Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Dear Diva Devi, Namaste!!! Om svastyastu!!! The most early mention (in Sanskrit) of the Navaratna is in "Jataka Parijata," chap. 2, sloka 21 compiled by Sri Vaidyanatha Dikshitar. There is no mention of Navaratna in ancient shastra (Veda-Upanishad-Brahma-sutra-Itihas (Ramayana/Mahabharat), Purana. The only mention given is in Agni Puranam. Sri Garuda Puranam also mentions a number of gems, but does not give astral associations as such. The "Jataka Parijata," is not really ancient shastra by Vedic standards. Still it's conclusion is accepted by most, including me. In that verse they use the terms, "Sujai=top color (high born), and Amala=flawless as the required quality for good effect or Jyotish Quality. There is nothing about who should or shouldn't wear a navaratna. My conclusion that a chart with any extreme harmful planets should not use Navaratna is based on my own personal experence and those of many clients, some who benefited, and some had pronounced MIXED results. In fact, the Navaratna is a sacred "Yantra" and is best to worship in stead of wearing. But those with "balanced" charts never have any bad results wearing the 9 gems, only good results. In any case the gems must be CLEAN gem quality (amala) and that is quite expensive even in small sizes due to actual rarity and Bangkok gem market realities. It stands to reason, "A GOOD GEM HAS GOOD EFFECT, A BAD GEM HAS BAD EFFECT." You are welcome to quote me (grin**) Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "divadevi108" <divadevi108> wrote: > > dear richard ji: i respect what you say about not wearing gemstones > that are aligned with negative influences in our charts. there is a > diversity of opinion on the value of wearing a navratna mala among > vedic astrologers, and i am wondering if there is a particular > scripture that causes you to disagree with the theory that all will > benefit from a navratna mala. > > your aspiring vedic astrology student, > > diva devi > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > <divadevi108> wrote: > > > > > > greetings, dear richard ji: > > > > > > namaste! your rudraksha pendants are very lovely. is there a > > > particular form of jewelry that a "prescribed" jyotish piece is > > > better or more effective, say a ring versus a pendant? > > ---IN OUR EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH OVER 10,000 NUMBERED TALISMANS > BEING WORN > > IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. > > > > > > realizing you travel in royal and rarified circles in the > planetary > > > gem world, it is understandable your taste is very refined, but > i am > > > a little concerned with your thinking that wearing more than > five > > > rudrakshas pushes the limits of good taste. i would hope there > is a > > > place in your spectrum from sadhu to hippy to elegant fashonista > for > > > an artsy shiva-besotted sadhak. > > ---AMONG OUR CLIENTS ARE NO SADHAKAS. AND IF ONE COMES ALONG I > STILL > > RECOMMEND SETTING RUDRAKSHA BEADS SEPARATLY. LIKE I WEAR 4 > DIFFERENT RR > > BEADS, BUT THEY ARE EACH SEPARATLY SET (I USE NEPALI 2 FACE, 4 > FACE, 13 FACE AND > > 14 FACE, TOGETHER WITH 3 OTHER TALISMANS, ON ONE CHAIN. BUT FOR A > REAL TYAGI > > SADAK IT'S BEST TO USE COMPLETE MALA...THAT'S IS THE "SADHU" LOOK, > AND IT'S GREAT > > FOR SADHUS. > > > > > > the siddh mala i wear every day has small 7-mukhi beads that > show > > > outwardly, with the larger beads tucked inside my business > clothes. > > > i often receive compliments about my "interesting and beautiful" > > > jewelry, which is a combination of the siddh, navratna and > sphatika > > > malas, plus a few other hidden pieces on thin chains. i'll > spare > > > you those details because i imagine you're rolling your eyes by > now, > > > thinking HOW UNCOOL!! <g> > > ---OH NO, DEAR, I'M NOT THINKING THAT AT ALL. I'M GLAD YOU HAVE > THE COOL AND > > SACRED ITEMS AS RUDRAKSHA. MY PERSONAL TASTE IS JUST IN REGARDS TO > MY OWN > > CREATIONS. AND IF REQUESTED I WOULD HAPPILY CREATE AN ENTIRE > RUDRAKSHA MALA > > WITH EVERY BEAD SET IN GOLD AND ON COMPLETE GOLD WIRES. IT WOULD > TAKE A LOT > > OF GOLD, AND WOULD LOOK GREAT ON MADONNA (OR YOU!!!). REALLY!!! > > > > > > the rubies in my navratna would not pass your test for fineness > i'm > > > sure, which provokes another question. since the sun is a > malefic > > > in my chart, do you think a really refined ruby is called for, > or > > > maybe a denser one would be preferable? just curious. some > > > vedic astrologers think that a navratna mala is a good thing for > all > > > astrologically because the gemstone energies are in balance. > > ---IF YOU'RE HAVING SUN MALEFIC THEN YOU SHOULD NOT WEAR "ANY" > RUBY. BUT EVEN > > IF YOU'RE HAVING BENEFIC SUN, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD ANYONE > USE > > FLAWED JUNK RUBIES. NOTE: IN SRI GARUDA PURANA IS SAYS ABOUT > RUBIES: "A ruby, > > although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color > banding, excessive inclusions > > within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough > surface, or is dull and > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of > ignorance, will suffer from > > disease, or loss of fortune". ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 > > > > > > so many tibetan buddhist sacred artifacts are embellished with > coral > > > and turquoise. do you think the energies of these stones may > have > > > played a role in their tragic history? > > ---ONE THING ABOUT TIBETAN STONES IS THEY ARE ALWAYS SOOOOOO VERY > FLAWED!!! > > EVEN TURQUOISE IS FULL OF MANY CRACKS CALLED "MATRIX" BUT IN FACT > THEY'RE JUST > > "FLAWS". BUT THESE ARE NOT THE REASON THAT TIBET HAS COME UNDER > CHINA... THAT > > IS POLITICS, MY DEAR!! > > > > I'M ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP. ACTUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS AND I > ANSWER IT > > ALLOWS ME TO BUILD A FAQ DB THAT PEOPLE CAN REFER. SO THANKS > ALWAYS FOR THE > > INPUT. > > > > STAY WELL AND ALL THE BEST, > > > > RICHARD > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 dear richard ji: namaste! thank you for addressing my question with such specificity. experience is a great teacher, and 14th century writings are not exactly hot off the press <g> so i'm impressed with the sensibility of your position that not all are benefited by wearing a navratna mala. you've mentioned that the sun and mars are my worst planets, moon and jupiter are functional malefics. so with one fell swoop, almost half of the navratna gems are off limits for me. i've been contemplating the ramifications of this revelation and would appreciate your further input. my ganesha japa mala is made with 108 4mm garnet beads, a gemstone of the sun, albeit a semiprecious, secondary or tertiary one. do you think it best to change malas? sri ganesha and red stones do go together and i'm not aware