Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Dear Chandrashekharji Namaskar My Friend and thank you for provideing us with this valuable information on the identity of the types of wood used in makeing fake Beads. Would really like to see a video made showing the artisans and their techniques of carveing the Beads and how they fill in extra lines or carve extra lines We will add your information to our records and look forward to many more posts from your research of the Holy Rudraksa Your research is highly valuable and we thank you for shareing this knowledge with the group Thank you and Take Care Mitra DahrmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:51 AM Authentic test for Rudrakshas Dear Mr. Vijay, Thank you very much for opening discussion on an important topic regarding authenticity tests for Rudraksha Beads. I agree with Shri. Dharmadev Aryaji's opinion in this connection. Whether Rudraksha floats or sinks can not be the full-proof test. In my collection I have few real Rudrakshas which float, though these beads are of very good quality i.e. they are niether infected by fungus nor infested by any insects. Percentage of floating good quality beads is very less. As I have mentioned earlier, Rudrakshas which are eiether infected due to insects or fungal attack, float. Fake beads can be made from wood or from a type of clay. It is mentioned that fake beads are made from inner wood of the plant species Aquillaria agallocha and from the wood of Chest nut (Akrod) plant. To identify real Rudraksha, an expert's eye and touch is required. There is lot of variation in Rudraksha beads. Constant collection of different ru! ! drakshas from different localities adds to one's experience in this field. It is always therefore better to purchase rudraksha beads from the authentic sources, if a person does not have any experience in it. Fake beads are generally made for Ek Mukhi and in case of beads more than 13mukhi and above. Chandrashekhar Phadke Vijay <vchhalla wrote:On Namah Shivaya I am a new user to this group, went to the URL u have given but the url says "(A real rudraksh can be indentified if it floats in a cup of water, whereas the artificial one will sink in water). IS THIS TRUE. coz i have been often told that the orginal will sink and the artificial floats. Can somebody throw light on this anamoly vijay - zarembadavid <rudra Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:51 PM Treatment of Heart Disease by Rudrakshas : TREATMENT OF HEART DISEASE by Rudrakshas : http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forpatients/HomeRemedies/HEART.asp **NOTE If the link does not work ,just copy the whole adress and paste it in the address/URL finder at the top of the page --- Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your mail. As per my information, few tribal people from North India make variety of fake beads. However, lot of secrecy is maintained. It is very difficult to find out who make such beads and how they are made. In my collection I have collected such fake rudrakshas made from clay and other woody material. It is very difficult to take vedio filming or pictures of the actual process for making fake beads. I am trying to get more information in this respect. If I could get any more information, I will send it to you. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Chandrashekharji Namaskar My Friend and thank you for provideing us with this valuable information on the identity of the types of wood used in makeing fake Beads. Would really like to see a video made showing the artisans and their techniques of carveing the Beads and how they fill in extra lines or carve extra lines We will add your information to our records and look forward to many more posts from your research of the Holy Rudraksa Your research is highly valuable and we thank you for shareing this knowledge with the group Thank you and Take Care Mitra DahrmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:51 AM Authentic test for Rudrakshas Dear Mr. Vijay, Thank you very much for opening discussion on an important topic regarding authenticity tests for Rudraksha Beads. I agree with Shri. Dharmadev Aryaji's opinion in this connection. Whether Rudraksha floats or sinks can not be the full-proof test. In my collection I have few real Rudrakshas which float, though these beads are of very good quality i.e. they are niether infected by fungus nor infested by any insects. Percentage of floating good quality beads is very less. As I have mentioned earlier, Rudrakshas which are eiether infected due to insects or fungal attack, float. Fake beads can be made from wood or from a type of clay. It is mentioned that fake beads are made from inner wood of the plant species Aquillaria agallocha and from the wood of Chest nut (Akrod) plant. To identify real Rudraksha, an expert's eye and touch is required. There is lot of variation in Rudraksha beads. Constant collection of different ru! ! drakshas from different localities adds to one's experience in this field. It is always therefore better to purchase rudraksha beads from the authentic sources, if a person does not have any experience in it. Fake beads are generally made for Ek Mukhi and in case of beads more than 13mukhi