Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always have the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different effects? The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with the trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different blessing effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like Ganesha deities? Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the ancient scriptures... Thanks, Ole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects. The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the holders of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and Guru Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them. - alstrup Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always have the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different effects? The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with the trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different blessing effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like Ganesha deities? Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the ancient scriptures... Thanks, Ole Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Thanks for those insights... What are Garbh Gauris? Thanks, Ole , "mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects. The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the holders of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and Guru Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them. > > > - > alstrup > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always have > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different effects? > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with the > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different blessing > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like > Ganesha deities? > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the > ancient scriptures... > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than the other. Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a factor. Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is always forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars and pundits of the East. The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads. Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars. In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old, rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last trip. With many things there are great differences between the unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line. Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these, while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting. Bom Mahadev! - alstrup Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis Thanks for those insights... What are Garbh Gauris? Thanks, Ole , "mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects. The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the holders of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and Guru Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them. > > > - > alstrup > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always have > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different effects? > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with the > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different blessing > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like > Ganesha deities? > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the > ancient scriptures... > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Interesting message. I disagree a bit with your point that Indians tend to favor scripture over living traditions. Anyone who has grown up in India over 30 years old and exposed to traditional culture will know that theory complements experiential learning. That is the whole point of the guru parampara tradition. Otherwise what would be the need of teachers as the literary output of the Indian civilization in the past 2000 odd years is enormous and if you didn't need teachers you could just become an expert by reading books. I agree however that this is a major problem with some Western Academicians and some Indian scholars of the present day but this is a problem all over the world where traditional knowledge is in danger of dying. There is however a minor revival among the more discriminating about traditional scholarship (which has always been tightly integrated with practice both religious and secular)and its value. Also the naga babas are not by any means representative of mainstream hinduism although i have no doubt that they know more about Rudrakshas than just about anybody else. On a personal note, have you been to the rudraksha growing areas in Nepal? Peace Suraj , "mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than the other. > > Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a factor. > > Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is always forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars and pundits of the East. > > The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads. Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars. > > In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old, rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last trip. With many things there are great differences between the unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line. > > Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these, while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting. > > Bom Mahadev! > - > alstrup > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM > Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > Thanks for those insights... > > What are Garbh Gauris? > > Thanks, > Ole > > , "mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects. > The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on > them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary > to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the holders > of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and Guru > Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them. > > > > > > - > > alstrup > > > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM > > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > > > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always > have > > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different > effects? > > > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with > the > > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different > blessing > > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like > > Ganesha deities? > > > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? > > > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the > > ancient scriptures... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Hi, I never said "Indians" I said "uninitiated Indian scholars and pundits". I would never group the entire Indian population in that statement, nor even the majority for the reasons you have stated. Interactions with the local Babas are part of the culture and thus the living tradition stays alive. I have not been to Nepal yet, but the Baba I mentioned offered to give me access to the Nagas growing area there. As far as Nagas representing mainstream Hinduism, there truly is NO such thing as Hinduism in reality. This a a Western academic construct created to group the entire, extremely diverse religions of the people living in Bharat (India) under one "Name" and thus make it easy to categorize them as Western academia always does. Then they can easily take license to represent those people and their religious ideals/ideas, which is what Western Academia always does. Juna Akhara is the largest and oldest Akhara and within Juna Akhara, the Nagas are the oldest established lineages. I have spent time with others but only the Shaivite sadhus and possibly the Shakta Sadhus (mostly of Eastern India) would maintain the knowledge of the Rudraksha, with a possible very rare exception amongst the Vaishnav Lineages, who favor Tulsi Wood instead. Amongst the Shavaites, I don't think there would be great argument that the Nagas are King. Bottom line that I have noticed is the merchants selling rudraksha say very different things from the Sadhus knowledgeable in this area. I didn't even find one amongst all the shops I visited in Haridwar and Rishikesh that knew that counting mukhis on Gauri Shankars was valid, not to mention desireable. I visited every shop there was in those places on my first 2 trips and then revisited the best on my last 2. I do like and own true 14 face non Gauri Shankars as well as 15, 16, 17 Gauri Shankars and so many others. Jai Maa, Surya - surajraghavan2002 Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM RBSC : Re: Ganesha Mukhis Interesting message. I disagree a bit with your point that Indians tend to favor scripture over living traditions. Anyone who has grown up in India over 30 years old and exposed to traditional culture will know that theory complements experiential learning. That is the whole point of the guru parampara tradition. Otherwise what would be the need of teachers as the literary output of the Indian civilization in the past 2000 odd years is enormous and if you didn't need teachers you could just become an expert by reading books. I agree however that this is a major problem with some Western Academicians and some Indian scholars of the present day but this is a problem all over the world where traditional knowledge is in danger of dying. There is however a minor revival among the more discriminating about traditional scholarship (which has always been tightly integrated with practice both religious and secular)and its value. Also the naga babas are not by any means representative of mainstream hinduism although i have no doubt that they know more about Rudrakshas than just about anybody else. On a personal note, have you been to the rudraksha growing areas in Nepal? Peace Suraj , "mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than the other. > > Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a factor. > > Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is always forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars and pundits of the East. > > The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads. Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars. > > In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old, rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last trip. With many things there are great differences between the unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line. > > Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these, while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting. > > Bom Mahadev! > - > alstrup > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM > Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > Thanks for those insights... > > What are Garbh Gauris? > > Thanks, > Ole > > , "mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects. > The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on > them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary > to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the holders > of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and Guru > Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them. > > > > > > - > > alstrup > > > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM > > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > > > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always > have > > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different > effects? > > > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with > the > > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different > blessing > > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like > > Ganesha deities? > > > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? > > > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the > > ancient scriptures... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 I wish some religious departments at universities would have this message plastered on their entrance:-) just to remind themselves of the fact that there is no one take on Hinduism. I'd be interested in your understanding of Shaivaite sadhus take on Rudrakshas, if and when you have time. Enjoyed your post. Thanks! > As far as Nagas representing mainstream Hinduism, there truly is NO such thing as Hinduism in reality. This a a Western academic construct created to group the entire, extremely diverse religions of the people living in Bharat (India) under one "Name" and thus make it easy to categorize them as Western academia always does. Then they can easily take license to represent those people and their religious ideals/ideas, which is what Western Academia always does. > > Juna Akhara is the largest and oldest Akhara and within Juna Akhara, the Nagas are the oldest established lineages. I have spent time with others but only the Shaivite sadhus and possibly the Shakta Sadhus (mostly of Eastern India) would maintain the knowledge of the Rudraksha, with a possible very rare exception amongst the Vaishnav Lineages, who favor Tulsi Wood instead. Amongst the Shavaites, I don't think there would be great argument that the Nagas are King. > > Bottom line that I have noticed is the merchants selling rudraksha say very different things from the Sadhus knowledgeable in this area. I didn't even find one amongst all the shops I visited in Haridwar and Rishikesh that knew that counting mukhis on Gauri Shankars was valid, not to mention desireable. I visited every shop there was in those places on my first 2 trips and then revisited the best on my last 2. > > I do like and own true 14 face non Gauri Shankars as well as 15, 16, 17 Gauri Shankars and so many others. > > Jai Maa, > > Surya > - > surajraghavan2002 > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM > RBSC : Re: Ganesha Mukhis > > > Interesting message. I disagree a bit with your point that Indians > tend to favor scripture over living traditions. Anyone who has grown > up in India over 30 years old and exposed to traditional culture will > know that theory complements experiential learning. That is the whole > point of the guru parampara tradition. Otherwise what would be the > need of teachers as the literary output of the Indian civilization in > the past 2000 odd years is enormous and if you didn't need teachers > you could just become an expert by reading books. I agree however > that this is a major problem with some Western Academicians and some > Indian scholars of the present day but this is a problem all over the > world where traditional knowledge is in danger of dying. > There is however a minor revival among the more discriminating about > traditional scholarship (which has always been tightly integrated > with practice both religious and secular)and its value. Also the naga > babas are not by any means representative of mainstream hinduism > although i have no doubt that they know more about Rudrakshas than > just about anybody else. > On a personal note, have you been to the rudraksha growing areas in > Nepal? > Peace > Suraj > > , "mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than > the other. > > > > Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious > reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a > factor. > > > > Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral > traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those > traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is always > forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars and > pundits of the East. > > > > The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads. > Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars. > > > > In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher > mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old, > rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last > trip. With many things there are great differences between the > unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder > traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first > place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line. > > > > Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these, > while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must > be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of > additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting. > > > > Bom Mahadev! > > - > > alstrup > > > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM > > Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > > > > Thanks for those insights... > > > > What are Garbh Gauris? > > > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > > , "mahamuni" > > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different > effects. > > The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis > on > > them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, > contrary > > to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the > holders > > of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and > Guru > > Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them. > > > > > > > > > - > > > alstrup > > > > > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM > > > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > > > > > > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads > always > > have > > > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different > > effects? > > > > > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with > > the > > > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different > > blessing > > > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, > like > > > Ganesha deities? > > > > > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? > > > > > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in > the > > > ancient scriptures... