Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 G'day from Downunder! Djinn and Afreet are not much different from one another - only difference in realms/abysses perhaps. By the same token, not all are benevolent or necessarily malefic, depends on how they are 'placated' as some 'sorcerors' put it. Or where they choose or happen to be. Or whether they've been 'employed' by practitioners who would obviously know how to 'control' them, for various purposes. Those who merely seek to experiment, always get their fingers burnt if not worse. These things need guidance from experienced exponents - much like Guru-Chela stuff, to be able to get things right. That's all I know..... Om Shantih Om, Sy , "karisprowl" <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > I thought I read that jinns were the less malevolent. Afreet are the > more malevolent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Yeah, I never messed with 'em. I know people who have. The smart ones didn't do it twice. Love, K. , "Syzenith" <syzenith> wrote: > G'day from Downunder! > > Djinn and Afreet are not much different from one another - only > difference in realms/abysses perhaps. By the same token, not all are > benevolent or necessarily malefic, depends on how they are 'placated' > as some 'sorcerors' put it. Or where they choose or happen to be. Or > whether they've been 'employed' by practitioners who would obviously > know how to 'control' them, for various purposes. Those who merely > seek to experiment, always get their fingers burnt if not worse. > These things need guidance from experienced exponents - much like > Guru-Chela stuff, to be able to get things right. That's all I > know..... > > Om Shantih Om, > Sy > > , "karisprowl" > <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > > I thought I read that jinns were the less malevolent. Afreet are > the > > more malevole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Absolutel agree with everything! Those who think the "LHP" is a quick way to prosper and outrun karmas, are only gonna end up "tortured" or "tormented" in a lot of cases. , "karisprowl" <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > Agree re: worship. Unless one has chosen a malign or chaotic Godform, > (which would be stupid) one can't get into much trouble. > > Agree re: "command." I have only done it with artificial elementals. > And, I am very well trained. Messing with djinn, or the like, is > considered a no-no, in these parts. > > Re: My warnings to others re: left-handed path experimentation. Don't > EVEN get me started on stuff that has happened to the folks who don't > listen. I tell them that they might JUST as well drink toxic waste as > mess with those energies. > > Some folks think that left-handed paths are a shortcut to prosperity. > I have NEVER seen any of them prosper. Those paths are also premised > on the belief that one can outrun one's karma. ROTFL! > > During a lecture that I was giving, I was once asked, "What do you > call people who practice black magick?" > > I replied, "I call them STUPID. And self-destructive." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Yeah. I've seen 'em turn sick and crazy. Tortured from within, but THINKING it's coming from without. BRRRH! Some sources say that after awhile, "a sort of spiritual cancer sets in." BRRHH! David Berkowitz (the Son of Sam) said he was messing with LHP stuff. He's saying (from prison), "Don't do it. It's very dangerous." , "Syzenith" <syzenith> wrote: > Absolutel agree with everything! Those who think the "LHP" is a > quick way to prosper and outrun karmas, are only gonna end > up "tortured" or "tormented" in a lot of cases. > > > , "karisprowl" > <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > > Agree re: worship. Unless one has chosen a malign or chaotic > Godform, > > (which would be stupid) one can't get into much trouble. > > > > Agree re: "command." I have only done it with artificial > elementals. > > And, I am very well trained. Messing with djinn, or the like, is > > considered a no-no, in these parts. > > > > Re: My warnings to others re: left-handed path experimentation. > Don't > > EVEN get me started on stuff that has happened to the folks who > don't > > listen. I tell them that they might JUST as well drink toxic waste > as > > mess with those energies. > > > > Some folks think that left-handed paths are a shortcut to > prosperity. > > I have NEVER seen any of them prosper. Those paths are also > premised > > on the belief that one can outrun one's karma. ROTFL! > > > > During a lecture that I was giving, I was once asked, "What do you > > call people who practice black magick?" > > > > I replied, "I call them STUPID. And self-destructive." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 You are wise to tell people that - it is good Dharma. You are right about "Energy Exchange". To worship Gods, deities, etc., mostly there is energy exchange. In this regard, the likelihood of plunging malignant/chaotic energy into the nervous system is naught. To "command", is a different matter, relevant only to those inclined to dabble with certain 'abysses' where they try to make connections with entities, spirits, Djinn, etc. In "commanding", unless one is an adept in those sort of Paths, the layman gets sunk. The adept, though he/she may attain certain results, also has a high price to pay. Each adept first determines whether he/she is willing to pay the price before attempting a specific 'connection'. May I emphasize these are "dark arts" or "left hand paths" depending on how an individual sees it. Not something to toy with on whim. , "karisprowl" <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > I always have told people to choose carefully the Beings/beings that > they choose to worship/command. Because there is always an energy > exchange. One does NOT want to run a malign or chaotic energy through > one's nervous system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 , "Syzenith" <syzenith> wrote: > That's succinctly put "tortured from within" thinking and blaming > outside circumstances (delusional). In some cases, the "spiritual > cancer" sets in right away but effects emerge after a little while. > Or entities not dismissed properly latch onto/into the person. Often > wonder about those with "multiple personnas". That's another thing-- don't call anything you cannot dismiss. (Of course, we do not "dismiss" God/dess/es-- we "withdraw from