Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Dear Richardsir, yes, i too have heard that hatha jodi absorbs 1 litre til oil..but i haven't tested this..i have seen hatha jodis and they never looked fake although it does look like a bird body part...but in mumbai you get them for rs 150-250 that is about 3 to 6 usd...but i dont think any trader (i don't mean a website) gives a certificate of authencity for this...generally, in india, traders of sacred objects behave as if they are favouring the buyer....''only if the lord wants you to get this can you buy this...'' is an oft-repeated quote which i believe is true but misused by selfish traders... now the prices i see of gems, conches and hatha jodis are shocking to say the least...the other day, a trader from bihar who was part of some tantra group claimed he had access to a INR 5 lakh 21-nail tortoise..he was ready to hike the price by another INR 3 lakhs! He said he had a blue sapphire which was to be sold for INR 25 Crores! first the so called item has to be glorified as rare and sacred, then you have people running mad after that, you can hike the price by at least a few hundred times...of course, there are genuine people in the trade...but they are hurtingly few.. warm regards aadi since shree phadke, a botany expert, sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > So far i only know one person who knows about a real hatha Jodi. He > tested it the way i informed about and it worked. The idea came from > certain tantric literature which are written by a tantric in Mathura. > Interstingly the Hatha Jodi and Siyar Singi are both kept together in > Vermillion. > > I have four real siyar singis and i have purchased a fake one from > the market too. The original eats away vermillion and its hairs keep > on growing. Both these objects are used for Navarana Tantra. They > attract 'Shree' when kept together. > > I am actually writing a book on rare objects. I am going to show > people what the real things look like through good quality > photographs. > > You will be surprised that even the Dhoop we purchase from market > does not carry the right ingredients. I have planned appointments > with members of royal families spread in Rajasthan. They posses rare > treasures and i will photograph them for my book. > > I hope it will atleast separate the frauds from virtuous. > > Regards > > Alok > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > QUESTION: You claim that genuine Hatha Jodi root has attribute to > absorb 1 litre of til oil... > > > > Is this information from Shastra, folk-lore, or myth? Who or What > is the authority that > > makes this claim? > > > > Please advise... we are just curious... Thanks... > > > > Best rgds > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > I am sorry if the message was offending. But if your piece is > real > > > can you provide a test for the same. Also a real hatha Jodi > absorbs 1 > > > litre til oil within one month. Also after absorption it remain > > > intact in its original form > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > <bb_22_72> wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > Real Hatha Jodi are around 2 to 3 > inch > > > and the price is USD 2500 to USD 3000. The genuine of the Hatha > Jodi > > > can be verified Examining one under a powerful magnifying glass > would > > > probably help--the texture should be an indication of one that is > > > genuine or a false one. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Ravan > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > Dear Ravanji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the news. I have never seen a real Hatha Jodi. How > big > > > are they? What is the > > > > value (price)? Also, how can genuine be verified? > > > > > > > > Your information is most welcome... > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > <bb_22_72> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > I have several original Hatha > Jodi's > > > available for sale. I've uploaded a > > > > picture of Hatha Jodi. Any enquiries are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's too bad there is so much cheating and ignorance in > this > > > Kali Yuga. When Sudras > > > > > are worshipped and brahmins do labor. When even an ugly man > is > > > considered as > > > > beautiful > > > > > if he has money. This time when bird bones are sold as sacred > > > roots. > > > > > > > > > > http://ph.sacred- > objects/photos/view/3d60? > > > b=12 <---this > > > > is > > > > > supposed to be a real Hatha Jodi being sold on eBay. I have > never > > > seen a real Hatha Jodi, > > > > > although I would love to get one. Do you know where to get > the > > > real roots? > > > > > > > > > > DOES ANYONE SUPPLY HATHA JOTI??? > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > > > <a_jagawat> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Richard Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry i am disturbing you again and again. I have several > Kinds > > > of > > > > > > hatha Jodis. I have uploaded one of them to the forum. But > i > > > got the > > > > > > same tested from a lab in my area and according to the lab > the > > > hatha > > > > > > Jodis been sold throughout India are bones of a bird and > not > > > the roots > > > > > > of a plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever