Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Dear Pandit Tataji, Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated again by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse... The translation : The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is eclipsed. The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit (viparita-phala). For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury, Yellow Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn, Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and others. Best rgds, Richard Richard Shaw-Brown, PG Designer & Gemologist http://www.richardshawbrown.com http://www.agt-gems.com http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com http://www.themisunderstood.com http://www.hrisikesh.com http://www.hrisikesh.net http://www.p-g-a.org http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net http://www.generalprem.com http://www.navaratna-museum.info http://www.sacred-objects.info sacred-objects/ planetary-gemology/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Attachment: (image/jpeg) narada-purana.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/jpeg) mani-mala-slokas.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Dear Richardji, Thank you for your kind words. I have visited your excellent sites several times and admired both the presentation and write-ups. I do not believe in gem stones as astrological remedy as I could not find any scriptural base to go by. My arguments are given at http://www.astrojyoti.com/articleongems.htm However I do like them and admire them for their beauty and decorative value. I deeply appreciate your sending me the quotes from Naradiya Purana. Mani mala is by one Mr. Tagore, belonging to the late 19th century and not a scripture. I’ll check in depth about Naradiya Purana information you have provided and get back to you on this. I am open minded and willing to accept proof once I have authentic information. Thanks for the new Dakshinavarti pictures. I have added them on my site. Soon I intend to provide bigger pictures of all these Holy Shankhas on my site. I am grateful to you for giving a link to my site. I have just added a link to your site at http://www.astrojyoti.com/astrologylinks.htm You’ll have to excuse me for being a bit slow in reciprocating as mine is a one man site – a mad Pundits effort to give authentic info to people and fight the fraud hypes who are bringing a bad name to astrology. Regarding the PGA – with the support and blessings of well wishers like you my site has won several awards and appreciation. They have recently awarded my site the Pancha Ratna award. Just goes to show that there are some very broadminded gemologists!! Thanks and regards Pandit S.P.Tata > > Dear Pandit Tataji, > > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated again > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse... > > The translation : > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is > eclipsed. > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit > (viparita-phala). > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury, Yellow > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn, > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. > > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and > others. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG > Designer & Gemologist > http://www.richardshawbrown.com > http://www.agt-gems.com > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com > http://www.themisunderstood.com > http://www.hrisikesh.com > http://www.hrisikesh.net > http://www.p-g-a.org > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net > http://www.generalprem.com > http://www.navaratna-museum.info > http://www.sacred-objects.info > sacred-objects/ > planetary-gemology/ > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Dear Richardji, This is regarding the Gem recommendation given in the Naradiya Puranam. Yes it is quite authentic and there is no doubt about the translation by the renowned Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri. Let me make things clear so that there are no misunderstandings. 1)I am not against gems or gemologists. Gems are beautiful and the gemologists are the gem experts. I have bought various gems for my wife and I am happy with the gems and with the gemologist who gave them. So I do not "disparage gems" as you have put it. But I am dead against the fraudulent astrologers who know nothing about remedies but prescribe several stones to make money. 2)Sarvam Brahmamayam - or everything is Divine and sacred. So I see Lord Vishnu in the Saligrama ring I wear, I see Goddess Lakshmi in the Valampuri and I see Lord Rudra in the Rudrakshas I wear. It is not necessary to have a carved stone or a printed photograph. If some one wants to see Sun God in the Ruby he wears I'll say by all means why not. But if he thinks that the stone will change his destiny, I'll say sorry, because its not so easy to please God or change destiny. 2)Gems are prescribed in several Vedic astrology scriptures for keeping in the Pooja of various planets. They are also prescribed as a Dana in various astrological remedies. They are also used in several Ayurvedic preparations. However Vedic astrology scriptures have not prescribed the wearing of gems as a remedy anywhere. The Brihat Parasara Horasastra by Rishi Parasara prescribes a lot of remedies but doesn't prescribe wearing of gems as remedy. The same with the other authentic Vedic astrology scriptures written by other sages like Jaimini, Garga, Varahamihira etc. These highly evolved Rishis knew all the scriptures like the Vedas and Puranas, including the Narada Purana, but ignored the gems as a remedy and prescribed only Poojas and recital of mantras and Stotras plus Dana. 3)While practicing a profession, a fellow learns from and follows the prescribed, authentic, specialized texts of that profession. After that he will also study a few related secondary texts but the primary text remains the principle authority. In my case I follow the accepted Vedic astrology texts. Because the remedies involve Poojas, mantras, Stotras and several other rituals, I also study the other related scriptures like the Vedas, Gita, Puranas, Mantra Sastra etc. to gain more knowledge about these rituals but the texts I follow for astrology are the astrology texts. 4)The Indian scriptures fall into two categories. A) The 5 Primary scriptures - i.The Vedas & Upanishadas, ii. The Bhagavad Gita, iii. The Brahma Sutras, iv. Manu Sutras, v. Patanjali Yoga Sutras. These contain most of the remedial Poojas and rituals of Hinduism. Gems are not prescribed for wearing as remedy in the Vedas or in the other principle scriptures. B)The secondary scriptures - They are the Puranas and other scriptures. It is not possible for every one to grasp the higher philosophic depth of the major scriptures. Hence the great Adi Shankaracharya said that the Vedas etc. principle scriptures are for the intelligent & intellectuals who can grasp the in-depth meaning, practice them and teach them, where as the Puranas etc are for the average common man who is either semi literate or illiterate. The Puranas explain the religious and social doctrines in a simple to understand manner with the help of several parable like stories. Apart from that they also give a very detailed account of the various Gods and Goddesses, their incarnations, teachings, stotras etc. They provide us with the mythological stories associated with Hinduism. The Puranas also contain a few stories and lines which are meant to put the fear of God into the average village bumpkin's heart so that he follows all the rules without failing. There are plenty of stories in the Puranas like - "She promised to perform a Devi Pooja but forgot...So Devi sank the ship of her husband . she had a nightmare, remembered and performed the Pooja and a whale lifted up the sinking ship and the husband came home!" The Shiva Purana says the following about the Rudrakshas - "If you see a man wearing Rudrakshas, you must prostrate at his feet. or you will go to hell." Well, if you come to the Hanuman Temple at Delhi, you'll find 250 sadhus wearing Rudrakshas and by the time you finish prostrating 250 times you'll have a slipped disc! So while I have learned a lot from the Puranas, there are a few things which I don't agree, because several things applicable during the Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga are not applicable now. So in conclusion I'll say that I don't believe in gems as an astrological remedy because the texts of my profession don't acknowledge gems as a remedial measure. After that - of all the hundreds of Indian scriptures, if there is just one verse in one Narada Purana which says wear ruby etc. to please Sun etc., I take it with a pinch of salt. Everything in this world, both the living and the non living, emits some positive vibrations and some negative vibrations called "spandana" and so do the gems. But no one knows on what basis to prescribe them. Is it for the flaws in the Birth chart, or for bad Dasas, or for bad transits, or for a specific purpose? Suppose Saturn is bad in a chart. You want to prescribe a gem for it. What about the lagna wise malefics and benefics? And what about the rasi analysis and the badhaka lords? Suppose Saturn is bad for your lagna but good for your rasi? Do we prescribe or not? There are no laid down scriptural rules. Apart from that, as we know each planet has its positive effects and its negative effects - in every sign and in every house. Suppose a planet by nature or situation is good for profession and bad for children. If the corresponding gem is prescribed and the planet becomes stronger, suppose he gets a promotion but his child dies?? No one knows how to control the positive and negative factors. I have discussed this with several gem-prescribing "pundits" and no one could come up with a proper answer. All our kings used to wear loads of gems prescribed by their pundits and all of them were beaten black and blue by every foreign invader from Alexander to the British!! As a remedy I ask people to worship the concerned planet and its ruling deity. The best worship is the do it yourself Pooja or Stotra/Mantra recital. If one cannot do it then get it done by a good Vedic priest. I do prescribe Rudrakshas. But I tell people clearly that various Mukhis represent various deities and every time it touches your chest you remember the deity and that's what improves. You can read what I say on my site here> http://www.astrojyoti.com/rudrakshasanddeities.htm Similarly if an astrologer prescribing a gemstone tells "Diamond is for Venus, whose ruler is Devi. So every time it touches your finger or your eyes fall on it, think of HER" I'll say hats of to him. But they don't say that. They simply say "wear a Neelam and Shani dosha will be cured" Normally I ignore these gem arguments and explanations. I am giving a detailed reply because I respect you as a gemologist and as a religious person. I hope you'll respect my point of view. With regards Pandit S.P.Tata - "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 <sptata; <sacred-objects> Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM Sri Naradiya Purana on Planetary Gemology > Dear Pandit Tataji, > > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated again > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse... > > The translation : > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is > eclipsed. > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit > (viparita-phala). > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury, Yellow > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn, > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. > > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and > others. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG > Designer & Gemologist > http://www.richardshawbrown.com > http://www.agt-gems.com > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com > http://www.themisunderstood.com > http://www.hrisikesh.com > http://www.hrisikesh.net > http://www.p-g-a.org > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net > http://www.generalprem.com > http://www.navaratna-museum.info > http://www.sacred-objects.info > sacred-objects/ > planetary-gemology/ > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > Links > > > > > -- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 HI MR S.P TATA YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT A SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A COMMON MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET IT RECITED BY PANDITS. 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND THEY CANNOT BE CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT WAS POSSIBLE IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE MONEY OF THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT? WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT IS EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE IS SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY IS FAR FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO BE SMART TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND HEPLING PEOPLE OUT. sacred-objects, <sptata wrote: > > Dear Richardji, > > This is regarding the Gem recommendation given in the Naradiya Puranam. > > > > Yes it is quite authentic and there is no doubt about the translation by the > renowned Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri. > > > > Let me make things clear so that there are no misunderstandings. > > 1)I am not against gems or gemologists. Gems are beautiful and the > gemologists are the gem experts. I have bought various gems for my wife and > I am happy with the gems and with the gemologist who gave them. So I do not > "disparage gems" as you have put it. But I am dead against the fraudulent > astrologers who know nothing about remedies but prescribe several stones to > make money. > > > > 2)Sarvam Brahmamayam - or everything is Divine and sacred. So I see Lord > Vishnu in the Saligrama ring I wear, I see Goddess Lakshmi in the Valampuri > and I see Lord Rudra in the Rudrakshas I wear. It is not necessary to have a > carved stone or a printed photograph. If some one wants to see Sun God in > the Ruby he wears I'll say by all means why not. But if he thinks that the > stone will change his destiny, I'll say sorry, because its not so easy to > please God or change destiny. > > > > 2)Gems are prescribed in several Vedic astrology scriptures for keeping in > the Pooja of various planets. They are also prescribed as a Dana in various > astrological remedies. They are also used in several Ayurvedic preparations. > However Vedic astrology scriptures have not prescribed the wearing of gems > as a remedy anywhere. The Brihat Parasara Horasastra by Rishi Parasara > prescribes a lot of remedies but doesn't prescribe wearing of gems as > remedy. The same with the other authentic Vedic astrology scriptures written > by other sages like Jaimini, Garga, Varahamihira etc. These highly evolved > Rishis knew all the scriptures like the Vedas and Puranas, including the > Narada Purana, but ignored the gems as a remedy and prescribed only Poojas > and recital of mantras and Stotras plus Dana. > > > > 3)While practicing a profession, a fellow learns from and follows the > prescribed, authentic, specialized texts of that profession. After that he > will also study a few related secondary texts but the primary text remains > the principle authority. In my case I follow the accepted Vedic astrology > texts. Because the remedies involve Poojas, mantras, Stotras and several > other rituals, I also study the other related scriptures like the Vedas, > Gita, Puranas, Mantra Sastra etc. to gain more knowledge about these rituals > but the texts I follow for astrology are the astrology texts. > > > > 4)The Indian scriptures fall into two categories. > > A) The 5 Primary scriptures - i.The Vedas & Upanishadas, ii. The Bhagavad > Gita, iii. The Brahma Sutras, iv. Manu Sutras, v. Patanjali Yoga Sutras. > These contain most of the remedial Poojas and rituals of Hinduism. Gems are > not prescribed for wearing as remedy in the Vedas or in the other principle > scriptures. > > B)The secondary scriptures - They are the Puranas and other scriptures. It > is not possible for every one to grasp the higher philosophic depth of the > major scriptures. Hence the great Adi Shankaracharya said that the Vedas > etc. principle scriptures are for the intelligent & intellectuals who can > grasp the in-depth meaning, practice them and teach them, where as the > Puranas etc are for the average common man who is either semi literate or > illiterate. The Puranas explain the religious and social doctrines in a > simple to understand manner with the help of several parable like stories. > Apart from that they also give a very detailed account of the various Gods > and Goddesses, their incarnations, teachings, stotras etc. They provide us > with the mythological stories associated with Hinduism. The Puranas also > contain a few stories and lines which are meant to put the fear of God into > the average village bumpkin's heart so that he follows all the rules without > failing. There are plenty of stories in the Puranas like - "She promised to > perform a Devi Pooja but forgot...So Devi sank the ship of her husband . she > had a nightmare, remembered and performed the Pooja and a whale lifted up > the sinking ship and the husband came home!" The Shiva Purana says the > following about the Rudrakshas - "If you see a man wearing Rudrakshas, you > must prostrate at his feet. or you will go to hell." Well, if you come to > the Hanuman Temple at Delhi, you'll find 250 sadhus wearing Rudrakshas and > by the time you finish prostrating 250 times you'll have a slipped disc! > > > > So while I have learned a lot from the Puranas, there are a few things which > I don't agree, because several things applicable during the Dwapara Yuga and > Treta Yuga are not applicable now. > > > > So in conclusion I'll say that I don't believe in gems as an astrological > remedy because the texts of my profession don't acknowledge gems as a > remedial measure. After that - of all the hundreds of Indian scriptures, if > there is just one verse in one Narada Purana which says wear ruby etc. to > please Sun etc., I take it with a pinch of salt. > > > > Everything in this world, both the living and the non living, emits some > positive vibrations and some negative vibrations called "spandana" and so do > the gems. But no one knows on what basis to prescribe them. Is it for the > flaws in the Birth chart, or for bad Dasas, or for bad transits, or for a > specific purpose? Suppose Saturn is bad in a chart. You want to prescribe a > gem for it. What about the lagna wise malefics and benefics? And what about > the rasi analysis and the badhaka lords? Suppose Saturn is bad for your > lagna but good for your rasi? Do we prescribe or not? There are no laid down > scriptural