene.... but there is one thing that I have > observed and that is most of the churches in India are manned with ... > the less said the better.. they are worthless and living lavishly out > of donation money.. > jamini > > karisprowl <karisprowl wrote: > > (Sigh) Yes, the Christian fundies are overlooking a key admonition > from their own > holy book, "By their works shall ye know them." > > In other words, those who convert through intimidation or > misrepresentation are NOT > doing the work of God. > > K. > > , vijay trivedi > <vijtrivedi> > wrote: > > Dear President, > > > > Here is i m sending one story/ article come across and found in one > of the > website..which is against the Hindu religion pl do not keep wrong > impression about > the same. and to me. I am no where connected with any one...this is > just..as a Hindu > ...followr...and this may be fact prevailing in the corner of the > country. > > > > I am also sendng source of link for your purpose. > > with regds > > > > dear friends, > > just found something shocking worth sharing with u > > all. read it below, the link is also given. the threat > > of christian missionaries to hinduism is very real. in > > 50 years the christian population in india has gone up > > from 1.5% to about 4%!! their activities in disguise > > of education, health and magic cures and money lending > > are going on endlessly, which many of u may be > > knowing. the ongoing Pray for India rally is the > > biggest gathering of christians in india in mumbai. > > WSF, recently organised in mumbai, also preached > > christianity in many places. lets not fall prey to > > those fundamentalist missionaries. jai hind. > > atul. > > > > Pray, why this leap of faith? > > NT Bureau > > Chennai, Feb 4: > > > > For long they have said Hindu Gods were devils > > and any worship of Them is a heathen practice. Now > > Christian zealots have outdone themselves by taking a > > giant leap of faith and claiming that the various > > Vedic Sanskrit slogans were in praise of Jesus and not > > Hindu Gods. > > > > Christian propaganda pamphlets and booklets in > > circulation especially in and around Madurai district > > also make the ludicrous suggestion that Swami > > Vivekananda had asked the people to worship Jesus. > > > > The pamphlets, which have been put in > > circulation by the Madurai-based Infant Jesus Hospital > > (headed by one Rev Fr. Caleb), also fraudulently > > invoke Bhagawat Gita slogans saying that they preach > > against idol worship. > > > > The highly inflammatory but dubious pamphlets, > > which the footsoldiers (primarily women) of Christian > > expansionism have been delivering at doorstep after > > doorstep in Southern districts, go as far as to decree > > that 'people should not follow any other faith other > > than Christianity'. > > > > Just sample some of the 'interpretations' in > > the pamphlets: > > > > Om Sri Brahma Puthraya Nama reads as 'I > > worship Jesus, who came to the world as God's son > > (Yowan 3:16.17)'. > > > > Om Shri Dakshina Murthaya Nama is translated > > as 'I worship Jesus who is sitting on the thigh of his > > father (Yowan (1:18)'. > > > > Taking specific mantras from Sama Veda, the > > Christian marketers say 'Om Sri Panchakaya Nama refers > > to Jesus, the one with five wounds (panchakaya) Yowan > > 20:25.27. Om Sri Ummathiya Nama is translated as 'I > > hail one born to the holy spirit' (Mathew 1:18). > > > > Parajapathi is taken to be representing the > > Christ and several quotes are given to suggest that > > Hinduism had all along had been talking about the > > 'Holy Saviour'. > > > > The pamphlets go the whole hog and reel out > > several texts from the hoary Rig Veda, saying all of > > them were meant for Christianity. > > > > The mantra from Brihat Aranyako Upanishad > > (Asathoma sadhgamaya, Tamasoma Jyothirgamaya...) is > > laboriously expanded and explained to mean that Jesus > > is leading as the light of the world. And the > > 'explanation' goes on to add: 'there is a word-to-word > > answer in the bible to every prayer in the Upanishad'. > > > > > > Bhagwat Gita is also not left alone. In a > > seeming translation of a verse from Neethicharam, the > > pamphlet says that 'those fools who worship statues > > made up of stone, wood and metal would beget nothing > > other than misery and would not be pardoned'. > > > > Of course, this is plain duplicitous > > misinterpretation. But they have not stopped with > > that. > > > > They go on to plain falsehoods. > > > > The pamphlets invoke Swami Vivekananda and