of another color gemstone that he prefers. maybe a mala of 8-faced rudrakshas is in order, but i dearly love this garnet mala, having worn it for years, including all over india, bathing in the ganges, temple pujas and blessings, so it carries great energy. what to do? as you can see, no attachment here <g> in other words, is the best approach, jyotishly speaking, to remove from our environs every piece of jewelry, sacred tool, etc. composed of the stones that are aligned to negative influences in our charts? or are there exceptions? with warm regards and gratitude for your patience, diva devi - In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" <rsbj66> wrote: > > Dear Diva Devi, > > Namaste!!! Om svastyastu!!! The most early mention (in Sanskrit) of the Navaratna is in > "Jataka Parijata," chap. 2, sloka 21 compiled by Sri Vaidyanatha Dikshitar. There is no > mention of Navaratna in ancient shastra (Veda-Upanishad-Brahma- sutra-Itihas > (Ramayana/Mahabharat), Purana. The only mention given is in Agni Puranam. Sri Garuda > Puranam also mentions a number of gems, but does not give astral associations as such. > The "Jataka Parijata," is not really ancient shastra by Vedic standards. Still it's conclusion is > accepted by most, including me. In that verse they use the terms, "Sujai=top color (high > born), and Amala=flawless as the required quality for good effect or Jyotish Quality. There > is nothing about who should or shouldn't wear a navaratna. > > My conclusion that a chart with any extreme harmful planets should not use Navaratna is > based on my own personal experence and those of many clients, some who benefited, and > some had pronounced MIXED results. In fact, the Navaratna is a sacred "Yantra" and is best > to worship in stead of wearing. But those with "balanced" charts never have any bad > results wearing the 9 gems, only good results. In any case the gems must be CLEAN gem > quality (amala) and that is quite expensive even in small sizes due to actual rarity and > Bangkok gem market realities. > > It stands to reason, "A GOOD GEM HAS GOOD EFFECT, A BAD GEM HAS BAD EFFECT." You > are welcome to quote me (grin**) > > Best rgds, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" <divadevi108> wrote: > > > > dear richard ji: i respect what you say about not wearing gemstones > > that are aligned with negative influences in our charts. there is a > > diversity of opinion on the value of wearing a navratna mala among > > vedic astrologers, and i am wondering if there is a particular > > scripture that causes you to disagree with the theory that all will > > benefit from a navratna mala. > > > > your aspiring vedic astrology student, > > > > diva devi > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > > <divadevi108> wrote: > > > > > > > > greetings, dear richard ji: > > > > > > > > namaste! your rudraksha pendants are very lovely. is there a > > > > particular form of jewelry that a "prescribed" jyotish piece is > > > > better or more effective, say a ring versus a pendant? > > > ---IN OUR EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH OVER 10,000 NUMBERED TALISMANS > > BEING WORN > > > IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. > > > > > > > > realizing you travel in royal and rarified circles in the > > planetary > > > > gem world, it is understandable your taste is very refined, but > > i am > > > > a little concerned with your thinking that wearing more than > > five > > > > rudrakshas pushes the limits of good taste. i would hope there > > is a > > > > place in your spectrum from sadhu to hippy to elegant fashonista > > for > > > > an artsy shiva-besotted sadhak. > > > ---AMONG OUR CLIENTS ARE NO SADHAKAS. AND IF ONE COMES ALONG I > > STILL > > > RECOMMEND SETTING RUDRAKSHA BEADS SEPARATLY. LIKE I WEAR 4 > > DIFFERENT RR > > > BEADS, BUT THEY ARE EACH SEPARATLY SET (I USE NEPALI 2 FACE, 4 > > FACE, 13 FACE AND > > > 14 FACE, TOGETHER WITH 3 OTHER TALISMANS, ON ONE CHAIN. BUT FOR A > > REAL TYAGI > > > SADAK IT'S BEST TO USE COMPLETE MALA...THAT'S IS THE "SADHU" LOOK, > > AND IT'S GREAT > > > FOR SADHUS. > > > > > > > > the siddh mala i wear every day has small 7-mukhi beads that > > show > > > > outwardly, with the larger beads tucked inside my business > > clothes. > > > > i often receive compliments about my "interesting and beautiful" > > > > jewelry, which is a combination of the siddh, navratna and > > sphatika > > > > malas, plus a few other hidden pieces on thin chains. i'll > > spare > > > > you those details because i imagine you're rolling your eyes by > > now, > > > > thinking HOW UNCOOL!! <g> > > > ---OH NO, DEAR, I'M NOT THINKING THAT AT ALL. I'M GLAD YOU HAVE > > THE COOL AND > > > SACRED ITEMS AS RUDRAKSHA. MY PERSONAL TASTE IS JUST IN REGARDS TO > > MY OWN > > > CREATIONS. AND IF REQUESTED I WOULD HAPPILY CREATE AN ENTIRE > > RUDRAKSHA MALA > > > WITH EVERY BEAD SET IN GOLD AND ON COMPLETE GOLD WIRES. IT WOULD > > TAKE A LOT > > > OF GOLD, AND WOULD LOOK GREAT ON MADONNA (OR YOU!!!). REALLY!!! > > > > > > > > the rubies in my navratna would not pass your test for fineness > > i'm > > > > sure, which provokes another question. since the sun is a > > malefic > > > > in my chart, do you think a really refined ruby is called for, > > or > > > > maybe a denser one would be preferable? just curious. some > > > > vedic astrologers think that a navratna mala is a good thing for > > all > > > > astrologically because the gemstone energies are in balance. > > > ---IF YOU'RE HAVING SUN MALEFIC THEN YOU SHOULD NOT WEAR "ANY" > > RUBY. BUT EVEN > > > IF YOU'RE HAVING BENEFIC SUN, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD ANYONE > > USE > > > FLAWED JUNK RUBIES. NOTE: IN SRI GARUDA PURANA IS SAYS ABOUT > > RUBIES: "A ruby, > > > although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color > > banding, excessive inclusions > > > within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough > > surface, or is dull and > > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of > > ignorance, will suffer from > > > disease, or loss of fortune". ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 > > > > > > > > so many tibetan buddhist sacred artifacts are embellished with > > coral > > > > and turquoise. do you think the energies of these stones may > > have > > > > played a role in their tragic history? > > > ---ONE THING ABOUT TIBETAN STONES IS THEY ARE ALWAYS SOOOOOO VERY > > FLAWED!!! > > > EVEN TURQUOISE IS FULL OF MANY CRACKS CALLED "MATRIX" BUT IN FACT > > THEY'RE JUST > > > "FLAWS". BUT THESE ARE NOT THE REASON THAT TIBET HAS COME UNDER > > CHINA... THAT > > > IS POLITICS, MY DEAR!! > > > > > > I'M ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP. ACTUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS AND I > > ANSWER IT > > > ALLOWS ME TO BUILD A FAQ DB THAT PEOPLE CAN REFER. SO THANKS > > ALWAYS FOR THE > > > INPUT. > > > > > > STAY WELL AND ALL THE BEST, > > > > > > RICHARD > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Dear Diva Devi, Namaste!!! In your chart Sun is debilitated and Lord of the 12th (loss), so the most effective thing you could do with your Garnet Mala is donate it to a Sadhu. Donating gems for harmful planets is most effective and named "Ratna-arpana". It's even MORE effective if you are very attached to the item. Remember, what we give stays with us forever, and what we keep is lost in time. For your Ganesh, red coral is best and associated gem, but your Mars is debilitated and ruler of the 8th (death). So maybe you better wear your Ganesh on a different mala, like small Rudraksha. I hope you got my information on your chart. You will be getting a seperate package from our company. It will be interesting to compare myself with my company. Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "divadevi108" <divadevi108> wrote: > > dear richard ji: namaste! thank you for addressing my question with > such specificity. experience is a great teacher, and 14th century > writings are not exactly hot off the press <g> so i'm impressed with > the sensibility of your position that not all are benefited by > wearing a navratna mala. > > you've mentioned that the sun and mars are my worst planets, moon > and jupiter are functional malefics. so with one fell swoop, almost > half of the navratna gems are off limits for me. i've been > contemplating the ramifications of this revelation and would > appreciate your further input. > > my ganesha japa mala is made with 108 4mm garnet beads, a gemstone > of the sun, albeit a semiprecious, secondary or tertiary one. do > you think it best to change malas? sri ganesha and red stones do go > together and i'm not aware of another color gemstone that he > prefers. maybe a mala of 8-faced rudrakshas is in order, but i > dearly love this garnet mala, having worn it for years, including > all over india, bathing in the ganges, temple pujas and blessings, > so it carries great energy. what to do? as you can see, no > attachment here <g> > > in other words, is the best approach, jyotishly speaking, to remove > from our environs every piece of jewelry, sacred tool, etc. composed > of the stones that are aligned to negative influences in our > charts? or are there exceptions? > > with warm regards and gratitude for your patience, > > diva devi > > > - In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > Dear Diva Devi, > > > > Namaste!!! Om svastyastu!!! The most early mention (in Sanskrit) > of the Navaratna is in > > "Jataka Parijata," chap. 2, sloka 21 compiled by Sri Vaidyanatha > Dikshitar. There is no > > mention of Navaratna in ancient shastra (Veda-Upanishad-Brahma- > sutra-Itihas > > (Ramayana/Mahabharat), Purana. The only mention given is in Agni > Puranam. Sri Garuda > > Puranam also mentions a number of gems, but does not give astral > associations as such. > > The "Jataka Parijata," is not really ancient shastra by Vedic > standards. Still it's conclusion is > > accepted by most, including me. In that verse they use the > terms, "Sujai=top color (high > > born), and Amala=flawless as the required quality for good effect > or Jyotish Quality. There > > is nothing about who should or shouldn't wear a navaratna. > > > > My conclusion that a chart with any extreme harmful planets should > not use Navaratna is > > based on my own personal experence and those of many clients, some > who benefited, and > > some had pronounced MIXED results. In fact, the Navaratna is a > sacred "Yantra" and is best > > to worship in stead of wearing. But those with "balanced" charts > never have any bad > > results wearing the 9 gems, only good results. In any case the > gems must be CLEAN gem > > quality (amala) and that is quite expensive even in small sizes > due to actual rarity and > > Bangkok gem market realities. > > > > It stands to reason, "A GOOD GEM HAS GOOD EFFECT, A BAD GEM HAS > BAD EFFECT." You > > are welcome to quote me (grin**) > > > > Best rgds, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > <divadevi108> wrote: > > > > > > dear richard ji: i respect what you say about not wearing > gemstones > > > that are aligned with negative influences in our charts. there > is a > > > diversity of opinion on the value of wearing a navratna mala > among > > > vedic astrologers, and i am wondering if there is a particular > > > scripture that causes you to disagree with the theory that all > will > > > benefit from a navratna mala. > > > > > > your aspiring vedic astrology student, > > > > > > diva devi > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > > > <divadevi108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > greetings, dear richard ji: > > > > > > > > > > namaste! your rudraksha pendants are very lovely. is there a > > > > > particular form of jewelry that a "prescribed" jyotish piece > is > > > > > better or more effective, say a ring versus a pendant? > > > > ---IN OUR EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH OVER 10,000 NUMBERED > TALISMANS > > > BEING WORN > > > > IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. > > > > > > > > > > realizing you travel in royal and rarified circles in the > > > planetary > > > > > gem world, it is understandable your taste is very refined, > but > > > i am > > > > > a little concerned with your thinking that wearing more than > > > five > > > > > rudrakshas pushes the limits of good taste. i would hope > there > > > is a > > > > > place in your spectrum from sadhu to hippy to elegant > fashonista > > > for > > > > > an artsy shiva-besotted sadhak. > > > > ---AMONG OUR CLIENTS ARE NO SADHAKAS. AND IF ONE COMES ALONG I > > > STILL > > > > RECOMMEND SETTING RUDRAKSHA BEADS SEPARATLY. LIKE I WEAR 4 > > > DIFFERENT RR > > > > BEADS, BUT THEY ARE EACH SEPARATLY SET (I USE NEPALI 2 FACE, 4 > > > FACE, 13 FACE AND > > > > 14 FACE, TOGETHER WITH 3 OTHER TALISMANS, ON ONE CHAIN. BUT > FOR A > > > REAL TYAGI > > > > SADAK IT'S BEST TO USE COMPLETE MALA...THAT'S IS THE "SADHU" > LOOK, > > > AND IT'S GREAT > > > > FOR SADHUS. > > > > > > > > > > the siddh mala i wear every day has small 7-mukhi beads that > > > show > > > > > outwardly, with the larger beads tucked inside my business > > > clothes. > > > > > i often receive compliments about my "interesting and > beautiful" > > > > > jewelry, which is a combination of the siddh, navratna and > > > sphatika > > > > > malas, plus a few other hidden pieces on thin chains. i'll > > > spare > > > > > you those details because i imagine you're rolling your eyes > by > > > now, > > > > > thinking HOW UNCOOL!! <g> > > > > ---OH NO, DEAR, I'M NOT THINKING THAT AT ALL. I'M GLAD YOU > HAVE > > > THE COOL AND > > > > SACRED ITEMS AS RUDRAKSHA. MY PERSONAL TASTE IS JUST IN > REGARDS TO > > > MY OWN > > > > CREATIONS. AND IF REQUESTED I WOULD HAPPILY CREATE AN ENTIRE > > > RUDRAKSHA MALA > > > > WITH