Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Namaste to ALL~ I received an invitation to this group and so I would like to thank the person that invited me. You are most kind. My name is Naomi... I live in the states with my family. I am very happy to be here and to learn and to share with all of you. My spiritual beliefs are very universal and I am very fond of Vedanta and follow this lovely path blissfully. ) I read a little bit of the recent posts about Sai Baba and I am so sorry to hear of the conflicting beliefs and opinions. There really is no need to argue about God... God is Love. Lord Shiva is Love. Lord Ganesha is Love. Goddess Durga is Love. The Buddha is Love. Jesus is Love. That's what it is all about....Love. Cannot Lord Shiva take any form that He so desires??? God is beyond our comprehension and understanding and is therefore limitless and ultimately formless, as well. If God comes to a person in the form of a dog to teach that person unconditional love...so be it. That is sacred and precious. God comes to us all in many different forms and at many different times....who is to say which form is more worthy or more meaningful? None of us can say....ALL is God. God is Love....Love is God. What greater truth is there to embrace? Love one another and respect one another...ALL paths of a loving nature lead to God and all paths are unique and precious to God. Reflect God's Love into this war weary world. ~OM Namah Shivaya~ Naomi www.NectarofLove.freeservers.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Arial"> My spiritual beliefs are very universal Cannot Lord Shiva take any form that He so desires??? The True and Right Spiritual Belief can be Universal not all beliefs God is beyond our comprehension and understanding 0in 0in 4.0pt">If He is so, we will not be discussing about Him. BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">and is therefore limitless and ultimately formless, as well. BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">He is limited in certain attributes so that our Intellect can understand as well. He cannot be formless, any formless object cannot be seen in any form and at the same time formless object cannot be named. Antiqua'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"> If God comes to a person in the form of a dog to teach that person unconditional love...so be it. That is sacred and precious. medium none; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> Is it because God is merciful, we take Him for granted and tell that He comes in the form of Dog. Can we say this to our Father at home or any respected person of this World. Do we dare to call our Boss(human being) in the office, a Dog?Is Dog sacred and precious – in which Temple Dog is being worshipped? mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">God comes to us all in many different forms and at many different times....who is to say which form is more worthy or more meaningful? 0.5in 0pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">God need not have to do miracles like coming in different forms and different times. But He can influence the thinking of people and make them act according to His way of thinking. God comes to this World only at the end of Kaliyug when there is total degradation of religiousness. If He is coming before, people will not recognize Him or will not listen to His Knowledge - Teachings BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> ....ALL is God. ALL paths of a loving nature lead to God and all paths are unique and precious to God. All cannot be God. There are so many impurities in this world. We cannot call the impurities as God. All paths of Love can be Unique but not precious to God since there are Love for vices verymuch rooted in the mind of human souls. Other than the Knowledge given by GodShiv Himself at the end of Kaliyug, all other has got the value only like a pich of salt in a bagfull of flour.Why because if they really contained truths, then there cannot be vices and irreligion exist in the world. To know the real Truths pls. Visit http://www.bkwsu.org mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> ~OM Namah Shivaya~ Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hey, thanks so much for the warm welcome...really, you're too kind. My beliefs are mine...and to each their own respectfully. Your arrogance and pride are clearly obvious from the comments you wrote and the tone that you used. It is as if you are saying that you have all the answers and that everybody else in the world is wrong in their beliefs---and in fact, I think you did just that by including the Brahma Kumaris website with the comment, "To know the real Truth please visit." Any person or organization that claims to know the WHOLE truth...I feel is very dangerous. You are simply stating your opinions, just as I did, and nothing more. The truth is...nobody has all of the answers about God...not you and certainly not I. We have only opinions and I did not join this group to argue about religion or spirituality ...there is no need for