Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Hi. I could be mistaken, but I had thought that according to the Vedas, milk was considered a sattvic food. I know it is recommended in different ayurvedic healing fomulas. Kanti In a message dated 4/21/2003 1:02:22 PM Central Daylight Time, bal_ki writes: > Hi all, I had a debate with my cousin regaring having vegan diet and I was > impressing upon him about the goodness of the vegan diet then he caught me > on drinking milk . He said it is an extract from an animal and hence it > should be considered as non vegetarian. My question is, if milk is > considered as non-vegetarian then why it is given to most of the deities as > offerings .... Aum NamaShivaya Shivaya Nama AUM Bala. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Hi all, I had a debate with my cousin regaring having vegan diet and I was impressing upon him about the goodness of the vegan diet then he caught me on drinking milk . He said it is an extract from an animal and hence it should be considered as non vegetarian. My question is, if milk is considered as non-vegetarian then why it is given to most of the deities as offerings .... Aum NamaShivaya Shivaya Nama AUM Bala. ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Respected Syji Yes any of the Beads 19 Mukhi and more are extremely rare. Have not researched information regarding the 23 Mukhi Rudraksa and 25 Mukhi Rudraksa however Miss Neeta will have information on these Aum NamaSivaya Sivaya Nama Aum Dhanyavaad cha Pranams Mitra DharmaDev Syzenith <syzenith <> Monday, April 21, 2003 2:45 AM Re: 21 Mukhi Rudraksha Namaste Shri Dharma Devaji, Salutations Sincere thanks for responding and telling that 21 mukhi is Lord Kubera Rudraksha and other details. I shall contact Miss Neeta and ask about it. It is interesting to hear about the 23 and 25 mukhi Rudrakshas. I would imagine these are costly since they're very rare, thus extremely valuable. What are the deities for these 2 high mukhi rudraksha? The information that I have, only goes to 19 mukhi Lord Narayana. Thanks again. Om Namah Shivaya, Sy , "ShiningLotus" <shininglotus@c...> wrote: > Dear Syji > > Namaskar My Friend > > There is one 21 Mukhi Lord Kubera Rudraksa with Rudra Centre India and this is at the New Delhi Exhibition that is in progress at this time > > Miss Neeta will also be looking at a 23 Mukhi Rudraksa and a 25 Mukhi Rudraksa this next week > > Please contact Miss Neeta and she can tell you more and if the 21 Mukhi Rudraksa is still available > > Thanks and Take Care My Friend > > DharmaDev To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Such debates are the dominance of the conceptual mind over actual experience. Eat whatever delivers you the most balance. There is no one diet that fits everyone. regards, alan >thunderheals > > >Re: Drinking milk >Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:46:48 EDT > >Hi. > >I could be mistaken, but I had thought that according to the Vedas, milk >was >considered a sattvic food. I know it is recommended in different ayurvedic >healing fomulas. >Kanti > >In a message dated 4/21/2003 1:02:22 PM Central Daylight Time, >bal_ki writes: > > > Hi all, I had a debate with my cousin regaring having vegan diet and I >was > > impressing upon him about the goodness of the vegan diet then he caught >me > > on drinking milk . He said it is an extract from an animal and hence >it > > should be considered as non vegetarian. My question is, if milk is > > considered as non-vegetarian then why it is given to most of the deities >as > > offerings .... Aum NamaShivaya Shivaya Nama AUM Bala. > > > > > > > _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Namaste and thank you for the wonderful information that you have shared with us :-) In a message dated 4/21/2003 5:41:52 PM Central Daylight Time, suraj_raghavan writes: > Dear Listmembers: > Since my interests are in Ayurveda, i thought i'd butt in and offer > my two (hundred:-)) cents. In seeking to understand dietetics of a > culture or indeed anything else, i find it best to avoid > reductionisms. Analysing the virtues of milk according to Ayurveda in > isolation is a little bit like saying "Inuits living in polar regions > eat a lot of meat some of it even raw and don't appear to be > unhealthy or overweight, so seal meat must be good for me". The point > is that the Inuit diet is perfectly suited for the environment they > live in. > Dietetics in Ayurveda is a very complex subject that requires a lot > of study before one can make generalisations. It is not based on whim > and like other Indian shastras is empirical in nature. Thus even > though the number of medicinal plants in India that are known and > documented is close to 7200, only about 1800 species are in > the "official" Ayurvedic materia medica and there is a pretty good > reason for this. Every plant and food that's native or has been > introduced to India has been rigourously analysed according to > Ayurvedic tenets and only when the theory is borne out by empirical > evidence has it been included as officinal. So what does all this > have to do with milk? > Milk and dairy