come across real Hatha Jodi ever. If yes will > you > > > be able > > > > > > to upload the same at the forum > > > > > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Dear Adi, I agree with you on certain views. Indian sellers create a hype for their articles and sell them at higher price. But the problem is to diffrentiate it from original. Originals have already been rare and expensive, so they are replicated and sold. For example the hatha Jodi you are talking about was tested by a lab in London and it was found to be a fake. It was the bone of a bird. Originals on the other hand are difficult to obtain and they really reach a fortunate few. Please not that shastras also confirm that originals of Sangus and other objects often reach the fortunate. So it thereby falsifies itself that people of such order as street sellers cannot obtain the real thing. I can also quote you another example. People from regions near Nadiad in Gujarat sell these objects all over India. I purchased Gorochons from them. I knew the bolls were fake. Real gorochun looks black and leaves orange Shade when it is rubbed. While what they were selling was a orange powder tucked inside a rice paper boll. It was glued with strange smelling object. It was a fake. This forum is for helping out people. It is here to remove their ignorance for certain objects which has just become a profitable venture for few people in India. The photograph in the forum provide the real view and is a really good area to learn the originality of objects. Regards Alok sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291> wrote: > > Dear Richardsir, > yes, i too have heard that hatha jodi absorbs 1 litre til oil..but i > haven't tested this..i have seen hatha jodis and they never looked > fake although it does look like a bird body part...but in mumbai you > get them for rs 150-250 that is about 3 to 6 usd...but i dont think > any trader (i don't mean a website) gives a certificate of authencity > for this...generally, in india, traders of sacred objects behave as > if they are favouring the buyer....''only if the lord wants you to > get this can you buy this...'' is an oft-repeated quote which i > believe is true but misused by selfish traders... > now the prices i see of gems, conches and hatha jodis are shocking to > say the least...the other day, a trader from bihar who was part of > some tantra group claimed he had access to a INR 5 lakh 21-nail > tortoise..he was ready to hike the price by another INR 3 lakhs! He > said he had a blue sapphire which was to be sold for INR 25 Crores! > first the so called item has to be glorified as rare and sacred, then > you have people running mad after that, you can hike the price by at > least a few hundred times...of course, there are genuine people in > the trade...but they are hurtingly few.. > warm regards > aadi > > since shree phadke, a botany expert, > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > So far i only know one person who knows about a real hatha Jodi. He > > tested it the way i informed about and it worked. The idea came > from > > certain tantric literature which are written by a tantric in > Mathura. > > Interstingly the Hatha Jodi and Siyar Singi are both kept together > in > > Vermillion. > > > > I have four real siyar singis and i have purchased a fake one from > > the market too. The original eats away vermillion and its hairs > keep > > on growing. Both these objects are used for Navarana Tantra. They > > attract 'Shree' when kept together. > > > > I am actually writing a book on rare objects. I am going to show > > people what the real things look like through good quality > > photographs. > > > > You will be surprised that even the Dhoop we purchase from market > > does not carry the right ingredients. I have planned appointments > > with members of royal families spread in Rajasthan. They posses > rare > > treasures and i will photograph them for my book. > > > > I hope it will atleast separate the frauds from virtuous. > > > > Regards > > > > Alok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > QUESTION: You claim that genuine Hatha Jodi root has attribute to > > absorb 1 litre of til oil... > > > > > > Is this information from Shastra, folk-lore, or myth? Who or > What > > is the authority that > > > makes this claim? > > > > > > Please advise... we are just curious... Thanks... > > > > > > Best rgds > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > <a_jagawat> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if the message was offending. But if your piece is > > real > > > > can you provide a test for the same. Also a real hatha Jodi > > absorbs 1 > > > > litre til oil within one month. Also after absorption it remain > > > > intact in its original form > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > > <bb_22_72> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > Real Hatha Jodi are around 2 to 3 > > inch > > > > and the price is USD 2500 to USD 3000. The genuine of the Hatha > > Jodi > > > > can be verified Examining one under a powerful magnifying glass > > would > > > > probably help--the texture should be an indication of one that > is > > > > genuine or a false one. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Ravan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ravanji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the news. I have never seen a real Hatha Jodi. How > > big > > > > are they? What is the > > > > > value (price)? Also, how can genuine be verified? > > > > > > > > > > Your information is most welcome... > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > > <bb_22_72> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have several original Hatha > > Jodi's > > > > available for sale. I've uploaded a > > > > > picture of Hatha Jodi. Any enquiries are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's too bad there is so much cheating and ignorance > in > > this > > > > Kali Yuga. When Sudras > > > > > > are worshipped and brahmins do labor. When even an ugly man > > is > > > > considered as > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > if he has money. This time when bird bones are sold as > sacred > > > > roots. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ph.sacred- > > objects/photos/view/3d60? > > > > b=12 <---this > > > > > is > > > > > > supposed to be a real Hatha Jodi being sold on eBay. I have > > never > > > > seen a real Hatha Jodi, > > > > > > although I would love to get one. Do you know where to get > > the > > > > real roots? > > > > > > > > > > > > DOES ANYONE SUPPLY HATHA JOTI??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > > > > <a_jagawat> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Richard Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry i am disturbing you again and again. I have several > > Kinds > > > > of > > > > > > > hatha Jodis. I have uploaded one of them to the forum. > But > > i > > > > got the > > > > > > > same tested from a lab in my area and according to the > lab > > the > > > > hatha > > > > > > > Jodis been sold throughout India are bones of a bird and > > not > > > > the roots > > > > > > > of a plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever come across real Hatha Jodi ever. If yes > will > > you > > > > be able > > > > > > > to upload the same at the forum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Dear Friend, I miss the link were to see a picture of a real Hatha Jodi....could you send again the link. Thanks a lot. All the best and bliss, Pierre - "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat <sacred-objects> Monday, January 30, 2006 8:07 PM Re: Hatha Jodi, Siyar Singhi lores > Dear Adi, > > I agree with you on certain views. Indian sellers create a hype for > their articles and sell them at higher price. But the problem is to > diffrentiate it from original. > > Originals have already been rare and expensive, so they are > replicated and sold. For example the hatha Jodi you are talking about > was tested by a lab in London and it was found to be a fake. It was > the bone of a bird. > > Originals on the other hand are difficult to obtain and they really > reach a fortunate few. Please not that shastras also confirm that > originals of Sangus and other objects often reach the fortunate. So > it thereby falsifies itself that people of such order as street > sellers cannot obtain the real thing. > > I can also quote you another example. People from regions near Nadiad > in Gujarat sell these objects all over India. I purchased Gorochons > from them. I knew the bolls were fake. Real gorochun looks black and > leaves orange Shade when it is rubbed. While what they were selling > was a orange powder tucked inside a rice paper boll. It was glued > with strange smelling object. It was a fake. > > This forum is for helping out people. It is here to remove their > ignorance for certain objects which has just become a profitable > venture for few people in India. The photograph in the forum provide > the real view and is a really good area to learn the originality of > objects. > > Regards > > Alok > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291> wrote: > > > > Dear Richardsir, > > yes, i too have heard that hatha jodi absorbs 1 litre til oil..but > i > > haven't tested this..i have seen hatha jodis and they never looked > > fake although it does look like a bird body part...but in mumbai > you > > get them for rs 150-250 that is about 3 to 6 usd...but i dont think > > any trader (i don't mean a website) gives a certificate of > authencity > > for this...generally, in india, traders of sacred objects behave as > > if they are favouring the buyer....''only if the lord wants you to > > get this can you buy this...'' is an oft-repeated quote which i > > believe is true but misused by selfish traders... > > now the prices i see of gems, conches and hatha jodis are shocking > to > > say the least...the other day, a trader from bihar who was part of > > some tantra group claimed he had access to a INR 5 lakh 21-nail > > tortoise..he was ready to hike the price by another INR 3 lakhs! He > > said he had a blue sapphire which was to be sold for INR 25 Crores! > > first the so called item has to be glorified as rare and sacred, > then > > you have people running mad after that, you can hike the price by > at > > least a few hundred times...of course, there are genuine people in > > the trade...but they are hurtingly few.. > > warm regards > > aadi > > > > since shree phadke, a botany expert, > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > So far i only know one person who knows about a real hatha Jodi. > He > > > tested it the way i