that. Clearly, this is not the type of group I am seeking so with that I sincerely wish you all the very best. Naomi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 well done girl. What 'BK' had written was completely and utterly unnecessary. Having seen this mail alias write all sorts of propaganda of Brahma Kumaris sect' both here and in other forums, I think it is not one person writing but a group of individuals with perverted views of trying to 'push' their agendas wherever possible. I believe that the moderator/s of this group has/have been very lenient in letting people write what they feel and frankly I am not against freedom of expression, but there comes a time when as civilised individuals we ought to step in and say that maybe some people need to tone down the zealous pursuit of their understanding of whole theosophy of religion. by the way you are very welcome to this discussion forum and believe me or not most individuals on this group tend to share their experiences in a more positive light than rubbishing other people's beliefs. I am sorry that you got the kind of 'warm' welcome that you did not deserve. Kind regards Anand [] On Behalf Of O'Connor08 March 2006 11:17Subject: Re: My intro~ Hey, thanks so much for the warm welcome...really, you're too kind. My beliefs are mine...and to each their own respectfully. Your arrogance and pride are clearly obvious from the comments you wrote and the tone that you used. It is as if you are saying that you have all the answers and that everybody else in the world is wrong in their beliefs---and in fact, I think you did just that by including the Brahma Kumaris website with the comment, "To know the real Truth please visit." Any person or organization that claims to know the WHOLE truth...I feel is very dangerous. You are simply stating your opinions, just as I did, and nothing more. The truth is...nobody has all of the answers about God...not you and certainly not I. We have only opinions and I did not join this group to argue about religion or spirituality ...there is no need for that. Clearly, this is not the type of group I am seeking so with that I sincerely wish you all the very best. Naomi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 answers about God...not you and certainly not I. We have only opinions and I did not join this group to argue about religion or spirituality ...there is no need for that. Clearly, this is not the type of group I am seeking so with that I sincerely wish you all the very best. Naomi Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 feel sad. Instead, I will be always ever happy, contented with my original nature. The words i used in my reply in reality are not my words at all. They are the words of Supreme Soul. It is said in Scriptures that when irreligion exists , God will descend on Earth and when it is, nobody knows. But in reality, that Same God , who is a point of light, soul has come on Earth and revealed His identity and He has revealed and revealing everything(Past, Present and Future), about Him and the wrong notion that prevailing on Earth about Him. When we souls, point of lights, can come on earth to play our roles, why it is not possible for the Supreme soul to come on Earth, Once He comes, He reveals the World Cycle, the Truths about the past and Future etc.,, And there are lots and lots I want to share with you and everyone, but I am short of time..If you are able to contact Brahma kumari Centre, I think there is no local centre near your place but you can contact Sonah nagassar, whose relative is a BK to know real Truth about God. I am not talking about God of Brahma Kumari, I am talking about God of Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Jains,.....and Your's and mine. With Divine and Spiritual Love * O'Connor <5luckyshamrocks (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Hey, thanks so much for the warm welcome...really, you're too kind. My beliefs are mine...and to each their own respectfully. Your arrogance and pride are clearly obvious from the comments you wrote and the tone that you used. It is as if you are saying that you have all the answers and that everybody else in the world is wrong in their beliefs---and in fact, I think you did just that by including the Brahma Kumaris website with the comment, "To know the real Truth please visit." Any person or organization that claims to know the WHOLE truth...I feel is very dangerous. You are simply stating your opinions, just as I did, and nothing more. The truth is...nobody has all of the answers about God...not you and certainly not I. We have only opinions and I did not join this group to argue about religion or spirituality ...there is no need for that. Clearly, this is not the type of group I am seeking so with that I sincerely wish you all the very best. Naomi Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 two,it is our belief and true for us.For Brahm Kumaris,Ram which was worshiped by Lord Shiva is different from the Ram which was born to Maharani Kaushalya.For us it can never be two.As such ,we can never agree to each other. So please do not try to feed us your beliefs forcefuly.But Dear Naomi has written,in my opinion, is very correct.So it is better if we stop this debate right now. With regards.B K <bkgswu > wrote: Dear Divine soul, Om Shanti. Thanking you for giving an opportunity, making me an instrument to reveal the Truth about God. You might have received lots and lots of Blessings from God for being an instrument to carry out His work. If you are hurt by the comments given by me, really I am very sorry for that, hope it will not happen again. It is like this if we know that we are a soul with original nature of Purity, Knowledge, Peace, Love, Happiness, Bliss and Powers, no situation and no email replies can hurt us because we see things as something not attached to us. Now we get hurt because we see our soul and happenings around as one not separate.We get attached to the situations. If we are in the conscious of soul or in other words if we are detached from the situations, nobody in this world can hurt us or make me feel sad. Instead, I will be always ever happy, contented with my original nature. The words i used in my reply in reality are not my words at all. They are the words of Supreme Soul. It is said in Scriptures that when irreligion exists , God will descend on Earth and when it is, nobody knows. But in reality, that Same God , who is a point of light, soul has come on Earth and revealed His identity and He has revealed and revealing everything(Past, Present and Future), about Him and the wrong notion that prevailing on Earth about Him. When we souls, point of lights, can come on earth to play our roles, why it is not possible for the Supreme soul to come on Earth, Once He comes, He reveals the World Cycle, the Truths about the past and Future etc.,, And there are lots and lots I want to share with you and everyone, but I am short of time..If you are able to contact Brahma kumari Centre, I think there is no local centre near your place but you can contact Sonah nagassar, whose relative is a BK to know real Truth about God. I am not talking about God of Brahma Kumari, I am talking about God of Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Jains,.....and Your's and mine. With Divine and Spiritual Love * O'Connor <5luckyshamrocks (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Hey, thanks so much for the warm welcome...really, you're too kind. My beliefs are mine...and to each their own respectfully. Your arrogance and pride are clearly obvious from the comments you wrote and the tone that you used. It is as if you are saying that you have all the answers and that everybody else in the world is wrong in their beliefs---and in fact, I think you did just that by including the Brahma Kumaris website with the comment, "To know the real Truth please visit." Any person or organization that claims to know the WHOLE truth...I feel is very dangerous. You are simply stating your opinions, just as I did, and nothing more. The truth is...nobody has all of the answers about God...not you and certainly not I. We have only opinions and I did not join this group to argue about religion or spirituality ...there is no need for that. Clearly, this is not the type of group I am seeking so with that I sincerely wish you all the very best. Naomi MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen Norway. Ph. 0047 - 32756858 Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 beautifully and very aptly conveying the feeling of the group members. We the humble devotees of THE LORD are here sharing what we have and helping eachother,if possible..We believe in moderating our post ourselves. On 3/8/06, Anand <anand_nortel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: well done girl. What 'BK' had written was completely and utterly unnecessary. Having seen this mail alias write all sorts of propaganda of Brahma Kumaris sect' both here and in other forums, I think it is not one person writing but a group of individuals with perverted views of trying to 'push' their agendas wherever possible. I believe that the moderator/s of this group has/have been very lenient in letting people write what they feel and frankly I am not against freedom of expression, but there comes a time when as civilised individuals we ought to step in and say that maybe some people need to tone down the zealous pursuit of their understanding of whole theosophy of religion. by the way you are very welcome to this discussion forum and believe me or not most individuals on this group tend to share their experiences in a more positive light than rubbishing other people's beliefs. I am sorry that you got the kind of 'warm' welcome that you did not deserve. Kind regards Anand [] On Behalf Of O'Connor08 March 2006 11:17Subject: Re: My intro~ Hey, thanks so much for the warm welcome...really, you're too kind. My beliefs are mine...and to each their own respectfully. Your arrogance and pride are clearly obvious from the comments you wrote and the tone that you used. It is as if you are saying that you have all