EVERY BEAD SET IN GOLD AND ON COMPLETE GOLD WIRES. IT > WOULD > > > TAKE A LOT > > > > OF GOLD, AND WOULD LOOK GREAT ON MADONNA (OR YOU!!!). REALLY!!! > > > > > > > > > > the rubies in my navratna would not pass your test for > fineness > > > i'm > > > > > sure, which provokes another question. since the sun is a > > > malefic > > > > > in my chart, do you think a really refined ruby is called > for, > > > or > > > > > maybe a denser one would be preferable? just curious. some > > > > > vedic astrologers think that a navratna mala is a good thing > for > > > all > > > > > astrologically because the gemstone energies are in balance. > > > > ---IF YOU'RE HAVING SUN MALEFIC THEN YOU SHOULD NOT WEAR "ANY" > > > RUBY. BUT EVEN > > > > IF YOU'RE HAVING BENEFIC SUN, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD > ANYONE > > > USE > > > > FLAWED JUNK RUBIES. NOTE: IN SRI GARUDA PURANA IS SAYS ABOUT > > > RUBIES: "A ruby, > > > > although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color > > > banding, excessive inclusions > > > > within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a > rough > > > surface, or is dull and > > > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of > > > ignorance, will suffer from > > > > disease, or loss of fortune". ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 > > > > > > > > > > so many tibetan buddhist sacred artifacts are embellished > with > > > coral > > > > > and turquoise. do you think the energies of these stones may > > > have > > > > > played a role in their tragic history? > > > > ---ONE THING ABOUT TIBETAN STONES IS THEY ARE ALWAYS SOOOOOO > VERY > > > FLAWED!!! > > > > EVEN TURQUOISE IS FULL OF MANY CRACKS CALLED "MATRIX" BUT IN > FACT > > > THEY'RE JUST > > > > "FLAWS". BUT THESE ARE NOT THE REASON THAT TIBET HAS COME > UNDER > > > CHINA... THAT > > > > IS POLITICS, MY DEAR!! > > > > > > > > I'M ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP. ACTUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS > AND I > > > ANSWER IT > > > > ALLOWS ME TO BUILD A FAQ DB THAT PEOPLE CAN REFER. SO THANKS > > > ALWAYS FOR THE > > > > INPUT. > > > > > > > > STAY WELL AND ALL THE BEST, > > > > > > > > RICHARD > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 functionally malefic jupiter and moon. a very tall order, to put it mildly. so many questions have arisen, and i thought i had come to your site to simply look at beautiful sacred objects. little did i realize i would learn that it might be prudent to abandon much of what i've "held" for years. oh, sadhana and its never ending surprises!! of course, you do graciously offer a golden opportunity to replenish with exquisite pieces, so i'm trying to look at the bright side...<g> all the best, diva devi Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66 > wrote: Dear Diva Devi,Namaste!!! In your chart Sun is debilitated and Lord of the 12th (loss), so the most effective thing you could do with your Garnet Mala is donate it to a Sadhu. Donating gems for harmful planets is most effective and named "Ratna-arpana". It's even MORE effective if you are very attached to the item. Remember, what we give stays with us forever, and what we keep is lost in time.For your Ganesh, red coral is best and associated gem, but your Mars is debilitated and ruler of the 8th (death). So maybe you better wear your Ganesh on a different mala, like small Rudraksha.I hope you got my information on your chart. You will be getting a seperate package from our company. It will be interesting to compare myself with my company.Best rgds,Richard--- In sacred-objects, "divadevi108" <divadevi108> wrote:>> dear richard ji: namaste! thank you for addressing my question with > such specificity. experience is a great teacher, and 14th century > writings are not exactly hot off the press <g> so i'm impressed with > the sensibility of your position that not all are benefited by > wearing a navratna mala.> > you've mentioned that the sun and mars are my worst planets, moon > and jupiter are functional malefics. so with one fell swoop, almost > half of the navratna gems are off limits for me. i've been > contemplating the ramifications of this revelation and would > appreciate your further input. > > my ganesha japa mala is made with 108 4mm garnet beads, a gemstone > of the sun, albeit a semiprecious, secondary or tertiary one. do > you think it best to change malas? sri ganesha and red stones do go > together and i'm not aware of another color gemstone that he > prefers. maybe a mala of 8-faced rudrakshas is in order, but i > dearly love this garnet mala, having worn it for years, including > all over india, bathing in the ganges, temple pujas and blessings, > so it carries great energy. what to do? as you can see, no > attachment here <g> > > in other words, is the best approach, jyotishly speaking, to remove > from our environs every piece of jewelry, sacred tool, etc. composed > of the stones that are aligned to negative influences in our > charts? or are there exceptions?> > with warm regards and gratitude for your patience,> > diva devi> > > - In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > <rsbj66> wrote:> >> > Dear Diva Devi,> > > > Namaste!!! Om svastyastu!!! The most early mention (in Sanskrit) > of the Navaratna is in > > "Jataka Parijata," chap. 2, sloka 21 compiled by Sri Vaidyanatha > Dikshitar. There is no > > mention of Navaratna in ancient shastra (Veda-Upanishad-Brahma-> sutra-Itihas > > (Ramayana/Mahabharat), Purana. The only mention given is in Agni > Puranam. Sri Garuda > > Puranam also mentions a number of gems, but does not give astral > associations as such. > > The "Jataka Parijata," is not really ancient shastra by Vedic > standards. Still it's conclusion is > > accepted by most, including me. In that verse they use the > terms, "Sujai=top color (high > > born), and Amala=flawless as the required quality for good effect > or Jyotish Quality. There > > is nothing about who should or shouldn't wear a navaratna.> > > > My conclusion that a chart with any extreme harmful planets should > not use Navaratna is > > based on my own personal experence and those of many clients, some > who benefited, and > > some had pronounced MIXED results. In fact, the Navaratna is a > sacred "Yantra" and is best > > to worship in stead of wearing. But those with "balanced" charts > never have any bad > > results wearing the 9 gems, only good results. In any case the > gems must be CLEAN gem > > quality (amala) and that is quite expensive even in small sizes > due to actual rarity and > > Bangkok gem market realities.