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 There is NO Hinduism, just Sanatan Dharma. As far as my understanding of Shaivite Sadhus' take on Rudraksha, what do you mean or refer to exactly? OM Namo Narayan! - surajraghavan2002 Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:28 PM RBSC : Re: Ganesha Mukhis I wish some religious departments at universities would have this message plastered on their entrance:-) just to remind themselves of the fact that there is no one take on Hinduism. I'd be interested in your understanding of Shaivaite sadhus take on Rudrakshas, if and when you have time. Enjoyed your post. Thanks! > As far as Nagas representing mainstream Hinduism, there truly is NO such thing as Hinduism in reality. This a a Western academic construct created to group the entire, extremely diverse religions of the people living in Bharat (India) under one "Name" and thus make it easy to categorize them as Western academia always does. Then they can easily take license to represent those people and their religious ideals/ideas, which is what Western Academia always does. > > Juna Akhara is the largest and oldest Akhara and within Juna Akhara, the Nagas are the oldest established lineages. I have spent time with others but only the Shaivite sadhus and possibly the Shakta Sadhus (mostly of Eastern India) would maintain the knowledge of the Rudraksha, with a possible very rare exception amongst the Vaishnav Lineages, who favor Tulsi Wood instead. Amongst the Shavaites, I don't think there would be great argument that the Nagas are King. > > Bottom line that I have noticed is the merchants selling rudraksha say very different things from the Sadhus knowledgeable in this area. I didn't even find one amongst all the shops I visited in Haridwar and Rishikesh that knew that counting mukhis on Gauri Shankars was valid, not to mention desireable. I visited every shop there was in those places on my first 2 trips and then revisited the best on my last 2. > > I do like and own true 14 face non Gauri Shankars as well as 15, 16, 17 Gauri Shankars and so many others. > > Jai Maa, > > Surya > - > surajraghavan2002 > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM > RBSC : Re: Ganesha Mukhis > > > Interesting message. I disagree a bit with your point that Indians > tend to favor scripture over living traditions. Anyone who has grown > up in India over 30 years old and exposed to traditional culture will > know that theory complements experiential learning. That is the whole > point of the guru parampara tradition. Otherwise what would be the > need of teachers as the literary output of the Indian civilization in > the past 2000 odd years is enormous and if you didn't need teachers > you could just become an expert by reading books. I agree however > that this is a major problem with some Western Academicians and some > Indian scholars of the present day but this is a problem all over the > world where traditional knowledge is in danger of dying. > There is however a minor revival among the more discriminating about > traditional scholarship (which has always been tightly integrated > with practice both religious and secular)and its value. Also the naga > babas are not by any means representative of mainstream hinduism > although i have no doubt that they know more about Rudrakshas than > just about anybody else. > On a personal note, have you been to the rudraksha growing areas in > Nepal? > Peace > Suraj > > , "mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than > the other. > > > > Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious > reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a > factor. > > > > Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral > traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those > traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is always > forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars and > pundits of the East. > > > > The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads. > Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars. > > > > In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher > mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old, > rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last > trip. With many things there are great differences between the > unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder > traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first > place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line. > > > > Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these, > while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must > be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of > additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting. > > > > Bom Mahadev! > > - > > alstrup > > > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM > > Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > > > > Thanks for those insights... > > > > What are Garbh Gauris? > > > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > > , "mahamuni" > > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different > effects. > > The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis > on > > them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, > contrary > > to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the > holders > > of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and > Guru > > Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them. > > > > > > > > > - > > > alstrup > > > > > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM > > > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > > > > > > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads > always > > have > > > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different > > effects? > > > > > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with > > the > > > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different > > blessing > > > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, > like > > > Ganesha deities? > > > > > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? > > > > > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in > the > > > ancient scriptures... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Thanks so much for this wealth of inside information! Truly Great! , "mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than the other. > > Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a factor. > > Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is always forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars and pundits of the East. > > The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads. Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars. > > In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old, rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last trip. With many things there are great differences between the unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line. > > Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these, while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting. > > Bom Mahadev! > - > alstrup > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM > Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > Thanks for those insights... > > What are Garbh Gauris? > > Thanks, > Ole > > , "mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects. > The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on > them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary > to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the holders > of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and Guru > Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them. > > > > > > - > > alstrup > > > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM > > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis > > > > > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always > have > > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different > effects? > > > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with > the > > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different > blessing > > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like > > Ganesha deities? > > > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures? > > > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the > > ancient scriptures... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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