say > > that he wanted hundreds and thousands of Christian > > religious workers to come to India so that the > > preaching of Jesus could go to the hearts of all Hindu > > people. > > > > Understandably the locals are highly offended > > at the effrontery of the evangelists. Apart from the > > farcical and facile reasonings in the hand-outs, the > > locals say the fact they (evangelists) made bold to > > deliver them in every household makes clear their > > rabid fundamentalism. > > > > The brazen approach of the Christian preachers > > is a major talking point in the Southern districts for > > quite some time. They brook at no niceties. Anything > > goes for them. The ways are unimportant to them. > > > > In going about their patently communal ways, > > they have vitiated the general atmosphere in the > > districts. > > > > The prayers (real ones) of the peace-loving > > people to the authorities have had no effect so far. > > > > > http://www.newstodaynet.com/04feb/ld1.htm > > THIS IS THE LINK TO THE ARTICLE. > > > > > > India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, > services, tools and > more. > > > > > > > > To send an email to: > > > > > > > > Links > > Monsoonhouse Int. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Hello All, I guess some of you may remember the Stein case in Orissa. He along with his children were locked inside their car and burnt alive by Dara Singh. He is roaming scot free today on bail thanks to BJP and their goons. Actually, I am also from Orissa but have travelled all over India on assignments. Our family is very well known in Orissa State. So I take the liberty of writing about Late Mr Stein; he was there with his wife for more than 20 years and he never converted anyone but instead tought and fed hundreds of children in the most poor area of Orissa. Why was he killed - political and extortion money - he used receive money in dollars which these goons wanted and they demanding more and more over the years. When Mr Stein refused to pay and went to the police he was burnt alive.. but why his two sons?? People like Dara Singh should be shot dead on sight. Now think why is Steve Waugh feeding and taking care of more than 400 kids of Calcutta. He has no such intentions of converting them to christianity, etc... It is all politically motivated and yes it is true that people convert to Islam or Christianity for work abroad which is a different thing altogether. JB christiane cameron <christianecameron wrote: Good evening, this is a sad topic indeed. And its not only christian missionaries. I have lived near Trivandrum of and on for 8 years and I would like to add that in Kerala conversions to Islam are probably on a similar scale. Gulf money is flowing in and its shocking to see small low cast communities lacking basic facilities with huge new mosques. sincerely, christina On Feb 20, 2004, at 21:02, Jamini Padhi wrote: > Hello dear friend, > Do you even know what you are talking about... it must be happening > in Madurai, a small city and such other small places....from which the > political parties in India are trying hard to gain some mileage...I > have been to Churches, Masjids and temples and I don't find any > difference....even when I pray... sometimes Mother Mary's face > looms...she is so serene.... but there is one thing that I have > observed and that is most of the churches in India are manned with ... > the less said the better.. they are worthless and living lavishly out > of donation money.. > jamini > > karisprowl <karisprowl wrote: > > (Sigh) Yes, the Christian fundies are overlooking a key admonition > from their own > holy book, "By their works shall ye know them." > > In other words, those who convert through intimidation or > misrepresentation are NOT > doing the work of God. > > K. > > , vijay trivedi > <vijtrivedi> > wrote: > > Dear President, > > > > Here is i m sending one story/ article come across and found in one > of the > website..which is against the Hindu religion pl do not keep wrong > impression about > the same. and to me. I am no where connected with any one...this is > just..as a Hindu > ...followr...and this may be fact prevailing in the corner of the > country. > > > > I am also sendng source of link for your purpose. > > with regds > > > > dear friends, > > just found something shocking worth sharing with u > > all. read it below, the link is also given. the threat > > of christian missionaries to hinduism is very real. in > > 50 years the christian population in india has gone up > > from 1.5% to about 