and above. Chandrashekhar Phadke Vijay <vchhalla wrote:On Namah Shivaya I am a new user to this group, went to the URL u have given but the url says "(A real rudraksh can be indentified if it floats in a cup of water, whereas the artificial one will sink in water). IS THIS TRUE. coz i have been often told that the orginal will sink and the artificial floats. Can somebody throw light on this anamoly vijay - zarembadavid <rudra Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:51 PM Treatment of Heart Disease by Rudrakshas : TREATMENT OF HEART DISEASE by Rudrakshas : http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forpatients/HomeRemedies/HEART.asp **NOTE If the link does not work ,just copy the whole adress and paste it in the address/URL finder at the top of the page --- Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Dear Chandrashekharji Thank you for your message My Friend. From my recent experience with Dr Basnet and Rudra Bandar in Nepal I found that he openly offered me fake beads that are made in Nepal where natural beads in the 13 and 14 Mukhi range are carved with extra lines. The 13 and 14 Mukhi Beads have the same general elongated shape as the other higher mukhi Beads so they are perfect for this. Can carve a large oblong shaped 13 or 14 Mukhi with as many as 21 Mukhi lines. He told me there was good market for these and they could be sold because no one could tell the difference. He offers different fake beads in the higher Mukhis as a normal part of his business that also distributes authentic Beads stateing they are less expensive to purchase on the wholesale price level then the authentic beads. His statements didnt make sense to me so I never really fully understood why he would offer fake beads to people as this type of behaviour actually causes more problems for everyone. In addition any and all fake beads are readily identifiable when placed under a strong magnifying lens or microscope Is simply to difficult to deal with people like this because you can never tell what they will do next so we discontinued trying to communicate with him There must be someone out there besides Dr Basnet who would know how to contact artisans in Kathmandu who make these fake beads and would show their skills in a video if they were hired to do this Maybe someday there will be a member of this group from Kathmandu and we can learn more Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:48 PM Re: Authentic test for Rudrakshas Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your mail. As per my information, few tribal people from North India make variety of fake beads. However, lot of secrecy is maintained. It is very difficult to find out who make such beads and how they are made. In my collection I have collected such fake rudrakshas made from clay and other woody material. It is very difficult to take vedio filming or pictures of the actual process for making fake beads. I am trying to get more information in this respect. If I could get any more information, I will send it to you. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Chandrashekharji Namaskar My Friend and thank you for provideing us with this valuable information on the identity of the types of wood used in makeing fake Beads. Would really like to see a video made showing the artisans and their techniques of carveing the Beads and how they fill in extra lines or carve extra lines We will add your information to our records and look forward to many more posts from your research of the Holy Rudraksa Your research is highly valuable and we thank you for shareing this knowledge with the group Thank you and Take Care Mitra DahrmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:51 AM Authentic test for Rudrakshas Dear Mr. Vijay, Thank you very much for opening discussion on an important topic regarding authenticity tests for Rudraksha Beads. I agree with Shri. Dharmadev Aryaji's opinion in this connection. Whether Rudraksha floats or sinks can not be the full-proof test. In my collection I have few real Rudrakshas which float, though these beads are of very good quality i.e. they are niether infected by fungus nor infested by any insects. Percentage of floating good quality beads is very less. As I have mentioned earlier, Rudrakshas which are eiether infected due to insects or fungal attack, float. Fake beads can be made from wood or from a type of clay. It is mentioned that fake beads are made from inner wood of the plant species Aquillaria agallocha and from the wood of Chest nut (Akrod) plant. To identify real Rudraksha, an expert's eye and touch is required. There is lot of variation in Rudraksha beads. Constant collection of different ru! ! ! ! drakshas from different localities adds to one's experience in this field. It is always therefore better to purchase rudraksha beads from the authentic sources, if a person does not have any experience in it. Fake beads are generally made for Ek Mukhi and in case of beads more than 13mukhi and above. Chandrashekhar Phadke Vijay <vchhalla wrote:On Namah Shivaya I am a new user to this group, went to the URL u have given but the url says "(A real rudraksh can be indentified if it floats in a cup of water, whereas the artificial one will sink in