the answers and that everybody else in the world is wrong in their beliefs---and in fact, I think you did just that by including the Brahma Kumaris website with the comment, "To know the real Truth please visit." Any person or organization that claims to know the WHOLE truth...I feel is very dangerous. You are simply stating your opinions, just as I did, and nothing more. The truth is...nobody has all of the answers about God...not you and certainly not I. We have only opinions and I did not join this group to argue about religion or spirituality ...there is no need for that. Clearly, this is not the type of group I am seeking so with that I sincerely wish you all the very best. Naomi Lord shiva Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Dear BK, True Spirituality and Spiritualism is about attachment not detachment. Lord Shiva is a symbol of true passion and love, attachment is required to understand that. In my opinion the things you practice at Brahma kumari is escapism, if you cannot face it escape by detachment, but God is not like that and we should not live like that. we have to live with passion, with complete commiment, which comes from attachment not detachment. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > Dear Divine soul, > > Om Shanti. > > Thanking you for giving an opportunity, making me > an instrument to reveal the Truth about God. You > might have received lots and lots of Blessings from > God for being an instrument to carry out His work. > > If you are hurt by the comments given by me, > really I am very sorry for that, hope it will not > happen again. > > It is like this if we know that we are a soul with > original nature of Purity, Knowledge, Peace, Love, > Happiness, Bliss and Powers, no situation and no > email replies can hurt us because we see things as > something not attached to us. > > Now we get hurt because we see our soul and > happenings around as one not separate.We get > attached to the situations. If we are in the > conscious of soul or in other words if we are > detached from the situations, nobody in this world > can hurt us or make me feel sad. Instead, I will be > always ever happy, contented with my original > nature. > > The words i used in my reply in reality are not my > words at all. They are the words of Supreme Soul. > > It is said in Scriptures that when irreligion > exists , God will descend on Earth and when it is, > nobody knows. But in reality, that Same God , who is > a point of light, soul has come on Earth and > revealed His identity and He has revealed and > revealing everything(Past, Present and Future), > about Him and the wrong notion that prevailing on > Earth about Him. > > When we souls, point of lights, can come on earth > to play our roles, why it is not possible for the > Supreme soul to come on Earth, Once He comes, He > reveals the World Cycle, the Truths about the past > and Future etc.,, > > And there are lots and lots I want to share with > you and everyone, but I am short of time..If you are > able to contact Brahma kumari Centre, I think there > is no local centre near your place but you can > contact Sonah nagassar, whose relative is a BK to > know real Truth about God. > > I am not talking about God of Brahma Kumari, I am > talking about God of Hindu, Muslim, Christian, > Buddhist, Jains,.....and Your's and mine. > > With Divine and Spiritual Love > > * > > > > > O'Connor <5luckyshamrocks wrote: > Hey, thanks so much for the warm > welcome...really, you're too kind. > > My beliefs are mine...and to each their own > respectfully. Your arrogance and pride are clearly > obvious from the comments you wrote and the tone > that you used. It is as if you are saying that you > have all the answers and that everybody else in the > world is wrong in their beliefs---and in fact, I > think you did just that by including the Brahma > Kumaris website with the comment, "To know the real > Truth please visit." Any person or organization > that claims to know the WHOLE truth...I feel is very > dangerous. > You are simply stating your opinions, just as I > did, and nothing more. The truth is...nobody has > all of the answers about God...not you and certainly > not I. We have only opinions and I did not join > this group to argue about religion or spirituality > ...there is no need for that. Clearly, this is not > the type of group I am seeking so with that I > sincerely wish you all the very best. > > Naomi > > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Divakar Ji, I really do not know much about Brahma Kumari sect and I have no interest in it. But your reply caught my attention. Lately I have been trying to learn Kundalini yoga and pranayam and al;l the text that I have tried to read about it. And one thing the books all talk about is detachment of maya, maya being the way we have been living like family, wife, children possessions etc. It emphasises that even a family person who is deeply intesrested in activating the kundalini and ultimately merge Siva has to free himself from emotions, exercise niyama and yama. I would