their presence"). > Off the track a little but Aleister Crowely for example. Had his > glory days, travelled Egypt, etc. etc. Once very loaded and lauded, > had his wine, women and song. Hard drugs and psychedelics, etc. > Tried other LHP forms and then the "Abyss" with an assistant (the > assistant went mad afterwards). Crowley ended up in a kinda boarding > house room, broke, decrepit, alone and "passed over" there. But that > is not to say he was not a Great Magician - he left a tonne of > wonderful stuff for posterity. Yeah, he did, but I guess he didn't know his Nietzche-- "When you look into the Abyss, the abyss also looks into you." He also forgot NOT to believe in his own hype-- his hubris hung him out to dry. He ran too many (ONE is too many!) malign energies through his nervous system, thinking he was in control. They poisoned him and burned him up. But, then, several of the Golden Dawn ended up, that way. MacGragor Mathers for instance. Of course, Mathers (I forgot his REAL name) was crazy, to begin with. I can't remember the name of Elizabeth I's favorite magickian-- he invented Enochian-- also died sick, broke and crazy. Oh! John Dee was his name. Some of that stuff that they call isn't, of course, malign. Some of it is merely irresponsible and mischieveous. But, it plays ROUGH. And, it doesn't love one. > That's most folks are required to confront and slay the "Guardian at the Gate." Which is, of course, the baser self that one must transcend. Nope-- I say stick with Dieties, elementals, and angels (if one is aHermetic), and one can't go too far wrong. > ************** > > , "karisprowl" > <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > > Yeah. I've seen 'em turn sick and crazy. Tortured from within, but > > THINKING it's coming from without. BRRRH! Some sources say that > after > > awhile, "a sort of spiritual cancer sets in." BRRHH! > > > > David Berkowitz (the Son of Sam) said he was messing with LHP > stuff. > > He's saying (from prison), "Don't do it. It's very dangerous." > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 G'day from Ozland Kari, Absolutely agree with you! Ya really have a good turn of phrase - love the way ya said "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you", how very true..... And abour MacGregor-Mathers & John Dee ("the last royal magician") too. Couple of names came to mind: poet W.B. Yeats and Arthur E. Waite (Waite/Rider tarot deck) were also once of the Golden Dawn. I think they ended up doing very well. Or did I miss something regarding those two? Admire their works too. Om Namah Shivaya, Sy "karisprowl" <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > That's another thing-- don't call anything you cannot dismiss. (Of > course, we do not "dismiss" God/dess/es-- we "withdraw from their > presence"). > > Yeah, he did, but I guess he didn't know his Nietzche-- "When you > look into the Abyss, the abyss also looks into you." He also forgot > NOT to believe in his own hype-- his hubris hung him out to dry. He > ran too many (ONE is too many!) malign energies through his nervous > system, thinking he was in control. They poisoned him and burned him > up. But, then, several of the Golden Dawn ended up, that way. > MacGragor Mathers for instance. Of course, Mathers (I forgot his REAL > name) was crazy, to begin with. > > I can't remember the name of Elizabeth I's favorite magickian-- he > invented Enochian-- also died sick, broke and crazy. Oh! John Dee was > his name. > > Some of that stuff that they call isn't, of course, malign. Some of > it is merely irresponsible and mischieveous. But, it plays ROUGH. > And, it doesn't love one. > > > That's most folks are required to confront and slay the "Guardian at > the Gate." Which is, of course, the baser self that one must > transcend. > > Nope-- I say stick with Dieties, elementals, and angels (if one is > aHermetic), and one can't go too far wrong. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 , "Syzenith" <syzenith> wrote: > G'day from Ozland Kari, > > Absolutely agree with you! Ya really have a good turn of phrase - > love the way ya said "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks > into you", how very true..... And abour MacGregor-Mathers & John Dee > ("the last royal magician") too. > > Couple of names came to mind: poet W.B. Yeats and Arthur E. Waite > (Waite/Rider tarot deck) were also once of the Golden Dawn. I think > they ended up doing very well. Or did I miss something regarding > those two? Admire their works too. No. I think you're right. Violet Frith (Dion Fortune) ended up OK, too. I think the whole crowd got into some nasty, internecine schisms and wars, and psychic attacks on eachother, for awhile. Did some of them end up from Blavatsky? Or was it the other way around-- did some COME from Blavatsky? Don't care for the Rider-Waite deck, though. Prefer the Robin Woods. Like Yeats, a lot. Much love, K. > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Sy > > "karisprowl" <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > > > That's another thing-- don't call anything you cannot dismiss. (Of > > course, we do not "dismiss" God/dess/es-- we "withdraw from their > > presence"). > > > > Yeah, he did, but I guess he didn't know his Nietzche-- "When you > > look into the Abyss, the abyss also looks into you." He also forgot > > NOT to believe in his own hype-- his hubris hung him out to dry. He > > ran too many (ONE is too many!) malign energies through his nervous > > system, thinking he was in control. They poisoned him and burned > him > > up. But, then, several of the Golden Dawn ended up, that way. > > MacGragor Mathers for instance. Of course, Mathers (I forgot his > REAL > > name) was crazy, to begin with. > > > > I can't remember the name of Elizabeth I's favorite magickian-- he > > invented Enochian-- also died sick, broke and crazy. Oh! John Dee > was > > his name. > > > > Some of that stuff that they call isn't, of course, malign. Some of > > it is merely irresponsible and mischieveous. But, it plays ROUGH. > > And, it doesn't love one. > > > > > That's most folks are required to confront and slay the "Guardian > at > > the Gate." Which is, of course, the baser self that one must > > transcend. > > > > Nope-- I say stick with Dieties, elementals, and angels (if one is > > aHermetic), and one can't go too far wro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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