Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 sir, i am really impressed by shri phadke's knowledge. we must thank ourselves that we have found a person who is so knowledgeable and willing to provide it without a trace of selfish interest or ahankar. i am sure our group will go on to become a genuine forum for sharing true knowledge and wisdom esp when we have shree richardsir as the moderator. shree richardsir has himself done sadhana and is a true spiritualist. only a request sir: please be careful about vouching for traders or websites before you recommend them. as a moderator you will have to take that responsibility. shree phadkeji has rightly quoted the price of an indonesian 14 mukhi and nepali one also. the nepali 14 mukhi does not cost 500 usd or rs 22000. it can be fetched for about 11000 to 15000 inr. i have seen these prices. the price is this much. the 'value' may be unimaginable!! but the moment you say it is good for even a lakh of rupees, one of us might as well pay up that kind of money to some website out to sell these holy beads to ignorant seekers. i sincerely wish people like you and phadkeji come forward to start a website to provide these genuine things at moderate prices. except for brahma karma or karm kaand done by a brahmin one is not supposed to make money through religion. but traders are out to exploit the holy things and charge four times the price. i wish good people like you can make things within the reach of the comman man. with warmest regards aadi sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> wrote: > Sri Chandrashekharji, > > Namaste!!! Thanks for that info. The Rudraksha expert mentioned X- ray > to distinguish real Eka-mukhi Gol-dhana from reworked Five Mukhi. That > would seem pretty obvious. It was only my (wrong) assumption that the > x-ray test could be used for ALL Rudraksha. Now we are learing that is > not the case. The point of this group is, 1) obtain correct knowledge > and 2) provide availability or real sacred objects. Your backgroud is a > great help. Thanks you, W/r, Richard > > > Respected Shri. Richard ji, > > > > It is true that one can check Rudraksha without cutting the bead by > > modern scientific methods. However, X-Ray method can also be > > sometimes though not always confusing. I have done certain studies > > on this aspect being a hardcore botanist. I have observed that > > sometimes few of the locules in the bead are poorly developed and > > without any seeds. In such cases these locules appear to be in a > > poorly developed slit form if observed by cutting. Rarely, such > > poorly developed slit is also not there but only a marking of a > > poorly developed cellular tissue in the region. In simple > > radiographic observations, such so called poorly developed locules > > or supposed to be structures go unnoticed though the beads show clear > > authentic characters externally. > > > > I have also made some interesting observations that in few of the > > variants of rudraksha beads, (though not always) higher mukhi beads > > are Gauri shankar inside. In such cases in some of the variants, > > interestingly two partners of such beads share at least two locules > > with seeds inside commonly with a well developed common wall of > > locules containing seeds. In a simple example, if you take 12 mukhi > > bead, in such variants all locules containing seeds are not in the > > peripheral region (as expected in a normal case of studies), but two > > locules are on the common wall of fusion. Such two locules are > > shared by both the beads. Total no. of locules seen in such cases > > are only 10. Two are shared by both the partners. In the field of > > developmental botany this phenomenon is known as 'Carpellary Fusion'. > > > > > > It may please be kindly noted that I am not criticizing anybody's > > observations (which is a general rule with few exceptions in some > > morphological variants). I am just sharing my own observations and > > experience in the field. > > > > I am also trying to develop a protocol to study interior of beads by > > the most modern method of NMR i.e. by Nuclear Magnetic Resonance. > > > > Thanking you and with personal regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> wrote: > > Dear Mohan, > > > > Welcome!!! Good question. According one bona fide Rudraksha expert > > the Rudraksha can > > be tested without damage by using X-ray technology. This has ben > > mastered by Srimati > > Neetaji of Rudra Center in Mumbai. Her email is "Rudra Centre Ms. > > Neeta" > > <rudracentreindia> > > > > If you are in doubt please contact her. If in India you can send her > > for verification. If > > necessary ou can also aquire genuine Chaturdasha Mukhi Rudraksha from > > her as well. Yes > > the going price for genuine Nepali 14 Mukhi is about $500 although in > > some cases it can > > be had for cheaper. That depends on our luck. > > > > Even if we pay one lakh of Rs. for a Chaturdasha Mukhi still that is > > not too much if you > > place value on removal of worry and problems. 