rules. > > > > Apart from that, as we know each planet has its positive effects and its > negative effects - in every sign and in every house. Suppose a planet by > nature or situation is good for profession and bad for children. If the > corresponding gem is prescribed and the planet becomes stronger, suppose he > gets a promotion but his child dies?? No one knows how to control the > positive and negative factors. I have discussed this with several > gem-prescribing "pundits" and no one could come up with a proper answer. > > > > All our kings used to wear loads of gems prescribed by their pundits and all > of them were beaten black and blue by every foreign invader from Alexander > to the British!! > > > > As a remedy I ask people to worship the concerned planet and its ruling > deity. The best worship is the do it yourself Pooja or Stotra/Mantra > recital. If one cannot do it then get it done by a good Vedic priest. > > > > I do prescribe Rudrakshas. But I tell people clearly that various Mukhis > represent various deities and every time it touches your chest you remember > the deity and that's what improves. You can read what I say on my site > here> http://www.astrojyoti.com/rudrakshasanddeities.htm > > > > Similarly if an astrologer prescribing a gemstone tells "Diamond is for > Venus, whose ruler is Devi. So every time it touches your finger or your > eyes fall on it, think of HER" I'll say hats of to him. But they don't say > that. They simply say "wear a Neelam and Shani dosha will be cured" > > > > Normally I ignore these gem arguments and explanations. I am giving a > detailed reply because I respect you as a gemologist and as a religious > person. I hope you'll respect my point of view. > > > > With regards > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > - > "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 > <sptata; <sacred-objects> > Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM > Sri Naradiya Purana on Planetary Gemology > > > > Dear Pandit Tataji, > > > > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, > > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given > > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated again > > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is > > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse... > > > > The translation : > > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is > > eclipsed. > > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate > > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit > > (viparita-phala). > > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby > > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury, Yellow > > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn, > > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. > > > > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri > > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology > > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including > > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is > > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created > > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and > > others. > > > > Best rgds, > > Richard > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG > > Designer & Gemologist > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com > > http://www.agt-gems.com > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com > > http://www.themisunderstood.com > > http://www.hrisikesh.com > > http://www.hrisikesh.net > > http://www.p-g-a.org > > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net > > http://www.generalprem.com > > http://www.navaratna-museum.info > > http://www.sacred-objects.info > > sacred-objects/ > > planetary-gemology/ > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Dear Deepak, I am happy with my faith in God. You be happy with your smartness. Regards Pandit S.P.Tata > HI MR S.P TATA > > YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT A > SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A COMMON > MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET IT > RECITED BY PANDITS. 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND > THEY CANNOT BE CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT > WAS POSSIBLE IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE > MONEY OF THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT > PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT? > > WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS > THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT IS > EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE IS > SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY IS FAR > FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO BE SMART > TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND HEPLING > PEOPLE OUT. > > > sacred-objects, <sptata wrote: >> >> Dear Richardji, >> >> This is regarding the Gem recommendation given in the Naradiya Puranam. >> >> >> >> Yes it is quite authentic and there is no doubt about the > translation by the >> renowned Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri. >> >> >> >> Let me make things clear so that there are no misunderstandings. >> >> 1)I am not against gems or gemologists. Gems are beautiful and the >> gemologists are the gem experts. I have bought various gems for my > wife and >> I am happy with the gems and with the gemologist who gave them. So I > do not >> "disparage gems" as you have put it. But I am dead against the > fraudulent >> astrologers who know nothing about remedies but prescribe several > stones to >> make money. >> >> >> >> 2)Sarvam Brahmamayam - or everything is Divine and sacred. So I see > Lord >> Vishnu in the Saligrama ring I wear, I see Goddess Lakshmi in the > Valampuri >> and I see Lord Rudra in the Rudrakshas I wear. It is not necessary > to have a >> carved stone or a printed photograph. If some one wants to see Sun > God in >> the Ruby he wears I'll say by all means why not. But if he thinks > that the >> stone will change his destiny, I'll say sorry, because its not so > easy to >> please God or change destiny. >> >> >> >> 2)Gems are prescribed in several Vedic astrology scriptures for > keeping in >> the Pooja of various planets. They are also prescribed as a Dana in > various >> astrological remedies. They are also used in several Ayurvedic > preparations. >> However Vedic astrology scriptures have not prescribed the wearing > of gems >> as a remedy anywhere. The Brihat Parasara Horasastra by Rishi Parasara >> prescribes a lot of remedies but doesn't prescribe wearing of gems as >> remedy. The same with the other authentic Vedic astrology scriptures > written >> by other sages like Jaimini, Garga, Varahamihira etc. These highly > evolved >> Rishis knew all the scriptures like the Vedas and Puranas, including > the >> Narada Purana, but ignored the gems as a remedy and prescribed only > Poojas >> and recital of mantras and Stotras plus Dana. >> >> >> >> 3)While practicing a profession, a fellow learns from and follows the >> prescribed, authentic, specialized texts of that profession. After > that he >> will also study a few related secondary texts but the primary text > remains >> the principle authority. In my case I follow the accepted Vedic > astrology >> texts. Because the remedies involve Poojas, mantras, Stotras and > several >> other rituals, I also study the other related scriptures like the > Vedas, >> Gita, Puranas, Mantra Sastra etc. to gain more knowledge about these > rituals >> but the texts I follow for astrology are the astrology texts. >> >> >> >> 4)The Indian scriptures fall into two categories. >> >> A) The 5 Primary scriptures - i.The Vedas & Upanishadas, ii. The > Bhagavad >> Gita, iii. The Brahma Sutras, iv. Manu Sutras, v. Patanjali Yoga > Sutras. >> These contain most of the remedial Poojas and rituals of Hinduism. > Gems are >> not prescribed for wearing as remedy in the Vedas or in the other > principle >> scriptures. >> >> B)The secondary scriptures - They are the Puranas and other > scriptures. It >> is not possible for every one to grasp the higher philosophic depth > of the >> major scriptures. Hence the great Adi Shankaracharya said that the > Vedas >> etc. principle scriptures are for the intelligent & intellectuals > who can >> grasp the in-depth meaning, practice them and teach them, where as the >> Puranas etc are for the average common man who is either semi > literate or >> illiterate. The Puranas explain the religious and social doctrines in a >> simple to understand manner with the help of several parable like > stories. >> Apart from that they also give a very detailed account of the > various Gods >> and Goddesses, their incarnations, teachings, stotras etc. They > provide us >> with the mythological stories associated with Hinduism. The Puranas > also >> contain a few stories and lines which are meant to put the fear of > God into >> the average village bumpkin's heart so that he follows all the rules > without >> failing. There are plenty of stories in the Puranas like - "She > promised to >> perform a Devi Pooja but forgot...So Devi sank the ship of her > husband . she >> had a nightmare, remembered and performed the Pooja and a whale > lifted up >> the sinking ship and the husband came home!" The Shiva Purana says the >> following about the Rudrakshas - "If you see a man wearing > Rudrakshas, you >> must prostrate at his feet. or you will go to hell." Well, if you > come to >> the Hanuman Temple at Delhi, you'll find 250 sadhus wearing > Rudrakshas and >> by the time you finish prostrating 250 times you'll have a slipped disc! >> >> >> >> So while I have learned a lot from the Puranas, there are a few > things which >> I don't agree, because several things applicable during the Dwapara > Yuga and >> Treta Yuga are not applicable now. >> >> >> >> So in conclusion I'll say that I don't believe in gems as an > astrological >> remedy because the texts of my profession don't acknowledge gems as a >> remedial measure. After that - of all the hundreds of Indian > scriptures, if >> there is just one verse in one Narada Purana which says wear ruby > etc. to >> please Sun etc., I take it with a pinch of salt. >> >> >> >> Everything in this world, both the living and the non living, emits > some >> positive vibrations and some negative vibrations called "spandana" > and so do >> the gems. But no one knows on what basis to prescribe them. Is it > for the >> flaws in the Birth chart, or for bad Dasas, or for bad transits, or > for a >> specific purpose? Suppose Saturn is bad in a chart. You want to > prescribe a >> gem for it. What about the lagna wise malefics and benefics? And > what about >> the rasi analysis and the badhaka lords? Suppose Saturn is bad for your >> lagna but good for your rasi? Do we prescribe or not? There are no > laid down >> scriptural rules. >> >> >> >> Apart from that, as we know each planet has its positive effects and > its >> negative effects - in every sign and in every house. Suppose a > planet by >> nature or situation is good for profession and bad for children. If the >> corresponding gem is prescribed and the planet becomes stronger, > suppose he >> gets a promotion but his child dies?? No one knows how to control the >> positive and negative factors. I have discussed this with several >> gem-prescribing "pundits" and no one could come up with a proper answer. >> >> >> >> All our kings used to wear loads of gems prescribed by their pundits > and all >> of them were beaten black and blue by every foreign invader from > Alexander >> to the British!! >> >> >> >> As a remedy I ask people to worship the concerned planet and its ruling >> deity. The best worship is the do it yourself Pooja or Stotra/Mantra >> recital. If one cannot do it then get it done by a good Vedic priest. >> >> >> >> I do prescribe Rudrakshas. But I tell people clearly that various > Mukhis >> represent various deities and every time it touches your chest you > remember >> the deity and that's what improves. You can read what I say on my site >> here> http://www.astrojyoti.com/rudrakshasanddeities.htm >> >> >> >> Similarly if an astrologer prescribing a gemstone tells "Diamond is for >> Venus, whose ruler is Devi. So every time it touches your finger or > your >> eyes fall on it, think of HER" I'll say hats of to him. But they > don't say >> that. They simply say "wear a Neelam and Shani dosha will be cured" >> >> >> >> Normally I ignore these gem arguments and explanations. I am giving a >> detailed reply because I respect you as a gemologist and as a religious >> person. I hope you'll respect my point of view. >> >> >> >> With regards >> >> Pandit S.P.Tata >> >> >> >> - >> "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 >> <sptata; <sacred-objects> >> Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM >> Sri Naradiya Purana on Planetary Gemology >> >> >> > Dear Pandit Tataji, >> > >> > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, >> > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given >> > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated > again >> > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is >> > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse... >> > >> > The translation : >> > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is >> > eclipsed. >> > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate >> > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit >> > (viparita-phala). >> > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby >> > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury, > Yellow >> > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn, >> > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. >> > >> > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri >> > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology >> > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including >> > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is >> > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created >> > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and >> > others. >> > >> > Best rgds, >> > Richard >> > >> > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG >> > Designer & Gemologist >> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com >> > http://www.agt-gems.com >> > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com >> > http://www.themisunderstood.com >> > http://www.hrisikesh.com >> > http://www.hrisikesh.net >> > http://www.p-g-a.org >> > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net >> > http://www.generalprem.com >> > http://www.navaratna-museum.info >> > http://www.sacred-objects.info >> > sacred-objects/ >> > planetary-gemology/ >> > >> > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. >> > >> > >> > Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Dear Panditji, Namaste!!! I agree that one cannot change karma, because one's karma changing depends on one's karma. If one gets a sacred object like ruby then THAT is their karma. If one's life improves that is also their karma. Gems are used even in Vaikuntha. And the tradition is going on for a long time of using gems in relation to planets. Like Rudra is the Lord of Rudraksha, so Moon is the lord of Natural Pearls. If the gems didn't have good influence then by now people would have stopped using. But they DO have graha shakti. We cannot say we believe in Rudra, Vishnu, Lakshmi, BUT, do not believe in the Graha Devas. In same way we cannot reject belief in the 9 gems, which have been proven over time to be influential. The question of gem shakti is a split issue...The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad: ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should be chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas PRATIKUL-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas. In this connection Prof Rayudu has written, ""The Jyotish gems act SAME as their Grahas (planets) and so the gems should be used for a native's ANUKUL GRAHAS (benefic planets) to harness the benefic influence. The Jyotish gems do not act OPPOSITE of their Grahas and so gems should not be used for a native's PRATIKUL GRAHAS (malefic planets). Thus the malpractice of Pratikul Vad by some confused and irrational astrologers to the detriment even ruination of their misguided clients can be put an end."---Pt. Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu So the issue is HOW gems work, not IF they work. In the Brahma Samhita it is stated, "The Sun manifests his brilliance in a ruby although it is a gem."---Sri Brahma-Samhita : 5.49 And the Naradiya Purana has clearly associated the nine gems with the Navagraha. So of course Sun is the deity presiding over Ruby, and Moon presides over natural Pearl, etc. So to worship Shiva wear Rudraksha... to worship Moon wear Moti NOTE: Regardless of our bias, people will always buy gems, so if that is the case then we should at least help them get the RIGHT gems for them based on their janma-patri. It is a science which I have been practicing since 1974, and I have over 10,000 numbered clients. The main thing that Shastra states is that gems DO have powers, but clarity or cleanliness is most important. For example, Sri Suta Goswami in Sri Garuda Purana states, "The potency of a high-quality ruby is such that even an ignorant person living a sinful life and surrounded by deadly enemies is saved by wearing such a gem. Anyone wearing such a naturally effulgent ruby would be freed from diseases caused by any imbalance of the bodily functions." <---so this means that gems have power as talismans. BUT, they must be GOOD QUALITY, as Suta Goswami continues in Sri Garuda Purana, "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune. ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 So I think that it is quite clear that Gems, when good quality, are talismans related to astrology (Nava Graha). And as people are buying anyway, so better that we guide them to wear only the gems for planets which are good for themselves. Best rgds, Richard http://richardshawbrown.com sacred-objects, <sptata wrote: > > Dear Richardji, > > This is regarding the Gem recommendation given in the Naradiya Puranam. > > > > Yes it is quite authentic and there is no doubt about the translation by the > renowned Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri. > > > > Let me make things clear so that there are no misunderstandings. > > 1)I am not against gems or gemologists. Gems are beautiful and the > gemologists are the gem experts. I have bought various gems for my wife and > I am happy with the gems and with the gemologist who gave them. So I do not > "disparage gems" as you have put it. But I am dead against the fraudulent > astrologers who know nothing about remedies but prescribe several stones to > make money. > > > > 2)Sarvam Brahmamayam - or everything is Divine and sacred. So I see Lord > Vishnu in the Saligrama ring I wear, I see Goddess Lakshmi in the Valampuri > and I see Lord Rudra in the Rudrakshas I wear. It is not necessary to have a > carved stone or a printed photograph. If some one wants to see Sun God in > the Ruby he wears I'll say by all means why not. But if he thinks that the > stone will change his destiny, I'll say sorry, because its not so easy to > please God or change destiny. > > > > 2)Gems are prescribed in several Vedic astrology scriptures for keeping in > the Pooja of various planets. They are also prescribed as a Dana in various > astrological remedies. They are also used in several Ayurvedic preparations. > However Vedic astrology scriptures have not prescribed the wearing of gems > as a remedy anywhere. The Brihat Parasara Horasastra by Rishi Parasara > prescribes a lot of remedies but doesn't prescribe wearing of gems as > remedy. The same with the other authentic Vedic astrology scriptures written > by other sages like Jaimini, Garga, Varahamihira etc. These highly evolved > Rishis knew all the scriptures like the Vedas and Puranas, including the > Narada Purana, but ignored the gems as a remedy and prescribed only Poojas > and recital of mantras and Stotras plus Dana. > > > > 3)While practicing a profession, a fellow learns from and follows the > prescribed, authentic, specialized texts of that profession. After that he > will also study a few related secondary texts but the primary text remains > the principle authority. In my case I follow the accepted Vedic astrology > texts. Because the remedies involve Poojas, mantras, Stotras and several > other rituals, I also study the other related scriptures like the Vedas, > Gita, Puranas, Mantra Sastra etc. to gain more knowledge about these rituals > but the texts I follow for astrology are the astrology texts. > > > > 4)The Indian scriptures fall into two categories. > > A) The 5 Primary scriptures - i.The Vedas & Upanishadas, ii. The Bhagavad > Gita, iii. The Brahma Sutras, iv. Manu Sutras, v. Patanjali Yoga Sutras. > These contain most of the remedial Poojas and rituals of Hinduism. Gems are > not prescribed for wearing as remedy in the Vedas or in the other principle > scriptures. > > B)The secondary scriptures - They are the Puranas and other scriptures. It > is not possible for every one to grasp the higher philosophic depth of the > major scriptures. Hence the great Adi Shankaracharya said that the Vedas > etc. principle scriptures are for the intelligent & intellectuals who can > grasp the in-depth meaning, practice them and teach them, where as the > Puranas etc are for the average common man who is either semi literate or > illiterate. The Puranas explain the religious and social doctrines in a > simple to understand manner with the help of several parable like stories. > Apart from that they also give a very detailed account of the various Gods > and Goddesses, their incarnations, teachings, stotras etc. They provide us > with the mythological stories associated with Hinduism. The Puranas also > contain a few stories and lines which are meant to put the fear of God into > the average village bumpkin's heart so that he follows all the rules without > failing. There are plenty of stories in the Puranas like - "She promised to > perform a Devi Pooja but forgot...So Devi sank the ship of her husband . she > had a nightmare, remembered and performed the Pooja and a whale lifted up > the sinking ship and the husband came home!" The Shiva Purana says the > following about the Rudrakshas - "If you see a man wearing Rudrakshas, you > must prostrate at his feet. or you will go to hell." Well, if you come to > the Hanuman Temple at Delhi, you'll find 250 sadhus wearing Rudrakshas and > by the time you finish prostrating 250 times you'll have a slipped disc! > > > > So while I have learned a lot from the Puranas, there are a few things which > I don't agree, because several things applicable during the Dwapara Yuga and > Treta Yuga are not applicable now. > > > > So in conclusion I'll say that I don't believe in gems as an astrological > remedy because the texts of my profession don't acknowledge gems as a > remedial measure. After that - of all the hundreds of Indian scriptures, if > there is just one verse in one Narada Purana which says wear ruby etc. to > please Sun etc., I take it with a pinch of salt. > > > > Everything in this world, both the living and the non living, emits some > positive vibrations and some negative vibrations called "spandana" and so do > the gems. But no one knows on what basis to prescribe them. Is it for the > flaws in the Birth chart, or for bad Dasas, or for bad transits, or for a > specific purpose? Suppose Saturn is bad in a chart. You want to prescribe a > gem for it. What about the lagna wise malefics and benefics? And what about > the rasi analysis and the badhaka lords? Suppose Saturn is bad for your > lagna but good for your rasi? Do we prescribe or not? There are no laid down > scriptural rules. > > > > Apart from that, as we know each planet has its positive effects and its > negative effects - in every sign and in every house. Suppose a planet by > nature or situation is good for profession and bad for children. If the > corresponding gem is prescribed and the planet becomes stronger, suppose he > gets a promotion but his child dies?? No one knows how to control the > positive and negative factors. I have discussed this with several > gem-prescribing "pundits" and no one could come up with a proper answer. > > > > All our kings used to wear loads of gems prescribed by their pundits and all > of them were beaten black and blue by every foreign invader from Alexander > to the British!! > > > > As a remedy I ask people to worship the concerned planet and its ruling > deity. The best worship is the do it yourself Pooja or Stotra/Mantra > recital. If one cannot do it then get it done by a good Vedic priest. > > > > I do prescribe Rudrakshas. But I tell people clearly that various Mukhis > represent various deities and every time it touches your chest you remember > the deity and that's what improves. You can read what I say on my site > here> http://www.astrojyoti.com/rudrakshasanddeities.htm > > > > Similarly if an astrologer prescribing a gemstone tells "Diamond is for > Venus, whose ruler is Devi. So every time it touches your finger or your > eyes fall on it, think of HER" I'll say hats of to him. But they don't say > that. They simply say "wear a Neelam and Shani dosha will be cured" > > > > Normally I ignore these gem arguments and explanations. I am giving a > detailed reply because I respect you as a gemologist and as a religious > person. I hope you'll respect my point of view. > > > > With regards > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > - > "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 > <sptata; <sacred-objects> > Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM > Sri Naradiya Purana on Planetary Gemology > > > > Dear Pandit Tataji, > > > > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, > > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given > > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated again > > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is > > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse... > > > > The translation : > > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is > > eclipsed. > > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate > > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit > > (viparita-phala). > > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby > > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury, Yellow > > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn, > > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. > > > > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri > > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology > > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including > > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is > > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created > > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and > > others. > > > > Best rgds, > > Richard > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG > > Designer & Gemologist > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com > > http://www.agt-gems.com > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com > > http://www.themisunderstood.com > > http://www.hrisikesh.com > > http://www.hrisikesh.net > > http://www.p-g-a.org > > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net > > http://www.generalprem.com > > http://www.navaratna-museum.info > > http://www.sacred-objects.info > > sacred-objects/ > > planetary-gemology/ > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- ---- > > > > > > > ---------- ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Dear Pandit Tataji, Sadar pranam!!! I was just thinking about Rudraksha and realised, as we had discussed a few months back, that there is no shastric evidence of the astrological associations of Rudraksha. I don't know of any Puranas that assign planets to Rudraksa, as IS the case with Gems assigned to Planets in Sri Naradiya Puranam. Just a thought!!! Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > Namaste!!! I agree that one cannot change karma, because one's karma changing depends > on one's karma. If one gets a sacred object like ruby then THAT is their karma. If one's life > improves that is also their karma. > > Gems are used even in Vaikuntha. And the tradition is going on for a long time of using > gems in relation to planets. Like Rudra is the Lord of Rudraksha, so Moon is the lord of > Natural Pearls. If the gems didn't have good influence then by now people would have > stopped using. But they DO have graha shakti. > > We cannot say we believe in Rudra, Vishnu, Lakshmi, BUT, do not believe in the Graha > Devas. In same way we cannot reject belief in the 9 gems, which have been proven over > time to be influential. > > The question of gem shakti is a split issue...The Planetary Gemology World is divided into > two (2) opposing philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad: > > ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should be chosen for > Anukul (favorable) grahas > > PRATIKUL-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems should be chosen for > Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas. > > In this connection Prof Rayudu has written, ""The Jyotish gems act SAME as their Grahas > (planets) and so the gems should be used for a native's ANUKUL GRAHAS (benefic planets) > to harness the benefic influence. The Jyotish gems do not act OPPOSITE of their Grahas > and so gems should not be used for a native's PRATIKUL GRAHAS (malefic planets). Thus > the malpractice of Pratikul Vad by some confused and irrational astrologers to the > detriment even ruination of their misguided clients can be put an end."---Pt. Pemmaraju > V.R. Rayudu > > So the issue is HOW gems work, not IF they work. In the Brahma Samhita it is stated, "The > Sun manifests his brilliance in a ruby although it is a gem."---Sri Brahma-Samhita : 5.49 > And the Naradiya Purana has clearly associated the nine gems with the Navagraha. So of > course Sun is the deity presiding over Ruby, and Moon presides over natural Pearl, etc. So > to worship Shiva wear Rudraksha... to worship Moon wear Moti > > NOTE: Regardless of our bias, people will always buy gems, so if that is the case then we > should at least help them get the RIGHT gems for them based on their janma-patri. It is a > science which I have been practicing since 1974, and I have over 10,000 numbered clients. > > The main thing that Shastra states is that gems DO have powers, but clarity or cleanliness > is most important. For example, Sri Suta Goswami in Sri Garuda Purana states, "The > potency of a high-quality ruby is such that even an ignorant person living a sinful life and > surrounded by deadly enemies is saved by wearing such a gem. Anyone wearing such a > naturally effulgent ruby would be freed from diseases caused by any imbalance of the > bodily functions." <---so this means that gems have power as talismans. > > BUT, they must be GOOD QUALITY, as Suta Goswami continues in Sri Garuda Purana, "A > ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive > inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is > dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer > from disease, or loss of fortune. ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 > > So I think that it is quite clear that Gems, when good quality, are talismans related to > astrology (Nava Graha). And as people are buying anyway, so better that we guide them to > wear only the gems for planets which are good for themselves. > > Best rgds, > Richard > http://richardshawbrown.com > > sacred-objects, <sptata@> wrote: > > > > Dear Richardji, > > > > This is regarding the Gem recommendation given in the Naradiya Puranam. > > > > > > > > Yes it is quite authentic and there is no doubt about the translation by the > > renowned Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri. > > > > > > > > Let me make things clear so that there are no misunderstandings. > > > > 1)I am not against gems or gemologists. Gems are beautiful and the > > gemologists are the gem experts. I have bought various gems for my wife and > > I am happy with the gems and with the gemologist who gave them. So I do not > > "disparage gems" as you have put it. But I am dead against the fraudulent > > astrologers who know nothing about remedies but prescribe several stones to > > make money. > > > > > > > > 2)Sarvam Brahmamayam - or everything is Divine and sacred. So I see Lord > > Vishnu in the Saligrama ring I wear, I see Goddess Lakshmi in the Valampuri > > and I see Lord Rudra in the Rudrakshas I wear. It is not necessary to have a > > carved stone or a printed photograph. If some one wants to see Sun God in > > the Ruby he wears I'll say by all means why not. But if he thinks that the > > stone will change his destiny, I'll say sorry, because its not so easy to > > please God or change destiny. > > > > > > > > 2)Gems are prescribed in several Vedic astrology scriptures for keeping in > > the Pooja of various planets. They are also prescribed as a Dana in various > > astrological remedies. They are also used in several Ayurvedic preparations. > > However Vedic astrology scriptures have not prescribed the wearing of gems > > as a remedy anywhere. The Brihat Parasara Horasastra by Rishi Parasara > > prescribes a lot of remedies but doesn't prescribe wearing of gems as > > remedy. The same with the other authentic Vedic astrology scriptures written > > by other sages like Jaimini, Garga, Varahamihira etc. These highly evolved > > Rishis knew all the scriptures like the Vedas and Puranas, including the > > Narada Purana, but ignored the gems as a remedy and prescribed only Poojas > > and recital of mantras and Stotras plus Dana. > > > > > > > > 3)While practicing a profession, a fellow learns from and follows the > > prescribed, authentic, specialized texts of that profession. After that he > > will also study a few related secondary texts but the primary text remains > > the principle authority. In my case I follow the accepted Vedic astrology > > texts. Because the remedies involve Poojas, mantras, Stotras and several > > other rituals, I also study the other related scriptures like the Vedas, > > Gita, Puranas, Mantra Sastra etc. to gain more knowledge about these rituals > > but the texts I follow for astrology are the astrology texts. > > > > > > > > 4)The Indian scriptures fall into two categories. > > > > A) The 5 Primary scriptures - i.The Vedas & Upanishadas, ii. The Bhagavad > > Gita, iii. The Brahma Sutras, iv. Manu Sutras, v. Patanjali Yoga Sutras. > > These contain most of the remedial Poojas and rituals of Hinduism. Gems are > > not prescribed for wearing as remedy in the Vedas or in the other principle > > scriptures. > > > > B)The secondary scriptures - They are the Puranas and other scriptures. It > > is not possible for every one to grasp the higher philosophic depth of the > > major scriptures. Hence the great Adi Shankaracharya said that the Vedas > > etc. principle scriptures are for the intelligent & intellectuals who can > > grasp the in-depth meaning, practice them and teach them, where as the > > Puranas etc are for the average common man who is either semi literate or > > illiterate. The Puranas explain the religious and social doctrines in a > > simple to understand manner with the help of several parable like stories. > > Apart from that they also give a very detailed account of the various Gods > > and Goddesses, their incarnations, teachings, stotras etc. They provide us > > with the mythological stories associated with Hinduism. The Puranas also > > contain a few stories and lines which are meant to put the fear of God into > > the average village bumpkin's heart so that he follows all the rules without > > failing. There are plenty of stories in the Puranas like - "She promised to > > perform a Devi Pooja but forgot...So Devi sank the ship of her husband . she > > had a nightmare, remembered and performed the Pooja and a whale lifted up > > the sinking ship and the husband came home!" The Shiva Purana says the > > following about the Rudrakshas - "If you see a man wearing Rudrakshas, you > > must prostrate at his feet. or you will go to hell." Well, if you come to > > the Hanuman Temple at Delhi, you'll find 250 sadhus wearing Rudrakshas and > > by the time you finish prostrating 250 times you'll have a slipped disc! > > > > > > > > So while I have learned a lot from the Puranas, there are a few things which > > I don't agree, because several things applicable during the Dwapara Yuga and > > Treta Yuga are not applicable now. > > > > > > > > So in conclusion I'll say that I don't believe in gems as an astrological > > remedy because the texts of my profession don't acknowledge gems as a > > remedial measure. After that - of all the hundreds of Indian scriptures, if > > there is just one verse in one Narada Purana which says wear ruby etc. to > > please Sun etc., I take it with a pinch of salt. > > > > > > > > Everything in this world, both the living and the non living, emits some > > positive vibrations and some negative vibrations called "spandana" and so do > > the gems. But no one knows on what basis to prescribe them. Is it for the > > flaws in the Birth chart, or for bad Dasas, or for bad transits, or for a > > specific purpose? Suppose Saturn is bad in a chart. You want to prescribe a > > gem for it. What about the lagna wise malefics and benefics? And what about > > the rasi analysis and the badhaka lords? Suppose Saturn is bad for your > > lagna but good for your rasi? Do we prescribe or not? There are no laid down > > scriptural rules. > > > > > > > > Apart from that, as we know each planet has its positive effects and its > > negative effects - in every sign and in every house. Suppose a planet by > > nature or situation is good for profession and bad for children. If the > > corresponding gem