Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 OM NAMAH SIVAYA your response is sincerely appreciated. i agree with you logic, concepts and words can't truly explain Divine Mother. they are but imperfect representations of perceptions and intentions mixed with Truth. they keep our minds busy while the real communication takes place. my intented meaning in things only having the power given to them is also in the context of recursiveness. we have the power of our perspective. we can see thru our ego or thru Mother. isn't our ego what makes things personal? does Divine Mother have opinions? She and i are two mirrors facing each other, One perfectly polished (Divine Mother), the second mirror (me) is not. except for the initial reflection all other reflections will be tainted. i can only hope to see/be the perfect reflection by cleaning my own mirror thru sadhana and Grace of Mother. to me your Love for Guru and Divine Mother is also this reflection, because Divine Mother and Guru are the Pure Love we feel and we are attempting to reflect it back to Her. Divine Mother/Guru is Pure Love and also our very Self. The word killing does not upset me but it seems once we realize this fact, God, Guru, Self are One, if we truly Love Her we could never kill or harm anyone/any thing. we can only Be the Love She Is. -eric JAI MA , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > On 4/27/06, ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us wrote: > > > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > > > i am new to this group and this is my first time posting. please > > excuse me if i am writing out of place. > > Hey ecjensen > Welcome aboard. No you are not writing out of place. You are questioning, > which means you are thinking, analysing and contemplating.. which is good, > until you reach a state where logic dont make any sense... > > you write about the > > recursiveness of being upset with the paintings.... and if someone > > says bad things of your guru you should kill them? > > > Absolutely. Now if I throw every else out of the window, then as per to > Vedic system, its a sin to listen to any bad stuff about your Guru. And I > like that rule. Take Arjun. He would get very upset if anything wrong was to > be said about this Guru. When giving his introduction he would only say "I > am Arjun, Deciple of Guru Dronacharya ". The respect for your guru should be > at a level which is beyond most people comprehension, at least thats what I > have noted as my respect for my guru comes from seeing how my Gurus > respected their Gurus and so forth.. > > is everything > > not Divine Mother and recursive? > > > Absolutely. But then I can argue if everything is Divine Mother, then why > did you get upset at the word killing.. ITs just death... so what if I die > or anyone else.. heck we will have to come again.. unless rescued by our > Guru... So by your own statement regarding killing is void based on the > same line you have said... And thats what I mean by recursive.. > > don't the things being reflected > > to us only have the power that we give them? > > > Dont know what you exactly mean by this line.. but there is no me.. Neither > I have power nor I give power to any thing, though or action. ITs all > mother.. SHE is the ONE. There is no me, there is no Hussain. I strictly > believe that the day she gets upset, at her first though forget hussain, the > world will be destroyed. The above line is not based on what other says or > what I have read, but solely on what I have myself experienced...or SHE has > made me experiance.. > > it seems a devotee > > would laugh at disrespect to the Divine Mother or Guru as they are > > beyond disrespect. in fact is the disrespect not also Divine Mother > > as well? > > > Giving benefit of doubt, to your theory, I can say may be there are some > folks who do that.. As far as I am concerned.. may be I am not that matured, > that I would listen to it... and laugh... At least I would prefer to walk > away then to listen... > > please help me if my understanding is erroneous. -eric > > > I tried my best.. And my dear friend there is nothing right and nothing > wrong. Something can be right to one person and may be completley wrong to > another person. Its kind of personal. The more you want to lean (which seems > quite a bit in your) the more you grow... Perhaps my understanding is > erroneous.. or perhaps yours.. or both are.. or perhaps both are correct in > one way or another. What I have tried to said above is not driven by hatered > or anger, its just out of my love for my Gurudev, my Mother... > > Jai Shree Gurudev.. > Jai Mata Di. > Dp > > > JAI MA > > > > > > > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" > > <dpal.singh@> wrote: > > > > > > On 4/27/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DP, > > > > > > > > Had to say this ..... :-) > > > > > > > > > I am glad you commented.. > > > > > > It is not weakness or carelessness that causes a person following > > the Hindu > > > > tradition to chillzzz ... the goal is perceived differently. > > See how many > > > > "religions" have come and gone. The strength is in tolerance. > > > > > > > > > Agreed 100%. But then allow me to give arguments for and against > > myself. > > > And as far as tolerance is, I would not at all be upset it he was > > making > > > nude/bad picutres of me. Thats whould would I say tolerance is. > > But then its > > > about my Mother. So I have every right to be upset. Just as she > > gets upset > > > when anyone tries to hurt me, and off course protects me. > > > Now My Mother has the right to overrule and say its okay and I > > should be > > > calm, which she does mostly, and I shall comply. So its kind of re- > > cursive > > > in itself. > > > It is said that if anyone says bad things about your guru either > > A) you > > > should kill him (my favourite) or B) Leave that place(what I > > always do). My > > > Mother is on one of my Guru and she has taught me a lot. so you > > can fill in > > > the rest... > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Dp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Thanks > Dp > [The force is feminine in nature] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 OM NAMAH SIVAYA thank you this exercise has taught me a great deal. Mother works thru you. She tells me to not engage in idle discussion of Her as it proves nothing because there is nothing to prove, as we each have our own path. rather spend the effort on polishing my own mirror as only That will bring peace. She says focusing on others faults or having anger is like using the sword with no handle. see only the good in others it will lift our Self as well them, as we are all One. JAI MA , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > See my idea of going through this exercise is that either you will be > learning something out of it or I will be.. So its kind of being a little > selfish.. > > Now regarding the question does Divine Mother have opinions? > > A) The plane at which My Mother/ My Master and other highly evolved people > live/exist (for the sake of words and argument) is very different then on > which I exists. Till I dont elevate my self to that plane, I really cant say > anything and even if I do I they would be only > "best guesses". The rules/regulation of that plane (I can assume safely) > can/will be very different... may it be that there are no rules on that > plane.. > > B) Once A has been said, there are couple of things I have experienced > personally, one of which I will write in another email sometime soon.. > > In the last line you have mentioned.. > "if we truly Love Her we could never kill or harm anyone/any thing" > > A) You still think killing is bad... which is good, at least now... but as > per to "vama margi" (left wing) in tantra, there is no difference in killing > and giving birth, as the person has moved to the elevated plane where rules > don't exist... It doesn't matter what he/she does. There is nothing good or > bad, as least as per to my preliminary understanding/reading of tantra. > > B) I can also say, what if mother wants me to have this thought, then what? > I would also like to point you to gita, where Arjuna said I cant kill my > relatives and Lord Krishna said, what makes you think you can ever kill.. > Its me who is going to do that, Kauravas are already dead, you are here to > be the vehicle of this, and take the fame, nothing more than that. If you > don't do it, it will still happen. (in short). > > Anyway, My 2 cents.. > > Thanks and Regards > Dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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