14 Mukhi is the > > Ultimate Hindu Talisman. > > If you have a bogus 14 mukhi then it has NO good effect, but if you > > have real one it will > > have strong GOOD effects---this is also a way fot you to test it... > > > > Om svastyastu!!! > > > > sacred-objects, "Mohan Kumar HG" > > <mohan88hg@i...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Sir, > > > > > > I am new mwmber Recently I brought a 14 mukhi rudraksha for just > > 3500, > > > I am scared whether is is fake because many people say it costs > > around > > > 21000. > > > > > > how to testify it. > > > > > > what are the effects of 14 mukhi > > > > > > with regards > > > mohan > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" > > > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > Private note from a member: > > > > > > > > One mukhi round is 99.9% fake. After examining their internal > > > structure , > > > > these beads are always 5 mukhis . > > > > > > > > I would suggest you do not endorse one mukhi rounds , as again > > people > > > > get carried away with their description and end up buying fake > > beads as > > > > this round one mukhi is more a myth . It is better to invest in > > 14 > > > mukhi or > > > > higher mukhis which are genuine and found also > > > > > > > > BUYER BEWARE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Yellow sapphire Blue sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Dear Aadi, Namaskar!!! Yes, that was the hope for this group. To attract knowledge and sort out the real from the bogus. Chandrashekarji is a great source of wisdom and we are fortunate. Prices for the items I just give general international prices as shown on a large number of websites. Of course anything cheaper is most welcome. And in India itself all these items can be cheaper, as you quote. But cheaper doesn't mean better. You get what you pay for. But to get the genuine article at the most affordable price is always the goal. As for supplying, I am an agent of Rudra Center. And we set the individual top quality seeds into our precious jewelry designs. Our company never supplies "loose" Rudraksha or gems and we don't supply malas. But Ms. Neeta of Rudra Centre has all these items available from Mumbai. I think this group should also provide contact information for genuine suppliers, as well as take complaints against alledged wrong doers... such as the bogus Rudrakshas, and selling the Whelk as an Indian Shank. Sri Chandrashekarji is already a bona fide expert Lakshmi Shank supplier. So we are both doing the work of distributing these sacred items. Best rgds, Richard --- aadi291 <aadi291 wrote: > sir, i am really impressed by shri phadke's knowledge. we must thank > ourselves that we have found a person who is so knowledgeable and > willing to provide it without a trace of selfish interest or ahankar. > i am sure our group will go on to become a genuine forum for sharing > true knowledge and wisdom esp when we have shree richardsir as the > moderator. shree richardsir has himself done sadhana and is a true > spiritualist. > only a request sir: please be careful about vouching for traders or > websites before you recommend them. as a moderator you will have to > take that responsibility. shree phadkeji has rightly quoted the > price of an indonesian 14 mukhi and nepali one also. > the nepali 14 mukhi does not cost 500 usd or rs 22000. it can be > fetched for about 11000 to 15000 inr. i have seen these prices. > the price is this much. the 'value' may be unimaginable!! > but the moment you say it is good for even a lakh of rupees, one of > us might as well pay up that kind of money to some website out to > sell these holy beads to ignorant seekers. > i sincerely wish people like you and phadkeji come forward to start > a website to provide these genuine things at moderate prices. > except for brahma karma or karm kaand done by a brahmin one is not > supposed to make money through religion. > but traders are out to exploit the holy things and charge four times > the price. i wish good people like you can make things within the > reach of the comman man. > with warmest regards > aadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown > <rsbj66> wrote: > > Sri Chandrashekharji, > > > > Namaste!!! Thanks for that info. The Rudraksha expert mentioned X- > ray > > to distinguish real Eka-mukhi Gol-dhana from reworked Five Mukhi. > That > > would seem pretty obvious. It was only my (wrong) assumption that > the > > x-ray test could be used for ALL Rudraksha. Now we are learing > that is > > not the case. The point of this group is, 1) obtain correct > knowledge > > and 2) provide availability or real sacred objects. Your