is prescribed and the planet becomes stronger, suppose he > > gets a promotion but his child dies?? No one knows how to control the > > positive and negative factors. I have discussed this with several > > gem-prescribing "pundits" and no one could come up with a proper answer. > > > > > > > > All our kings used to wear loads of gems prescribed by their pundits and all > > of them were beaten black and blue by every foreign invader from Alexander > > to the British!! > > > > > > > > As a remedy I ask people to worship the concerned planet and its ruling > > deity. The best worship is the do it yourself Pooja or Stotra/Mantra > > recital. If one cannot do it then get it done by a good Vedic priest. > > > > > > > > I do prescribe Rudrakshas. But I tell people clearly that various Mukhis > > represent various deities and every time it touches your chest you remember > > the deity and that's what improves. You can read what I say on my site > > here> http://www.astrojyoti.com/rudrakshasanddeities.htm > > > > > > > > Similarly if an astrologer prescribing a gemstone tells "Diamond is for > > Venus, whose ruler is Devi. So every time it touches your finger or your > > eyes fall on it, think of HER" I'll say hats of to him. But they don't say > > that. They simply say "wear a Neelam and Shani dosha will be cured" > > > > > > > > Normally I ignore these gem arguments and explanations. I am giving a > > detailed reply because I respect you as a gemologist and as a religious > > person. I hope you'll respect my point of view. > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > > - > > "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> > > <sptata@>; <sacred-objects> > > Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM > > Sri Naradiya Purana on Planetary Gemology > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Tataji, > > > > > > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, > > > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given > > > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated again > > > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is > > > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse... > > > > > > The translation : > > > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is > > > eclipsed. > > > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate > > > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit > > > (viparita-phala). > > > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby > > > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury, Yellow > > > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn, > > > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. > > > > > > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri > > > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology > > > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including > > > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is > > > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created > > > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and > > > others. > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > Richard > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG > > > Designer & Gemologist > > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com > > > http://www.agt-gems.com > > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com > > > http://www.themisunderstood.com > > > http://www.hrisikesh.com > > > http://www.hrisikesh.net > > > http://www.p-g-a.org > > > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net > > > http://www.generalprem.com > > > http://www.navaratna-museum.info > > > http://www.sacred-objects.info > > > sacred-objects/ > > > planetary-gemology/ > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > ---- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Well You said very strongly that you are happy with your faith in God. Have you ever been able to experience or understand what actually GOD is? And do you really understand the meaning of faith or just saying it for the sake of posting a smart reply! I have gone thru your web-site and I can understand how much you know? Do your business as you are doing but do not ever ever use such language for people who speak the truth. Your web-site explaining the predictive aspect of astrology perhaps lacks the basic understanding of Astrology i.e. it is Not At All a Predictive Science rather a science of probability i.e. Anuman Shashtra. I hope you understand my point|? Good wishes for your business Adult Vish On 4/11/06, sptata (AT) astrojyoti (DOT) com <sptata (AT) astrojyoti (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Deepak,I am happy with my faith in God. You be happy with your smartness.RegardsPandit S.P.Tata > HI MR S.P TATA>> YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT A> SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A COMMON > MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET IT> RECITED BY PANDITS. 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND> THEY CANNOT BE CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT > WAS POSSIBLE IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE> MONEY OF THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT> PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT?> > WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS> THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT IS> EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE IS > SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY IS FAR> FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO BE SMART> TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND HEPLING > PEOPLE OUT.>>> sacred-objects, <sptata wrote: >>>> Dear Richardji,>>>> This is regarding the Gem recommendation given in the Naradiya Puranam.>>>>>>>> Yes it is quite authentic and there is no doubt about the > translation by the>> renowned Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri.>>>>>>>> Let me make things clear so that there are no misunderstandings.>>>> 1)I am not against gems or gemologists. Gems are beautiful and the >> gemologists are the gem experts. I have bought various gems for my> wife and>> I am happy with the gems and with the gemologist who gave them. So I> do not>> "disparage gems" as you have put it. But I am dead against the > fraudulent>> astrologers who know nothing about remedies but prescribe several> stones to>> make money.>>>>>>>> 2)Sarvam Brahmamayam - or everything is Divine and sacred. So I see > Lord>> Vishnu in the Saligrama ring I wear, I see Goddess Lakshmi in the> Valampuri>> and I see Lord Rudra in the Rudrakshas I wear. It is not necessary> to have a>> carved stone or a printed photograph. If some one wants to see Sun > God in>> the Ruby he wears I'll say by all means why not. But if he thinks> that the>> stone will change his destiny, I'll say sorry, because its not so> easy to>> please God or change destiny. >>>>>>>> 2)Gems are prescribed in several Vedic astrology scriptures for> keeping in>> the Pooja of various planets. They are also prescribed as a Dana in> various >> astrological remedies. They are also used in several Ayurvedic> preparations.>> However Vedic astrology scriptures have not prescribed the wearing> of gems>> as a remedy anywhere. The Brihat Parasara Horasastra by Rishi Parasara >> prescribes a lot of remedies but doesn't prescribe wearing of gems as>> remedy. The same with the other authentic Vedic astrology scriptures> written>> by other sages like Jaimini, Garga, Varahamihira etc. These highly > evolved>> Rishis knew all the scriptures like the Vedas and Puranas, including> the>> Narada Purana, but ignored the gems as a remedy and prescribed only> Poojas>> and recital of mantras and Stotras plus Dana. >>>>>>>> 3)While practicing a profession, a fellow learns from and follows the>> prescribed, authentic, specialized texts of that profession. After> that he>> will also study a few related secondary texts but the primary text > remains>> the principle authority. In my case I follow the accepted Vedic> astrology>> texts. Because the remedies involve Poojas, mantras, Stotras and> several>> other rituals, I also study the other related scriptures like the > Vedas,>> Gita, Puranas, Mantra Sastra etc. to gain more knowledge about these> rituals>> but the texts I follow for astrology are the astrology texts.>>>>>> >> 4)The Indian scriptures fall into two categories.>>>> A) The 5 Primary scriptures - i.The Vedas & Upanishadas, ii. The> Bhagavad>> Gita, iii. The Brahma Sutras, iv. Manu Sutras, v. Patanjali Yoga > Sutras.>> These contain most of the remedial Poojas and rituals of Hinduism.> Gems are>> not prescribed for wearing as remedy in the Vedas or in the other> principle>> scriptures. >>>> B)The secondary scriptures - They are the Puranas and other> scriptures. It>> is not possible for every one to grasp the higher philosophic depth> of the>> major scriptures. Hence the great Adi Shankaracharya said that the > Vedas>> etc. principle scriptures are for the intelligent & intellectuals> who can>> grasp the in-depth meaning, practice them and teach them, where as the>> Puranas etc are for the average common man who is either semi > literate or>> illiterate. The Puranas explain the religious and social doctrines in a>> simple to understand manner with the help of several parable like> stories.>> Apart from that they also give a very detailed account of the > various Gods>> and Goddesses, their incarnations, teachings, stotras etc. They> provide us>> with the mythological stories associated with Hinduism. The Puranas> also>> contain a few stories and lines which are meant to put the fear of > God into>> the average village bumpkin's heart so that he follows all the rules> without>> failing. There are plenty of stories in the Puranas like - "She> promised to>> perform a Devi Pooja but forgot...So Devi sank the ship of her > husband . she>> had a nightmare, remembered and performed the Pooja and a whale> lifted up>> the sinking ship and the husband came home!" The Shiva Purana says the>> following about the Rudrakshas - "If you see a man wearing > Rudrakshas, you>> must prostrate at his feet. or you will go to hell." Well, if you> come to>> the Hanuman Temple at Delhi, you'll find 250 sadhus wearing> Rudrakshas and >> by the time you finish prostrating 250 times you'll have a slipped disc!>>>>>>>> So while I have learned a lot from the Puranas, there are a few> things which>> I don't agree, because several things applicable during the Dwapara > Yuga and>> Treta Yuga are not applicable now.>>>>>>>> So in conclusion I'll say that I don't believe in gems as an> astrological>> remedy because the texts of my profession don't acknowledge gems as a >> remedial measure. After that - of all the hundreds of Indian> scriptures, if>> there is just one verse in one Narada Purana which says wear ruby> etc. to>> please Sun etc., I take it with a pinch of salt. >>>>>>>> Everything in this world, both the living and the non living, emits> some>> positive vibrations and some negative vibrations called "spandana" > and so do>> the gems. But no one knows on what basis to prescribe them. Is it> for the>> flaws in the Birth chart, or for bad Dasas, or for bad transits, or> for a>> specific purpose? Suppose Saturn is bad in a chart. You want to > prescribe a>> gem for it. What about the lagna wise malefics and benefics? And> what about>> the rasi analysis and the badhaka lords? Suppose Saturn is bad for your>> lagna but good for your rasi? Do we prescribe or not? There are no > laid down>> scriptural rules.>>>>>>>> Apart from that, as we know each planet has its positive effects and> its>> negative effects - in every sign and in every house. Suppose a > planet by>> nature or situation is good for profession and bad for children. If the>> corresponding gem is prescribed and the planet becomes stronger,> suppose he>> gets a promotion but his child dies?? No one knows how to control the >> positive and negative factors. I have discussed this with several>> gem-prescribing "pundits" and no one could come up with a proper answer.>>>>>>>> All our kings used to wear loads of gems prescribed by their pundits > and all>> of them were beaten black and blue by every foreign invader from> Alexander>> to the British!!>>>>>>>> As a remedy I ask people to worship the concerned planet and its ruling >> deity. The best worship is the do it yourself Pooja or Stotra/Mantra>> recital. If one cannot do it then get it done by a good Vedic priest.>>>>>>>> I do prescribe Rudrakshas. But I tell people clearly that various > Mukhis>> represent various deities and every time it touches your chest you> remember>> the deity and that's what improves. You can read what I say on my site>> here> http://www.astrojyoti.com/rudrakshasanddeities.htm>>>>>>>> Similarly if an astrologer prescribing a gemstone tells "Diamond is for>> Venus, whose ruler is Devi. So every time it touches your finger or > your>> eyes fall on it, think of HER" I'll say hats of to him. But they> don't say>> that. They simply say "wear a Neelam and Shani dosha will be cured">>>> >>>> Normally I ignore these gem arguments and explanations. I am giving a>> detailed reply because I respect you as a gemologist and as a religious>> person. I hope you'll respect my point of view. >>>>>>>> With regards>>>> Pandit S.P.Tata>>>>>>>> ->> "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 >> <sptata; <sacred-objects>>> Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM >> Sri Naradiya Purana on Planetary Gemology>>>>>> > Dear Pandit Tataji,>> >>> > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, >> > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given>> > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated> again>> > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is >> > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse...>> >>> > The translation :>> > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is>> > eclipsed. >> > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate>> > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit>> > (viparita-phala).>> > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby >> > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury,> Yellow>> > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn,>> > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. >> >>> > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri>> > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology>> > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including >> > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is>> > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created>> > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and >> > others.>> >>> > Best rgds,>> > Richard>> >>> > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG>> > Designer & Gemologist>> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com>> > http://www.agt-gems.com>> > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com>> > http://www.themisunderstood.com>> > http://www.hrisikesh.com>> > http://www.hrisikesh.net>> > http://www.p-g-a.org>> > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net>> > http://www.generalprem.com>> > http://www.navaratna-museum.info>> > http://www.sacred-objects.info>> > sacred-objects/>> > planetary-gemology/ >> >>> > Send instant messages to your online friends> http://uk.messenger. >> >>> >>> > Links>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->>>>>> >>>>>> > Links>>>>>>>> s eye Yellow sapphire Sacred Blue sapphires Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. sacred-objects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I found this mentioned on ur website In the Egyptian, Greek, western and Chinese systems of astrology only the birth chart is cast to give predictions. This is hopelessly inaccurate and insufficient. May I tell you that Egyptian were the first to use other planets except the Sun and the Moon; and the Indians adopted and mastered that. I wonder how you can say that! Further, you may not be aware that the Fifth Veda, yes it existed, was thrown at the place which is called China now a days and it was so powerful that it would have superceded all the rest. But the point was of justifiability and it was because of that reason it was discarded by Indian and not because of its applications. So how can you term them hoplelessly inaccurate and insufficient. Please take your time and understand the real meaning of being an Indian. Vish On 4/11/06, sptata (AT) astrojyoti (DOT) com <sptata (AT) astrojyoti (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Deepak,I am happy with my faith in God. You be happy with your smartness.RegardsPandit S.P.Tata > HI MR S.P TATA>> YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT A> SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A COMMON > MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET IT> RECITED BY PANDITS. 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND> THEY CANNOT BE CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT > WAS POSSIBLE IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE> MONEY OF THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT> PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT?> > WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS> THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT IS> EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE IS > SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY IS FAR> FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO BE SMART> TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND HEPLING > PEOPLE OUT.>>> sacred-objects, <sptata wrote: >>>> Dear Richardji,>>>> This is regarding the Gem recommendation given in the Naradiya Puranam.>>>>>>>> Yes it is quite authentic and there is no doubt about the > translation by the>> renowned Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri.>>>>>>>> Let me make things clear so that there are no misunderstandings.>>>> 1)I am not against gems or gemologists. Gems are beautiful and the >> gemologists are the gem experts. I have bought various gems for my> wife and>> I am happy with the gems and with the gemologist who gave them. So I> do not>> "disparage gems" as you have put it. But I am dead against the > fraudulent>> astrologers who know nothing about remedies but prescribe several> stones to>> make money.>>>>>>>> 2)Sarvam Brahmamayam - or everything is Divine and sacred. So I see > Lord>> Vishnu in the Saligrama ring I wear, I see Goddess Lakshmi in the> Valampuri>> and I see Lord Rudra in the Rudrakshas I wear. It is not necessary> to have a>> carved stone or a printed photograph. If some one wants to see Sun > God in>> the Ruby he wears I'll say by all means why not. But if he thinks> that the>> stone will change his destiny, I'll say sorry, because its not so> easy to>> please God or change destiny. >>>>>>>> 2)Gems are prescribed in several Vedic astrology scriptures for> keeping in>> the Pooja of various planets. They are also prescribed as a Dana in> various >> astrological remedies. They are also used in several Ayurvedic> preparations.