water). IS THIS TRUE. coz i have been often told that the orginal will sink and the artificial floats. Can somebody throw light on this anamoly vijay - zarembadavid <rudra Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:51 PM Treatment of Heart Disease by Rudrakshas : TREATMENT OF HEART DISEASE by Rudrakshas : http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forpatients/HomeRemedies/HEART.asp **NOTE If the link does not work ,just copy the whole adress and paste it in the address/URL finder at the top of the page --- Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Dear Respected Chandrashekharji Thank you for shareing your expertise in this My Friend Always look forward to your participation here Yes we have also seen in the lower Mukhi Beads there is a seed in the area between each of the Mukhis Have not tried to look at the higher Mukhi Beads due to rareity In respect to germination of seeds we have also tried to remove the majority of the woody part that surrounds the Beads in order to increase timeframes of germination In order for water to reach the seeds in their respective compartments it seems the Bead needs to rot and this takes months Then there is a possibility when germination takes place the seedling sprouts from the inside of the beads and comes out one of the natural holes that we use for stringing Would be good if we could document the different stages of germination to see if the Rudraksa Seed has adopted the defensive mechanism of germinateing and then intentionally pushing out to the protected space......... inside the Bead........... prior to the seedling pushing out into the world Do you have any infomation on the germination and growth proceess at this stage of Life Do you have information regarding the possibility that a 13 Mukhi Rudraksa will grow a 13 Mukhi Rudraksa Tree Or the possibility that a 12 Mukhi Rudraksa will grow a 12 Mukhi Rudraksa Tree Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:37 AM Re: Authentic test for Rudrakshas Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your detailed mail. I fully agree with you that it is easily possible toexamine and detect fake beads under a normal dissecting binocular microscope. Artificially made clefts or 'Mkukhas' are easily detectable under the microscope or even with the help of best quality magnifying lense. It is my normal practice that I make thorough examination of my beads eiether under laboratory microscope or by using a lens. If one examines, how these clefts are formed naturally, then it is very easy to differentiate between natural clefts and artificial ones. Natural clefts have raised shiny borders. These cleft borders are very smooth, shiny, waxy in appearance and most important they are slightly rounded. Artificially made clefts lack these characters. They appear plane in surface. Botanically, total number of clefts means total number of locules observed in the ovary. Each such locule, contain small elongated shiny brown or black seed in it. If one cut Rudraksha bead with a good haxsaw blade transeversely he can see these locules. If it is cut vertically, one can get seeds it it. If I have come across any new type of a bead, I do not hesitate to cut the bead. It adds to our knowledge about the type of a bead, to avoid cheating. It is always important to check the bead thoroughly I feel. I think this will help people to judge real rudraksha. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Chandrashekharji Thank you for your message My Friend. From my recent experience with Dr Basnet and Rudra Bandar in Nepal I found that he openly offered me fake beads that are made in Nepal where natural beads in the 13 and 14 Mukhi range are carved with extra lines. The 13 and 14 Mukhi Beads have the same general elongated shape as the other higher mukhi Beads so they are perfect for this. Can carve a large oblong shaped 13 or 14 Mukhi with as many as 21 Mukhi lines. He told me there was good market for these and they could be sold because no one could tell the difference. He offers different fake beads in the higher Mukhis as a normal part of his business that also distributes authentic Beads stateing they are less expensive to purchase on the wholesale price level then the authentic beads. His statements didnt make sense to me so I never really fully understood why he would offer fake beads to people as this type of behaviour actually causes more problems for everyone. In addition any and all fake beads are readily identifiable when placed under a strong magnifying lens or microscope Is simply to difficult to deal with people like this because you can never tell what they will do next so we discontinued trying to communicate with him There must be someone out there besides Dr Basnet who would know how to contact artisans in Kathmandu who make these fake beads and would show their skills in a video if they were hired to do this Maybe someday there will be a member of this group from Kathmandu and we can learn more Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:48 PM Re: Authentic test for Rudrakshas Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your mail. As per my information, few tribal people from North India make variety of fake beads. However, lot of secrecy is maintained. It is very difficult to find out who make such beads and how they are made. In my collection I have collected such fake rudrakshas made from clay and other woody material. It is very difficult to take vedio filming or pictures of the actual process for making fake beads. I am trying to get more information in this respect. If I could get any more information, I will send it to you. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Chandrashekharji Namaskar My Friend and thank you for provideing us with this valuable information on the identity of the types of wood used in makeing fake Beads. Would really like to see a video made showing the artisans and their techniques of carveing the Beads and how they fill in extra lines or carve extra lines We will add your information to our records and look forward to many more posts from your research of the Holy Rudraksa Your research is highly valuable and we thank you for shareing this knowledge with the group Thank you and Take Care Mitra DahrmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:51 AM Authentic test for Rudrakshas Dear Mr. Vijay, Thank you very much for opening discussion on an important topic regarding authenticity tests for Rudraksha Beads. I agree with Shri. Dharmadev Aryaji's opinion in this connection. Whether Rudraksha floats or sinks can not be the full-proof test. In my collection I have few real Rudrakshas which float, though these beads are of very good quality i.e. they are niether infected by fungus nor infested by any insects. Percentage of floating good quality beads is very less. As I have mentioned earlier, Rudrakshas which are eiether infected due to insects or fungal attack, float. Fake beads can be made from wood or from a type of clay. It is mentioned that fake beads are made from inner wood of the plant species Aquillaria agallocha and from the wood of Chest nut (Akrod) plant. To identify real Rudraksha, an expert's eye and touch is required. There is lot of variation in Rudraksha beads. Constant collection of different ru! ! ! ! ! ! drakshas from different localities adds to one's experience in this field. It is always therefore better to purchase rudraksha beads from the authentic sources, if a person does not have any experience in it. Fake beads are generally made for Ek Mukhi and in case of beads more than 13mukhi and above. Chandrashekhar Phadke Vijay <vchhalla wrote:On Namah Shivaya I am a new user to this group, went to the URL u have given but the url says "(A real rudraksh can be indentified if it floats in a cup of water, whereas the artificial one will sink in water). IS THIS TRUE. coz i have been often told that the orginal will sink and the artificial floats. Can somebody throw light on this anamoly vijay - zarembadavid <rudra Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:51 PM Treatment of Heart Disease by Rudrakshas : TREATMENT OF HEART DISEASE by Rudrakshas : http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forpatients/HomeRemedies/HEART.asp **NOTE If the link does not work ,just copy the whole adress and paste it in the address/URL finder at the top of the page --- Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote: Dear Respected Chandrashekharji Thank you for shareing your expertise in this My Friend Always look forward to your participation here Yes we have also seen in the lower Mukhi Beads there is a seed in the area between each of the Mukhis Have not tried to look at the higher Mukhi Beads due to rareity In respect to germination of seeds we have also tried to remove the majority of the woody part that surrounds the Beads in order to increase timeframes of germination In order for water to reach the seeds in their respective compartments it seems the Bead needs to rot and this takes months Then there is a possibility when germination takes place the seedling sprouts from the inside of the beads and comes out one of the natural holes that we use for stringing Would be good if we could document the different stages of germination to see if the Rudraksa Seed has adopted the defensive mechanism of germinateing and then intentionally pushing out to the protected space......... inside the Bead........... prior to the seedling pushing out into the world Do you have any infomation on the germination and growth proceess at this stage of Life Do you have information regarding the possibility that a 13 Mukhi Rudraksa will grow a 13 Mukhi Rudraksa Tree Or the possibility that a 12 Mukhi Rudraksa will grow a 12 Mukhi Rudraksa Tree Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:37 AM Re: Authentic test for Rudrakshas Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your detailed mail. I fully agree with you that it is easily possible toexamine and detect fake beads under a normal dissecting binocular microscope. Artificially made clefts or 'Mkukhas' are easily detectable under the microscope or even with the help of best quality magnifying lense. It is my normal practice that I make thorough examination of my beads eiether under laboratory microscope or by using a lens. If one examines, how these clefts are formed naturally, then it is very easy to differentiate between natural clefts and artificial ones. Natural clefts have raised shiny borders. These cleft borders are very smooth, shiny, waxy in appearance and most important they are slightly rounded. Artificially made clefts lack these characters. They appear plane in surface. Botanically, total number of clefts means total number of locules observed in the ovary. Each such locule, contain small elongated shiny brown or black seed in it. If one cut Rudraksha bead with a good haxsaw blade transeversely he can see these locules. If it is cut vertically, one can get seeds it it. If I have come across any new type of a bead, I do not hesitate to cut the bead. It adds to our knowledge about the type of a bead, to avoid cheating. It is always important to check the bead thoroughly I feel. I think this will help people to judge real rudraksha. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Chandrashekharji Thank you for your message My Friend. From my recent experience with Dr Basnet and Rudra Bandar in Nepal I found that he openly offered me fake beads that are made in Nepal where natural beads in the 13 and 14 Mukhi range are carved with extra lines. The 13 and 14 Mukhi Beads have the same general elongated shape as the other higher mukhi Beads so they are perfect for this. Can carve a large oblong shaped 13 or 14 Mukhi with as many as 21 Mukhi lines. He told me there was good market for these and they could be sold because no one could tell the difference. He offers different fake beads in the higher Mukhis as a normal part of his business that also distributes authentic Beads stateing they are less expensive to purchase on the wholesale price level then the authentic beads. His statements didnt make sense to me so I never really fully understood why he would offer fake beads to people as this type of behaviour actually causes more problems for everyone. In addition any and all fake beads are readily identifiable when placed under a strong magnifying lens or microscope Is simply to difficult to deal with people like this because you can never tell what they will do next so we discontinued trying to communicate with him There must be someone out there besides Dr Basnet who would know how to contact artisans in Kathmandu who make these fake beads and would show their skills in a video if they were hired to do this Maybe someday there will be a member of this group from Kathmandu and we can learn more Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:48 PM Re: Authentic test for Rudrakshas Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your mail. As per my information, few tribal people from North India make variety of fake beads. However, lot of secrecy is maintained. It is very difficult to find out who make such beads and how they are made. In my collection I have collected such fake rudrakshas made from clay and other woody material. It is very difficult to take vedio filming or pictures of the actual process for making fake beads. I am trying to get more information in this respect. If I could get any more information, I will send it to you. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Chandrashekharji Namaskar My Friend and thank you for provideing us with this valuable information on the identity of the types of wood used in makeing fake Beads. Would really like to see a video made showing the artisans and their techniques of carveing the Beads and how they fill in extra lines or carve extra lines We will add your information to our records and look forward to many more posts from your research of the Holy Rudraksa Your research is highly valuable and we thank you for shareing this knowledge with the group Thank you and Take Care Mitra DahrmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:51 AM Authentic test for Rudrakshas Dear Mr. Vijay, Thank you very much for opening discussion on an important topic regarding authenticity tests for Rudraksha Beads. I agree with Shri. Dharmadev Aryaji's opinion in this connection. Whether Rudraksha floats or sinks can not be the full-proof test. In my collection I have few real Rudrakshas which float, though these beads are of very good quality i.e. they are niether infected by fungus nor infested by any insects. Percentage of floating good quality beads is very less. As I have mentioned earlier, Rudrakshas which are eiether infected due to insects or fungal attack, float. Fake beads can be made from wood or from a type of clay. It is mentioned that fake beads are made from inner wood of the plant species Aquillaria agallocha and from the wood of Chest nut (Akrod) plant. To identify real Rudraksha, an expert's eye and touch is required. There is lot of variation in Rudraksha beads. Constant collection of different ru! ! ! ! ! ! drakshas from different localities adds to one's experience in this field. It is always therefore better to purchase rudraksha beads from the authentic sources, if a person does not have any experience in it. Fake beads are generally made for Ek Mukhi and in case of beads more than 13mukhi and above. Chandrashekhar Phadke Vijay <vchhalla wrote:On Namah Shivaya I am a new user to this group, went to the URL u have given but the url says "(A real rudraksh can be indentified if it floats in a cup of water, whereas the artificial one will sink in water). IS THIS TRUE. coz