4%!! their activities in disguise > > of education, health and magic cures and money lending > > are going on endlessly, which many of u may be > > knowing. the ongoing Pray for India rally is the > > biggest gathering of christians in india in mumbai. > > WSF, recently organised in mumbai, also preached > > christianity in many places. lets not fall prey to > > those fundamentalist missionaries. jai hind. > > atul. > > > > Pray, why this leap of faith? > > NT Bureau > > Chennai, Feb 4: > > > > For long they have said Hindu Gods were devils > > and any worship of Them is a heathen practice. Now > > Christian zealots have outdone themselves by taking a > > giant leap of faith and claiming that the various > > Vedic Sanskrit slogans were in praise of Jesus and not > > Hindu Gods. > > > > Christian propaganda pamphlets and booklets in > > circulation especially in and around Madurai district > > also make the ludicrous suggestion that Swami > > Vivekananda had asked the people to worship Jesus. > > > > The pamphlets, which have been put in > > circulation by the Madurai-based Infant Jesus Hospital > > (headed by one Rev Fr. Caleb), also fraudulently > > invoke Bhagawat Gita slogans saying that they preach > > against idol worship. > > > > The highly inflammatory but dubious pamphlets, > > which the footsoldiers (primarily women) of Christian > > expansionism have been delivering at doorstep after > > doorstep in Southern districts, go as far as to decree > > that 'people should not follow any other faith other > > than Christianity'. > > > > Just sample some of the 'interpretations' in > > the pamphlets: > > > > Om Sri Brahma Puthraya Nama reads as 'I > > worship Jesus, who came to the world as God's son > > (Yowan 3:16.17)'. > > > > Om Shri Dakshina Murthaya Nama is translated > > as 'I worship Jesus who is sitting on the thigh of his > > father (Yowan (1:18)'. > > > > Taking specific mantras from Sama Veda, the > > Christian marketers say 'Om Sri Panchakaya Nama refers > > to Jesus, the one with five wounds (panchakaya) Yowan > > 20:25.27. Om Sri Ummathiya Nama is translated as 'I > > hail one born to the holy spirit' (Mathew 1:18). > > > > Parajapathi is taken to be representing the > > Christ and several quotes are given to suggest that > > Hinduism had all along had been talking about the > > 'Holy Saviour'. > > > > The pamphlets go the whole hog and reel out > > several texts from the hoary Rig Veda, saying all of > > them were meant for Christianity. > > > > The mantra from Brihat Aranyako Upanishad > > (Asathoma sadhgamaya, Tamasoma Jyothirgamaya...) is > > laboriously expanded and explained to mean that Jesus > > is leading as the light of the world. And the > > 'explanation' goes on to add: 'there is a word-to-word > > answer in the bible to every prayer in the Upanishad'. > > > > > > Bhagwat Gita is also not left alone. In a > > seeming translation of a verse from Neethicharam, the > > pamphlet says that 'those fools who worship statues > > made up of stone, wood and metal would beget nothing > > other than misery and would not be pardoned'. > > > > Of course, this is plain duplicitous > > misinterpretation. But they have not stopped with > > that. > > > > They go on to plain falsehoods. > > > > The pamphlets invoke Swami Vivekananda and say > > that he wanted hundreds and thousands of Christian > > religious workers to come to India so that the > > preaching of Jesus could go to the hearts of all Hindu > > people. > > > > Understandably the locals are highly offended > > at the effrontery of the evangelists. Apart from the > > farcical and facile reasonings in the hand-outs, the > > locals say the fact they (evangelists) made bold to > > deliver them in every household makes clear their > > rabid fundamentalism. > > > > The brazen approach of the Christian preachers > > is a major talking point in the Southern districts for > > quite some time. They brook at no niceties. Anything > > goes for them. The ways are unimportant to them. > > > > In going about their patently communal ways, > > they have vitiated the general atmosphere in the > > districts. > > > > The prayers (real ones) of the peace-loving > > people to the authorities have had no effect so far. > > > > > http://www.newstodaynet.com/04feb/ld1.htm > > THIS IS THE LINK TO THE ARTICLE. > > > > > > India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, > services, tools and > more. > > > > > > > > To send an email to: > > > > > > > > Links > > Monsoonhouse Int. 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