>> However Vedic astrology scriptures have not prescribed the wearing> of gems>> as a remedy anywhere. The Brihat Parasara Horasastra by Rishi Parasara >> prescribes a lot of remedies but doesn't prescribe wearing of gems as>> remedy. The same with the other authentic Vedic astrology scriptures> written>> by other sages like Jaimini, Garga, Varahamihira etc. These highly > evolved>> Rishis knew all the scriptures like the Vedas and Puranas, including> the>> Narada Purana, but ignored the gems as a remedy and prescribed only> Poojas>> and recital of mantras and Stotras plus Dana. >>>>>>>> 3)While practicing a profession, a fellow learns from and follows the>> prescribed, authentic, specialized texts of that profession. After> that he>> will also study a few related secondary texts but the primary text > remains>> the principle authority. In my case I follow the accepted Vedic> astrology>> texts. Because the remedies involve Poojas, mantras, Stotras and> several>> other rituals, I also study the other related scriptures like the > Vedas,>> Gita, Puranas, Mantra Sastra etc. to gain more knowledge about these> rituals>> but the texts I follow for astrology are the astrology texts.>>>>>> >> 4)The Indian scriptures fall into two categories.>>>> A) The 5 Primary scriptures - i.The Vedas & Upanishadas, ii. The> Bhagavad>> Gita, iii. The Brahma Sutras, iv. Manu Sutras, v. Patanjali Yoga > Sutras.>> These contain most of the remedial Poojas and rituals of Hinduism.> Gems are>> not prescribed for wearing as remedy in the Vedas or in the other> principle>> scriptures. >>>> B)The secondary scriptures - They are the Puranas and other> scriptures. It>> is not possible for every one to grasp the higher philosophic depth> of the>> major scriptures. Hence the great Adi Shankaracharya said that the > Vedas>> etc. principle scriptures are for the intelligent & intellectuals> who can>> grasp the in-depth meaning, practice them and teach them, where as the>> Puranas etc are for the average common man who is either semi > literate or>> illiterate. The Puranas explain the religious and social doctrines in a>> simple to understand manner with the help of several parable like> stories.>> Apart from that they also give a very detailed account of the > various Gods>> and Goddesses, their incarnations, teachings, stotras etc. They> provide us>> with the mythological stories associated with Hinduism. The Puranas> also>> contain a few stories and lines which are meant to put the fear of > God into>> the average village bumpkin's heart so that he follows all the rules> without>> failing. There are plenty of stories in the Puranas like - "She> promised to>> perform a Devi Pooja but forgot...So Devi sank the ship of her > husband . she>> had a nightmare, remembered and performed the Pooja and a whale> lifted up>> the sinking ship and the husband came home!" The Shiva Purana says the>> following about the Rudrakshas - "If you see a man wearing > Rudrakshas, you>> must prostrate at his feet. or you will go to hell." Well, if you> come to>> the Hanuman Temple at Delhi, you'll find 250 sadhus wearing> Rudrakshas and >> by the time you finish prostrating 250 times you'll have a slipped disc!>>>>>>>> So while I have learned a lot from the Puranas, there are a few> things which>> I don't agree, because several things applicable during the Dwapara > Yuga and>> Treta Yuga are not applicable now.>>>>>>>> So in conclusion I'll say that I don't believe in gems as an> astrological>> remedy because the texts of my profession don't acknowledge gems as a >> remedial measure. After that - of all the hundreds of Indian> scriptures, if>> there is just one verse in one Narada Purana which says wear ruby> etc. to>> please Sun etc., I take it with a pinch of salt. >>>>>>>> Everything in this world, both the living and the non living, emits> some>> positive vibrations and some negative vibrations called "spandana" > and so do>> the gems. But no one knows on what basis to prescribe them. Is it> for the>> flaws in the Birth chart, or for bad Dasas, or for bad transits, or> for a>> specific purpose? Suppose Saturn is bad in a chart. You want to > prescribe a>> gem for it. What about the lagna wise malefics and benefics? And> what about>> the rasi analysis and the badhaka lords? Suppose Saturn is bad for your>> lagna but good for your rasi? Do we prescribe or not? There are no > laid down>> scriptural rules.>>>>>>>> Apart from that, as we know each planet has its positive effects and> its>> negative effects - in every sign and in every house. Suppose a > planet by>> nature or situation is good for profession and bad for children. If the>> corresponding gem is prescribed and the planet becomes stronger,> suppose he>> gets a promotion but his child dies?? No one knows how to control the >> positive and negative factors. I have discussed this with several>> gem-prescribing "pundits" and no one could come up with a proper answer.>>>>>>>> All our kings used to wear loads of gems prescribed by their pundits > and all>> of them were beaten black and blue by every foreign invader from> Alexander>> to the British!!>>>>>>>> As a remedy I ask people to worship the concerned planet and its ruling >> deity. The best worship is the do it yourself Pooja or Stotra/Mantra>> recital. If one cannot do it then get it done by a good Vedic priest.>>>>>>>> I do prescribe Rudrakshas. But I tell people clearly that various > Mukhis>> represent various deities and every time it touches your chest you> remember>> the deity and that's what improves. You can read what I say on my site>> here> http://www.astrojyoti.com/rudrakshasanddeities.htm>>>>>>>> Similarly if an astrologer prescribing a gemstone tells "Diamond is for>> Venus, whose ruler is Devi. So every time it touches your finger or > your>> eyes fall on it, think of HER" I'll say hats of to him. But they> don't say>> that. They simply say "wear a Neelam and Shani dosha will be cured">>>> >>>> Normally I ignore these gem arguments and explanations. I am giving a>> detailed reply because I respect you as a gemologist and as a religious>> person. I hope you'll respect my point of view. >>>>>>>> With regards>>>> Pandit S.P.Tata>>>>>>>> ->> "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 >> <sptata; <sacred-objects>>> Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM >> Sri Naradiya Purana on Planetary Gemology>>>>>> > Dear Pandit Tataji,>> >>> > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, >> > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given>> > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated> again>> > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is >> > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse...>> >>> > The translation :>> > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is>> > eclipsed. >> > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate>> > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit>> > (viparita-phala).>> > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby >> > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury,> Yellow>> > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn,>> > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. >> >>> > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri>> > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology>> > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including >> > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is>> > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created>> > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and >> > others.>> >>> > Best rgds,>> > Richard>> >>> > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG>> > Designer & Gemologist>> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com>> > http://www.agt-gems.com>> > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com>> > http://www.themisunderstood.com>> > http://www.hrisikesh.com>> > http://www.hrisikesh.net>> > http://www.p-g-a.org>> > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net>> > http://www.generalprem.com>> > http://www.navaratna-museum.info>> > http://www.sacred-objects.info>> > sacred-objects/>> > planetary-gemology/ >> >>> > Send instant messages to your online friends> http://uk.messenger. >> >>> >>> > Links>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->>>>>> >>>>>> > Links>>>>>>>> s eye Yellow sapphire Sacred Blue sapphires Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. sacred-objects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I also found the following written in your website Lesson 1: The purpose & the division of the Zodiac The ancient Hindu way of life, based on the Karma theory, looked at the progress of the human soul based on three essential macroscopic parameters. They are: The Karma acquired from your past life, the karma you acquire by virtue of your actions in your present life and based on these your future life. They classified our present life into four broad aspects. Dharma or right living, Artha or the monetary aspect, Kama or the desires and finally Moksha or spiritual progress and liberation. They recognized the importance of balancing these four aspects of life for the proper progress. To understand and improve all these four aspects they gave us various Shastras. The Veda shastras for spiritual progress, the Dharma and Nyaya shastras for the legal and social conduct, the Artha ( finance), Ganita (mathematics), Vanijya (trade) shastras for earning money, Sangeeta (music) Nritya (dance) Shilpa (art) Kama (sex) Paka (cooking) shastras for pleasure. Finally the Jyotishya ( Jyoti=light+ Isha=God meaning the light of God to remove ignorance) was given to us as a guide, to get the best results during the most suitable times, in each of the above four areas of life. The entire basis and theology of our astrology is based on these principles. First of all you may like to read the History before using the word Hindu which was not in use during the time you are mentioning and rather it has been used sparingly by our Politicians and other such persons for getting public attention. The progress of human soul is un-touchable and not based on any thing, if you can understand the Vedas and other similiar literature. Further there are five aspects of a human life not four; these five aspects are Physical, mental, economical, social and spiritual in ascending order governed by Mars, Mercury, Venus, Saturn and Jupiter. And how ridiculous to link the Artha Shashtra with money, I doubt you ever had a chance to look at the first page of Artha Shastra. Good and best wishes for your business Adult Vish On 4/12/06, vish raj <adultvish > wrote: Hello Tata I found this mentioned on ur website In the Egyptian, Greek, western and Chinese systems of astrology only the birth chart is cast to give predictions. This is hopelessly inaccurate and insufficient. May I tell you that Egyptian were the first to use other planets except the Sun and the Moon; and the Indians adopted and mastered that. I wonder how you can say that! Further, you may not be aware that the Fifth Veda, yes it existed, was thrown at the place which is called China now a days and it was so powerful that it would have superceded all the rest. But the point was of justifiability and it was because of that reason it was discarded by Indian and not because of its applications. So how can you term them hoplelessly inaccurate and insufficient. Please take your time and understand the real meaning of being an Indian. Vish On 4/11/06, sptata (AT) astrojyoti (DOT) com < sptata (AT) astrojyoti (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Deepak,I am happy with my faith in God. You be happy with your smartness.RegardsPandit S.P.Tata > HI MR S.P TATA>> YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT A> SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A COMMON > MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET IT> RECITED BY PANDITS. 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND> THEY CANNOT BE CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT > WAS POSSIBLE IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE> MONEY OF THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT> PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT?> > WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS> THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT IS> EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE IS > SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY IS FAR> FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO BE SMART> TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND HEPLING > PEOPLE OUT.>>> --- In sacred-objects, <sptata wrote: >>>> Dear Richardji,>>>> This is regarding the Gem recommendation given in the Naradiya Puranam.>>>>>>>> Yes it is quite authentic and there is no doubt about the > translation by the>> renowned Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri.>>>>>>>> Let me make things clear so that there are no misunderstandings.>>>> 1)I am not against gems or gemologists. Gems are beautiful and the >> gemologists are the gem experts. I have bought various gems for my> wife and>> I am happy with the gems and with the gemologist who gave them. So I> do not>> "disparage gems" as you have put it. But I am dead against the > fraudulent>> astrologers who know nothing about remedies but prescribe several> stones to>> make money.>>>>>>>> 2)Sarvam Brahmamayam - or everything is Divine and sacred. So I see > Lord>> Vishnu in the Saligrama ring I wear, I see Goddess Lakshmi in the> Valampuri>> and I see Lord Rudra in the Rudrakshas I wear. It is not necessary> to have a>> carved stone or a printed photograph. If some one wants to see Sun > God in>> the Ruby he wears I'll say by all means why not. But if he thinks> that the>> stone will change his destiny, I'll say sorry, because its not so> easy to>> please God or change destiny. >>>>>>>> 2)Gems are prescribed in several Vedic astrology scriptures for> keeping in>> the Pooja of various planets. They are also prescribed as a Dana in> various >> astrological remedies. They are also used in several Ayurvedic> preparations.>> However Vedic astrology scriptures have not prescribed the wearing> of gems>> as a remedy anywhere. The Brihat Parasara Horasastra by Rishi Parasara >> prescribes a lot of remedies but doesn't prescribe wearing of gems as>> remedy. The same with the other authentic Vedic astrology scriptures> written>> by other sages like Jaimini, Garga, Varahamihira etc. These highly > evolved>> Rishis knew all the scriptures like the Vedas and Puranas, including> the>> Narada Purana, but ignored the gems as a remedy and prescribed only> Poojas>> and recital of mantras and Stotras plus Dana. >>>>>>>> 3)While practicing a profession, a fellow learns from and follows the>> prescribed, authentic, specialized texts of that profession. After> that he>> will also study a few related secondary texts but the primary text > remains>> the principle authority. In my case I follow the accepted Vedic> astrology>> texts. Because the remedies involve Poojas, mantras, Stotras and> several>> other rituals, I also study the other related scriptures like the > Vedas,>> Gita, Puranas, Mantra Sastra etc. to gain more knowledge about these> rituals>> but the texts I follow for astrology are the astrology texts.>>>>>> >> 4)The Indian scriptures fall into two categories.>>>> A) The 5 Primary scriptures - i.The Vedas & Upanishadas, ii. The> Bhagavad>> Gita, iii. The Brahma Sutras, iv. Manu Sutras, v. Patanjali Yoga > Sutras.>> These contain most of the remedial Poojas and rituals of Hinduism.> Gems are>> not prescribed for wearing as remedy in the Vedas or in the other> principle>> scriptures. >>>> B)The secondary scriptures - They are the Puranas and other> scriptures. It>> is not possible for every one to grasp the higher philosophic depth> of the>> major scriptures. Hence the great Adi Shankaracharya said that the > Vedas>> etc. principle scriptures are for the intelligent & intellectuals> who can>> grasp the in-depth meaning, practice them and teach them, where as the>> Puranas etc are for the average common man who is either semi > literate or>> illiterate. The Puranas explain the religious and social doctrines in a>> simple to understand manner with the help of several parable like> stories.>> Apart from that they also give a very detailed account of the > various Gods>> and Goddesses, their incarnations, teachings, stotras etc. They> provide us>> with the mythological stories associated with Hinduism. The Puranas> also>> contain a few stories and lines which are meant to put the fear of > God into>> the average village bumpkin's heart so that he follows all the rules> without>> failing. There are plenty of stories in the Puranas like - "She> promised to>> perform a Devi Pooja but forgot...So Devi sank the ship of her > husband . she>> had a nightmare, remembered and performed the Pooja and a whale> lifted up>> the sinking ship and the husband came home!" The Shiva Purana says the>> following about the Rudrakshas - "If you see a man wearing > Rudrakshas, you>> must prostrate at his feet. or you will go to hell." Well, if you> come to>> the Hanuman Temple at Delhi, you'll find 250 sadhus wearing> Rudrakshas and >> by the time you finish prostrating 250 times you'll have a slipped disc!>>>>>>>> So while I have learned a lot from the Puranas, there are a few> things which>> I don't agree, because several things applicable during the Dwapara > Yuga and>> Treta Yuga are not applicable now.>>>>>>>> So in conclusion I'll say that I don't believe in gems as an> astrological>> remedy because the texts of my profession don't acknowledge gems as a >> remedial measure. After that - of all the hundreds of Indian> scriptures, if>> there is just one verse in one Narada Purana which says wear ruby> etc. to>> please Sun etc., I take it with a pinch of salt. >>>>>>>> Everything in this world, both the living and the non living, emits> some>> positive vibrations and some negative vibrations called "spandana" > and so do>> the gems. But no one knows on what basis to prescribe them. Is it> for the>> flaws in the Birth chart, or for bad Dasas, or for bad transits, or> for a>> specific purpose? Suppose Saturn is bad in a chart. You want to > prescribe a>> gem for it. What about the lagna wise malefics and benefics? And> what about>> the rasi analysis and the badhaka lords? Suppose Saturn is bad for your>> lagna but good for your rasi? Do we prescribe or not? There are no > laid down>> scriptural rules.>>>>>>>> Apart from that, as we know each planet has its positive effects and> its>> negative effects - in every sign and in every house. Suppose a > planet by>> nature or situation is good for profession and bad for children. If the>> corresponding gem is prescribed and the planet becomes stronger,> suppose he>> gets a promotion but his child dies?? No one knows how to control the >> positive and negative factors. I have discussed this with several>> gem-prescribing "pundits" and no one could come up with a proper answer.