products hold a very special place in Indian culture. > Btw, Ayurvedic dietetics has analysed milk of nearly every species > you can think of but let's just stick to cows milk. Ayurveda does > consider it sattvic and especially good for debilitating conditions. > It is considered a perfect food and apparently can be consumed raw > within approximately 150 minutes from the time of milking. Otherwise > it needs to be drunk warm. But the thing to remember is all the > dietary rules which go along with this like for instance eating foods > that are in season and raised as close to where you live as possible. > Also it must be remembered that what passes for milk today (in India > and the US; i know because i live on both continents) is vastly > diiferent from what it was say even a hundred years ago. I don't know > of a single Ayurvedic book published before the mid 20th century that > says meat is bad. on the contrary, there are elaborate descriptions > on meat of every kind you can possibly imagine and when to eat what. > Also MamsarasA (soup of meat would be an approximate translation) is > recommended especially for debilitating conditions. > Vegetarianism in the Indian context has cultural, ethical, historical > and political connotations to it. Of course, for people who are > spiritually inclined, foods like garlic, meat may pose a hindrance as > they are tamasaic and rajasaic but Ayurveda never says that they are > unhealthy or bad for you. Garlic in fact is considered a rasayana if > taken appropriately and LasunaYoga is mentioned in great detail in > the Kashyapa Samhita. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Dear Listmembers: Since my interests are in Ayurveda, i thought i'd butt in and offer my two (hundred:-)) cents. In seeking to understand dietetics of a culture or indeed anything else, i find it best to avoid reductionisms. Analysing the virtues of milk according to Ayurveda in isolation is a little bit like saying "Inuits living in polar regions eat a lot of meat some of it even raw and don't appear to be unhealthy or overweight, so seal meat must be good for me". The point is that the Inuit diet is perfectly suited for the environment they live in. Dietetics in Ayurveda is a very complex subject that requires a lot of study before one can make generalisations. It is not based on whim and like other Indian shastras is empirical in nature. Thus even though the number of medicinal plants in India that are known and documented is close to 7200, only about 1800 species are in the "official" Ayurvedic materia medica and there is a pretty good reason for this. Every plant and food that's native or has been introduced to India has been rigourously analysed according to Ayurvedic tenets and only when the theory is borne out by empirical evidence has it been included as officinal. So what does all this have to do with milk? Milk and dairy products hold a very special place in Indian culture. Btw, Ayurvedic dietetics has analysed milk of nearly every species you can think of but let's just stick to cows milk. Ayurveda does consider it sattvic and especially good for debilitating conditions. It is considered a perfect food and apparently can be consumed raw within approximately 150 minutes from the time of milking. Otherwise it needs to be drunk warm. But the thing to remember is all the dietary rules which go along with this like for instance eating foods that are in season and raised as close to where you live as possible. Also it must be remembered that what passes for milk today (in India and the US; i know because i live on both continents) is vastly diiferent from what it was say even a hundred years ago. I don't know of a single Ayurvedic book published before the mid 20th century that says meat is bad. on the contrary, there are elaborate descriptions on meat of every kind you can possibly imagine and when to eat what. Also MamsarasA (soup of meat would be an approximate translation) is recommended especially for debilitating conditions. Vegetarianism in the Indian context has cultural, ethical, historical and political connotations to it. Of course, for people who are spiritually inclined, foods like garlic, meat may pose a hindrance as they are tamasaic and rajasaic but Ayurveda never says that they are unhealthy or bad for you. Garlic in fact is considered a rasayana if taken appropriately and LasunaYoga is mentioned in great detail in the Kashyapa Samhita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Krsi-goraksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam [bhagvad Geeta 18.44]. There must be sufficient milk in the human society. If you drink more milk and milk products, then your brain will be very sharp. You will understand things very nicely, corectly. Therefore milk is very important. In the Vedic sastra cow protection is recommended Om Namah Shivay, Nilesh , balakrishnan k <bal_ki> wrote: > Hi all, I had a debate with my cousin regaring having vegan diet and I was impressing upon him about the goodness of the vegan diet then he caught me on drinking milk . He said it is an extract from an animal and hence it should be considered as non vegetarian. My question is, if milk is considered as non-vegetarian then why it is given to most of the deities as offerings .... Aum NamaShivaya Shivaya Nama AUM Bala. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Not for everyone. Milk knocks me straight out. I drink one glass of milk and I will sleep for two days straight. No kidding. - nilesh_chandode Monday, April 21, 2003 9:06 PM Re: Drinking milk Krsi-goraksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam [bhagvad Geeta 18.44]. There must be sufficient milk in the human society. If you drink more milk and milk products, then your brain will be very sharp. You will understand things very nicely, corectly. Therefore milk is very important. In the Vedic sastra cow protection is recommended Om Namah Shivay, Nilesh , balakrishnan k <bal_ki> wrote: > Hi all, I had a debate with my cousin regaring having vegan diet and I was impressing upon him about the goodness of the vegan diet then he caught me on drinking milk . He said it is an extract from an animal and hence it should be considered as non vegetarian. My question is, if milk is considered as non-vegetarian then why it is given to most of the deities as offerings .... Aum NamaShivaya Shivaya Nama AUM Bala. > Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Very Strange!!! I have never heard of such thing. Milk is not an intoxication so why like this?? Did you ask any doctor? wrote: Not for everyone. Milk knocks me straight out. I drink one glass of milk and I will sleep for two days straight. No kidding. - nilesh_chandode Monday, April 21, 2003 9:06 PM Re: Drinking milk Krsi-goraksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam [bhagvad Geeta 18.44]. There must be sufficient milk in the human society. If you drink more milk and milk products, then your brain will be very sharp. You will understand things very nicely, corectly. Therefore milk is very important. In the Vedic sastra cow protection is recommended Om Namah Shivay, Nilesh , balakrishnan k wrote: > Hi all, I had a debate with my cousin regaring having vegan diet and I was impressing upon him about the goodness of the vegan diet then he caught me on drinking milk . He said it is an extract from an animal and hence it should be considered as non vegetarian. My question is, if milk is considered as non-vegetarian then why it is given to most of the deities as offerings .... Aum NamaShivaya Shivaya Nama AUM Bala. > To send an email to: ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/XUWolB/TM ---~-> To send an email to: Your use of is subject to Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 calcium's effect on hypothalamus - nilesh_chandode Monday, April 21, 2003 11:02 PM Re: Re: Drinking milk Very Strange!!! I have never heard of such thing. Milk is not an intoxication so why like this?? Did you ask any doctor? wrote: Not for everyone. Milk knocks me straight out. I drink one glass of milk and I will sleep for two days straight. No kidding. - nilesh_chandode Monday, April 21, 2003 9:06 PM Re: Drinking milk Krsi-goraksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam [bhagvad Geeta 18.44]. There must be sufficient milk in the human society. If you drink more milk and milk products, then your brain will be very sharp. You will understand things very nicely, corectly. Therefore milk is very important. In the Vedic sastra cow protection is recommended Om Namah Shivay, Nilesh , balakrishnan k wrote: > Hi all, I had a debate with my cousin regaring having vegan diet and I was impressing upon him about the goodness of the vegan diet then he caught me on drinking milk . He said it is an extract from an animal and hence it should be considered as non vegetarian. My question is, if milk is considered as non-vegetarian then why it is given to most of the deities as offerings .... Aum NamaShivaya Shivaya Nama AUM Bala. > Sponsor To send an email to: ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/XUWolB/TM ---~-> To send an email to: Your use of is subject to Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 dear members... om namah shivaya to all there has been lot of wonderful discussion with regard to diet on the board. whether to eat this or not. whether to drink this or not etc... But i sincerely believe that every diet be it veg or otherwise has its own vital properties and goodies or even medicinal values in protecting your health. milk is the first diet with which a man starts his life and nothing adverse has been debated either in the shastras or in today's time. anything taken appropriately should not be harmful or unhealthy. so whether to eat/drink something depends on your taste. i have seen people who consume foods like garlic, meat etc.. and yet very balanced. there are also people who are strict vegan and yet unbalanced. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Thank you all for sharing your views , it was very informative.Aum NamaShivayaBala. thunderheals wrote:Namaste and thank you for the wonderful information that you have shared with us :-) In a message dated 4/21/2003 5:41:52 PM Central Daylight Time, suraj_raghavan writes: > Dear Listmembers: > Since my interests are in Ayurveda, i thought i'd butt in and offer > my two (hundred:-)) cents. In seeking to understand dietetics of a > culture or indeed anything else, i find it best to avoid > reductionisms. Analysing the virtues of milk according to Ayurveda in > isolation is a little bit like saying "Inuits living in polar regions > eat a lot of meat some of it even raw and don't appear to be > unhealthy or overweight, so seal meat must be good for me". The point > is that the Inuit diet is perfectly suited for the environment they > live in. > Dietetics in Ayurveda is a very complex subject that requires a lot > of study before one can make generalisations. It is not based on whim > and like other Indian shastras is empirical in nature. Thus even > though the number of medicinal plants in India that are known and > documented is close to 7200, only about 1800 species are in > the "official" Ayurvedic materia medica and there is a pretty good > reason for this. Every plant and food that's native or has been > introduced to India has been rigourously analysed according to > Ayurvedic tenets and only when the theory is borne out by empirical > evidence has it been included as officinal. So what does all this > have to do with milk? > Milk and dairy products hold a very special place in Indian culture. > Btw, Ayurvedic dietetics has analysed milk of nearly every species > you can think of but let's just stick to cows milk. Ayurveda does > consider it sattvic and especially good for debilitating conditions. > It is considered a perfect food and apparently can be consumed raw > within approximately 150 minutes from the time of milking. Otherwise > it needs to be drunk warm. But the thing to remember is all the > dietary rules which go along with this like for instance eating foods > that are in season and raised as close to where you live as possible. > Also it must be remembered that what passes for milk today (in India > and the US; i know because i live on both continents) is vastly > diiferent from what it was say even a hundred years ago. I don't know > of a single Ayurvedic book published before the mid 20th century that > says meat is bad. on the contrary, there are elaborate descriptions > on meat of every kind you can possibly imagine and when to eat what. > Also MamsarasA (soup of meat would be an approximate translation) is > recommended especially for debilitating conditions. > Vegetarianism in the Indian context has cultural, ethical, historical > and political connotations to it. Of course, for people who are > spiritually inclined, foods like garlic, meat may pose a hindrance as > they are tamasaic and rajasaic but Ayurveda never says that they are > unhealthy or bad for you. Garlic in fact is considered a rasayana if > taken appropriately and LasunaYoga is mentioned in great detail in > the Kashyapa Samhita. > > > Sponsor To send an email to: The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Namaste Suraj-ji, Thanks for your most succinct input. I saw a documentary about the Inuits and can't agree more with what you pointed out. Your comments are very insightful, as are inputs by other respected members here. Certainly gives rise to "Milk for Thought" :-) Om Namah Shivaya, Sy --- In , "surajraghavan2002" <suraj_raghavan@h...> wrote: > Dear Listmembers: > Since my interests are in Ayurveda, i thought i'd butt in and offer > my two (hundred:-)) cents. In seeking to understand dietetics of a > culture or indeed anything else, i find it best to avoid > reductionisms. Analysing the virtues of milk according to Ayurveda in > isolation is a little bit like saying "Inuits living in polar regions > eat a lot of meat some of it even raw and don't appear to be > unhealthy or overweight, so seal meat must be good for me". The point > is that the Inuit diet is perfectly suited for the environment they > live in. > Dietetics in Ayurveda is a very complex subject that requires a lot > of study before one can make generalisations. It is not based on whim > and like other Indian shastras is empirical in nature. Thus even > though the number of medicinal plants in India that are known and > documented is close to 7200, only about 1800 species are in > the "official" Ayurvedic materia medica and there is a pretty good > reason for this. Every plant and food that's native or has been > introduced to India has been rigourously analysed according to > Ayurvedic tenets and only when the theory is borne out by empirical > evidence has it been included as officinal. So what does all this > have to do with milk? > Milk and dairy products hold a very special place in Indian culture. > Btw, Ayurvedic dietetics has analysed milk of nearly every species > you can think of but let's just stick to cows milk. Ayurveda does > consider it sattvic and especially good for debilitating conditions. > It is considered a perfect food and apparently can be consumed raw > within approximately 150 minutes from the time of milking. Otherwise > it needs to be drunk warm. But the thing to remember is all the > dietary rules which go along with this like for instance eating foods > that