informed about and it worked. The idea came > > from > > > certain tantric literature which are written by a tantric in > > Mathura. > > > Interstingly the Hatha Jodi and Siyar Singi are both kept > together > > in > > > Vermillion. > > > > > > I have four real siyar singis and i have purchased a fake one > from > > > the market too. The original eats away vermillion and its hairs > > keep > > > on growing. Both these objects are used for Navarana Tantra. They > > > attract 'Shree' when kept together. > > > > > > I am actually writing a book on rare objects. I am going to show > > > people what the real things look like through good quality > > > photographs. > > > > > > You will be surprised that even the Dhoop we purchase from market > > > does not carry the right ingredients. I have planned > appointments > > > with members of royal families spread in Rajasthan. They posses > > rare > > > treasures and i will photograph them for my book. > > > > > > I hope it will atleast separate the frauds from virtuous. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Alok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > > > QUESTION: You claim that genuine Hatha Jodi root has attribute > to > > > absorb 1 litre of til oil... > > > > > > > > Is this information from Shastra, folk-lore, or myth? Who or > > What > > > is the authority that > > > > makes this claim? > > > > > > > > Please advise... we are just curious... Thanks... > > > > > > > > Best rgds > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > > <a_jagawat> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if the message was offending. But if your piece is > > > real > > > > > can you provide a test for the same. Also a real hatha Jodi > > > absorbs 1 > > > > > litre til oil within one month. Also after absorption it > remain > > > > > intact in its original form > > > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > > > <bb_22_72> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > > > Real Hatha Jodi are around 2 to > 3 > > > inch > > > > > and the price is USD 2500 to USD 3000. The genuine of the > Hatha > > > Jodi > > > > > can be verified Examining one under a powerful magnifying > glass > > > would > > > > > probably help--the texture should be an indication of one > that > > is > > > > > genuine or a false one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Ravan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the news. I have never seen a real Hatha Jodi. > How > > > big > > > > > are they? What is the > > > > > > value (price)? Also, how can genuine be verified? > > > > > > > > > > > > Your information is most welcome... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > > > <bb_22_72> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have several original Hatha > > > Jodi's > > > > > available for sale. I've uploaded a > > > > > > picture of Hatha Jodi. Any enquiries are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's too bad there is so much cheating and ignorance > > in > > > this > > > > > Kali Yuga. When Sudras > > > > > > > are worshipped and brahmins do labor. When even an ugly > man > > > is > > > > > considered as > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > if he has money. This time when bird bones are sold as > > sacred > > > > > roots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ph.sacred- > > > objects/photos/view/3d60? > > > > > b=12 <---this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > supposed to be a real Hatha Jodi being sold on eBay. I > have > > > never > > > > > seen a real Hatha Jodi, > > > > > > > although I would love to get one. Do you know where to > get > > > the > > > > > real roots? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOES ANYONE SUPPLY HATHA JOTI??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > > > > > <a_jagawat> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Richard Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry i am disturbing you again and again. I have > several > > > Kinds > > > > > of > > > > > > > > hatha Jodis. I have uploaded one of them to the forum. > > But > > > i > > > > > got the > > > > > > > > same tested from a lab in my area and according to the > > lab > > > the > > > > > hatha > > > > > > > > Jodis been sold throughout India are bones of a bird > and > > > not > > > > > the roots > > > > > > > > of a plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever come across real Hatha Jodi ever. 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 <aadi291 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Richardsir,yes, i too have heard that hatha jodi absorbs 1 litre til oil..but i haven't tested this..i have seen hatha jodis and they never looked fake although it does look like a bird body part...but in mumbai you get them for rs 150-250 that is about 3 to 6 usd...but i dont think any trader (i don't mean a website) gives a certificate of authencity for this...generally, in india, traders of sacred objects behave as if they are favouring the buyer....''only if the lord wants you to get this can you buy this...'' is an oft-repeated quote which i believe is true but misused by selfish traders...now the prices i see of gems, conches and hatha jodis are shocking to say the least...the other day, a trader from bihar who was part of some tantra group claimed he had access