>>>>>>>> All our kings used to wear loads of gems prescribed by their pundits > and all>> of them were beaten black and blue by every foreign invader from> Alexander>> to the British!!>>>>>>>> As a remedy I ask people to worship the concerned planet and its ruling >> deity. The best worship is the do it yourself Pooja or Stotra/Mantra>> recital. If one cannot do it then get it done by a good Vedic priest.>>>>>>>> I do prescribe Rudrakshas. But I tell people clearly that various > Mukhis>> represent various deities and every time it touches your chest you> remember>> the deity and that's what improves. You can read what I say on my site>> here> http://www.astrojyoti.com/rudrakshasanddeities.htm>>>>>>>> Similarly if an astrologer prescribing a gemstone tells "Diamond is for>> Venus, whose ruler is Devi. So every time it touches your finger or > your>> eyes fall on it, think of HER" I'll say hats of to him. But they> don't say>> that. They simply say "wear a Neelam and Shani dosha will be cured">>>> >>>> Normally I ignore these gem arguments and explanations. I am giving a>> detailed reply because I respect you as a gemologist and as a religious>> person. I hope you'll respect my point of view. >>>>>>>> With regards>>>> Pandit S.P.Tata>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----->> "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 >> <sptata; <sacred-objects>>> Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:30 PM >> Sri Naradiya Purana on Planetary Gemology>>>>>> > Dear Pandit Tataji,>> >>> > Attached are two Sanskrit quotes. One from ancient Naradiya Puranam, >> > and another from more recent Mani Mala (1879). The translation given>> > for the Naradiya Purana verse is not correct. I had it translated> again>> > by Delhi's famous Prof Dr Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, and this is >> > how he has translated the attached Naradiya Puranam verse...>> >>> > The translation :>> > The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is>> > eclipsed. >> > The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate>> > them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit>> > (viparita-phala).>> > For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby >> > for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars,. Emerald for Mercury,> Yellow>> > Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn,>> > Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu. >> >>> > It is not reasonable to say that a seed like Rudraksha or Valampuri>> > shell is sacred but a ruby or PEARL is not sacred. Planetary Gemology>> > is really "Sacred Gemology" and includes all sacred objects, including >> > the Sri Navaratna. You do not specialize in Navaratna gems and that is>> > fine, but there is no need to disparage gems, as they are also created>> > by Bhagavan for a purpose as explained in Sri Naradiya Puranam and >> > others.>> >>> > Best rgds,>> > Richard>> >>> > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG>> > Designer & Gemologist>> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com>> > http://www.agt-gems.com>> > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com>> > http://www.themisunderstood.com>> > http://www.hrisikesh.com>> > http://www.hrisikesh.net>> > http://www.p-g-a.org>> > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net>> > http://www.generalprem.com>> > http://www.navaratna-museum.info>> > http://www.sacred-objects.info>> > sacred-objects/>> > planetary-gemology/ >> >>> > Send instant messages to your online friends> http://uk.messenger. >> >>> >>> > Links>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->>>>>> >>>>>> > Links>>>>>>>> s eye Yellow sapphire Sacred Blue sapphires Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. sacred-objects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Dear Vish, Your name, “VISH” – meaning POISON in many Indian languages, appears to be quite appropriate, because what you are doing is really nothing but venom spitting with a holier than though attitude. Your postings remind me of a poem by a great Oriya poet, which is as follows: Mote dishoi akashoro tara tumoku dishoi ondhakaro, Mote dishoi pokhorire podmo tumoku dishoi ondhakaro It conveys the following meaning: (On a moonless night) I see the glittering stars but you see the darkness (On a visit to the pond) I see the beautiful Lotus but you see the mud In group forums people do argue but they do it in a decent manner and using decent language. For example this group master Richard Brown and me are arguing about the merits and demerits of gems and Rudrakshas as remedies but we are doing it like a couple of civilized educated people. When someone like you starts doing it in an impertinent and arrogant manner bordering on indecency and insults, they get qualified for the proverbial kick on the – you know what! So here are the answers for your four pompously arrogant blasphemous postings. Your posting #1 ““Hello Mr. Palani, Well, you sound like God but You are Not At All not even closer to it; not even closer to Human. If you can really provide such remedies do it for yourself in spite of promoting your business on groups. Vish”” My reply to the above posting#1 This posting was done by Mr. Richard Brown, the webmaster of this group. There must be some solid reason why he posted it. He must be knowing that this astrologer is good, based on experience etc. So how the hell do you question and pass judgments and stupid insulting comments on Mr. Palani like “you are not even closer to human” my dear? Did you get any wrong predictions from Mr.Palani? If so show them. If you don’t know him or his predictive ability, then just shut up. Your posting #2 ““Mr. Tata I also found the following written in your website Lesson 1: The purpose & the division of the Zodiac The ancient Hindu way of life, based on the Karma theory, looked at the progress of the human soul based on three essential macroscopic parameters. They are: The Karma acquired from your past life, the karma you acquire by virtue of your actions in your present life and based on these your future life. They classified our present life into four broad aspects. Dharma or right living, Artha or the monetary aspect, Kama or the desires and finally Moksha or spiritual progress and liberation. They recognized the importance of balancing these four aspects of life for the proper progress. To understand and improve all these four aspects they gave us various Shastras. The Veda shastras for spiritual progress, the Dharma and Nyaya shastras for the legal and social conduct, the Artha ( finance), Ganita (mathematics), Vanijya (trade) shastras for earning money, Sangeeta (music) Nritya (dance) Shilpa (art) Kama (sex) Paka (cooking) shastras for pleasure. Finally the Jyotishya ( Jyoti=light+ Isha=God meaning the light of God to remove ignorance) was given to us as a guide, to get the best results during the most suitable times, in each of the above four areas of life. The entire basis and theology of our astrology is based on these principles. First of all you may like to read the History before using the word Hindu which was not in use during the time you are mentioning and rather it has been used sparingly by our Politicians and other such persons for getting public attention. The progress of human soul is un-touchable and not based on any thing, if you can understand the Vedas and other similiar literature. Further there are five aspects of a human life not four; these five aspects are Physical, mental, economical, social and spiritual in ascending order governed by Mars, Mercury, Venus, Saturn and Jupiter. And how ridiculous to link the Artha Shashtra with money, I doubt you ever had a chance to look at the first page of Artha Shastra. Good and best wishes for your business Adult Vish”” My reply to the above posting #2 The westerners found us near the river Indus and called us “Hindus”, and the name stuck while using the English language. Most of the educated Indians and people interested in India know this, except a few like you! Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha are mentioned as the four main aspects of Hindu philosophy by ancient Rishi and the modern saints. You can go on talking about the pancha tatwas, shad chakras, sapta rishis, astha disas, navagrahas etc., but this is the basic. Artha means wealth. I don’t think I committed a crime if I wrote it as finance. Read the following scanned copy of Chanakyas Artha Sastra translation by the noted scholar L.N.Rangarajan and published by Penguin Books. It appears you have read only the 1st page! Your posting #3 ““Hello Tata I found this mentioned on ur website In the Egyptian, Greek, western and Chinese systems of astrology only the birth chart is cast to give predictions. This is hopelessly inaccurate and insufficient. May I tell you that Egyptian were the first to use other planets except the Sun and the Moon; and the Indians adopted and mastered that. I wonder how you can say that! Further, you may not be aware that the Fifth Veda, yes it existed, was thrown at the place which is called China now a days and it was so powerful that it would have superceded all the rest. But the point was of justifiability and it was because of that reason it was discarded by Indian and not because of its applications. So how can you term them hoplelessly inaccurate and insufficient. Please take your time and understand the real meaning of being an Indian. Vish”” Reply to the above posting #3 You were clever in quoting only two lines of what I wrote and in omitting the rest. The reasons are given here http://www.astrojyoti.com/introduction.htm Before the Egyptians knew astrology our ancients knew the birth stars of the various avataras of the dwapara yuga. May be you were standing by the side of Brahma when he “threw” the fifth Veda on China. Why don’t you go there? The communists will teach you some discipline!! Your posting #4 ““Hello Mr. TATA Well You said very strongly that you are happy with your faith in God. Have you ever been able to experience or understand what actually GOD is? And do you really understand the meaning of faith or just saying it for the sake of posting a smart reply! I have gone thru your web-site and I can understand how much you know? Do your business as you are doing but do not ever ever use such language for people who speak the truth. Your web-site explaining the predictive aspect of astrology perhaps lacks the basic understanding of Astrology i.e. it is Not At All a Predictive Science rather a science of probability i.e. Anuman Shashtra. I hope you understand my point|? Good wishes for your business Adult Vish”” Reply to your above posting#4 I can judge your understanding level. I am happy with my worship and God. Of course I am yet to reach the exalted spiritual level which you have reached from where you can say that a pundit is ““not even closer to human”” without even interacting with him!! And finally, thanks for the repeated wishes for my website business. My main business is garment exports, which has given me more than I need. I started this website 3 years ago to give various Stotras in text and mp3 to my clients and it grew thanks to them. Today apart from self sustaining it gives me a few lack Rupees extra, which go towards supporting two small selfless social service organizations. The 1st is the Adhyatmic Chetana Samiti, the 1st ever organization to start printing Vedic Stotras and scriptures for the blind people in Braille script and gives them freely. Details are here http://www.astrojyoti.com/helpfortheblind.htm The other is Aarohan, an organization run by a few middleclass ladies who are trying to help the slum children in and around the Malviya Nagar colony where we live. They have rounded up about 180 slum children, got them admitted in school, gave them a few old clothes, give them a medical check up and some treatment/medicines once in a week, teach them to read and write, and trying to give some vocational training. Highly evolved people like you may not know but their situation is that: -They take one bath in a week because - 1stly water is scarce and 2ndly they don’t have clothes to change anyway. -They don’t even get one proper meal per day, so to kill hunger they drink and smell an intoxicant made out of the whitener fluid (we use it to correct typo errors) which has a high alcohol content. The next step is drugs and getting hooked by gangs. -A 13 year old girl, who looks 9 years, runs along the goods train and steals bags from the goods wagon and sells them. When asked about police danger, she giggled happily and said “I just sleep with them and the let me go!!” The most fortunate slum girls are the ones who get to marry a peon or a vegetable seller who goes around with a cart. Ooo yes. To help these people, even the well wishes of impertinent idiots are welcome for my “website business” Regards Pandit S.P.Tata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 The way you reacted and tried to decipher my nick speaks of your attitude and anger while responding to my mail. and what my postings reminds you is not my concern. As far as discussions on the forums are concerned, I do have a good amount of understanding and respect for deserving messages. Like you have said that you and Mr. Richart were arguing on something, well there was nothing wrong observed by me. You being trying to act smart, left the key element that the way you discards views of other persons without being having knowledge about the same. And similarly you have done the same thing by responding to my mail to Mr. Palani and derserve the same. And I am in no mood to waste my time hence please do the same thing with yourself or get it done by some person. The main question is about the key elements but not the ways. I used the way I found appropriate for you and hereunder goes my opinion on your submissions: Your posting #1 ""Hello Mr. Palani, Well, you sound like God but You are Not At All not even closer to it; not even closer to Human. If you can really provide such remedies do it for yourself in spite of promoting your business on groups. Vish"" My reply to the above posting#1 This posting was done by Mr. Richard Brown, the webmaster of this group. There must be some solid reason why he posted it. He must be knowing that this astrologer is good, based on experience etc. So how the hell do you question and pass judgments and stupid insulting comments on Mr. Palani like "you are not even closer to human" my dear? Did you get any wrong predictions from Mr.Palani? If so show them. If you don't know him or his predictive ability, then just shut up. My comments on your misdirected approach: It is not necessary for some people to have any reason to speak and they can do it like you. And if you are acting as a secretary to Mr. Palani than it is your problem not mine. Mr. Palani submitted his mail mentioning remedies for problems like business, marriage and other things/problems and claiming to get the problems solved within 48 days. How can anyone say like that? You just are not matured enough to understand the harm done on several innocent people who are going under troublesome period and reading and approaching Mr. Palani for benefit? And he is not going to do it for free and will charge handsome amount. The money so spent by the poor/trouble facing person is going to be spend on Ajanams which were already got prepared for Sale. Mr. TATA, if you really have some knowledge of Tantra/Jayotish then, you will agree that it takes a lot of hardwork/devotion and rituals are required to be performed for making one Talisman or Ajanam (whatever you name it). Such Ajanam is supposed to carry mystical powers which will be benefitting the person wearing it. But when someone says that He has the ability to provide different Ajanams in bulk; it automatically creates the shadow of doubt on the working of the Ajanam. Further, if one gets prepared all such Ajanams in advance or even after getting the order for it, storing it for the purpose of sale destroys the energy. Making a simple Yantra for the Sun requires a lot of time, energy and patience on the part of the creater and for your information it can be made in 16 different ways. One has to be very cautious while making the Yantras because a simple yantra is required to be prepared in different ways for different persons. I can understand the agoby you are going in because of lack of appropriate knowledge. Mr. Palani may have the ability to predict but this I am not talking about. So first please try to understand, if you can what I am speaking about. I am speaking about the claim made by him on remedial front, which I found unjustifiable and hence replied. I need not to know Mr. Palani, you do it if you so desire. Okay and if YOU do not know or understand what I am speaking about, Then You decide about yourself. Mr. TATA reply to posting #2 The westerners found us near the river Indus and called us "Hindus", and the name stuck while using the English language. Most of the educated Indians and people interested in India know this, except a few like you!Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha are mentioned as the four main aspects of Hindu philosophy by ancient Rishi and the modern saints. You can go on talking about the pancha tatwas, shad chakras, sapta rishis, astha disas, navagrahas etc., but this is the basic.Artha means wealth. I don't think I committed a crime if I wrote it as finance. Read the following scanned copy of Chanakyas Artha Sastra translation by the noted scholar L.N.Rangarajan and published by Penguin Books. It appears you have read only the 1st page! My comments: Here again, you have deliberated or unknowingly discarded the main reference of my mail. Well I don't know whether I will be responding to your mails in future, but I will try to explain my points at least. Hence if you read my mails with anger, as you have done this time, it will turn into a filty disucussion which I do not want as such I understand that I can not win you. You know it has been said that a wise man should never fight with a PIG because after some time the PIG starts to enjoy the filth while the wise man suffers. Any way, if you really want to accept your weaknesses as a wise man read the mail patiently without having any personal malice for me. We do not know each other personally and you have not done any harm to me. Then why I am contradicting you should be the point of focus irrespective of reacting like a Tamasika Personality. Okay. The text chosen from your web-site goes hereunder along with my comments within: The ancient Hindu way of life, based on the Karma theory, looked at the progress of the human soul based on three essential macroscopic parameters. Here you tried to brief the ancient Vedic way of life or you may call it Hindu, if you so desire.They are: The Karma acquired from your past life, the karma you acquire by virtue of your actions in your present life and based on these your future life.If one is able to reach on the first step of Spirituality, which you are mentioning here, there is only one aspect i.e. the Present. When we talk with reference to physical existence, then only the aspect of Karma comes into focus. While on Spiritual terms, there are no dimensions of time. And this fact is known to even those common persons who are not as knowledgable as You. Further one do not acquire the Karma, he acquires the Fruit of his Karma. Even the fruits acquired by his past life deeds have been classified into different aspects, but I do not feel like sharing with an Angry person. May be that I am not having appropriate knowledge of English but would you mind looking at the sentence once again. First you speak of three macroscopic parameters and then you are mentioning only two possibilities. The Karma acquired from the past life; the karma acquired by virtue of action in present. Do you mean the third parameter as the Karma based on these your future life? What does it mean, Mr. TATA? So in brief you failed to conclude the ancient Vedic approach properly, used wrong words and teaching me to read some texts again. WOW, that's great. They classified our present life into four broad aspects. Dharma or right living, Artha or the monetary aspect, Kama or the desires and finally Moksha or spiritual progress and liberation. They recognized the importance of balancing these four aspects of life for the proper progress. To understand and improve all these four aspects they gave us various Shastras. The Veda shastras for spiritual progress, the Dharma and Nyaya shastras for the legal and social conduct, the Artha ( finance), Ganita (mathematics), Vanijya (trade) shastras for earning money, Sangeeta (music) Nritya (dance) Shilpa (art) Kama (sex) Paka (cooking) shastras for pleasure. Finally the Jyotishya ( Jyoti=light+ Isha=God meaning the light of God to remove ignorance) was given to us as a guide, to get the best results during the most suitable times, in each of the above four areas of life. The entire basis and theology of our astrology is based on these principles. Mr. TATA, you are really so poor in understanding the Vedic approach. You circled the word Dharma with right living. Well done. Thereafter, you speak of Artha, Kama and Moksha. If you had really understood the aspects you are boasting so energeticly, you would not made such a mistake of Placing these terms in ridiculously appropriate manner. That is Dharma is circled with Right Living and the monetary aspect or the Artha coming after Dharma and spiritual progress is being called Moksha and coming after Kama or the desires. When we use Artha separately, then only it can be treated as equal to Finance. You perhaps need to learn the Sanskrit also. Artha-Shashtra means the Science of Economy and you being such a knowledgable and educated personality, does such a foolish mistake and not only that you are also defending yourself. This speaks of your understanding of Astrology/Spirituality/religion/vedas and you claim to provide relief to other persons. You have mentioned in your preceding mails that you have an appropriate meaning of earning. Well, in that case you are not eligible to charge any amount as per Dharma. It has been very clearly said that An Astrologer is not supposed to claim or charge any financial benefit for the services rendered by Him to a person. And it is only when he (the astrologer) is left with no other choice, he can accept what ever is offered but not claim. This is a proven fact and given in bold lines in the Granthas, Vedas, Texts you are boasting of having knowledge about. Have you not pretended to be a Spiritual Person having knowledge about Dharma, religion or spirituality, I would not have perhaps commented like that. Further, wherefrom you made to understand that Astrology is a Predictive Science. It has also been mentioned in bold Lines that Astrology is Anuman Shastra i.e. Science/Art of Probability. The very Indian theory of Karma become irrelevant if one fails to understand this concept. So My Dear TATA JEE nothing can be predicted but we can Guess it within different levels. Reply to the above posting #3 You were clever in quoting only two lines of what I wrote and in omitting the rest. Before the Egyptians knew astrology our ancients knew the birth stars of the various avataras of the dwapara yuga. May be you were standing by the side of Brahma when he "threw" the fifth Veda on China. Why don't you go there? The communists will teach you some discipline!! When you do not have the appropriate response, this is the best way of avoiding it. This is what you have done. You are mentioning the Egypticians, Chinese and Western system of astrology hopelessly inaccurate and insufficient without even knowing about that. What right you have got to defy other persons/cultures perspective? As you have commented on me if I was standing near the Brahma when he threw the fifth Veda. Tell me, from where you made to understand that when I have not mentioned the name of Brahma in my comment. This speaks of your nature about completing the sentences at your own. I contradicted you in the same way you are contradicting the culture and systems of Egypticians, Chinese and Western System. And I am doing it in front of you but not like you are doing it Clandestinly. So Mr. Tata it seems that whenever you Visit these countries and people become aware of your attitude towards there culture, You can imagine what they will do to yourself. If you lack some knowledge you should focus upon having it in spite of replying in a ridiculous manner. Reply to your above posting#4 I can judge your understanding level. I am happy with my worship and God. Of course I am yet to reach the exalted spiritual level which you have reached from where you can say that a pundit is ""not even closer to human"" without even interacting with him!!And finally, thanks for the repeated wishes for my website business. My main business is garment exports, which has given me more than I need. I started this website 3 years ago to give various Stotras in text and mp3 to my clients and it grew thanks to them. Today apart from self sustaining it gives me a few lack Rupees extra, which go towards supporting two small selfless social service organizations.The 1st is the Adhyatmic Chetana Samiti, the 1st ever organization to start printing Vedic Stotras and scriptures for the blind people in Braille script and gives them freely. Details are here http://www.astrojyoti.com/helpfortheblind.htm The other is Aarohan, an organization run by a few middleclass ladies who are trying to help the slum children in and around the Malviya Nagar colony where we live. They have rounded up about 180 slum children, got them admitted in school, gave them a few old clothes, give them a medical check up and some treatment/medicines once in a week, teach them to read and write, and trying to give some vocational training. Highly evolved people like you may not know but their situation is that: -They take one bath in a week because - 1stly water is scarce and 2ndly they don't have clothes to change anyway. -They don't even get one proper meal per day, so to kill hunger they drink and smell an intoxicant made out of the whitener fluid (we use it to correct typo errors) which has a high alcohol content. The next step is drugs and getting hooked by gangs. -A 13 year old girl, who looks 9 years, runs along the goods train and steals bags from the goods wagon and sells them. When asked about police danger, she giggled happily and said "I just sleep with them and the let me go!!" The most fortunate slum girls are the ones who get to marry a peon or a vegetable seller who goes around with a cart.Ooo yes. To help these people, even the well wishes of impertinent idiots are welcome for my "website business" Regards Pandit S.P.Tata Thanks Mr. Tata for your regards. You must know that the term Pundit refers to a Person who live the life of a Pundit irrespective of his birth clan. One person born in a family of Pundits and doing all wrong deeds or such deeds which are not supposed to be done by a Pundit, can not be treated as a Pundit. So if you have ever been able to understand the meaning of the term Pundit, Human, God; you would have resisted to respond in the manner you have done. I do not mind yourself earning and gaining finance and will always be wishing you All the Best (I really mean it) for such purpose. But the One who really understand the Spritual aspect of a Human life (as per Vedic approach) will refrain from making such childish statements. Therefore, I am not telling you how much and in what way and what I earn because this is not the matter concerned. My point in brief is as under: Imparting/sharing knowledge is good required one has the ability to understand it first. Little knowledge is always dangerous because it lets you struck in the middle. One need not to learn and work in many aspects of life with little knowledge. In simple words, being Jack of Everything and Master of None has been considered a foolish approach. Mr. Deepak has replied appropriately which is as under:HI MR S.P TATA YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT ASIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A COMMONMAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET ITRECITED BY PANDITS. Except you no other person will deny the afore stated fact. 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA ANDTHEY CANNOT BE CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS ITWAS POSSIBLE IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE MONEY OF THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THATPANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT? Definitely. Because I bet you even do not know how to start the Ritual for any religious/spiritual purpose. It has a sacred way of starting it without which the Ritual will not become complete or successful. So he made an appropriate point with which I completely agree. WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE ISTHE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT ISEFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE ISSIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY IS FAR FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO BE SMARTTO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND HEPLINGPEOPLE OUT. This is also correct on practical grounds. Now just look at your response: I am happy with my faith in God. You be happy with your smartnessIn spite of giving the person reasonable response you acted Smartly. May be because you do not have the answers. Simply because, sugesting a gem may not allow you to earn much, you are referring the other remedies about which you are not amply knowledgable. This is nothing but befooling common people for want of Money and therefore, you deserved the response you Had. I have replied or responded without any malice or anger while you have reacted like a Tamasika Personality and still consider yourself a Pundit. So please be happy with your Pundit attitude but whenever I will observe any one doing wrong on Spiritual grounds, I am bound to react as per Dharma. It may be that I face problems or get defeated but that does not bother me. Dharma is not for boasting of your good deeds; not for preaching others but for living it. I tried to live as per Dharma and sometimes I also make mistakes but I try to learn from my mistakes in spite of winning the argument for the sake of Nashwar Sansara. Had you been really Pundit and replied accordingly, I would have submitted my deepest apologies for the harsh words I have used but it was not so. Hence, no matter what you think of yourself or other persons but the fact will remain intact that you are still missing a lot to be learned. And if you think that you need not to learn anything else, it is your opinion. Further, if you think that a person like me, who lacks appropriate manner as per your understanding, knows nothing and just talking rubbish, then also it will be your attitude. Please have my best wishes for your business. Adultvish (One has to have knowledge of the grammer of the launguage he is dealing in; In english V(w)ish stands for desire and adultvish reciprocates the matured desire/understanding. In spite of reacting in Childish way you should have understood the indept meaning of my comments which can only be done with patience and cool mind. So the choice is yours) On 4/14/06, sptata (AT) astrojyoti (DOT) com < sptata (AT) astrojyoti (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Vish, Your name, "VISH" – meaning POISON in many Indian languages, appears to be quite appropriate, because what you are doing is really nothing but venom spitting with a holier than though attitude. Your postings remind me of a poem by a great Oriya poet, which is as follows: Mote dishoi akashoro tara tumoku dishoi ondhakaro, Mote dishoi pokhorire podmo tumoku dishoi ondhakaro It conveys the following meaning: (On a moonless night) I see the glittering stars but you see the darkness (On a visit to the pond) I see the beautiful Lotus but you see the mud In group forums people do argue but they do it in a decent manner and using decent language. For example this group master Richard Brown and me are arguing about the merits and demerits of gems and Rudrakshas as remedies but we are doing it like a couple of civilized educated people. When someone like you starts doing it in an impertinent and arrogant manner bordering on indecency and insults, they get qualified for the proverbial kick on the – you know what! So here are the answers for your four pompously arrogant blasphemous postings. Your posting #1 ""Hello Mr. Palani, Well, you sound like God but You are Not At All not even closer to it; not even closer to Human. If you can really provide such remedies do it for yourself in spite of promoting your business on groups. Vish"" My reply to the above posting#1 This posting was done by Mr. Richard Brown, the webmaster of this group. There must be some solid reason why he posted it. He must be knowing that this astrologer is good, based on experience etc. So how the hell do you question and pass judgments and stupid insulting comments on Mr. Palani like "you are not even closer to human" my dear? Did you get any wrong predictions from Mr.Palani? If so show them. If you don't know him or his predictive ability, then just shut up. Your posting #2 ""Mr. Tata I also found the following written in your website Lesson 1: The purpose & the division of the Zodiac The ancient Hindu way of life, based on the Karma theory, looked at the progress of the human soul based on three essential macroscopic parameters. They are: The Karma acquired from your past life, the karma you acquire by virtue of your actions in your present life and based on these your future life. They classified our present life into four broad aspects. Dharma or right living, Artha or the monetary aspect, Kama or the desires and finally Moksha or spiritual progress and liberation. They recognized the importance of balancing these four aspects of life for the proper progress. To understand and improve all these four aspects they gave us various Shastras. The Veda shastras for spiritual progress, the Dharma and Nyaya shastras for the legal and social conduct, the Artha ( finance), Ganita (mathematics), Vanijya (trade) shastras for earning money, Sangeeta (music) Nritya (dance) Shilpa (art) Kama (sex) Paka (cooking) shastras for pleasure. Finally the Jyotishya ( Jyoti=light+ Isha=God meaning the light of God to remove ignorance) was given to us as a guide, to get the best results during the most suitable times, in each of the above four areas of life. The entire basis and theology of our astrology is based on these principles. First of all you may like to read the History before using the word Hindu which was not in use during the time you are mentioning and rather it has been used sparingly by our Politicians and other such persons for getting public attention. The progress of human soul is un-touchable and not based on any thing, if you can understand the Vedas and other similiar literature. Further there are five aspects of a human life not four; these five aspects are Physical, mental, economical, social and spiritual in ascending order governed by Mars, Mercury, Venus, Saturn and Jupiter. And how ridiculous to link the Artha Shashtra with money, I doubt you ever had a chance to look at the first page of Artha Shastra. Good and best wishes for your business Adult Vish"" My reply to the above posting #2 The westerners found us near the river Indus and called us "Hindus", and the name stuck while using the English language. Most of the educated Indians and people interested in India know this, except a few like you! Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha are mentioned as the four main aspects of Hindu philosophy by ancient Rishi and the modern saints. You can go on talking about the pancha tatwas, shad chakras, sapta rishis, astha disas, navagrahas etc., but this is the basic. Artha means wealth. I don't think I committed a crime if I wrote it as finance. Read the following scanned copy of Chanakyas Artha Sastra translation by the noted scholar L.N.Rangarajan and published by Penguin Books. It appears you have read only the 1st page! Your posting #3 ""Hello Tata I found this mentioned on ur website In the Egyptian, Greek, western and Chinese systems of astrology only the birth chart is cast to give predictions. This is hopelessly inaccurate and insufficient. May I tell you that Egyptian were the first to use other planets except the Sun and the Moon; and the Indians adopted and mastered that. I wonder how you can say that! Further, you may not be aware that the Fifth Veda, yes it existed, was thrown at the place which is called China now a days and it was so powerful that it would have superceded all the rest. But the point was of justifiability and it was because of that reason it was discarded by Indian and not because of its applications. So how can you term them hoplelessly inaccurate and insufficient. Please take your time and understand the real meaning of being an Indian. Vish"" Reply to the above posting #3 You were clever in quoting only two lines of what I wrote and in omitting the rest. The reasons are given here http://www.astrojyoti.com/introduction.htm Before the Egyptians knew astrology our ancients knew the birth stars of the various avataras of the dwapara yuga. May be you were standing by the side of Brahma when he "threw" the fifth Veda on China. Why don't you go there? The communists will teach you some discipline!! Your posting #4 ""Hello Mr. TATA Well You said very strongly that you are happy with your faith in God. Have you ever been able to experience or understand what actually GOD is? And do you really understand the meaning of faith or just saying it for the sake of posting a smart reply! I have gone thru your web-site and I can understand how much you know? Do your business as you are doing but do not ever ever use such language for people who speak the truth. Your web-site explaining the predictive aspect of astrology perhaps lacks the basic understanding of Astrology i.e. it is Not At All a Predictive Science rather a science of probability i.e. Anuman Shashtra. I hope you understand my point|? Good wishes for your business Adult Vish"" Reply to your above posting#4 I can judge your understanding level. I am happy with my worship and God. Of course I am yet to reach the exalted spiritual level which you have reached from where you can say that a pundit is ""not even closer to human"" without even interacting with him!! And finally, thanks for the repeated wishes for my website business. My main business is garment exports, which has given me more than I need. I started this website 3 years ago to give various Stotras in text and mp3 to my clients and it grew thanks to them. Today apart from self sustaining it gives me a few lack Rupees extra, which go towards supporting two small selfless social service organizations. The 1st is the Adhyatmic Chetana Samiti, the 1st ever organization to start printing Vedic Stotras and scriptures for the blind people in Braille script and gives them freely. Details are here http://www.astrojyoti.com/helpfortheblind.htm The other is Aarohan, an organization run by a few middleclass ladies who are trying to help the slum children in and around the Malviya Nagar colony where we live. They have rounded up about 180 slum children, got them admitted in school, gave them a few old clothes, give them a medical check up and some treatment/medicines once in a week, teach them to read and write, and trying to give some vocational training. Highly evolved people like you may not know but their situation is that: -They take one bath in a week because - 1stly water is scarce and 2ndly they don't have clothes to change anyway. -They don't even get one proper meal per day, so to kill hunger they drink and smell an intoxicant made out of the whitener fluid (we use it to correct typo errors) which has a high alcohol content. The next step is drugs and getting hooked by gangs. -A 13 year old girl, who looks 9 years, runs along the goods train and steals bags from the goods wagon and sells them. When asked about police danger, she giggled happily and said "I just sleep with them and the let me go!!" The most fortunate slum girls are the ones who get to marry a peon or a vegetable seller who goes around with a cart. Ooo yes. To help these people, even the well wishes of impertinent idiots are welcome for my "website business" Regards Pandit S.P.Tata Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. sacred-objects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Dear Mr.Vish, Please note that i do not have any personal problems with any of you. "YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT A SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A COMMON MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET IT RECITED BY PANDITS. " This is wrong because a common man cannot even dream of buying a flawless stone. If you cannot afford a pundit then you will also be unable to purchase an equivalent gemstone. 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND THEY CANNOT BE CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT WAS POSSIBLE IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE MONEY OF THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT? This depends on who is performing the ritual. If you say that rituals are unsuccessful in Kaliyuga then even stones are worthless. All stones are Pranaheena objects and they require proper Pranpratishtha before wearing. If your statement number one is right then your next statement is wrong. WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT IS EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE IS SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY IS FAR FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO BE SMART TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND HEPLING PEOPLE OUT. I do not know who told you this but wearing planetary gems as per scriptural advice is not easy too. They require long elaborate pooja and if they work then the rest of remedies will also work. And please note that you are not helping people out by selling gemstones. A poor person who is passing through a problematic Shani dahsa will not get helped by spending his lifesaving on a flawless stone. You should also note that there are planets for which you can never recommend any stones. They need to be propitiated with right rituals only. Also Mr.Tata was absolutely right that none of the Vedic scriptures confirm the use of stones for remedy. Ratnarpana is there but no wearing is mentioned. I agree to your statement that what Mr.Palani advertised, was wrong. But the words you wrote against him were also wrong. All pundits or Poojaris are not thugs. Everybody gets the fruits according to his deeds. Do not blame everybody just because you met someone who was bad. Please note that your statement that Egyptians were first to use Sun and Moon is wrong. Indian astrology carried those definitions much before the Egyptians were born. My dear, Indians never adopted such things from them. I wonder if you ever know the name Varahmihira. He came much after Parashara and he was the one who adopted some Egyptian astrology. Also please read astrology first to comment about it. Chinese and western systems is lacking in many areas. They are not completely hopeless but they are not "Purna" too. If you have read something about iching then you will notice how incomplete it is. Instead of launching a baseless tirade against somebody first try to decipher the real meaning of things. You sound as if you are the only person in this world with complete knowledge. This attitude was wrong against a person who is much elder to you and is helping the needy with his income. (He is very old astrologer.) Regards A.J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 My comments are appended below in the message: On 4/15/06, a_jagawat <a_jagawat > wrote: Dear Mr.Vish,Please note that i do not have any personal problems with any of you. "YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT A SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A COMMON MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET IT RECITED BY PANDITS. " This is wrong because a common man cannot even dream of buying a flawless stone. If you cannot afford a pundit then you will also be unable to purchase an equivalent gemstone. For you information, even medium quality stones and semi-precious stones were found to be working on remedial front. Further, the price of a gemstone can be negotiated. 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND THEY CANNOT BE CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT WAS POSSIBLE IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE MONEY OF THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT? This depends on who is performing the ritual. If you say that rituals are unsuccessful in Kaliyuga then even stones are worthless. All stones are Pranaheena objects and they require proper Pranpratishtha before wearing. For your information, wearing a gem without any ritual does retain average strength. The stones does have energy and they work better with proper rituals. If your statement number one is right then your next statement is wrong. I don't think SO. WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT IS EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE IS SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY IS FAR FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO BE SMART TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND HEPLING PEOPLE OUT. I do not know who told you this but wearing planetary gems as per scriptural advice is not easy too. They require long elaborate pooja and if they work then the rest of remedies will also work. And please note that you are not helping people out by selling gemstones. A poor person who is passing through a problematic Shani dahsa will not get helped by spending his lifesaving on a flawless stone. I am not in selling my astrological skills nor I deal in Selling gem stones. I offer the gems free of cost to needy people in spite of making money out of it. You should also note that there are planets for which you can never recommend any stones. They need to be propitiated with right rituals only. And such rituals do not necessarily include the fake Yantras but can eaily be conducted with dedication. Also Mr.Tata was absolutely right that none of the Vedic scriptures confirm the use of stones for remedy. Ratnarpana is there but no wearing is mentioned. You may like to peruse Parashar Hora. The second part deals only with the remedial front including use of stones/gems for remedial purpose i.e. wearing the stone or donating it. I agree to your statement that what Mr.Palani advertised, was wrong. But the words you wrote against him were also wrong. All pundits or Poojaris are not thugs. Everybody gets the fruits according to his deeds. Do not blame everybody just because you met someone who was bad. I have no where said that all Pundit are thugs. I said it for Mr. Palani. What is bothering you my dear? Please note that your statement that Egyptians were first to use Sun and Moon is wrong. Indian astrology carried those definitions much before the Egyptians were born. My dear, Indians never adopted such things from them. I wonder if you ever know the name Varahmihira. He came much after Parashara and he was the one who adopted some Egyptian astrology. What can I say in this regard? Either I have to waste my 2 hours to post the authentic text word by word or I can just sit and relax. And I have many important things to look after. Also please read astrology first to comment about it. Chinese and western systems is lacking in many areas. They are not completely hopeless but they are not "Purna" too. If you have read something about iching then you will notice how incomplete it is. Well said. If one reads and understands, the comments made thereafter contain some weight. Chinise and Western systems were lacking as per your understanding but not as per the requirements of the society concerned. For example, some religion or tribe welcome more than one marriage while some not. So we have no right to comment on the other because all have adopted the customs as per their understanding. Instead of launching a baseless tirade against somebody first try to decipher the real meaning of things. You sound as if you are the only person in this world with complete knowledge. This attitude was wrong against a person who is much elder to you and is helping the needy with his income. (He is very old astrologer.) I doubt if you know my age. Further just being old does not allow some one to act unjustifiably. I may not be the only person with knowledge but I am aware that some people's knowledge is really poor on practical front. Regards Same to you. A.J Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. sacred-objects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 I THINK MR JAGWAT AND MR TATA SHOULD CONTROL THEIR MOUTH ON THIS GEMOLOGY SITE. sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat wrote: > > Dear Mr.Vish, > > Please note that i do not have any personal problems with any of > you. > > "YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT > A SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A > COMMON MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET > IT RECITED BY PANDITS. " > > This is wrong because a common man cannot even dream of buying a > flawless stone. If you cannot afford a pundit then you will also be > unable to purchase an equivalent gemstone. > > 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND THEY CANNOT BE > CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT WAS POSSIBLE > IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE MONEY OF > THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT > PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT? > > This depends on who is performing the ritual. If you say that > rituals are unsuccessful in Kaliyuga then even stones are worthless. > All stones are Pranaheena objects and they require proper > Pranpratishtha before wearing. > > If your statement number one is right then your next statement is > wrong. > > WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS > THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT > IS EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE > IS SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY > IS FAR FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS TO > BE SMART TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND > HEPLING PEOPLE OUT. > > I do not know who told you this but wearing planetary gems as per > scriptural advice is not easy too. They require long elaborate pooja > and if they work then the rest of remedies will also work. And > please note that you are not helping people out by selling > gemstones. A poor person who is passing through a problematic Shani > dahsa will not get helped by spending his lifesaving on a flawless > stone. > > You should also note that there are planets for which you can never > recommend any stones. They need to be propitiated with right rituals > only. > > > Also Mr.Tata was absolutely right that none of the Vedic scriptures > confirm the use of stones for remedy. Ratnarpana is there but no > wearing is mentioned. > > I agree to your statement that what Mr.Palani advertised, was wrong. > But the words you wrote against him were also wrong. All pundits or > Poojaris are not thugs. Everybody gets the fruits according to his > deeds. Do not blame everybody just because you met someone who was > bad. > > > Please note that your statement that Egyptians were first to use Sun > and Moon is wrong. Indian astrology carried those definitions much > before the Egyptians were born. My dear, Indians never adopted such > things from them. I wonder if you ever know the name Varahmihira. He > came much after Parashara and he was the one who adopted some > Egyptian astrology. > > Also please read astrology first to comment about it. Chinese and > western systems is lacking in many areas. They are not completely > hopeless but they are not "Purna" too. If you have read something > about iching then you will notice how incomplete it is. > > > Instead of launching a baseless tirade against somebody first try to > decipher the real meaning of things. You sound as if you are the > only person in this world with complete knowledge. This attitude was > wrong against a person who is much elder to you and is helping the > needy with his income. (He is very old astrologer.) > > Regards > > A.J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Dear Sir, Thank you very much for such knowledgeable comments. You are very wise and intelligent. Regards Alok Jagawat sacred-objects, "DEEPAK" <dny789 wrote: > > I THINK MR JAGWAT AND MR TATA SHOULD CONTROL THEIR MOUTH ON THIS > GEMOLOGY SITE. > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Vish, > > > > Please note that i do not have any personal problems with any of > > you. > > > > "YOU SUGGESTION TO RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS TO PLEASE PLANETS IS NOT > > A SIMPLE METHODOLOGY FOR PACIFYING PLANETS IN THIS KALIYUGA. A > > COMMON MAN CANNOT RECITE MANTRAS/STROTRAS PROPERLY OR AFFORD TO GET > > IT RECITED BY PANDITS. " > > > > This is wrong because a common man cannot even dream of buying a > > flawless stone. If you cannot afford a pundit then you will also be > > unable to purchase an equivalent gemstone. > > > > 99% OF RITUALS ARE NOT SUCESSFUL IN KALIYUGA AND THEY CANNOT BE > > CONDUCTED STRICTLY AS PER THE SCRIPTURAL GUIDANCE AS IT WAS > POSSIBLE > > IN PREVIOUS YUGAS. MAJORITY OF PANDITS ARE THERE TO MAKE MONEY OF > > THE COSTLY RITUALS. WHO KNOWS AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH ON THAT > > PANDIT , WHETHER HE WILL REAP BENEFIT OR NOT? > > > > This depends on who is performing the ritual. If you say that > > rituals are unsuccessful in Kaliyuga then even stones are > worthless. > > All stones are Pranaheena objects and they require proper > > Pranpratishtha before wearing. > > > > If your statement number one is right then your next statement is > > wrong. > > > > WEARING PALNETARY GEMS AS PER SCRIPTURAL AND ASTROLOGICAL ADVICE IS > > THE MOST SIMPLE WAY IN THIS KALIYUGA TO DEAL WITH PLANETS. AND IT > > IS EFFECTIVE TOO. WHY GO FOR COSTLY AND DOUBTFUL RITUALS WHEN THERE > > IS SIMPLE REMEDY IN UR HANDS . I MYSELF HAVE FOUND THAT GEM REMEDY > > IS FAR FAR EFFECTIVE THAN RITUALS IN THIS PRESENT YUGA. ONE NEEDS > TO > > BE SMART TO ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE IN CURRENT TIME AND > > HEPLING PEOPLE OUT. > > > > I do not know who told you this but wearing planetary gems as per > > scriptural advice is not easy too. They require long elaborate > pooja > > and if they work then the rest of remedies will also work. And > > please note that you are not helping people out by selling > > gemstones. A poor person who is passing through a problematic Shani > > dahsa will not get helped by spending his lifesaving on a flawless > > stone. > > > > You should also note that there are planets for which you can never > > recommend any stones. They need to be propitiated with right > rituals > > only. > > > > > > Also Mr.Tata was absolutely right that none of the Vedic scriptures > > confirm the use of stones for remedy. Ratnarpana is there but no > > wearing is mentioned. > > > > I agree to your statement that what Mr.Palani advertised, was > wrong. > > But the words you wrote against him were also wrong. All pundits or > > Poojaris are not thugs. Everybody gets the fruits according to his > > deeds. Do not blame everybody just because you met someone who was > > bad. > > > > > > Please note that your statement that Egyptians were first to use > Sun > > and Moon is wrong. Indian astrology carried those definitions much > > before the Egyptians were born. My dear, Indians never adopted such > > things from them. I wonder if you ever know the name Varahmihira. > He > > came much after Parashara and he was the one who adopted some > > Egyptian astrology. > > > > Also please read astrology first to comment about it. Chinese and > > western systems is lacking in many areas. They are not completely > > hopeless but they are not "Purna" too. If you have read something > > about iching then you will notice how incomplete it is. > > > > > > Instead of launching a baseless tirade against somebody first try > to > > decipher the real meaning of things. You sound as if you are the > > only person in this world with complete knowledge. This attitude > was > > wrong against a person who is much elder to you and is helping the > > needy with his income. (He is very old astrologer.) > > > > Regards > > > > A.J > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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