i have been often told that the orginal will sink and the artificial floats. Can somebody throw light on this anamoly vijay - zarembadavid <rudra Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:51 PM Treatment of Heart Disease by Rudrakshas : TREATMENT OF HEART DISEASE by Rudrakshas : http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forpatients/HomeRemedies/HEART.asp **NOTE If the link does not work ,just copy the whole adress and paste it in the address/URL finder at the top of the page --- Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Sponsor Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your detailed mail regarding germination of Rudraksha seeds. At present I do not have any information about germination of Rudraksha seeds. Seed germination is one of the major branch of botany. Any seed has a viability period. This period differs from plant to plant. In simple words it means that seeds having short viability period can germinate only within few days or months as the case may be. For example, 'Neem' seeds have a very short viability period of 4 to 5 days. Such seeds can not be germinated after one month or so. Few of the seeds may have longer viability period. Another aspect is of 'Seed dormancy'. Seeds of many plant species have a definite dormancy period. This means that, if a seed has a dormancy period for 6 months, it can not germinate before that period. This dormancy period has excellent matching with its life cycle. This problem can be solved in the laboratory by treating such seeds with some plant hormones like gibberelic acid or by other chemical and physical means. You can get lot of literature on 'Seed Dormancy'. I do not have any idea whether any body has done these studies in Rudrakshas. The main problem is getting sufficient no. of fresh seeds. You have asked the question (for eg.) that whether it is possible to get plants producing only 12mukhis from a seed of 12 mukhi bead ? The answer is very difficult. It is said that different mukhi beads are produced on the same plant. Seeds are produced after cross pollination and therefore it is difficult to say whether it will produce only similar fruits or not in the next generation ? Of course, if any body tries its somatic tissue to produce plants in laboratory, then therotically, yes, it is possible. But this is a long term project. About locules and seeds in higher mukhis; as per my experience, I have few damaged higher mukhi beads and I have seen seeds and locules in it. If I get any scientific information regarding Rudraksha I will send it to you. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Dear Respected Chandrashekharji Thank you for the immense information sent to us. Is facinateing to read your Scientific input regarding a subject so close to our Hearts Sometimes the inconvenience of mechanical computer problems seem to be part of the convenience of this method of communication so is not a problem My Friend We always Thank You and look forward to your Knowledge Dhanyawaad aur Pranams Mitra DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:58 PM Authentic test for Rudrakshas Respected Dharmadevji, I am very sorry that, just now I have sent reply to your mail. However, because of some technical problems, my reply was not sent, instead, your original mail sent to me was bounced back to the club members. I feel very sorry for that. In connection with seed germination of Rudraksha beads, at present I do not have much information on it. 'Seed germination' is one of the important branch of botany. Germination of seed of any plant is dependent on its ' viability period'. This period differs from plant to plant and is to be studied in the laboratory or in the field. To study this, it requires many no. of fresh seeds for experimentation. Few seeds, for example 'Neem' seeds have a very short viability period of 4 to 5 days only. Therefore such seeds can not be germinated even after one month. Few other seeds have a very long viability period, such seeds can be germinated even after few years. The other problem faced in seed germination is that of 'Seed dormancy' an another branch of botany. Every plant species has some definite dormancy period (sleeping period in simple words). This period has excellent matching with its natural life cycle. ! ! If a plant has dormancy period of one year, such seeds do not germinate before that period. Of course, for research purpose, this dormancy period can be overcomed by treating such seeds to different plant hormones, like gebberellic acid. It can also be overcomed by physical and chemical treatments. Information on these two main topics for Rudraksha seeds is required to be collected. Another question you have asked, Whether it is possible to get same mukhi beads (for eg. 12mukhi) from a plant obtained through germination of seeds from same mukhi (12 mukhi) beads ? The answer is difficult, since seeds are formed after cross pollination. It is also said that, different mukhi beads are produced on the same plant. Of course, theoratically it is possible, if any one tries to culture somatic tissue (mother tissue) of such seeds and could obtain plants from it. However, it will be a long term research project, and will have to wai! ! t at least for 10 years to see the results. In connection with locules and seeds in higher mukhi beads; I have checked this . In my collection I could collect few higher mukhi cracked and damaged beads. Yes, it produces, no. of locules and seeds, equivalent to the clefts or 'mukhies' of the bead. If I could get any more information on Rudraksha research, I will share it with you and with our club members. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Respected Chandrashekharji Thank you for shareing your expertise in this My Friend Always look forward to your participation here Yes we have also seen in the lower Mukhi Beads there is a seed in the area between each of the Mukhis Have not tried to look at the higher Mukhi Beads due to rareity In respect to germination of seeds we have also tried to remove the majority of the woody part that surrounds the Beads in order to increase timeframes of germination In order for water to reach the seeds in their respective compartments it seems the Bead needs to rot and this takes months Then there is a possibility when germination takes place the seedling sprouts from the inside of the beads and comes out one of the natural holes that we use for stringing Would be good if we could document the different stages of germination to see if the Rudraksa Seed has adopted the defensive mechanism of germinateing and then intentionally pushing out to the protected space......... inside the Bead........... prior to the seedling pushing out into the world Do you have any infomation on the germination and growth proceess at this stage of Life Do you have information regarding the possibility that a 13 Mukhi Rudraksa will grow a 13 Mukhi Rudraksa Tree Or the possibility that a 12 Mukhi Rudraksa will grow a 12 Mukhi Rudraksa Tree Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:37 AM Re: Authentic test for Rudrakshas Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your detailed mail. I fully agree with you that it is easily possible toexamine and detect fake beads under a normal dissecting binocular microscope. Artificially made clefts or 'Mkukhas' are easily detectable under the microscope or even with the help of best quality magnifying lense. It is my normal practice that I make thorough examination of my beads eiether under laboratory microscope or by using a lens. If one examines, how these clefts are formed naturally, then it is very easy to differentiate between natural clefts and artificial ones. Natural clefts have raised shiny borders. These cleft borders are very smooth, shiny, waxy in appearance and most important they are slightly rounded. Artificially made clefts lack these characters. They appear plane in surface. Botanically, total number of clefts means total number of locules observed in the ovary. Each such locule, contain small elongated shiny brown or black seed in it. If one cut Rudraksha bead with a good haxsaw blade transeversely he can see these locules. If it is cut vertically, one can get seeds it it. If I have come across any new type of a bead, I do not hesitate to cut the bead. It adds to our knowledge about the type of a bead, to avoid cheating. It is always important to check the bead thoroughly I feel. I think this will help people to judge real rudraksha. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Chandrashekharji Thank you for your message My Friend. From my recent experience with Dr Basnet and Rudra Bandar in Nepal I found that he openly offered me fake beads that are made in Nepal where natural beads in the 13 and 14 Mukhi range are carved with extra lines. The 13 and 14 Mukhi Beads have the same general elongated shape as the other higher mukhi Beads so they are perfect for this. Can carve a large oblong shaped 13 or 14 Mukhi with as many as 21 Mukhi lines. He told me there was good market for these and they could be sold because no one could tell the difference. He offers different fake beads in the higher Mukhis as a normal part of his business that also distributes authentic Beads stateing they are less expensive to purchase on the wholesale price level then the authentic beads. His statements didnt make sense to me so I never really fully understood why he would offer fake beads to people as this type of behaviour actually causes more problems for everyone. In addition any and all fake beads are readily identifiable when placed under a strong magnifying lens or microscope Is simply to difficult to deal with people like this because you can never tell what they will do next so we discontinued trying to communicate with him There must be someone out there besides Dr Basnet who would know how to contact artisans in Kathmandu who make these fake beads and would show their skills in a video if they were hired to do this Maybe someday there will be a member of this group from Kathmandu and we can learn more Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:48 PM Re: Authentic test for Rudrakshas Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your mail. As per my information, few tribal people from North India make variety of fake beads. However, lot of secrecy is maintained. It is very difficult to find out who make such beads and how they are made. In my collection I have collected such fake rudrakshas made from clay and other woody material. It is very difficult to take vedio filming or pictures of the actual process for making fake beads. I am trying to get more information in this respect. If I could get any more information, I will send it to you. