bhakti, bhukti and mukti-

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dear phadkesir, this is in response to your views on open rudraksh

forum. i thought of posting it here also so our group members can

also read this.

yes, yet again, i am touched by your views on bhakti. i have always

felt the same way--salvation or moksha as the saints attained was

merely through chanting and quietly suffering whatever came their

way.

for instance, a saint won't run after a 14 mukhi rudraksh if he

comes under sadhe sati of shree shanidev but a modern man would, if

he can afford. if not, he will try blue sapphire, if that does not

suit, he will try the saturn herb, he will also stand outside a

shani temple to offer oil and flowers to the god, but he is most

likely toforget doing all this once he is out of the transit.

but i have found that when one worships god or his gurudev with

nishkam bhakti, the lord gives you all the mystic things which can

take care of your most material things. so the rudraksh will come to

you, valampuri and shaligram will, at different points of time.

but one must not forget that it is the supreme element or para tatva

which has blessed you with all this.

i also desire an affordable valampuri and a shaligram shila but that

is not for some material purpose....i just want to experience

divinity further....

with my utmost regards to you sir,

aadi

 

 

 

, "alstrup" <alstrup>

wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> I appreciate your letter and I agree.

>

> I have written Richard Shaw Brown and asked for his further input.

>

> Did you receive my email reply?

>

> >

> > I am of the opinion that for a causeless bhakti and 'Karma-Misra-

> Bhakti', no gems, rudraksha and talisma are required. Most of

the

> people (though not all) run after gems, rudraksha, and talisma

for

> material benefits and to solve their financial and family

> problems. It is believed that to achieve salvation or mukti only

> chanting of the name of the God is sufficiet. However, in this

> material world, God is also used as one of the ladder to achieve

> material comforts. Most of the people worship God, either to

> achieve something, or just out of fear. Messengers of the God or

> saints come under a totally different catagory far away from the

> material world. There are very few people (a common man, I mean

to

> say) other than saints worship God out of pure love for Him.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Phadke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown"

<rsbj66> wrote:

> Dear Ole,

>

> In short, there is not a conflict of interest if one walks the

straight and middle

> path. If you want to be a tyagi Vaishnava, full of misery, then

just offend Lord

> Shiva by ignoring His blessings. Lord Shiva is the GREATEST

Vaishnava, as

> well as being one of the Trimurti, and He is said to be God as

yougurt is milk.

>

> Many people are afraid to become Vaishnavas because they fear

material

> ruination. This is not the case. Vishnu is not ones ill-wisher.

God has better

> things to do than cause his devotees to be in poverty. In fact,

His consort is the

> Goddess of Fortune Herself.

>

> Lord Hari doesn't even recriprocate unless He is approached

(asked). Just as

> ghee is in the cow's body but there is no benefit to the cow; it

is by milking the

> cow, creating ghee, and feeding the gree to the cow that it

derives benefit. In

> the same way God is in everyone, but He normally doesn't act

unless

> requested to do so (prayer).

>

> I wear a Tulasi neck mala complete with a 14 mukhi Rudraksha. And

there is

> no conflict. Tulasi is fine and Rudraksha is fine. FINE+FINE=FINE.

>

> Lord Krishna taught Yukta Vairagya, or balanced life, not poverty.

We must be

> self sufficent and not be a burden. And for material and spiritual

blessings

> Rudraksha is the most recommended talisman in the Shastras. It is

the

> ultimate Hindu talisman, and is available to all, rich and poor.

>

> My suggestion is that you wear only ONE Rudraksha bead of your

choice for

> good luck. And Lord Shiva is happy to grant well-being to those

who respect

> and take advantage of His greatness. I think you are wearing too

many

> Rudraksha. If you want a Rudraksha that is best for Hari Bhakti

then use a

> single Dos (10) Mukhi. If you want relief from problems then wear

a 14 mukhi.

>

> You only need ONE good Nepali Rudraksha to compliment your Tulasi.

Be

> sure to use Nepali Rudraksha for maximum benefit.

>

> Om Shreem!!!

>

> Y/s, Richard

>

>

> sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup>

wrote:

> > Dear Richard,

> >

> > Pranams Dandavats

> >

> > I read a very interesting piece you wrote at the RSBC group

which was

> > also published at

> >

> > http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/articledt.php?art_id=203

> >

> > I wanted to ask you if there is any conflict of interest

according

> > to Gaudiya Vaishnavism to wear Rudraksha and Tulasi at the same

time?

> >

> > I am asking because some Rudraksha beads give more material

> > blessings while Srimate Tulasi wants to give pure devotion to

> > Krishna.

> >

> > I have all Nepali Rudraksha beads up to 14 mukhi in genuine

> > collector size offered to Aghora Face of Lord Pashupatinath in

Nepal.

> >

> > But I discovered I have problems wearing Tulasi and Rudraksha at

the

> > same time, it feels like there is a energetic conflict of

interest.

> > I wonder if it because the rasa is different?

> >

> > The reason why I started wearing Rudraksha beads was to appeal to

> > Lord Shiva to improve my material circumstances. Maybe this is

not

> > possible when trying to become a devotee of Lord Krishna?

> >

> > Do you wear Tulasi and Rusraksha at the same time?

> >

> > I tried to discuss more in detail about this at the Open

Rudraksha

> > , but unfortunately the discussion eventually turned

into

> > an attack on Gaudiya Vaishnavism.

> >

> > But if you read these two postings below, you would get the

details

> > of what I was trying to convey:

> >

> > /message/1176

> > /message/1194

> >

> > I would really appreciate your comments. I have long been

searching

> > for a Vaishnava with experience in this field.

> >

> > Thank you for any help,

> >

> > Ys, Ole