backgroud > is a > > great help. Thanks you, W/r, Richard > > > > > Respected Shri. Richard ji, > > > > > > It is true that one can check Rudraksha without cutting the bead > by > > > modern scientific methods. However, X-Ray method can also be > > > sometimes though not always confusing. I have done certain > studies > > > on this aspect being a hardcore botanist. I have observed that > > > sometimes few of the locules in the bead are poorly developed and > > > without any seeds. In such cases these locules appear to be in a > > > poorly developed slit form if observed by cutting. Rarely, such > > > poorly developed slit is also not there but only a marking of a > > > poorly developed cellular tissue in the region. In simple > > > radiographic observations, such so called poorly developed > locules > > > or supposed to be structures go unnoticed though the beads show > clear > > > authentic characters externally. > > > > > > I have also made some interesting observations that in few of > the > > > variants of rudraksha beads, (though not always) higher mukhi > beads > > > are Gauri shankar inside. In such cases in some of the variants, > > > interestingly two partners of such beads share at least two > locules > > > with seeds inside commonly with a well developed common wall of > > > locules containing seeds. In a simple example, if you take 12 > mukhi > > > bead, in such variants all locules containing seeds are not in > the > > > peripheral region (as expected in a normal case of studies), but > two > > > locules are on the common wall of fusion. Such two locules are > > > shared by both the beads. Total no. of locules seen in such > cases > > > are only 10. Two are shared by both the partners. In the > field of > > > developmental botany this phenomenon is known as 'Carpellary > Fusion'. > > > > > > > > > It may please be kindly noted that I am not criticizing anybody's > > > observations (which is a general rule with few exceptions in some > > > morphological variants). I am just sharing my own observations > and > > > experience in the field. > > > > > > I am also trying to develop a protocol to study interior of > beads by > > > the most modern method of NMR i.e. by Nuclear Magnetic > Resonance. > > > > > > Thanking you and with personal regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> wrote: > > > Dear Mohan, > > > > > > Welcome!!! Good question. According one bona fide Rudraksha > expert > > > the Rudraksha can > > > be tested without damage by using X-ray technology. This has ben > > > mastered by Srimati > > > Neetaji of Rudra Center in Mumbai. Her email is "Rudra Centre Ms. > > > Neeta" > > > <rudracentreindia> > > > > > > If you are in doubt please contact her. If in India you can send > her > > > for verification. If > > > necessary ou can also aquire genuine Chaturdasha Mukhi Rudraksha > from > > > her as well. Yes > > > the going price for genuine Nepali 14 Mukhi is about $500 > although in > > > some cases it can > > > be had for cheaper. That depends on our luck. > > > > > > Even if we pay one lakh of Rs. for a Chaturdasha Mukhi still > that is > > > not too much if you > > > place value on removal of worry and problems. 14 Mukhi is the > > > Ultimate Hindu Talisman. > > > If you have a bogus 14 mukhi then it has NO good effect, but if > you > > > have real one it will > > > have strong GOOD effects---this is also a way fot you to test > it... > > > > > > Om svastyastu!!! > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Mohan Kumar HG" > > > <mohan88hg@i...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Sir, > > > > > > > > I am new mwmber Recently I brought a 14 mukhi rudraksha for > just > > > 3500, > > > > I am scared whether is is fake because many people say it costs > > > around > > > > 21000. > > > > > > > > how to testify it. > > > > > > > > what are the effects of 14 mukhi > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > mohan > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" > > > > <rsbj66> wrote: > > > > > Private note from a member: > > > > > > > > > > One mukhi round is 99.9% fake. After examining their > internal > > > > structure , > > > > > these beads are always 5 mukhis . > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest you do not endorse one mukhi rounds , as > again > > > people > > > > > get carried away with their description and end up buying > fake > > > beads as > > > > > this round one mukhi is more a myth . It is better to > invest in > > > 14 > > > > mukhi or > > > > > higher mukhis which are genuine and found also > > > > > > > > > > BUYER BEWARE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9;s eye Yellow sapphire Blue sapphires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web. > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. 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