> > > > It stands to reason, "A GOOD GEM HAS GOOD EFFECT, A BAD GEM HAS > BAD EFFECT." You > > are welcome to quote me (grin**)> > > > Best rgds,> > Richard> > > > --- In sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > <divadevi108> wrote:> > >> > > dear richard ji: i respect what you say about not wearing > gemstones > > > that are aligned with negative influences in our charts. there > is a > > > diversity of opinion on the value of wearing a navratna mala > among > > > vedic astrologers, and i am wondering if there is a particular > > > scripture that causes you to disagree with the theory that all > will > > > benefit from a navratna mala.> > > > > > your aspiring vedic astrology student,> > > > > > diva devi> > > > > > --- In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > > <rsbj66> wrote:> > > >> > > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > > > <divadevi108> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > greetings, dear richard ji: > > > > > > > > > > namaste! your rudraksha pendants are very lovely. is there a > > > > > particular form of jewelry that a "prescribed" jyotish piece > is > > > > > better or more effective, say a ring versus a pendant? > > > > ---IN OUR EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH OVER 10,000 NUMBERED > TALISMANS > > > BEING WORN > > > > IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.> > > > > > > > > > realizing you travel in royal and rarified circles in the > > > planetary > > > > > gem world, it is understandable your taste is very refined, > but > > > i am > > > > > a little concerned with your thinking that wearing more than > > > five > > > > > rudrakshas pushes the limits of good taste. i would hope > there > > > is a > > > > > place in your spectrum from sadhu to hippy to elegant > fashonista > > > for > > > > > an artsy shiva-besotted sadhak. > > > > ---AMONG OUR CLIENTS ARE NO SADHAKAS. AND IF ONE COMES ALONG I > > > STILL > > > > RECOMMEND SETTING RUDRAKSHA BEADS SEPARATLY. LIKE I WEAR 4 > > > DIFFERENT RR > > > > BEADS, BUT THEY ARE EACH SEPARATLY SET (I USE NEPALI 2 FACE, 4 > > > FACE, 13 FACE AND > > > > 14 FACE, TOGETHER WITH 3 OTHER TALISMANS, ON ONE CHAIN. BUT > FOR A > > > REAL TYAGI > > > > SADAK IT'S BEST TO USE COMPLETE MALA...THAT'S IS THE "SADHU" > LOOK, > > > AND IT'S GREAT > > > > FOR SADHUS.> > > > > > > > > > the siddh mala i wear every day has small 7-mukhi beads that > > > show > > > > > outwardly, with the larger beads tucked inside my business > > > clothes. > > > > > i often receive compliments about my "interesting and > beautiful" > > > > > jewelry, which is a combination of the siddh, navratna and > > > sphatika > > > > > malas, plus a few other hidden pieces on thin chains. i'll > > > spare > > > > > you those details because i imagine you're rolling your eyes > by > > > now, > > > > > thinking HOW UNCOOL!! <g>> > > > ---OH NO, DEAR, I'M NOT THINKING THAT AT ALL. I'M GLAD YOU > HAVE > > > THE COOL AND > > > > SACRED ITEMS AS RUDRAKSHA. MY PERSONAL TASTE IS JUST IN > REGARDS TO > > > MY OWN > > > > CREATIONS. AND IF REQUESTED I WOULD HAPPILY CREATE AN ENTIRE > > > RUDRAKSHA MALA > > > > WITH EVERY BEAD SET IN GOLD AND ON COMPLETE GOLD WIRES. IT > WOULD > > > TAKE A LOT > > > > OF GOLD, AND WOULD LOOK GREAT ON MADONNA (OR YOU!!!). REALLY!!!> > > > > > > > > > the rubies in my navratna would not pass your test for > fineness > > > i'm > > > > > sure, which provokes another question. since the sun is a > > > malefic > > > > > in my chart, do you think a really refined ruby is called > for, > > > or > > > > > maybe a denser one would be preferable? just curious. some > > > > > vedic astrologers think that a navratna mala is a good thing > for > > > all > > > > > astrologically because the gemstone energies are in balance.> > > > ---IF YOU'RE HAVING SUN MALEFIC THEN YOU SHOULD NOT WEAR "ANY" > > > RUBY. BUT EVEN > > > > IF YOU'RE HAVING BENEFIC SUN, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD > ANYONE > > > USE > > > > FLAWED JUNK RUBIES. NOTE: IN SRI GARUDA PURANA IS SAYS ABOUT > > > RUBIES: "A ruby, > > > > although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color > > > banding, excessive inclusions > > > > within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a > rough > > > surface, or is dull and > > > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of > > > ignorance, will suffer from > > > > disease, or loss of fortune". ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70> > > > > > > > > > so many tibetan buddhist sacred artifacts are embellished > with > > > coral > > > > > and turquoise. do you think the energies of these stones may > > > have > > > > > played a role in their tragic history? > > > > ---ONE THING ABOUT TIBETAN STONES IS THEY ARE ALWAYS SOOOOOO > VERY > > > FLAWED!!! > > > > EVEN TURQUOISE IS FULL OF MANY CRACKS CALLED "MATRIX" BUT IN > FACT > > > THEY'RE JUST > > > > "FLAWS". BUT THESE ARE NOT THE REASON THAT TIBET HAS COME > UNDER > > > CHINA... THAT > > > > IS POLITICS, MY DEAR!!> > > > > > > > I'M ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP. ACTUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS > AND I > > > ANSWER IT > > > > ALLOWS ME TO BUILD A FAQ DB THAT PEOPLE CAN REFER. SO THANKS > > > ALWAYS FOR THE > > > > INPUT.> > > > > > > > STAY WELL AND ALL THE BEST,> > > > > > > > RICHARD> > > >> > >> >> Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Dear Diva Devi, There is no need to give up your blessed mala. It is already used by you so it can't be offered to any Deity. And it is blessed so you should keep it on your altar or any other place where you keep sacred objects. Please keep it, only don't wear it. Try this and see how you feel. Best regards, Richard sacred-objects, diana victoria <divadevi108> wrote: > > greetings, sri richard ji > > namaste! > > i have been contemplating your sage response to my inquiry. is there another avenue for releasing this garnet mala, the first of many gemstone items that may need to be released? no orange clad sadhus are easily accessible. would releasing it into a body of water or leaving it at the navagraha puja at the temple be equally effective? > > with garnet having ties to both the sun and mars, malefics as you have described them in my chart, it seems a prudent thing to do, to release it, but there are so many other pieces i have received over the years in red stones. since i'm a scorp in the western system, aries rising, moon and mercury in sag...red red red!!! then there are the scorpio birthstones, golden topazes and citrines, and pearls and moonstones that i suppose need to be released with a functionally malefic jupiter and moon. a very tall order, to put it mildly. > > so many questions have arisen, and i thought i had come to your site to simply look at beautiful sacred objects. little did i realize i would learn that it might be prudent to abandon much of what i've "held" for years. oh, sadhana and its never ending surprises!! > > of course, you do graciously offer a golden opportunity to replenish with exquisite pieces, so i'm trying to look at the bright side...