Rnanubandhana/ Jamini

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Namaste Jamini,

 

Nice to read of your personal experiences, warm thanks for sharing!

 

Just my very humble two cents' worth:

 

(But also with utmost respect for other friends who are vegetarian

or vegan; all are one and the same

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When a Guruji takes on a chela, he also takes on the chelas' karmas

to a certain degree or absolves all if he is so inclined; all

depends on the individual Guruji and the karma + rnanubandhana

between the guru and the chela. As you mentioned "Gurudev of Mantra

Tantra Yantra Vigyan", I'm humbly assuming your Gurudev may also

have meant his lessons May include "the difference between aversion

and non-aversion which is one of the ultimate Tantras". May I

reiterate that I'm only humbly assuming.. Though I should not assume

at all, so please pardon my taking the liberty.

 

No I don't feel your Gurudev meant such questions are silly to ask.

After all, He is your "Dispeller of Darkness or "Ignorance" as some

would term it along "subtle" lines. By telling you to leave the

karma to him, he was bestowing upon you His Graciousness, Largesse

of Spirit, Generosity of Spirit, Magnanimousity of His Divine

Darshan, etc. Wow, you must be very well worth it..! Sincerely

Jamini, I mean this. Not all gurujis would take on everything and

actually say words to that effect. A guru's words or speech are

Mantra too.

 

You're right about the food item remaining in the mind once it is

conceived in an inkling of thought and further yearnings would only

result from this. It is like going against the flow of nature, and

also "inner nature" if we try to stop someone from eating what

they "need" to eat, whether for reasons of religious observance,

medical ailments, etc. It is moderation in consumption that is

essential in some cases. When the "river" runs dry one day

naturally, there will no longer be yearnings for certain foods.

 

Very much agree that it is not a good practice to convert others or

coerce them against their natural wills, i.e. "can't force

vegetarians to eat non-veg.etc."

 

We have another thing in common here in regards a balanced diet,

whether vegie or non-vegie. A non-vegie person can also be as pious

as a strict vegie person and a Vegan. Vegie or otherwise, are all

different forms of the Divine so to speak. When we say "Namaste",

we "greet the Divine in You" or whoever is being addressed. This is

the angle from which I'm coming Everything about a person in

samsara is irrelevant, except the Divine within Him/Her.

 

At the same time, whenever some types of sadhaks begin certain

sadhanas like observing silence and fasting for example, or when

making a vow to a particular deity in penance for some reason or

other, vegie and vegan foods are consumed during these times. When

fasting, no food at all of course.

 

Neither do I believe in the neccessity for remorse as maybe from an

Aghori point of view, when one is born to eat animals, then one has

a rnanubandhana with the animal/s that he/she eats. Past karmic

bonds, ties, debts, etc.etc. until one or the other eradicates it

and releases himself/herself from manifested existence of going over

the same cat and mouse games (metaphorically speaking). Or one or

both gets reborn over and over again to play out all the leela and

maya incurred until God decides to intervene The wonderful Son

of Shiva, the Lord who is Keeper of Akashic Records is benevolent

but makes everyone mull through the mileages before Ganeshaya gives

brownie points. (Golly, I've got a long way to pull through yet...)

 

"Khumbh Mela"...... Ommmmm

 

"Via Shirdi"....... Ommmmm

 

******Jai Maha-Deva-Shree "Sai Baba of Shirdi"...! Ommmmm.....

******

 

Cackles....! Very good point about the spoons and utensils for

preparing, cooking and serving food Agree absolutely regarding

your views about japa and Tratak. Also in resonance with the fact

that plants also cry out when they are cut, chopped or pulled from

the "soil" (Mother Earth, their "home") etc. Again, Rnanubandhana

comes into this... i.e. between the vegie person and the plant or

plants. You're not wrong about many medicines being animal

derivatives. Even at "plant derivative", it is a by-product of a

thing, the plant, that was once a living and breathing "entity" in

its own right. All is of God.

