Karma 3

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actions to each person according to his Karma. That means that he is the

manifest Brahman. The real Brahman is unmanifest and without motion. It is only

the manifest Brahman that is named as Iswara. He gives the fruit to each person

according to his actions (Karma). That means that Iswara is only an agent and

that he gives wages according to the labour done. That is all. Without this

Sakti (power) of Iswara, this Karma would not take place. That is why Karma is

said to be on its own, inert. Questioner: The present experiences are the

result of past Karma. If we know the mistakes committed before, we can rectify

them. Sri Ramana Maharshi: If one mistake is rectified there yet remains the

whole Sanchita Karma from former births which is going to give you innumerable

births. So that is not the procedure. The more you prune a plant, the more

vigorously it grows. The more you rectify your Karma, the more it accumulates.

Find the root of Karma and cut it off. Question: Does the Karma theory mean

that the world is

the result of action and reaction? If so, action and reaction of what? Sri

Ramana Maharshi: Until realisation there will be Karma, that is action and

reaction. After realisation there will be no Karma and no world. Sivaya Namah

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Self realization will not happen instantly, or by

meditation and or chanting lords name in one life, it

takes a lot of effort and lots of good karma, each

soul however good or bad it is has to take lives to

learn, we take birth to learn and if we do bad things

we will have to learn more to become good, ultimate

realization is love and compassion, that is when we

get closer to Divine kingdom.

 

Can anyone explain "Find the root of Karma and cut it

off", it is nothing but maya. This is how the so

called gurus and spiritual experts have control on

people.

 

Om namah shivaya,

Divakar.

 

 

--- Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk

wrote:

 

> Om Namah Sivaya

>

> Question: In ‘Upadesa Saram', you say that Karma

> bears fruit

> by the ordinance of God (Karta). Does this mean

> that we reap the consequences of Karma solely

> because God wills it?

>

> Sri Ramana Maharshi: In this verse Karta (God)

> means Iswara. He is the one who distributes the

> fruits of actions to each person according to his

> Karma. That means that he is the manifest Brahman.

> The real Brahman is unmanifest and without motion.

> It is only the manifest Brahman that is named as

> Iswara. He gives the fruit to each person according

> to his actions (Karma). That means that Iswara is

> only an agent and that he gives wages according to

> the labour done. That is all. Without this Sakti

> (power) of Iswara, this Karma would not take place.

> That is why Karma is said to be on its own, inert.

>

> Questioner: The present experiences are the result

> of past Karma. If we know the mistakes committed

> before, we can rectify them.

>

> Sri Ramana Maharshi: If one mistake is rectified

> there yet remains the whole Sanchita Karma from

> former births which is going to give you innumerable

> births. So that is not the procedure. The more you

> prune a plant, the more vigorously it grows. The

> more you rectify your Karma, the more it

> accumulates. Find the root of Karma and cut it off.

>

> Question: Does the Karma theory mean that the

> world is the result of action and reaction? If so,

> action and reaction of what?

>

> Sri Ramana Maharshi: Until realisation there will

> be Karma, that is action and reaction. After

> realisation there will be no Karma and no world.

>

>

>

> Sivaya Namah

>

>

>

>

>

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Namaste Divakar,

 

"Find the root of Karma and cut it off, for it is nothing but Maya."

 

The root of all Karma is desire ~ so by ridding one's of all external

desires, any Karma or external action is necessarily "nipped in the

bud".

 

How does this have any bearing on Gurus supposedly "exerting control on

people"?

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> "Find the root of Karma and cut it off, for it is nothing but

Maya."

>

> The root of all Karma is desire ~ so by ridding one's of all

external

> desires, any Karma or external action is necessarily "nipped in

the

> bud".

 

Om Namah Shivaya

Namaste, The Bhagavad Gita perspective on this is different. The

root of Karma is in karta bhava or sense of doership. I consider

myself to be made up of flesh and bones with a mind and intellect.

That is the root of karma. The absolute truth is that the "I" sense

in me or anybody else is due to pure, undefiled, infinite

consciousness or sat-chit-ananda. Atman is never a doer and when one

understands this or realizes this, his sense of doership is gone.

All his sanchit and agami karma are destroyed and he knows that it

is prakriti that is acting and not atman.

 

regards,

Om Namah Shivaya

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Yes that is true, but it takes a lot effort to

overcome desire, for that a soul has to understand

what is good and follow a good and virtuous life and

slowly he will progress in spirituality.

