Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 You either believe the scriptures or do not. I believe nothing - I know what has been revealed to me - scripture is the gift of the rishis - they should both be honored To believe something is pure non-sense - i.e. it makes no sense - if I tell you something you do not know and you believe me without this being revealed in your inner heart, you are a fool. The scriptures should be meditated upon and chanted - used as a guide, not a dictator - a man of God should answer questions put forward to him - most scriptures are questions and answers - lectures are just egos talking about what they know, for there own pleasure - pure chitta. The Sanatana Dharma is based upon the fact that if one person has done it - you can also do it - Not I know the way and you don't. Follow the directions and do it for yourself. We have no savior - we are responsble for our own salvation. The way to the Throne of God can be pointed to, but no one will carry you there - you must walk there yourself on your own. I told a poster that I was a Brahmin just to emphasize that I was NOT attacking the vegetarianism principle... I was an untouchable. The priest at the Hindu Temple of Hampton Roads, asked me if I would be invested with the sacred thread. He said it was the view of the Temple Elders and the Board that I should offered it. I meditated on it for sometime. I asked Shree Maa, Swami Satyananda Saraswati and several others that I hold in high respect their opinion. I accepted the honor and became a member of the Brahmin Caste. I am a strict vegetarian, no meat, no eggs, no alcohol. This makes me no better then anyone else in God's eyes. I wonder how you managed to learn all the scriputres. Who knows all the scriptures? Do you know them all? Have you read them all? What pundit has read, understood, meditated on all the scriptures and has been lucid in them? Who? I probably have to repeat "..my whole intention of the original posting was to get KNOWLEDGEABLE replies that would help me further my learning. Most knowledgeable folks in this group will undrstand, my apologies to the rest".. Most of you GURUS have come to US on religious grounds, for doing your religious duties. But you conveniently state that you dont have time to clarify doubts of lesser mortals. But you have all the time on earth to use your esteemed knowledge and lambast people and use abusive language. Your sattvic food eating habits dont seem to have worked, Sir. And by the way, as Jesus said "It is the person who is lost that needs guidance the most...". If everybody was as learned in the scriptures and as pious as you, then nobody will need folks like you, Sir. Except of course, if he/she enjoys abuse. May GOD have mercy on us all... -Vinayak this does not require an answer, being that you are lecturing us, as you know far better then we do how to run our personal sadhana - I fail to see the reason behind this post - I see the action , but not the reason. Love baba , "vs_raghuvamshi" <vs_raghuvamshi> wrote: > Greetings to this wonderful group full of learned souls. > > Though I was the original "troublesome" poster, I myself have been > confused by the replies I Got. > > I told a poster that I was a Brahmin just to emphasize that I was > NOT attacking the vegetarianism principle... But this poster > questions someone else who had a SEX doubt about, his Gothra... And > then goes on to say "I dont believe in caste...". By the way, the > caste system is part of our scriptures too. You either believe the > scriptures or do not. Dont cut and copy just parts that are > convenient to you. > > Except for a couple of people, this group is full of Egoistic people > driven solely by their sentiments. You guys cannot follow a simple > thread of discussion in a newsgroup, I wonder how you managed to > learn all the scriputres. > > I probably have to repeat "..my whole intention of the original > posting was to get KNOWLEDGEABLE replies that would help me further > my learning. Most knowledgeable folks in this group will undrstand, > my apologies to the rest".. > > Most of you GURUS have come to US on religious grounds, for doing > your religious duties. But you conveniently state that you dont have > time to clarify doubts of lesser mortals. But you have all the time > on earth to use your esteemed knowledge and lambast people and use > abusive language. Your sattvic food eating habits dont seem to have > worked, Sir. And by the way, as Jesus said "It is the person who is > lost that needs guidance the most...". If everybody was as learned > in the scriptures and as pious as you, then nobody will need folks > like you, Sir. Except of course, if he/she enjoys abuse. > > May GOD have mercy on us all... > > -Vinayak > > > , "ShiningLotus" > <shininglotus@c...> wrote: > > Dear Tomji > > > > Need to apologize to you and all the list members in public > because I mixed your name up with person who actually is the one who > is causeing some concern with his odd postings > > > > Would be good if I could slow down a little and make the > differentiation between the person who is posting and commenting on > a message included from another person > > > > Goning to fast here and am totally apologizeing to you that I > placed your name on this message. You are an extrmely balanced > person and I have been enjoying your Knowledge especially learning > from you about stringing the Malas > > > > If I can be of service to you in any way please do not hesitate to > contact me and I would be pleased to speak with you as this is a > horrible mistake and I am totally sorry > > > > I look forward to hearing from you at length as I am responsible > for repairing the Malas in the US when they happen to break and it > is always good to hear new ideas for better implementation and repair > > > > There is no way I can make up for this mistake on my part except > to say I wish I would have placed the correct name on the message > > > > I will try to maintain more silence and look at messages a little > more closely in the future > > > > Am apologizeing to Babaji and the rest of the group as am sure > they are wondering what planet I was on that I could not plainly see > you were not the one makeing the comments > > > > Looks like am still subject to the human condition > > > > Thanks and Take Care My Friend > > > > DharmaDev Arya > > > > Tomgull <tomgull@e...