to a INR 5 lakh 21-nail tortoise..he was ready to hike the price by another INR 3 lakhs! He said he had a blue sapphire which was to be sold for INR 25 Crores!first the so called item has to be glorified as rare and sacred, then you have people running mad after that, you can hike the price by at least a few hundred times...of course, there are genuine people in the trade...but they are hurtingly few..warm regardsaadi since shree phadke, a botany expert, --- In sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > So far i only know one person who knows about a real hatha Jodi. He > tested it the way i informed about and it worked. The idea came from > certain tantric literature which are written by a tantric in Mathura. > Interstingly the Hatha Jodi and Siyar Singi are both kept together in > Vermillion.> > I have four real siyar singis and i have purchased a fake one from > the market too. The original eats away vermillion and its hairs keep > on growing. Both these objects are used for Navarana Tantra. They > attract 'Shree' when kept together. > > I am actually writing a book on rare objects. I am going to show > people what the real things look like through good quality > photographs.> > You will be surprised that even the Dhoop we purchase from market > does not carry the right ingredients. I have planned appointments > with members of royal families spread in Rajasthan. They posses rare > treasures and i will photograph them for my book. > > I hope it will atleast separate the frauds from virtuous.> > Regards> > Alok> > > > > > > > > > --- In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > <rsbj66> wrote:> >> > Dear Alok,> > > > QUESTION: You claim that genuine Hatha Jodi root has attribute to > absorb 1 litre of til oil...> > > > Is this information from Shastra, folk-lore, or myth? Who or What > is the authority that > > makes this claim?> > > > Please advise... we are just curious... Thanks...> > > > Best rgds> > Richard> > > > --- In sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > I am sorry if the message was offending. But if your piece is > real > > > can you provide a test for the same. Also a real hatha Jodi > absorbs 1 > > > litre til oil within one month. Also after absorption it remain > > > intact in its original form> > > > > > Alok Jagawat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > <bb_22_72> wrote:> > > >> > > > Greetings Richard,> > > > > > > > Real Hatha Jodi are around 2 to 3 > inch > > > and the price is USD 2500 to USD 3000. The genuine of the Hatha > Jodi > > > can be verified Examining one under a powerful magnifying glass > would > > > probably help--the texture should be an indication of one that is > > > genuine or a false one.> > > > > > > > Thank you> > > > Ravan> > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote:> > > > Dear Ravanji,> > > > > > > > Thanks for the news. I have never seen a real Hatha Jodi. How > big > > > are they? What is the > > > > value (price)? Also, how can genuine be verified?> > > > > > > > Your information is most welcome...> > > > > > > > Best rgds,> > > > Richard> > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > <bb_22_72> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Greetings Richard,> > > > > > > > > > I have several original Hatha > Jodi's > > > available for sale. I've uploaded a > > > > picture of Hatha Jodi. Any enquiries are welcome.> > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote:> > > > > Dear Alok,> > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's too bad there is so much cheating and ignorance in > this > > > Kali Yuga. When Sudras > > > > > are worshipped and brahmins do labor. When even an ugly man > is > > > considered as > > > > beautiful > > > > > if he has money. This time when bird bones are sold as sacred > > > roots.> > > > > > > > > > http://ph.sacred-> objects/photos/view/3d60?> > > b=12 <---this > > > > is > > > > > supposed to be a real Hatha Jodi being sold on eBay. I have > never > > > seen a real Hatha Jodi, > > > > > although I would love to get one. Do you know where to get > the > > > real roots?> > > > > > > > > > DOES ANYONE SUPPLY HATHA JOTI???> > > > > > > > > > Best rgds,> > > > > Richard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > > > <a_jagawat> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Richard Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry i am disturbing you again and again. I have several > Kinds > > > of > > > > > > hatha Jodis. I have uploaded one of them to the forum. But > i > > > got the > > > > > > same tested from a lab in my area and according to the lab > the > > > hatha > > > > > > Jodis been sold throughout India are bones of a bird and > not > > > the roots > > > > > > of a plant.> > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever come across real Hatha Jodi ever. If yes will > you > > > be able > > > > > > to upload the same at the forum> > > > > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web.> > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > sacred-objects> > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms > of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web.> > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects> > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you ?> > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail.> > > >> > >> >> Jiyo cricket on India cricket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Dear Phadke sir, thank you so much...As I have been saying, your posts always throw the much important light on the topics we discuss here...I have heard many pundits say that hatha jodi will absorb oil...how much they did not say..also, nobody quotes the scripture for this... Thanks once again for your scientific perspective... By the way, is your website up? Pls give the link...I request you to make available Indonesian beads and lakshmi conches for many people like me...best luck and warm regards>>aadi sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke> wrote: > > Dear Aadi, > > Scientifically, as per the laws of material science, it is not possible for any material having a mass of few cubic centimeters to absorb huge quantity of any liquid material. It is next to impossible. There are very few chemicals (especially polymer molecules) which absorb more quantity of water (not oil) than their mass. > > I have not so far seen real 'Hatha Jodi' of plant origin. As mentioned in my earlier posting, all those so called Hatha Jodis were of animal origin as Mr. Jagawat had rightly mentioned. I am not getting any information about correct botanical name of Hatha Jodi. I also tried internet search. > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > Chandrashekhar Phadke aadi291 aadi291 wrote: > Dear Richardsir, > yes, i too have heard that hatha jodi absorbs 1 litre til oil..but i > haven't tested this..i have seen hatha jodis and they never looked > fake although it does look like a bird body part...but in mumbai you > get them for rs 150-250 that is about 3 to 6 usd...but i dont think > any trader (i don't mean a website) gives a certificate of authencity > for this...generally, in india, traders of sacred objects behave as > if they are favouring the buyer....''only if the lord wants you to > get this can you buy this...'' is an oft-repeated quote which i > believe is true but misused by selfish traders... > now the prices i see of gems, conches and hatha jodis are shocking to > say the least...the other day, a trader from bihar who was part of > some tantra group claimed he had access to a INR 5 lakh 21-nail > tortoise..he was ready to hike the price by another INR 3 lakhs! He > said he had a blue sapphire which was to be sold for INR 25 Crores! > first the so called item has to be glorified as rare and sacred, then > you have people running mad after that, you can hike the price by at > least a few hundred times...of course, there are genuine people in > the trade...but they are hurtingly few.. > warm regards > aadi > > since shree phadke, a botany expert, > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" a_jagawat > wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > So far i only know one person who knows about a real hatha Jodi. He > > tested it the way i informed about and it worked. The idea came > from > > certain tantric literature which are written by a tantric in > Mathura. > > Interstingly the Hatha Jodi and Siyar Singi are both kept together > in > > Vermillion. > > > > I have four real siyar singis and i have purchased a fake one from > > the market too. The original eats away vermillion and its hairs > keep > > on growing. Both these objects are used for Navarana Tantra. They > > attract 'Shree' when kept together. > > > > I am actually writing a book on rare objects. I am going to show > > people what the real things look like through good quality > > photographs. > > > > You will be surprised that even the Dhoop we purchase from market > > does not carry the right ingredients. I have planned appointments > > with members of royal families spread in Rajasthan. They posses > rare > > treasures and i will photograph them for my book. > > > > I hope it will atleast separate the frauds from virtuous. > > > > Regards > > > > Alok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > rsbj66 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > QUESTION: You claim that genuine Hatha Jodi root has attribute to > > absorb 1 litre of til oil... > > > > > > Is this information from Shastra, folk-lore, or myth? Who or > What > > is the authority that > > > makes this claim? > > > > > > Please advise... we are just curious... Thanks... > > > > > > Best rgds > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > a_jagawat > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > I am sorry if the message was offending. But if your piece is > > real > > > > can you provide a test for the same. Also a real hatha Jodi > > absorbs 1 > > > > litre til oil within one month. Also after absorption it remain > > > > intact in its original form > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > > bb_22_72 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > Real Hatha Jodi are around 2 to 3 > > inch > > > > and the price is USD 2500 to USD 3000. The genuine of the Hatha > > Jodi > > > > can be verified Examining one under a powerful magnifying glass > > would > > > > probably help--the texture should be an indication of one that > is > > > > genuine or a false one. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Ravan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II rsbj66 wrote: > > > > > Dear Ravanji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the news. I have never seen a real Hatha Jodi. How > > big > > > > are they? What is the > > > > > value (price)? Also, how can genuine be verified? > > > > > > > > > > Your information is most welcome... > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > > bb_22_72 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have several original Hatha > > Jodi's > > > > available for sale. I've uploaded a > > > > > picture of Hatha Jodi. Any enquiries are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II rsbj66 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's too bad there is so much cheating and ignorance > in > > this > > > > Kali Yuga. When Sudras > > > > > > are worshipped and brahmins do labor. When even an ugly man > > is > > > > considered as > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > if he has money. This time when bird bones are sold as > sacred > > > > roots. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ph.sacred- > > objects/photos/view/3d60? > > > > b=12 <---this > > > > > is > > > > > > supposed to be a real Hatha Jodi being sold on eBay. I have > > never > > > > seen a real Hatha Jodi, > > > > > > although I would love to get one. Do you know where to get > > the > > > > real roots? > > > > > > > > > > > > DOES ANYONE SUPPLY HATHA JOTI??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > > > > a_jagawat wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Richard Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry i am disturbing you again and again. I have several > > Kinds > > > > of > > > > > > > hatha Jodis. I have uploaded one of them to the forum. > But > > i > > > > got the > > > > > > > same tested from a lab in my area and according to the > lab > > the > > > > hatha > > > > > > > Jodis been sold throughout India are bones of a bird and > > not > > > > the roots > > > > > > > of a plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever come across real Hatha Jodi ever. If yes > will > > you > > > > be able > > > > > > > to upload the same at the forum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Dear Alokji, I think I can safely say that I have seen real hatha jodis in Mumbai..and some religious traders were selling them for INR 150-300... For example the hatha Jodi you are talking about > was tested by a lab in London and it was found to be a fake. It was > the bone of a bird. sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat> wrote: > > Dear Adi, > > I agree with you on certain views. Indian sellers create a hype for > their articles and sell them at higher price. But the problem is to > diffrentiate it from original. > > Originals have already been rare and expensive, so they are > replicated and sold. For example the hatha Jodi you are talking about > was tested by a lab in London and it was found to be a fake. It was > the bone of a bird. > > Originals on the other hand are difficult to obtain and they really > reach a fortunate few. Please not that shastras also confirm that > originals of Sangus and other objects often reach the fortunate. So > it thereby falsifies itself that people of such order as street > sellers cannot obtain the real thing. > > I can also quote you another example. People from regions near Nadiad > in Gujarat sell these objects all over India. I purchased Gorochons > from them. I knew the bolls were fake. Real gorochun looks black and > leaves orange Shade when it is rubbed. While what they were selling > was a orange powder tucked inside a rice paper boll. It was glued > with strange smelling object. It was a fake. > > This forum is for helping out people. It is here to remove their > ignorance for certain objects which has just become a profitable > venture for few people in India. The photograph in the forum provide > the real view and is a really good area to learn the originality of > objects. > > Regards > > Alok > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "aadi291" aadi291 wrote: > > > > Dear Richardsir, > > yes, i too have heard that hatha jodi absorbs 1 litre til oil..but > i > > haven't tested this..i have seen hatha jodis and they never looked > > fake although it does look like a bird body part...but in mumbai > you > > get them for rs 150-250 that is about 3 to 6 usd...but i dont think > > any trader (i don't mean a website) gives a certificate of > authencity > > for this...generally, in india, traders of sacred objects behave as > > if they are favouring the buyer....''only if the lord wants you to > > get this can you buy this...'' is an oft-repeated quote which i > > believe is true but misused by selfish traders... > > now the prices i see of gems, conches and hatha jodis are shocking > to > > say the least...the other day, a trader from bihar who was part of > > some tantra group claimed he had access to a INR 5 lakh 21-nail > > tortoise..he was ready to hike the price by another INR 3 lakhs! He > > said he had a blue sapphire which was to be sold for INR 25 Crores! > > first the so called item has to be glorified as rare and sacred, > then > > you have people running mad after that, you can hike the price by > at > > least a few hundred times...of course, there are genuine people in > > the trade...but they are hurtingly few.. > > warm regards > > aadi > > > > since shree phadke, a botany expert, > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" a_jagawat > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > So far i only know one person who knows about a real hatha Jodi. > He > > > tested it the way i informed about and it worked. The idea came > > from > > > certain tantric literature which are written by a tantric in > > Mathura. > > > Interstingly the Hatha Jodi and Siyar Singi are both kept > together > > in > > > Vermillion. > > > > > > I have four real siyar singis and i have purchased a fake one > from > > > the market too. The original eats away vermillion and its hairs > > keep > > > on growing. Both these objects are used for Navarana Tantra. They > > > attract 'Shree' when kept together. > > > > > > I am actually writing a book on rare objects. I am going to show > > > people what the real things look like through good quality > > > photographs. > > > > > > You will be surprised that even the Dhoop we purchase from market > > > does not carry the right ingredients. I have planned > appointments > > > with members of royal families spread in Rajasthan. They posses > > rare > > > treasures and i will photograph them for my book. > > > > > > I hope it will atleast separate the frauds from virtuous. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Alok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > > rsbj66 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > > > QUESTION: You claim that genuine Hatha Jodi root has attribute > to > > > absorb 1 litre of til oil... > > > > > > > > Is this information from Shastra, folk-lore, or myth? Who or > > What > > > is the authority that > > > > makes this claim? > > > > > > > > Please advise... we are just curious... Thanks... > > > > > > > > Best rgds > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > > a_jagawat > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if the message was offending. But if your piece is > > > real > > > > > can you provide a test for the same. Also a real hatha Jodi > > > absorbs 1 > > > > > litre til oil within one month. Also after absorption it > remain > > > > > intact in its original form > > > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > > > bb_22_72 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > > > Real Hatha Jodi are around 2 to > 3 > > > inch > > > > > and the price is USD 2500 to USD 3000. The genuine of the > Hatha > > > Jodi > > > > > can be verified Examining one under a powerful magnifying > glass > > > would > > > > > probably help--the texture should be an indication of one > that > > is > > > > > genuine or a false one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Ravan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II rsbj66 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the news. I have never seen a real Hatha Jodi. > How > > > big > > > > > are they? What is the > > > > > > value (price)? Also, how can genuine be verified? > > > > > > > > > > > > Your information is most welcome... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan > > > > > bb_22_72 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Richard, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have several original Hatha > > > Jodi's > > > > > available for sale. I've uploaded a > > > > > > picture of Hatha Jodi. Any enquiries are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II rsbj66 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Alok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's too bad there is so much cheating and ignorance > > in > > > this > > > > > Kali Yuga. When Sudras > > > > > > > are worshipped and brahmins do labor. When even an ugly > man > > > is > > > > > considered as > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > if he has money. This time when bird bones are sold as > > sacred > > > > > roots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ph.sacred- > > > objects/photos/view/3d60? > > > > > b=12 <---this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > supposed to be a real Hatha Jodi being sold on eBay. I > have > > > never > > > > > seen a real Hatha Jodi, > > > > > > > although I would love to get one. Do you know where to > get > > > the > > > > > real roots? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOES ANYONE SUPPLY HATHA JOTI??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > > > > > a_jagawat wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Richard Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry i am disturbing you again and again. I have > several > > > Kinds > > > > > of > > > > > > > > hatha Jodis. I have uploaded one of them to the forum. > > But > > > i > > > > > got the > > > > > > > > same tested from a lab in my area and according to the > > lab > > > the > > > > > hatha > > > > > > > > Jodis been sold throughout India are bones of a bird > and > > > not > > > > > the roots > > > > > > > > of a plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever come across real Hatha Jodi ever. If yes > > will > > > you > > > > > be able > > > > > > > > to upload the same at the forum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > > > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > > of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Bona fide Yellow sapphire Blue > > > sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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