<g> > > all the best, > > diva devi > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote: > Dear Diva Devi, > > Namaste!!! In your chart Sun is debilitated and Lord of the 12th (loss), so the most > effective thing you could do with your Garnet Mala is donate it to a Sadhu. Donating gems > for harmful planets is most effective and named "Ratna-arpana". It's even MORE effective if > you are very attached to the item. Remember, what we give stays with us forever, and what > we keep is lost in time. > > For your Ganesh, red coral is best and associated gem, but your Mars is debilitated and > ruler of the 8th (death). So maybe you better wear your Ganesh on a different mala, like > small Rudraksha. > > I hope you got my information on your chart. You will be getting a seperate package from > our company. It will be interesting to compare myself with my company. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" <divadevi108> wrote: > > > > dear richard ji: namaste! thank you for addressing my question with > > such specificity. experience is a great teacher, and 14th century > > writings are not exactly hot off the press <g> so i'm impressed with > > the sensibility of your position that not all are benefited by > > wearing a navratna mala. > > > > you've mentioned that the sun and mars are my worst planets, moon > > and jupiter are functional malefics. so with one fell swoop, almost > > half of the navratna gems are off limits for me. i've been > > contemplating the ramifications of this revelation and would > > appreciate your further input. > > > > my ganesha japa mala is made with 108 4mm garnet beads, a gemstone > > of the sun, albeit a semiprecious, secondary or tertiary one. do > > you think it best to change malas? sri ganesha and red stones do go > > together and i'm not aware of another color gemstone that he > > prefers. maybe a mala of 8-faced rudrakshas is in order, but i > > dearly love this garnet mala, having worn it for years, including > > all over india, bathing in the ganges, temple pujas and blessings, > > so it carries great energy. what to do? as you can see, no > > attachment here <g> > > > > in other words, is the best approach, jyotishly speaking, to remove > > from our environs every piece of jewelry, sacred tool, etc. composed > > of the stones that are aligned to negative influences in our > > charts? or are there exceptions? > > > > with warm regards and gratitude for your patience, > > > > diva devi > > > > > > - In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Diva Devi, > > > > > > Namaste!!! Om svastyastu!!! The most early mention (in Sanskrit) > > of the Navaratna is in > > > "Jataka Parijata," chap. 2, sloka 21 compiled by Sri Vaidyanatha > > Dikshitar. There is no > > > mention of Navaratna in ancient shastra (Veda-Upanishad-Brahma- > > sutra-Itihas > > > (Ramayana/Mahabharat), Purana. The only mention given is in Agni > > Puranam. Sri Garuda > > > Puranam also mentions a number of gems, but does not give astral > > associations as such. > > > The "Jataka Parijata," is not really ancient shastra by Vedic > > standards. Still it's conclusion is > > > accepted by most, including me. In that verse they use the > > terms, "Sujai=top color (high > > > born), and Amala=flawless as the required quality for good effect > > or Jyotish Quality. There > > > is nothing about who should or shouldn't wear a navaratna. > > > > > > My conclusion that a chart with any extreme harmful planets should > > not use Navaratna is > > > based on my own personal experence and those of many clients, some > > who benefited, and > > > some had pronounced MIXED results. In fact, the Navaratna is a > > sacred "Yantra" and is best > > > to worship in stead of wearing. But those with "balanced" charts > > never have any bad > > > results wearing the 9 gems, only good results. In any case the > > gems must be CLEAN gem > > > quality (amala) and that is quite expensive even in small sizes > > due to actual rarity and > > > Bangkok gem market realities. > > > > > > It stands to reason, "A GOOD GEM HAS GOOD EFFECT, A BAD GEM HAS > > BAD EFFECT." You > > > are welcome to quote me (grin**) > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > > <divadevi108> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear richard ji: i respect what you say about not wearing > > gemstones > > > > that are aligned with negative influences in our charts. there > > is a > > > > diversity of opinion on the value of wearing a navratna mala > > among > > > > vedic astrologers, and i am wondering if there is a particular > > > > scripture that causes you to disagree with the theory that all > > will > > > > benefit from a navratna mala. > > > > > > > > your aspiring vedic astrology student, > > > > > > > > diva devi > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > > > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > > > > <divadevi108> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > greetings, dear richard ji: > > > > > > > > > > > > namaste! your rudraksha pendants are very lovely. is there a > > > > > > particular form of jewelry that a "prescribed" jyotish piece > > is > > > > > > better or more effective, say a ring versus a pendant? > > > > > ---IN OUR EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH OVER 10,000 NUMBERED > > TALISMANS > > > > BEING WORN > > > > > IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > realizing you travel in royal and rarified circles in the > > > > planetary > > > > > > gem world, it is understandable your taste is very refined, > > but > > > > i am > > > > > > a little concerned with your thinking that wearing more than > > > > five > > > > > > rudrakshas pushes the limits of good taste. i would hope > > there > > > > is a > > > > > > place in your spectrum from sadhu to hippy to elegant > > fashonista > > > > for > > > > > > an artsy shiva-besotted sadhak. > > > > > ---AMONG OUR CLIENTS ARE NO SADHAKAS. AND IF ONE COMES ALONG I > > > > STILL > > > > > RECOMMEND SETTING RUDRAKSHA BEADS SEPARATLY. LIKE I WEAR 4 > > > > DIFFERENT RR > > > > > BEADS, BUT THEY ARE EACH SEPARATLY SET (I USE NEPALI 2 FACE, 4 > > > > FACE, 13 FACE AND > > > > > 14 FACE, TOGETHER WITH 3 OTHER TALISMANS, ON ONE CHAIN. BUT > > FOR A > > > > REAL TYAGI > > > > > SADAK IT'S BEST TO USE COMPLETE MALA...THAT'S IS THE "SADHU" > > LOOK, > > > > AND IT'S GREAT > > > > > FOR SADHUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > the siddh mala i wear every day has small 7-mukhi beads that > > > > show > > > > > > outwardly, with the larger beads tucked inside my business > > > > clothes. > > > > > > i often receive compliments about my "interesting and > > beautiful" > > > > > > jewelry, which is a combination of the siddh, navratna and > > > > sphatika > > > > > > malas, plus a few other hidden pieces on thin chains. i'll > > > > spare > > > > > > you those details because i imagine you're rolling your eyes > > by > > > > now, > > > > > > thinking HOW UNCOOL!! <g> > > > > > ---OH NO, DEAR, I'M NOT THINKING THAT AT ALL. I'M GLAD YOU > > HAVE > > > > THE COOL AND > > > > > SACRED ITEMS AS RUDRAKSHA. MY PERSONAL TASTE IS JUST IN > > REGARDS TO > > > > MY OWN > > > > > CREATIONS. AND IF REQUESTED I WOULD HAPPILY CREATE AN ENTIRE > > > > RUDRAKSHA MALA > > > > > WITH EVERY BEAD SET IN GOLD AND ON COMPLETE GOLD WIRES. IT > > WOULD > > > > TAKE A LOT > > > > > OF GOLD, AND WOULD LOOK GREAT ON MADONNA (OR YOU!!!). REALLY!