> > > > > > Friday, September 06, 2002 9:10 AM > > Re: Food habits of a > devotee > > > > > > For the point of discussion, here are my responses: > > > > > First of all, I am not sure how authentic this text is and find > it > > > quite baseless. Unfortunately, Hindus by nature tend to believe > in > > > anything that is said to be a "Scripture".... > > > > Many psuedo-Hindus (Includes New Age, Metaphysics, etc.) tend to > > discredit "scriptures" rather quickly, too. No offense to you. > > > > > > > 1. This scripture says that a Rudraksha represents the supreme > GOD > > > himeself. In that case, why does it prescribe those fancy > numbers > > of > > > Rudrakshas to be worn on all parts of the body. If a Rudraksha > is a > > > form of the Supreme, then just one should do. One GOD, one > > Rudraksha. > > > > All deities are the Supreme God himself, but usually aren't > > worshipped as such except when the deity is seen as the ishta- > > devata. In most of your major divisions (Vaishnavas, Shaivites, > > Shaktas, etc.) each proclaim their god to be the most supreme over > > the others. The numbers just show their effects. I'm sure in > the > > old days, there wasn't so much of a choice or market for them. > > > > > > > 2. The numbers presented are so wierd, and contradict many other > > > texts that forbid wearing the Rudraksha on the wrists. > > > This "scripture" looks more like a sales pitch for the Rudraksha > > > Industry :-) > > > > What are the other texts about the wearing of Rudraksha? Please > > give some examples of the differences. About the sales pitch, > this > > scripture seems to have been around before the modern increased > > interest in the beads. Remember that the scripture is designed > for > > Rudra worshippers, hence the prescribed daily reading of it in the > > phalasruti, like any other stotra. I didn't see where it said > wear > > them on the wrists, so I'm assuming it's referring to wearing them > > where you'd wear the armlets (just above the elbow, and just below > > topmost muscle on the arm). On another website, I saw talk about > > wearing 3 4-mukhi beads on the right wrist for intelligence. The > > right wrist is also specificed for yantra wearing, as an > alternative > > to around the neck, for Tantriks. > > > > > 3. About the eating habits, I agree with another poster, the > Chef > > > friend's views. The scriptures were written in a different age > for > > a > > > totally different life scenario. We need some Guru and some > Modern > > > day scriptures to guide us through this Kali Yugh. We cannot > > survive > > > by just eating Sattvic food because every body, including > Brahmins > > > have to compete with all types of people and work hard to just > > > survive. This is not the age where one can eat just sattvic > food, > > > and spend time only on devotion - the other animals will eat you > in > > > no time... Unless ofcourse, you are either famous or very rich > and > > > dont have to worry about monetary things. > > > > > > > I agree, but there is credit to eating sattvic food for focusing > on > > God or attaining a calm mind. In an ashram setting even in > America, > > there really is no need to eat meat or rajasic foods, and meat and > > garlic, etc. does increase heat in the body and can create > > restlessness, and increase the sex drive. Try eating only > > vegetarian food that you yourself have cooked for a few weeks, > then > > eat out or eat some meat. You'll see the difference. Eating > > habits also depend on your geographic area and climate, and > general > > lifestyle. Scriptures just give the ideal to strive for, not to > > adopt strictly for the rest of your life. > > > > > We need some guidance on how to be a devotee and at the same > time, > > > maintain our ability to survive in this earth. > > > > I've gotten most of my advice from Ammachi (Mata Amritanandamayi), > > who encourages vegetarian eating, but understands the > exceptions. > > Not all of her devotees do, however. Being a devotee of God > doesn't > > require any diet restrictions at all. It does matter what path > you > > choose to practice, and whether or not your desire is simply to be > a > > devotee or to reach Realization, liberation, etc. It comes > down > > to your diet affecting your mind set, not necessarily a sin. The > > times when I can't eat meat, I don't because even seeing it, I > feel > > like it's still alive. Other times my mindset determines whether > I > > eat something bland like MooGoo Gai Pan (chinese food) or if I'm > > having problems with co-workers, it may be something sour like > Lemon > > Chicken (no vegetables). > > > > There are ideal diets for each path and even deities. For > example, > > eating meat would seemingly be ok for a worshipper of left-hand > > Tantric deities like Dhumavati or Bagalamukhi who eat meat. > Eating > > meat as a Krishna devotee wouldn't be "ideal" (especially to a > > Vaishnavite traditionalist), but would still be ok depending on > your > > reasons for eating meat and/or the depth of your devotion (how > much > > your mind is towards God during the day). > > > > I've also never seen any other color rudrakshas than the common > > reddish-brown variety, however there are some that I have that > > appear blackish. I'm tempted to string some in white thread as > it > > says, just to see if I like it. > > > > just my thoughts, > > tom > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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