RE: [vedic astrology] Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on Planetary G...

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Richard and Arjun,

Namaste

 

I do not to donating a gomeda to a leper. Do

you? What's he going to do? Take away your bad karma on your behalf when he

himself is riddled with disease?

We need to be more realistic here. The Puranas do not

to such remedies. Instead, they do suggest dakshina to a

Brahmana/Purohit. This is so that we hope the Brahmana/Purohit can take away

some of our bad karma. This can be done in one of several ways: When transits

are averse or just before the person dies/or during a shraddha.

My suggestion is that, gifts (of gems and other

items) have to be new and not your cast offs.

 

Regarding the slokas sent by Richard (embedded below),

these are my initial thoughts:

 

The language is not ancient Sanskrit where there was

less tendency of using synonyms there (an opinion after reading tomes of it;

but am no expert!!)

The slokas are more modern phenomenon to use words

like "Avaneya". It is interesting to note that midway in the first

line of shloka 81 the author has forgotten that he is writing for Viguna graha

Dharanaa. Certainly not something the ancients would do! I venture a

guess that this comes from Jaina source of astrological texts which are of a

much later origin. Gaurav, what do you

think?

 

But there does not appear to be any variance about the

ratnas that need to be worn from that of Narada Purana as long as we relate the

Ratnas which are recommended for Dana as they relate to the grahas.

 

What is in variance is in the matter of those that

need to be worn.

 

A careful look indicates that the shlokas are describing

Viguna - meaning that when the grahas are inimical – for example, Jupiter

is malefic (functional malefic), the recommendation is to wear Pearl. For Cancer

lagna Jupiter will be

malefic being the 6th moolatrikona lord, and here strengthening Moon will

certainly make sense as Jupiter is going to create health problems and also

since Moon does not own any bad house. More so if Jupiter is occupying the 8th House!

 

In the 3rd sloka, the author appears to have changed

the basis on which he's written the first two shlokas.

 

For the meaning to be clear, one must also get the

shlokas, that indicate what is Viguna. I assume that it must be given the book.

Much would depend on which position of a graha or its rasi is called as Viguna.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

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[vedic astrology]

On Behalf Of panditarjun2004

Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:28 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on

Planetary G...

 

namaste richard ji

 

the simple rule of anukul/pratikul remedies are clear

like this.

 

retain or wear the objects of a beneficial planet.

donate or throw in water the objects of a malefic

planet.

 

in lalkitab system of remedies, this is what is

followed precisely.

 

after years of research through lalkitab remedies, i

found stones

would work positively only if those planets are

beneficial to the

native in a chart. when the planets are malefic,

since natives

cannot afford donating precious stones, they can

donate objects

related to those malefic planets. this is where

lalkitab comes

handy.

 

i do not agree with gauravji's observation that if you

wear a pearn

for moon, besides moon, jupiter would also be

benefited and at the

same time mars gets debilitated. in my knowledge

stones have

scientific properties and their single objective is to

receive/absorb the cosmic energies of the respective

planets.

simply put, if you wear a stone for a particular

planet, if that

planet is a benefic the native gets positive results,

and if that

planet is malefic, the native gets negative results.

 

because of these ambivalence in stone recommendations,

i recommend

rudraksha as several puranas attribute lords to each

rudaksha and

also attribute what benefits the wearer gets. no

anukul, no

pratikul. also it has no negative affects.

 

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology,

"Richard Shaw-Brown II"

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Dear Sriman,

>

> The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses

79-81 are

correct. I have uploaded the

> original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section of

this group for

anyone to check.

>

> Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears

that Mani Mala is

an imperfect source

> of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed

as is.

>

> One thing interesting is that books on Indian

gemology, like Mani

Mala, they only talk

> about adverse planets. And they never mention

what to do for

Anukul planets (which is

> obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha,

viz., Anukula-

vad)!??

>

> Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the

gem (ratna-arpana),

and for Anukul Graha

> we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that

gems strengthen

their plant when worn,

> and reduce their planet when donated. One is

accepting, other is

giving away.

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

>

> vedic astrology,

yobrevol@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna

||

> >

> > Namaste Richard Ji,

> >

> > So they are actually correct. Please

understand that my

reservations were

> > not personal towards you in nature, rather

towards the stated

translation. I am

> > in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I

also come from

Anukul school of

> > thought as taught by my guru.

> >

> > I am just trying to figure out why would

mani mala say what it

states in

> > sloka 80+...have you read another version of

mani mala

translated by another

> > author...?

> >

> > To think that we should wear Blue sapphire

for adverse moon is

beyond my

> > limited understanding, specially when we

make a blunt general

statement like

> > that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor

debilitated in saturn

signs, and then

> > the author of mani mala further suggests

wearing a pearl for

adverse

> > Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so

their is inconsistency

here...

> >

> > Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other

learned will throw

some light...

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav Jain

> >

> > In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M.

Eastern Standard

Time,

> > rsbj66@ writes:

> >

> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything,

these are three slokas

taken from

> > Mani Mala

> > written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm

just putting these

slokas out

> > for comment.

> >

> > I personally agree with the first

sloka 79. When Sun is adverse

one should

> > DONATE a ruby,

> > for adverse Moon one should donate a

pearl, as in Ratna-dana-

vidhi

> >

> > And when these planets are beneficial

(anukul) then one should

WEAR the

> > associated gem,

> > as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby

can be worn, as in

ratna-dharana.

> >

> > Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem

should be DONATED for

bad planet.

> >

> > I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But

as they are from

the famous

> > Mani Mali so I

> > have put them for your interest.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Richard

> >

> > vedic astrology,

yobrevol@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna

||

> > >

> > > Namaste richard ji,

> > >

> > > If I am reading it correctly , what you

are suggesting via

these slokas is

> >

> > > that we should give away diamond

to propitiate venus, and at

the same time

> > wear

> > > diamond when venus is

adverse? and that we wear blue

sapphire to nullify

> > > adverse effects of

moon?....lets not forget that jupiter

exalts in

> > cancer, so

> > > how in the right mind can we

suggest wearing pearl to "ward

off" the

> > adverse

> > > effects of

jupiter...?

> > >

> > > are you sure about the authenticity of

the translations?

> > >

> > > Also, to the learned, where can I get

a copy of Mani mala?

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > > Gaurav Jain

> > >

> > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03

P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > >

> > > Translation 79: Ill Stars and how

to propitiate them by

bestowal (dana)

> > > of gems:

> > >

> > > When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure

ruby; when the Moon,

a good

> > > pearl; when Mangala, a good coral;

when Budha, a good

emerald; when

> > > Brihaspati, a good yellow

sapphire; when Shukra, the

diamond; when

> > > Shani, a good blue sapphire; when

Rahu, the gomeda; and when

Ketu, a

> > > good cat's eye, should be donated

> > >

> > > Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and

how to ward them off by

wearing

> > > (dharan) of gems:

> > >

> > > If the Sun is adverse,

(wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon,

the blue

> > > sapphire; if Mangala, the

ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if

Vrihaspati,

> > > the pearl; if Shukra, the

diamond; if Shani, the great blue

sapphire;

> > > if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu,

the emerald, should be

worn.

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