 

Fully understand and appreciate your sharing of the Special Person

you know who is 27-28 years old who has Siddhis. I know of one such

person in this age group living in Northern India who is the most

delightful, loving and humble person; one cannot help but see both

Mother and Father in him, another rare but enlightened soul young in

physical age but get within his sights and kapow...! the darshan is

unmistakable. And like many enlightened souls, he keeps a very low

profile.

 

"Gagangiri Maharaj (Khopoli) is around 250, Kalki Maharaj (Hadapsar,

Pune) is around 200, Lahiri Maharaj in the jungles of West Bengal is

350+... ".............

 

************Jai and Ommms... Their Auspicious Names brings

immediately Their Magnificent Darshans right to us, thank you Jamini

and bless you a 1000-fold. **********

 

So sorry to hear you had relapse of typhoid, it must've been very

difficult and I empathize sincerely. Hope you have since been on

the mend and never had to look back. Bet your baby son would be

proud of his dad and vice versa! How is your boy?

 

You must have done some very great things in the Past to reap

rewards of meeting wonderful people like the guy at the hospital,

who in Feb. went to see your infant son as well. But then, it takes

wonderful people to meet other wonderful folks.

 

Btw, back to rudraksha, it is also Rnanubandhana that brings an

individual into contact with Rudraksha. It is often said that holy

rudraksha find their own homes, not the other way round (to borrow a

verse or two from Shree DharmaDevji and Sis Kantiji).

 

Om Namah Shivaya

Auspicious blessings

Sy

 

, Jamini Padhi

<jamini_padhi> wrote:

 

> Namaste syzenithji,

> As you have requested others to chip in with their experiences I

would like to mention that when I had asked my Gurudev of Mantra

Tantra Yantra Vigyan about food / drink, etc. during any Sadhana he

had said "go on...leave the karma to me..".

 

So what he basically meant is that such questions are stupid to ask.

 

If someone wants to eat non-veg don't stop him/her because the food

item will remain in the mind and the person will develop more thirts

for the food.

 

On the other hand one can't force vegetarians to eat non-veg, etc.

 

In my personal experience I have found that eating balanced diet is

the best whether it is veg or non-veg and keep my mind/conciense

free so that I can concentrate on what ever I posses eg. rudraksha

mala and mentally chant "Om Namah Shivaya".

 

So finally, I believe that there should be no remorse...

 

what happens when we eat at Hotels? I was returning from Kumbh Mela

via Shirdi

 

and had not eaten for more than a day. I saw a hotel and stopped.

As the hotel was

veg+non-veg my wife asked for water only and no food. I told her if

she could take water then why not some food as the kitchen there was

filled with veg and non-veg items and perhaps one spoon was being

used for serving; then what about the utensils, they are not washed

with ganga jal!

 

We ate what ever looked good including non-veg. There is no need for

me to say that we are all children of God; he is perfect in all

respects unlike us so it is natural for the Great Ones to forgive us

mortals and guide us one concentrating on HIM/HER alone.

 

Mentally we should be pure that can't be achieved by even taking

bath 10 times a day but by japa - it develops concentration and

leads us towards the state of what we generally call "Tratak".

 

Almost all the medicines that we take are animal derivatives even

plants have life and they cry when they are uprooted or chopped!!

 

This reminds me of one great person I always depend on when things

seem to be out of control. He is hardly 27-28 yrs old but

> has powers like Tratak, Bhraman, etc. He seems to be all knowing

even telephonically so the first time he meets anyone he asks for

his/her family diety and next step is solution and in a minute

everything is over. He has developed himself through penances with

Gurus who are (would anyone believe) in their second or third

century of life... if I name them you will know it is true... eg.

Gagangiri Maharaj (Khopoli) is around 250, Kalki Maharaj (Hadapsar,

Pune) is around 200, Lahiri Maharaj in the jungles of West Bengal is

350+...

 

Lastly, I have recently recovered from relapse of typhoid and

obviously I look weak as I am a regular with the gym.. happened to

meet this guy and he was advising me to eat among all egg, chicken,

etc. though he knew I had the rudraksha mala around my neck...as the

last time (around Feb) he had come to see my infant son who was in

hospital and from a distance told me to remove whatever I was

wearing. I was testing a diamond and the same was around my neck...

 

> Om Namah Shivaya

> Jamini