Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 can someone put light on what is the purpose and benfis of 9 and 14mukhi rudraksha karisprowl <karisprowl wrote:Excellent advice! Thank you, sir. BTW-- Sometimes love charms work well, but they never work well in a "controlling" way. I once had one, whose purpose was to help me become more attuned to my lover's divinity. It worked. In the learning process I broke up with him, but we remain the closest of friends. It worked the way it was SUPPOSED to work. We still love and trust eachother deeply, but in the way that is best for both of us. We have both moved on to involvement with other people. Also, this is probably very cold comfort, but NOT getting the one you want is often found to be the very best thing, a short while down the road. I once was contacted by an old boyfriend, a couple of years after a breakup. After I saw him, again, all I could think was to thank God/dess/es that we didn't marry. , "Sri Janaardana Kalianandaswami Garu" <baba108@h...> wrote: > Namaste > > Magic backfires big time - get a Gauri-Shankara - it will bring you > union - leave the with who to the Gods - while your at it leave > everything at God's feet > > Love baba > > > > > , "Kirk" <kirk_bernhardt@c...> > wrote: > > The question about vashikarana and yantras brought up a good > question about the function of 13 mukhi RR beads. That is, could > they help bring back a partner after break up. The answer is no. > The reason is that RR beads are manifestations of Shiva, as the God > of Self Improvement. Self improvement is movement in the direction > of greatest self sufficiency, and freedom from all limitations, even > those which seem necessary like intense emotional relationships. > > > > Intense relationships, even where marriage was the purported goal, > are not eternal, though good partnerships may last for a long time > and even for many lifetimes, or yes, maybe even for hundreds or > thousands of lifetimes. But they aren't eternal, and usually when > one thinks, "They're my soulmate!" Or some other highly charged > emotional response then it's really just a narcissistic self > centered projection on the other person, in which case the > relationship doesn't even exist but rather what does exist is just > one's own imagination. In which case furthermore, what one is > imagining is just some component of one's own self. In other words > one is in love with oneself. Then the separation from the desired > person is a blessing because you can now have an opportunity to find > the desired qualities as part of your own persona, and not as "out > there" somewhere in some other person. > > > > The quality of RR beads, their greatest quality is a sense of > fulfillment, that just wearing them brings to the otherwise > discontented mind. This is the next best thing to just being > perfectly fine all by yourself. In tantra, one does yoga on a deity > and learns to see that being everywhere in order to be liberated > from ones own faults and habits - samskaras. One unifies with some > deity to be removed from samskara or the endless cycle of bvirth and > death, ie. change. RR beads are an easy way to maintain a higher > identity throughout the day, by being in intimate contact with the > chosen deity, who is revealed in the bead. It's a holy fetish of the > Lord, if you will. The main purpose of which is to break up old > negative life patterns, and bring better more beneficial karmas. In > this way they are agents of salvation. > > > > The 13 mukhi bead should bring one the sense of fulfillment that > exists inherently in one's own being. Yes, love can work like > tantra. One can live a better life while engaged in higher > emotional patterns. Perhaps if it is necessary then the 13 mukhi > bead can clear what bad habits stand in the way of a real > relationship. But Shiva is all about self sufficiency. > > > > I'll tell you this. The urge to dominate the partner which would > give rise to the performance of vashikarana is probably the same > ignorant drive and controlling tendency which drove the other person > away in the first place. They say if you love it let it go. And > holding a pretty flower too tight will destroy it. > > > > Enlightenment is worship of the feminine as the primordial state > of self generated wisdom, that is, consciousness birthing awareness > of itself as consciousness. The entire process is summed up in the > samyama of Patanjali. That is to say, consciousness focuses on > something. The point of focus when consciousness itself is Shiva. > Consciousness focuses, and releases to come back on itself. This, > while Shiva, is also Adiparashakti, the fullest version of self > engendered satchidananda. The words don't well describe this union. > However the point is that sahaj samadhi is the state of eternal self > union of the buddhi in oneness. This is the state of fulfillment, > and is the goal of the 13 mukhi bead. To that end, it is said they > give 8 siddhis, and work on chemistry of body, producing soma, ojas, > which supports unity consciousness. > > > > On the other hand, second to self union is union with another. So > the dividing line is close regarding where true fulfillment lies. > But this doesn't mean that wearing 13 mukhi beads will work like > vashikarana. Vashikarana is working some lower tantra within some > emotional and astral realms, realms pretty much destroyed in yogis. > I have it that the astral and even causal bodies dissolve as ones > karmas get burned through higher yogas and realizations. The most > profound doctrines of tantra, the atiyoga tantras can transmute the > physical body into lights. > > > > Rudraksha only come to them who have ceased to function in the > astral and desire planes. Because they will only destroy those > levels of the mind. I've said it before, if you just want to do > black magic then do not wear RR, because it will destroy your > ignorance faster than a gun. > > > > For those involved with yoga, RR are the greatest blessing because > they draw the mind back to itself again and again quicker than when > it's on its own. They therefore support faster growth towards > enlightenment. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have be Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 You have come to the RIGHT place! These folks can tell you a LOT about that. But, until somebody comes on line, try http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com, under, I think, "Mutlifacted Rudraksha." Lotsa info! If you want the planetary implications, also check ouy "Zodiac Collection," at the same w/s. , ashish dham <lifecomesfromlife> wrote: > > can someone put light on what is the purpose and benfis of 9 and 14mukhi rudraksha > karisprowl <karisprowl> wrote:Excellent advice! Thank you, sir. > > BTW-- Sometimes love charms work well, but they never work well in a > "controlling" way. I once had one, whose purpose was to help me become > more attuned to my lover's divinity. It worked. In the learning > process I broke up with him, but we remain the closest of friends. It > worked the way it was SUPPOSED to work. We still love and trust > eachother deeply, but in the way that is best for both of us. We have > both moved on to involvement with other people. > > Also, this is probably very cold comfort, but NOT getting the one you > want is often found to be the very best thing, a short while down the > road. > > I once was contacted by an old boyfriend, a couple of years after a > breakup. After I saw him, again, all I could think was to thank > God/dess/es that we didn't marry. > > > , "Sri Janaardana > Kalianandaswami Garu" <baba108@h...> wrote: > > Namaste > > > > Magic backfires big time - get a Gauri-Shankara - it will bring you > > union - leave the with who to the Gods - while your at it leave > > everything at God's feet > > > > Love baba > > > > > > > > > > , "Kirk" <kirk_bernhardt@c...> > > wrote: > > > The question about vashikarana and yantras brought up a good > > question about the function of 13 mukhi RR beads. That is, could > > they help bring back a partner after break up. The answer is no. > > The reason is that RR beads are manifestations of Shiva, as the God > > of Self Improvement. Self improvement is movement in the direction > > of greatest self sufficiency, and freedom from all limitations, even > > those which seem necessary like intense emotional relationships. > > > > > > Intense relationships, even where marriage was the purported goal, > > are not eternal, though good partnerships may last for a long time > > and even for many lifetimes, or yes, maybe even for hundreds or > > thousands of lifetimes. But they aren't eternal, and usually when > > one thinks, "They're my soulmate!" Or some other highly charged > > emotional response then it's really just a narcissistic self > > centered projection on the other person, in which case the > > relationship doesn't even exist but rather what does exist is just > > one's own imagination. In which case furthermore, what one is > > imagining is just some component of one's own self. In other words > > one is in love with oneself. Then the separation from the desired > > person is a blessing because you can now have an opportunity to find > > the desired qualities as part of your own persona, and not as "out > > there" somewhere in some other person. > > > > > > The quality of RR beads, their greatest quality is a sense of > > fulfillment, that just wearing them brings to the otherwise > > discontented mind. This is the next best thing to just being > > perfectly fine all by yourself. In tantra, one does yoga on a deity > > and learns to see that being everywhere in order to be liberated > > from ones own faults and habits - samskaras. One unifies with some > > deity to be removed from samskara or the endless cycle of bvirth and > > death, ie. change. RR beads are an easy way to maintain a higher > > identity throughout the day, by being in intimate contact with the > > chosen deity, who is revealed in the bead. It's a holy fetish of the > > Lord, if you will. The main purpose of which is to break up old > > negative life patterns, and bring better more beneficial karmas. In > > this way they are agents of salvation. > > > > > > The 13 mukhi bead should bring one the sense of fulfillment that > > exists inherently in one's own being. Yes, love can work like > > tantra. One can live a better life while engaged in higher > > emotional patterns. Perhaps if it is necessary then the 13 mukhi > > bead can clear what bad habits stand in the way of a real > > relationship. But Shiva is all about self sufficiency. > > > > > > I'll tell you this. The urge to dominate the partner which would > > give rise to the performance of vashikarana is probably the same > > ignorant drive and controlling tendency which drove the other person > > away in the first place. They say if you love it let it go. And > > holding a pretty flower too tight will destroy it. > > > > > > Enlightenment is worship of the feminine as the primordial state > > of self generated wisdom, that is, consciousness birthing awareness > > of itself as consciousness. The entire process is summed up in the > > samyama of Patanjali. That is to say, consciousness focuses on > > something. The point of focus when consciousness itself is Shiva. > > Consciousness focuses, and releases to come back on itself. This, > > while Shiva, is also Adiparashakti, the fullest version of self > > engendered satchidananda. The words don't well describe this union. > > However the point is that sahaj samadhi is the state of eternal self > > union of the buddhi in oneness. This is the state of fulfillment, > > and is the goal of the 13 mukhi bead. To that end, it is said they > > give 8 siddhis, and work on chemistry of body, producing soma, ojas, > > which supports unity consciousness. > > > > > > On the other hand, second to self union is union with another. So > > the dividing line is close regarding where true fulfillment lies. > > But this doesn't mean that wearing 13 mukhi beads will work like > > vashikarana. Vashikarana is working some lower tantra within some > > emotional and astral realms, realms pretty much destroyed in yogis. > > I have it that the astral and even causal bodies dissolve as ones > > karmas get burned through higher yogas and realizations. The most > > profound doctrines of tantra, the atiyoga tantras can transmute the > > physical body into lights. > > > > > > Rudraksha only come to them who have ceased to function in the > > astral and desire planes. Because they will only destroy those > > levels of the mind. I've said it before, if you just want to do > > black magic then do not wear RR, because it will destroy your > > ignorance faster than a gun. > > > > > > For those involved with yoga, RR are the greatest blessing because > > they draw the mind back to itself again and again quicker than when > > it's on its own. They therefore support faster growth towards > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have be > > > > - > > > > > > Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker > > [Non-text portions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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