Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Dear Aadi, Namaste!!! Certainly pure bhakti is free from desire for reward, and that bhakti is thus causeless and is its own reward. The bhaktas who are niskam have nothng to request from Bhagavan because they are atmaram. To worship God and still have some desires for material advancement is called "karma-misra" bhakti. That is not perfect like akinchan bhajan; still Karma-misra bhakti, while not the ultimate attainment, is very praiseworthy. I can't remember off hand the source but I do remember the sloka, "Akama sarva-kamova moksha-kamaudradih tivrena bhakti-yogena yajesha purusham param." Meaning, If one has all material desires, or if one has no material desire, or even if one desires moksha, in all cases one should resort to the Supreme Person. A pure devotee worships Shalagram, Rudraksha, etc., only to please Iswara (akama) A karma misra devotee worships these hoping for good fortune by pleasing Iswara A niskam yogi may desire sacred objects to serve God - like pouring Ganga Jal on Shalagram while thinking how much this is enjoyed by Bhagavan. A karma-misra bhakta does the same while thinking how this is pleasing God so He will cast His blessings on them. Lord Krishna says that 4 types of persons worship Him, the suffering, the needy, the inquisitive, and those in knowledge, and all these types are due to, "sukriti" or spiritual assets earned in previous lives. I personally am a karma-misra (aspiring) bhakta. And I'll take all the blessing I deserve. Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291> wrote: > dear phadkesir, this is in response to your views on open rudraksh > forum. i thought of posting it here also so our group members can > also read this. > yes, yet again, i am touched by your views on bhakti. i have always > felt the same way--salvation or moksha as the saints attained was > merely through chanting and quietly suffering whatever came their > way. > for instance, a saint won't run after a 14 mukhi rudraksh if he > comes under sadhe sati of shree shanidev but a modern man would, if > he can afford. if not, he will try blue sapphire, if that does not > suit, he will try the saturn herb, he will also stand outside a > shani temple to offer oil and flowers to the god, but he is most > likely toforget doing all this once he is out of the transit. > but i have found that when one worships god or his gurudev with > nishkam bhakti, the lord gives you all the mystic things which can > take care of your most material things. so the rudraksh will come to > you, valampuri and shaligram will, at different points of time. > but one must not forget that it is the supreme element or para tatva > which has blessed you with all this. > i also desire an affordable valampuri and a shaligram shila but that > is not for some material purpose....i just want to experience > divinity further.... > with my utmost regards to you sir, > aadi > > > > , "alstrup" <alstrup> > wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > I appreciate your letter and I agree. > > > > I have written Richard Shaw Brown and asked for his further input. > > > > Did you receive my email reply? > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that for a causeless bhakti and 'Karma-Misra- > > Bhakti', no gems, rudraksha and talisma are required. Most of > the > > people (though not all) run after gems, rudraksha, and talisma > for > > material benefits and to solve their financial and family > > problems. It is believed that to achieve salvation or mukti only > > chanting of the name of the God is sufficiet. However, in this > > material world, God is also used as one of the ladder to achieve > > material comforts. Most of the people worship God, either to > > achieve something, or just out of fear. Messengers of the God or > > saints come under a totally different catagory far away from the > > material world. There are very few people (a common man, I mean > to > > say) other than saints worship God out of pure love for Him. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" > <rsbj66> wrote: > > Dear Ole, > > > > In short, there is not a conflict of interest if one walks the > straight and middle > > path. If you want to be a tyagi Vaishnava, full of misery, then > just offend Lord > > Shiva by ignoring His blessings. Lord Shiva is the GREATEST > Vaishnava, as > > well as being one of the Trimurti, and He is said to be God as > yougurt is milk. > > > > Many people are afraid to become Vaishnavas because they fear > material > > ruination. This is not the case. Vishnu is not ones ill-wisher. > God has better > > things to do than cause his devotees to be in poverty. In fact, > His consort is the > > Goddess of Fortune Herself. > > > > Lord Hari doesn't even recriprocate unless He is approached > (asked). Just as > > ghee is in the cow's body but there is no benefit to the cow; it > is by milking the > > cow, creating ghee, and feeding the gree to the cow that it > derives benefit. In > > the same way God is in everyone, but He normally doesn't act > unless > > requested to do so (prayer). > > > > I wear a Tulasi neck mala complete with a 14 mukhi Rudraksha. And > there is > > no conflict. Tulasi is fine and Rudraksha is fine. FINE+FINE=FINE. > > > > Lord Krishna taught Yukta Vairagya, or balanced life, not poverty. > We must be > > self sufficent and not be a burden. And for material and spiritual > blessings > > Rudraksha is the most recommended talisman in the Shastras. It is > the > > ultimate Hindu talisman, and is available to all, rich and poor. > > > > My suggestion is that you wear only ONE Rudraksha bead of your > choice for > > good luck. And Lord Shiva is happy to grant well-being to those > who respect > > and take advantage of His greatness. I think you are wearing too > many > > Rudraksha. If you want a Rudraksha that is best for Hari Bhakti > then use a > > single Dos (10) Mukhi. If you want relief from problems then wear > a 14 mukhi. > > > > You only need ONE good Nepali Rudraksha to compliment your Tulasi. > Be > > sure to use Nepali Rudraksha for maximum benefit. > > > > Om Shreem!!! > > > > Y/s, Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup> > wrote: > > > Dear Richard, > > > > > > Pranams Dandavats > > > > > > I read a very interesting piece you wrote at the RSBC group > which was > > > also published at > > > > > > http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/articledt.php?art_id=203 > > > > > > I wanted to ask you if there is any conflict of interest > according > > > to Gaudiya Vaishnavism to wear Rudraksha and Tulasi at the same > time? > > > > > > I am asking because some Rudraksha beads give more material > > > blessings while Srimate Tulasi wants to give pure devotion to > > > Krishna. > > > > > > I have all Nepali Rudraksha beads up to 14 mukhi in genuine > > > collector size offered to Aghora Face of Lord Pashupatinath in > Nepal. > > > > > > But I discovered I have problems wearing Tulasi and Rudraksha at > the > > > same time, it feels like there is a energetic conflict of > interest. > > > I wonder if it because the rasa is different? > > > > > > The reason why I started wearing Rudraksha beads was to appeal to > > > Lord Shiva to improve my material circumstances. Maybe this is > not > > > possible when trying to become a devotee of Lord Krishna? > > > > > > Do you wear Tulasi and Rusraksha at the same time? > > > > > > I tried to discuss more in detail about this at the Open > Rudraksha > > > , but unfortunately the discussion eventually turned > into > > > an attack on Gaudiya Vaishnavism. > > > > > > But if you read these two postings below, you would get the > details > > > of what I was trying to convey: > > > > > > /message/1176 > > > /message/1194 > > > > > > I would really appreciate your comments. I have long been > searching > > > for a Vaishnava with experience in this field. > > > > > > Thank you for any help, > > > > > > Ys, Ole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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