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > the rubies in my navratna would not pass your test for > > fineness > > > > i'm > > > > > > sure, which provokes another question. since the sun is a > > > > malefic > > > > > > in my chart, do you think a really refined ruby is called > > for, > > > > or > > > > > > maybe a denser one would be preferable? just curious. some > > > > > > vedic astrologers think that a navratna mala is a good thing > > for > > > > all > > > > > > astrologically because the gemstone energies are in balance. > > > > > ---IF YOU'RE HAVING SUN MALEFIC THEN YOU SHOULD NOT WEAR "ANY" > > > > RUBY. BUT EVEN > > > > > IF YOU'RE HAVING BENEFIC SUN, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD > > ANYONE > > > > USE > > > > > FLAWED JUNK RUBIES. NOTE: IN SRI GARUDA PURANA IS SAYS ABOUT > > > > RUBIES: "A ruby, > > > > > although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color > > > > banding, excessive inclusions > > > > > within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a > > rough > > > > surface, or is dull and > > > > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of > > > > ignorance, will suffer from > > > > > disease, or loss of fortune". ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70 > > > > > > > > > > > > so many tibetan buddhist sacred artifacts are embellished > > with > > > > coral > > > > > > and turquoise. do you think the energies of these stones may > > > > have > > > > > > played a role in their tragic history? > > > > > ---ONE THING ABOUT TIBETAN STONES IS THEY ARE ALWAYS SOOOOOO > > VERY > > > > FLAWED!!! > > > > > EVEN TURQUOISE IS FULL OF MANY CRACKS CALLED "MATRIX" BUT IN > > FACT > > > > THEY'RE JUST > > > > > "FLAWS". BUT THESE ARE NOT THE REASON THAT TIBET HAS COME > > UNDER > > > > CHINA... THAT > > > > > IS POLITICS, MY DEAR!! > > > > > > > > > > I'M ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP. ACTUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS > > AND I > > > > ANSWER IT > > > > > ALLOWS ME TO BUILD A FAQ DB THAT PEOPLE CAN REFER. SO THANKS > > > > ALWAYS FOR THE > > > > > INPUT. > > > > > > > > > > STAY WELL AND ALL THE BEST, > > > > > > > > > > RICHARD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 contemplating your sage response to my inquiry. is there another avenue for releasing this garnet mala, the first of many gemstone items that may need to be released? no orange clad sadhus are easily accessible. would releasing it into a body of water or leaving it at the navagraha puja at the temple be equally effective? > > with garnet having ties to both the sun and mars, malefics as you have described them in my chart, it seems a prudent thing to do, to release it, but there are so many other pieces i have received over the years in red stones. since i'm a scorp in the western system, aries rising, moon and mercury in sag...red red red!!! then there are the scorpio birthstones, golden topazes and citrines, and pearls and moonstones that i suppose need to be released with a functionally malefic jupiter and moon. a very tall order, to put it mildly.> > so many questions have arisen, and i thought i had come to your site to simply look at beautiful sacred objects. little did i realize i would learn that it might be prudent to abandon much of what i've "held" for years. oh, sadhana and its never ending surprises!! > > of course, you do graciously offer a golden opportunity to replenish with exquisite pieces, so i'm trying to look at the bright side...<g>> > all the best,> > diva devi > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66> wrote:> Dear Diva Devi,> > Namaste!!! In your chart Sun is debilitated and Lord of the 12th (loss), so the most > effective thing you could do with your Garnet Mala is donate it to a Sadhu. Donating gems > for harmful planets is most effective and named "Ratna-arpana". It's even MORE effective if > you are very attached to the item. Remember, what we give stays with us forever, and what > we keep is lost in time.> > For your Ganesh, red coral is best and associated gem, but your Mars is debilitated and > ruler of the 8th (death). So maybe you better wear your Ganesh on a different mala, like > small Rudraksha.> > I hope you got my information on your chart. You will be getting a seperate package from > our company. It will be interesting to compare myself with my company.> > Best rgds,> Richard> > --- In sacred-objects, "divadevi108" <divadevi108> wrote:> >> > dear richard ji: namaste! thank you for addressing my question with > > such specificity. experience is a great teacher, and 14th century > > writings are not exactly hot off the press <g> so i'm impressed with > > the sensibility of your position that not all are benefited by > > wearing a navratna mala.> > > > you've mentioned that the sun and mars are my worst planets, moon > > and jupiter are functional malefics. so with one fell swoop, almost > > half of the navratna gems are off limits for me. i've been > > contemplating the ramifications of this revelation and would > > appreciate your further input. > > > > my ganesha japa mala is made with 108 4mm garnet beads, a gemstone > > of the sun, albeit a semiprecious, secondary or tertiary one. do > > you think it best to change malas? sri ganesha and red stones do go > > together and i'm not aware of another color gemstone that he > > prefers. maybe a mala of 8-faced rudrakshas is in order, but i > > dearly love this garnet mala, having worn it for years, including > > all over india, bathing in the ganges, temple pujas and blessings, > > so it carries great energy. what to do? as you can see, no > > attachment here <g> > > > > in other words, is the best approach, jyotishly speaking, to remove > > from our environs every piece of jewelry, sacred tool, etc. composed > > of the stones that are aligned to negative influences in our > > charts? or are there exceptions?> > > > with warm regards and gratitude for your patience,> > > > diva devi> > > > > > - In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > <rsbj66> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Diva Devi,> > > > > > Namaste!!! Om svastyastu!!! The most early mention (in Sanskrit) > > of the Navaratna is in > > > "Jataka Parijata," chap. 2, sloka 21 compiled by Sri Vaidyanatha > > Dikshitar. There is no > > > mention of Navaratna in ancient shastra (Veda-Upanishad-Brahma-> > sutra-Itihas > > > (Ramayana/Mahabharat), Purana. The only mention given is in Agni > > Puranam. Sri Garuda > > > Puranam also mentions a number of gems, but does not give astral > > associations as such. > > > The "Jataka Parijata," is not really ancient shastra by Vedic > > standards. Still it's conclusion is > > > accepted by most, including me. In that verse they use the > > terms, "Sujai=top color (high > > > born), and Amala=flawless as the required quality for good effect > > or Jyotish Quality. There > > > is nothing about who should or shouldn't wear a navaratna.