 

we just cannot one fine day decide that we will be

devoid of any desire, it takes a lot of lives for a

soul to pass on learning before it goes to higher

level. A soul has to learn and move to different

levels before it reaches salvation. Sometimes even

noble and higher souls take birth just to learn learn.

 

Every soul want to avoid that, it wants to jump from

L.K.G to P.hd, they are afraid of more lives on earth,

more suffering, but the truth is there is a big path

to go, but our so called great Gurus dont tell people

of the simple truth, they will always talk about the

L.K.G to P.hd jump, which is not possible.

 

Om namah shivaya,

Divakar.

 

--- Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote:

 

> Namaste Divakar,

>

> "Find the root of Karma and cut it off, for it is

> nothing but Maya."

>

> The root of all Karma is desire ~ so by ridding

> one's of all external

> desires, any Karma or external action is necessarily

> "nipped in the

> bud".

>

> How does this have any bearing on Gurus supposedly

> "exerting control on

> people"?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yes, in simple terms if a person overcomes his ego

automatically the divine within will raise, he will

become godly. This is when the soul progresses.

 

The first and only step in this direction is

understanding good and viruous living.

 

Om namah shivaya,

Divakar.

 

--- mahadevadvaita <mahadevadvaita wrote:

 

> > "Find the root of Karma and cut it off, for it is

> nothing but

> Maya."

> >

> > The root of all Karma is desire ~ so by ridding

> one's of all

> external

> > desires, any Karma or external action is

> necessarily "nipped in

> the

> > bud".

>

> Om Namah Shivaya

> Namaste, The Bhagavad Gita perspective on this is

> different. The

> root of Karma is in karta bhava or sense of

> doership. I consider

> myself to be made up of flesh and bones with a mind

> and intellect.

> That is the root of karma. The absolute truth is

> that the "I" sense

> in me or anybody else is due to pure, undefiled,

> infinite

> consciousness or sat-chit-ananda. Atman is never a

> doer and when one

> understands this or realizes this, his sense of

> doership is gone.

> All his sanchit and agami karma are destroyed and he

> knows that it

> is prakriti that is acting and not atman.

>

> regards,

> Om Namah Shivaya

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Mahadevadvaita,

 

The original statement was: "Find the root of Karma and cut it off,

for it is nothing but Maya."

 

And I responded: "The root of all Karma is desire ~ so by ridding

one's self of all external desires, any Karma or external action is

necessarily nipped in the bud."

 

Your comment ~ "I consider myself to be made up of flesh and bones

with a mind and intellect; and that is the root of Karma" ~ clarifies

the nature of Maya (or Avidya) as the root of Karma.

 

And, quite rightly, you state that "the root of karma is in karta

bhAva".

 

karta (from kRt) is "separation or distinction", or "a hole or

cavity".

 

kRt means "to cut, cut in pieces, cut off, divide, tear asunder, or

destroy".

 

kRtA is "an abyss".

 

kRtta means "cut, cut off, or divided".

 

And so, kartabhAva is the sense of separation, distinction, or

division ~ and kartabhAva is the sense of emptiness or vacuity, and

the nature of abyss ~ i.e. kartabhAva is a veritable bottomless pit,

and the greatest pitfall on the spiritual path ~ and kartabhAva is

the very root of destruction.

 

The perspective of the Gita is that the root of Karma is in

Kartabhava or the sense of duality (i.e. Dvaita), and it is this

imagined duality (i.e. Maya) that must be cut off at the root.

 

And the ultimate remedy for Dvaita is surely Advaita.

 

The "sense of doership" would be kartRta or kartRtva bhAva; and

kartva bhAva is the "sense of obligation or duty" ~ i.e. the sense

of "to be done", and thus the compulsion or "desire" for action.

 

kartA indicates "the creator of the world" or "the agent of an

action".

 

And so, kartA bhAva would be the "sense of creation" or "sense of

being the agent of an action" ~ i.e. the sense of "doership".

 

To cut off the kartAbhAva is to abandon all sense of creation or

production, and this is pure Ajativada.

 

kartAbhAva may be read as kartA-bhAva (as above), or as karta- abhAva

(as below).

 

abhava or abhAva is "non-existence or destruction", "non-entity or

negation", or "annihilation or death".

 

And so, kartAbhAva may also indicate the opposites of Creation and

Destruction, or Birth and Death.

 

And by cutting the endless loop (or noose) of duality and mortality

one attains perfect unity and immortality.

 

So that Ajativada and Advaita are again recommended for Liberation or

Salvation.