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote:Dear Chandrashekharji Namaskar My Friend and thank you for provideing us with this valuable information on the identity of the types of wood used in makeing fake Beads. Would really like to see a video made showing the artisans and their techniques of carveing the Beads and how they fill in extra lines or carve extra lines We will add your information to our records and look forward to many more posts from your research of the Holy Rudraksa Your research is highly valuable and we thank you for shareing this knowledge with the group Thank you and Take Care Mitra DahrmaDev chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke <> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:51 AM Authentic test for Rudrakshas Dear Mr. Vijay, Thank you very much for opening discussion on an important topic regarding authenticity tests for Rudraksha Beads. I agree with Shri. Dharmadev Aryaji's opinion in this connection. Whether Rudraksha floats or sinks can not be the full-proof test. In my collection I have few real Rudrakshas which float, though these beads are of very good quality i.e. they are niether infected by fungus nor infested by any insects. Percentage of floating good quality beads is very less. As I have mentioned earlier, Rudrakshas which are eiether infected due to insects or fungal attack, float. Fake beads can be made from wood or from a type of clay. It is mentioned that fake beads are made from inner wood of the plant species Aquillaria agallocha and from the wood of Chest nut (Akrod) plant. To identify real Rudraksha, an expert's eye and touch is required. There is lot of variation in Rudraksha beads. Constant collection of different ru! ! ! ! ! ! drakshas from different localities adds to one's experience in this field. It is always therefore better to purchase rudraksha beads from the authentic sources, if a person does not have any experience in it. Fake beads are generally made for Ek Mukhi and in case of beads more than 13mukhi and above. Chandrashekhar Phadke Vijay <vchhalla wrote:On Namah Shivaya I am a new user to this group, went to the URL u have given but the url says "(A real rudraksh can be indentified if it floats in a cup of water, whereas the artificial one will sink in water). IS THIS TRUE. coz i have been often told that the orginal will sink and the artificial floats. Can somebody throw light on this anamoly vijay - zarembadavid <rudra Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:51 PM Treatment of Heart Disease by Rudrakshas : TREATMENT OF HEART DISEASE by Rudrakshas : http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forpatients/HomeRemedies/HEART.asp **NOTE If the link does not work ,just copy the whole adress and paste it in the address/URL finder at the top of the page --- Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Sponsor Sponsor Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your detailed mail regarding germination of Rudraksha seeds. At present I do not have any information about germination of Rudraksha seeds. Seed germination is one of the major branch of botany. Any seed has a viability period. This period differs from plant to plant. In simple words it means that seeds having short viability period can germinate only within few days or months as the case may be. For example, 'Neem' seeds have a very short viability period of 4 to 5 days. Such seeds can not be germinated after one month or so. Few of the seeds may have longer viability period. Another aspect is of 'Seed dormancy'. Seeds of many plant species have a definite dormancy period. This means that, if a seed has a dormancy period for 6 months, it can not germinate before that period. This dormancy period has excellent matching with its life cycle. This problem can be solved in the laboratory by treating such seeds with some plant hormones like gibberelic acid or by other chemical and physical means. You can get lot of literature on 'Seed Dormancy'. I do not have any idea whether any body has done these studies in Rudrakshas. The main problem is getting sufficient no. of fresh seeds. You have asked the question (for eg.) that whether it is possible to get plants producing only 12mukhis from a seed of 12 mukhi bead ? The answer is very difficult. It is said that different mukhi beads are produced on the same plant. Seeds are produced after cross pollination and therefore it is difficult to say whether it will produce only similar fruits or not in the next generation ? Of course, if any body tries its somatic tissue to produce plants in laboratory, then therotically, yes, it is possible. But this is a long term project. About locules and seeds in higher mukhis; as per my experience, I have few damaged higher mukhi beads and I have seen seeds and locules in it. If I get any scientific information regarding Rudraksha I will send it to you. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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