not go into much detail since I am a beginner but there a lot of free books online available from sivananda website. I am pasting a quotations from sivananda that I receive daily in email: ******************************************************** The mind always wants to be doing something. When it attaches itself to the objects it cherishes, the mind feels amused and happy. There can be attraction without attachment. You can be attracted to a beautiful rose, but you are not attached to it. Attachment comes after possession and enjoyment. Attachment, love, ananda (bliss), all go together. You are attached to your wife and children and so on. You love them because they give you ananda. As this world is illusory and as, through this illusion, pain appears as pleasure, you must cut asunder all worldly attachments ruthlessly. Direct your love and attachment towards the reality, towards Brahman, towards the substratum which lies at the back of all objects, which is the witness of all activities taking place in the buddhi (intellect). It is difficult to divert the mind which from early childhood has fallen into the pernicious habit of seeking external pleasures and which continues to do so unless yougive it something superior to be amused with. Intellectual pleasure is far superior to sensual pleasure. So too, ananda (joy from meditation) is far superior to intellectual pleasure. Spiritual bliss gained from self-realisation, is infinite, immeasurable, unbounded. It is anandaghana (a solid mass of bliss). Keep the mind in a state of moderation. The mind likes always to run to extremes. It runs either to extreme joy or extreme depression. Extremes meet and bring about a reaction. In excessive joy the mind cannot be calmed. Hence let the mind always be calm and cheerful. Ghee (clarified butter) has two states - solid and liquid. So it is with the mind. In the waking state it is solid and in the deep sleep state it is liquid. In the solid state it is limited and gross. This is why it has finite experiences. In the liquid state it is limitless and so the jiva (soul) experiences the homogeneous and limitless bliss. In the deep sleep state there is no ego, no desire, hence it experiences the limitless bliss of the atman. ************************************************************* , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > Dear BK, > > True Spirituality and Spiritualism is about attachment > not detachment. Lord Shiva is a symbol of true passion > and love, attachment is required to understand that. > > In my opinion the things you practice at Brahma kumari > is escapism, if you cannot face it escape by > detachment, but God is not like that and we should not > live like that. we have to live with passion, with > complete commiment, which comes from attachment not > detachment. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > > > Dear Divine soul, > > > > Om Shanti. > > > > Thanking you for giving an opportunity, making me > > an instrument to reveal the Truth about God. You > > might have received lots and lots of Blessings from > > God for being an instrument to carry out His work. > > > > If you are hurt by the comments given by me, > > really I am very sorry for that, hope it will not > > happen again. > > > > It is like this if we know that we are a soul with > > original nature of Purity, Knowledge, Peace, Love, > > Happiness, Bliss and Powers, no situation and no > > email replies can hurt us because we see things as > > something not attached to us. > > > > Now we get hurt because we see our soul and > > happenings around as one not separate.We get > > attached to the situations. If we are in the > > conscious of soul or in other words if we are > > detached from the situations, nobody in this world > > can hurt us or make me feel sad. Instead, I will be > > always ever happy, contented with my original > > nature. > > > > The words i used in my reply in reality are not my > > words at all. They are the words of Supreme Soul. > > > > It is said in Scriptures that when irreligion > > exists , God will descend on Earth and when it is, > > nobody knows. But in reality, that Same God , who is > > a point of light, soul has come on Earth and > > revealed His identity and He has revealed and > > revealing everything(Past, Present and Future), > > about Him and the wrong notion that prevailing on > > Earth about Him. > > > > When we souls, point of lights, can come on earth > > to play our roles, why it is not possible for the > > Supreme soul to come on Earth, Once He comes, He > > reveals the World Cycle, the Truths about the past > > and Future etc.,, > > > > And there are lots and lots I want to share with > > you and everyone, but I am short of time..If you are > > able to contact Brahma kumari Centre, I think there > > is no local centre near your place but you can > > contact Sonah nagassar, whose relative is a BK to > > know real Truth about God. > > > > I am not talking about God of Brahma Kumari, I am > > talking about God of Hindu, Muslim, Christian, > > Buddhist, Jains,.....and Your's