are in season and raised as close to where you live as possible. > Also it must be remembered that what passes for milk today (in India > and the US; i know because i live on both continents) is vastly > diiferent from what it was say even a hundred years ago. I don't know > of a single Ayurvedic book published before the mid 20th century that > says meat is bad. on the contrary, there are elaborate descriptions > on meat of every kind you can possibly imagine and when to eat what. > Also MamsarasA (soup of meat would be an approximate translation) is > recommended especially for debilitating conditions. > Vegetarianism in the Indian context has cultural, ethical, historical > and political connotations to it. Of course, for people who are > spiritually inclined, foods like garlic, meat may pose a hindrance as > they are tamasaic and rajasaic but Ayurveda never says that they are > unhealthy or bad for you. Garlic in fact is considered a rasayana if > taken appropriately and LasunaYoga is mentioned in great detail in > the Kashyapa Samhita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Thanks. You are very kind. Speaking of polar peoples, i saw a movie called Atanarjuat (sp?) last year that was really awesome. IMO, it should be made mandatory watching for the powers that be in today's world. Milk for thought, i like that:-) Hell for me would be a land without cows (or goats). Like a proper indian boy i drink it every night warm with cardamom and honey no less:-) ps: do you have any info on australian use of elaeocarpus genus either in religion or medicine? Take care Suraj , "Syzenith" <syzenith> wrote: > Namaste Suraj-ji, > > Thanks for your most succinct input. I saw a documentary about the > Inuits and can't agree more with what you pointed out. Your comments > are very insightful, as are inputs by other respected members here. > Certainly gives rise to "Milk for Thought" :-) > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Sy > > --- In > , "surajraghavan2002" > <suraj_raghavan@h...> wrote: > > Dear Listmembers: > > Since my interests are in Ayurveda, i thought i'd butt in and offer > > my two (hundred:-)) cents. In seeking to understand dietetics of a > > culture or indeed anything else, i find it best to avoid > > reductionisms. Analysing the virtues of milk according to Ayurveda > in > > isolation is a little bit like saying "Inuits living in polar > regions > > eat a lot of meat some of it even raw and don't appear to be > > unhealthy or overweight, so seal meat must be good for me". The > point > > is that the Inuit diet is perfectly suited for the environment they > > live in. > > Dietetics in Ayurveda is a very complex subject that requires a lot > > of study before one can make generalisations. It is not based on > whim > > and like other Indian shastras is empirical in nature. Thus even > > though the number of medicinal plants in India that are known and > > documented is close to 7200, only about 1800 species are in > > the "official" Ayurvedic materia medica and there is a pretty good > > reason for this. Every plant and food that's native or has been > > introduced to India has been rigourously analysed according to > > Ayurvedic tenets and only when the theory is borne out by empirical > > evidence has it been included as officinal. So what does all this > > have to do with milk? > > Milk and dairy products hold a very special place in Indian > culture. > > Btw, Ayurvedic dietetics has analysed milk of nearly every species > > you can think of but let's just stick to cows milk. Ayurveda does > > consider it sattvic and especially good for debilitating > conditions. > > It is considered a perfect food and apparently can be consumed raw > > within approximately 150 minutes from the time of milking. > Otherwise > > it needs to be drunk warm. But the thing to remember is all the > > dietary rules which go along with this like for instance eating > foods > > that are in season and raised as close to where you live as > possible. > > Also it must be remembered that what passes for milk today (in > India > > and the US; i know because i live on both continents) is vastly > > diiferent from what it was say even a hundred years ago. I don't > know > > of a single Ayurvedic book published before the mid 20th century > that > > says meat is bad. on the contrary, there are elaborate descriptions > > on meat of every kind you can possibly imagine and when to eat > what. > > Also MamsarasA (soup of meat would be an approximate translation) > is > > recommended especially for debilitating conditions. > > Vegetarianism in the Indian context has cultural, ethical, > historical > > and political connotations to it. Of course, for people who are > > spiritually inclined, foods like garlic, meat may pose a hindrance > as > > they are tamasaic and rajasaic but Ayurveda never says that they > are > > unhealthy or bad for you. Garlic in fact is considered a rasayana > if > > taken appropriately and LasunaYoga is mentioned in great detail in > > the Kashyapa Samhita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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