> > > > > > My conclusion that a chart with any extreme harmful planets should > > not use Navaratna is > > > based on my own personal experence and those of many clients, some > > who benefited, and > > > some had pronounced MIXED results. In fact, the Navaratna is a > > sacred "Yantra" and is best > > > to worship in stead of wearing. But those with "balanced" charts > > never have any bad > > > results wearing the 9 gems, only good results. In any case the > > gems must be CLEAN gem > > > quality (amala) and that is quite expensive even in small sizes > > due to actual rarity and > > > Bangkok gem market realities.> > > > > > It stands to reason, "A GOOD GEM HAS GOOD EFFECT, A BAD GEM HAS > > BAD EFFECT." You > > > are welcome to quote me (grin**)> > > > > > Best rgds,> > > Richard> > > > > > --- In sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > > <divadevi108> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear richard ji: i respect what you say about not wearing > > gemstones > > > > that are aligned with negative influences in our charts. there > > is a > > > > diversity of opinion on the value of wearing a navratna mala > > among > > > > vedic astrologers, and i am wondering if there is a particular > > > > scripture that causes you to disagree with the theory that all > > will > > > > benefit from a navratna mala.> > > > > > > > your aspiring vedic astrology student,> > > > > > > > diva devi> > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > > > <rsbj66> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > sacred-objects, "divadevi108" > > > > <divadevi108> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > greetings, dear richard ji: > > > > > > > > > > > > namaste! your rudraksha pendants are very lovely. is there a > > > > > > particular form of jewelry that a "prescribed" jyotish piece > > is > > > > > > better or more effective, say a ring versus a pendant? > > > > > ---IN OUR EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH OVER 10,000 NUMBERED > > TALISMANS > > > > BEING WORN > > > > > IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.> > > > > > > > > > > > realizing you travel in royal and rarified circles in the > > > > planetary > > > > > > gem world, it is understandable your taste is very refined, > > but > > > > i am > > > > > > a little concerned with your thinking that wearing more than > > > > five > > > > > > rudrakshas pushes the limits of good taste. i would hope > > there > > > > is a > > > > > > place in your spectrum from sadhu to hippy to elegant > > fashonista > > > > for > > > > > > an artsy shiva-besotted sadhak. > > > > > ---AMONG OUR CLIENTS ARE NO SADHAKAS. AND IF ONE COMES ALONG I > > > > STILL > > > > > RECOMMEND SETTING RUDRAKSHA BEADS SEPARATLY. LIKE I WEAR 4 > > > > DIFFERENT RR > > > > > BEADS, BUT THEY ARE EACH SEPARATLY SET (I USE NEPALI 2 FACE, 4 > > > > FACE, 13 FACE AND > > > > > 14 FACE, TOGETHER WITH 3 OTHER TALISMANS, ON ONE CHAIN. BUT > > FOR A > > > > REAL TYAGI > > > > > SADAK IT'S BEST TO USE COMPLETE MALA...THAT'S IS THE "SADHU" > > LOOK, > > > > AND IT'S GREAT > > > > > FOR SADHUS.> > > > > > > > > > > > the siddh mala i wear every day has small 7-mukhi beads that > > > > show > > > > > > outwardly, with the larger beads tucked inside my business > > > > clothes. > > > > > > i often receive compliments about my "interesting and > > beautiful" > > > > > > jewelry, which is a combination of the siddh, navratna and > > > > sphatika > > > > > > malas, plus a few other hidden pieces on thin chains. i'll > > > > spare > > > > > > you those details because i imagine you're rolling your eyes > > by > > > > now, > > > > > > thinking HOW UNCOOL!! <g>> > > > > ---OH NO, DEAR, I'M NOT THINKING THAT AT ALL. I'M GLAD YOU > > HAVE > > > > THE COOL AND > > > > > SACRED ITEMS AS RUDRAKSHA. MY PERSONAL TASTE IS JUST IN > > REGARDS TO > > > > MY OWN > > > > > CREATIONS. AND IF REQUESTED I WOULD HAPPILY CREATE AN ENTIRE > > > > RUDRAKSHA MALA > > > > > WITH EVERY BEAD SET IN GOLD AND ON COMPLETE GOLD WIRES. IT > > WOULD > > > > TAKE A LOT > > > > > OF GOLD, AND WOULD LOOK GREAT ON MADONNA (OR YOU!!!). REALLY!!!> > > > > > > > > > > > the rubies in my navratna would not pass your test for > > fineness > > > > i'm > > > > > > sure, which provokes another question. since the sun is a > > > > malefic > > > > > > in my chart, do you think a really refined ruby is called > > for, > > > > or > > > > > > maybe a denser one would be preferable? just curious. some > > > > > > vedic astrologers think that a navratna mala is a good thing > > for > > > > all > > > > > > astrologically because the gemstone energies are in balance.> > > > > ---IF YOU'RE HAVING SUN MALEFIC THEN YOU SHOULD NOT WEAR "ANY" > > > > RUBY. BUT EVEN > > > > > IF YOU'RE HAVING BENEFIC SUN, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD > > ANYONE > > > > USE > > > > > FLAWED JUNK RUBIES. NOTE: IN SRI GARUDA PURANA IS SAYS ABOUT > > > > RUBIES: "A ruby, > > > > > although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color > > > > banding, excessive inclusions > > > > > within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a > > rough > > > > surface, or is dull and > > > > > lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of > > > > ignorance, will suffer from > > > > > disease, or loss of fortune". ---Sri Garuda Puranam: Chap. 70> > > > > > > > > > > > so many tibetan buddhist sacred artifacts are embellished > > with > > > > coral > > > > > > and turquoise. do you think the energies of these stones may > > > > have > > > > > > played a role in their tragic history? > > > > > ---ONE THING ABOUT TIBETAN STONES IS THEY ARE ALWAYS SOOOOOO > > VERY > > > > FLAWED!!! > > > > > EVEN TURQUOISE IS FULL OF MANY CRACKS CALLED "MATRIX" BUT IN > > FACT > > > > THEY'RE JUST > > > > > "FLAWS". BUT THESE ARE NOT THE REASON THAT TIBET HAS COME > > UNDER > > > > CHINA... THAT > > > > > IS POLITICS, MY DEAR!!> > > > > > > > > > I'M ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP. ACTUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS > > AND I > > > > ANSWER IT > > > > > ALLOWS ME TO BUILD A FAQ DB THAT PEOPLE CAN REFER. SO THANKS > > > > ALWAYS FOR THE > > > > > INPUT.> > > > > > > > > > STAY WELL AND ALL THE BEST,> > > > > > > > > > RICHARD> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> sacred-objects> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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