Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 but richardsir, i agree with you on this vishnu thought. but i was surprised to find that some people feel that tulsi would grant them renunciation! yes, tulsi signifies pure devotion, but lord vishnu is the giver or all material comforts. i agree with the roopa puja. the seeker gets the benefits of the form he worships..tirupathi balaji and shree nathji of rajasthan are known to bestow tremendous wordly riches. other vishnu forms may not do as much. they will give as their roopa symbolises. narasimhavatar for eg. yes, brahmagyan gives vairagyam. this is something which bhagwan shankar's bhakti might give.. though He in the form a vishuddha pardeshwar shivling or a high-powered rudraksh bead may give you all that is needed in a material world. but as the shastras and saints say, one should not differentiate between hari and har. in harihar, there is no dwait or dualism. the lord takes avatar in a particular yug to take care of the problems in that particular era. that does not mean that bhagwan vishnu is great and bhagwan shiv is not or some such thing. parbrahma is the ultimate element. in india, i was surprised to hear some acclaimed experts of vastu or other things saying that rudraksh will not give you much money. the whole language is wrong. as phadkeji says, true devotee wont ask for anything from the lord. i would say, he would worship tulsi, rudraksha, valampuri shaligram with the true devotion of a bhakti. these things are certain to give their benefits but why worry about it? -- In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66> wrote: > Dear Ole, > > In short, there is not a conflict of interest if one walks the straight and middle > path. If you want to be a tyagi Vaishnava, full of misery, then just offend Lord > Shiva by ignoring His blessings. Lord Shiva is the GREATEST Vaishnava, as > well as being one of the Trimurti, and He is said to be God as yougurt is milk. > > Many people are afraid to become Vaishnavas because they fear material > ruination. This is not the case. Vishnu is not ones ill-wisher. God has better > things to do than cause his devotees to be in poverty. In fact, His consort is the > Goddess of Fortune Herself. > > Lord Hari doesn't even recriprocate unless He is approached (asked). Just as > ghee is in the cow's body but there is no benefit to the cow; it is by milking the > cow, creating ghee, and feeding the gree to the cow that it derives benefit. In > the same way God is in everyone, but He normally doesn't act unless > requested to do so (prayer). > > I wear a Tulasi neck mala complete with a 14 mukhi Rudraksha. And there is > no conflict. Tulasi is fine and Rudraksha is fine. FINE+FINE=FINE. > > Lord Krishna taught Yukta Vairagya, or balanced life, not poverty. We must be > self sufficent and not be a burden. And for material and spiritual blessings > Rudraksha is the most recommended talisman in the Shastras. It is the > ultimate Hindu talisman, and is available to all, rich and poor. > > My suggestion is that you wear only ONE Rudraksha bead of your choice for > good luck. And Lord Shiva is happy to grant well-being to those who respect > and take advantage of His greatness. I think you are wearing too many > Rudraksha. If you want a Rudraksha that is best for Hari Bhakti then use a > single Dos (10) Mukhi. If you want relief from problems then wear a 14 mukhi. > > You only need ONE good Nepali Rudraksha to compliment your Tulasi. Be > sure to use Nepali Rudraksha for maximum benefit. > > Om Shreem!!! > > Y/s, Richard > > > sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup> wrote: > > Dear Richard, > > > > Pranams Dandavats > > > > I read a very interesting piece you wrote at the RSBC group which was > > also published at > > > > http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/articledt.php?art_id=203 > > > > I wanted to ask you if there is any conflict of interest according > > to Gaudiya Vaishnavism to wear Rudraksha and Tulasi at the same time? > > > > I am asking because some Rudraksha beads give more material > > blessings while Srimate Tulasi wants to give pure devotion to > > Krishna. > > > > I have all Nepali Rudraksha beads up to 14 mukhi in genuine > > collector size offered to Aghora Face of Lord Pashupatinath in Nepal. > > > > But I discovered I have problems wearing Tulasi and Rudraksha at the > > same time, it feels like there is a energetic conflict of interest. > > I wonder if it because the rasa is different? > > > > The reason why I started wearing Rudraksha beads was to appeal to > > Lord Shiva to improve my material circumstances. Maybe this is not > > possible when trying to become a devotee of Lord Krishna? > > > > Do you wear Tulasi and Rusraksha at the same time? > > > > I tried to discuss more in detail about this at the Open Rudraksha > > , but unfortunately the discussion eventually turned into > > an attack on Gaudiya Vaishnavism. > > > > But if you read these two postings below, you would get the details > > of what I was trying to convey: > > > > /message/1176 > > /message/1194 > > > > I would really appreciate your comments. I have long been searching > > for a Vaishnava with experience in this field. > > > > Thank you for any help, > > > > Ys, Ole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Dear Aadi, Namaskar!!! I have seen that Vishnu & Shankar, such as with Lord Shastadeva, are same reality and only appear different like milk and yogurt. If we have to choose which is best, it's a matter of personal taste and objectives. There is a problem created by Maya, especially in Kali Yuga, where different devotees of Gurus, Gods, etc., cannot feel respect for each other. Like a question was raised about a vaishnava using Rudraksha... this very question is aparadha...and the only cure for such offense is to WEAR RUDRAKSHA... Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "aadi291" <aadi291> wrote: > but richardsir, i agree with you on this vishnu thought. > but i was surprised to find that some people feel that tulsi would > grant them renunciation! yes, tulsi signifies pure devotion, but > lord vishnu is the giver or all material comforts. > i agree with the roopa puja. the seeker gets the benefits of the > form he worships..tirupathi balaji and shree nathji of rajasthan are > known to bestow tremendous wordly riches. other vishnu forms may not > do as much. they will give as their roopa symbolises. narasimhavatar > for eg. > yes, brahmagyan gives vairagyam. this is something which bhagwan > shankar's bhakti might give.. though He in the form a vishuddha > pardeshwar shivling or a high-powered rudraksh bead may give you all > that is needed in a material world. > but as the shastras and saints say, one should not differentiate > between hari and har. in harihar, there is no dwait or dualism. > the lord takes avatar in a particular yug to take care of the > problems in that particular era. that does not mean that bhagwan > vishnu is great and bhagwan shiv is not or some such thing. > parbrahma is the ultimate element. > in india, i was surprised to hear some acclaimed experts of vastu or > other things saying that rudraksh will not give you much money. the > whole language is wrong. > as phadkeji says, true devotee wont ask for anything from the lord. > i would say, he would worship tulsi, rudraksha, valampuri shaligram > with the true devotion of a bhakti. these things are certain to give > their benefits but why worry about it? > > -- In sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" > <rsbj66> wrote: > > Dear Ole, > > > > In short, there is not a conflict of interest if one walks the > straight and middle > > path. If you want to be a tyagi Vaishnava, full of misery, then > just offend Lord > > Shiva by ignoring His blessings. Lord Shiva is the GREATEST > Vaishnava, as > > well as being one of the Trimurti, and He is said to be God as > yougurt is milk. > > > > Many people are afraid to become Vaishnavas because they fear > material > > ruination. This is not the case. Vishnu is not ones ill-wisher. > God has better > > things to do than cause his devotees to be in poverty. In fact, > His consort is the > > Goddess of Fortune Herself. > > > > Lord Hari doesn't even recriprocate unless He is approached > (asked). Just as > > ghee is in the cow's body but there is no benefit to the cow; it > is by milking the > > cow, creating ghee, and feeding the gree to the cow that it > derives benefit. In > > the same way God is in everyone, but He normally doesn't act > unless > > requested to do so (prayer). > > > > I wear a Tulasi neck mala complete with a 14 mukhi Rudraksha. And > there is > > no conflict. Tulasi is fine and Rudraksha is fine. FINE+FINE=FINE. > > > > Lord Krishna taught Yukta Vairagya, or balanced life, not poverty. > We must be > > self sufficent and not be a burden. And for material and spiritual > blessings > > Rudraksha is the most recommended talisman in the Shastras. It is > the > > ultimate Hindu talisman, and is available to all, rich and poor. > > > > My suggestion is that you wear only ONE Rudraksha bead of your > choice for > > good luck. And Lord Shiva is happy to grant well-being to those > who respect > > and take advantage of His greatness. I think you are wearing too > many > > Rudraksha. If you want a Rudraksha that is best for Hari Bhakti > then use a > > single Dos (10) Mukhi. If you want relief from problems then wear > a 14 mukhi. > > > > You only need ONE good Nepali Rudraksha to compliment your Tulasi. > Be > > sure to use Nepali Rudraksha for maximum benefit. > > > > Om Shreem!!! > > > > Y/s, Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup> > wrote: > > > Dear Richard, > > > > > > Pranams Dandavats > > > > > > I read a very interesting piece you wrote at the RSBC group > which was > > > also published at > > > > > > http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/articledt.php?art_id=203 > > > > > > I wanted to ask you if there is any conflict of interest > according > > > to Gaudiya Vaishnavism to wear Rudraksha and Tulasi at the same > time? > > > > > > I am asking because some Rudraksha beads give more material > > > blessings while Srimate Tulasi wants to give pure devotion to > > > Krishna. > > > > > > I have all Nepali Rudraksha beads up to 14 mukhi in genuine > > > collector size offered to Aghora Face of Lord Pashupatinath in > Nepal. > > > > > > But I discovered I have problems wearing Tulasi and Rudraksha at > the > > > same time, it feels like there is a energetic conflict of > interest. > > > I wonder if it because the rasa is different? > > > > > > The reason why I started wearing Rudraksha beads was to appeal to > > > Lord Shiva to improve my material circumstances. Maybe this is > not > > > possible when trying to become a devotee of Lord Krishna? > > > > > > Do you wear Tulasi and Rusraksha at the same time? > > > > > > I tried to discuss more in detail about this at the Open > Rudraksha > > > , but unfortunately the discussion eventually turned > into > > > an attack on Gaudiya Vaishnavism. > > > > > > But if you read these two postings below, you would get the > details > > > of what I was trying to convey: > > > > > > /message/1176 > > > /message/1194 > > > > > > I would really appreciate your comments. I have long been > searching > > > for a Vaishnava with experience in this field. > > > > > > Thank you for any help, > > > > > > Ys, Ole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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