and mine. > > > > With Divine and Spiritual Love > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > O'Connor <5luckyshamrocks wrote: > > Hey, thanks so much for the warm > > welcome...really, you're too kind. > > > > My beliefs are mine...and to each their own > > respectfully. Your arrogance and pride are clearly > > obvious from the comments you wrote and the tone > > that you used. It is as if you are saying that you > > have all the answers and that everybody else in the > > world is wrong in their beliefs---and in fact, I > > think you did just that by including the Brahma > > Kumaris website with the comment, "To know the real > > Truth please visit." Any person or organization > > that claims to know the WHOLE truth...I feel is very > > dangerous. > > You are simply stating your opinions, just as I > > did, and nothing more. The truth is...nobody has > > all of the answers about God...not you and certainly > > not I. We have only opinions and I did not join > > this group to argue about religion or spirituality > > ...there is no need for that. Clearly, this is not > > the type of group I am seeking so with that I > > sincerely wish you all the very best. > > > > Naomi > > > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > > breeze. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 face it escape bydetachment, but God is not like that and we should notlive like that. we have to live with passion, withcomplete commiment, which comes from attachment notdetachment.Om namah shivaya,Divakar. Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 When we have true bhakti which is true love towards lord shiva and compassion towards his creation then we get automatically get detached from all the vices. if we are forcefully trying to get rid of our vices and try to become pure then there is something lacking in our bhakti. Because when we have true bhakti we will awaken the divine within, so our thinking and actions will be divine, our consciousness will be at its peak, try it and let us know. At BK you try to conquer all the vices without bhakti so you get confused and over-confident and live in ignorance, well in one-way that is good, because ignorance is bliss. think with open mind my friend, it works the otherway around. be natural, do the things the right way as god has created. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > Yes. Attachment to God Shiv and Detachment to the > old world like the lotus flower,Detachment to the 5 > vices.....Unless we detach ourselves from 5 vices of > Lust, anger, greed,desire, attachment and ego, we > cannot have true love for God Shiv. > > Is there anyone in this group who knows the method > to be completely free from 5 vices, of course love > for God Shiv, but how many of us are able to have > true love for Him not getting attached to the 5 > vices? > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > Dear BK, > > True Spirituality and Spiritualism is about > attachment > not detachment. Lord Shiva is a symbol of true > passion > and love, attachment is required to understand that. > > > In my opinion the things you practice at Brahma > kumari > is escapism, if you cannot face it escape by > detachment, but God is not like that and we should > not > live like that. we have to live with passion, with > complete commiment, which comes from attachment not > detachment. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Dear Jamnadas ji, What is kundalini?, it is life force, it increases or raises if we realise god or awaken the divine within. Bad desires and bad emotions will weaken the lifeforce not good ones. true love, true bhakti and compassion will raise it. Only people who are mislead will say that marriage, parents, children etc are maya etc. but in contrary lord shiva will like us more if we fulfil our responsibilities as a son/daughter, father/mother and husband/wife correctly. Life is about love and compassion, it is about selfless service and giving. if we consciously and selfishly follow moksha we will not get it, he who is selfless will get it. Lord Shiva wants us to live like him, to live life as it is eternal, Look at lord shiva, be like him, fulfil all the responsibilities like him, isnt Lord Shiva married, dosent he have children, isnt he worried about all of us. Lord shiva is inherently present in us, we dont have to do anything to merge with him, only thing we have to do is do good things, think good and act like him. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- b_jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > Divakar Ji, > > I really do not know much about Brahma Kumari sect > and I have no > interest in it. But your reply caught my attention. > Lately I have > been trying to learn Kundalini yoga and pranayam and > al;l the text > that I have tried to read about it. And one thing > the books all talk > about is detachment of maya, maya being the way we > have been living > like family, wife, children possessions etc. It > emphasises that even > a family person who is deeply intesrested in > activating the > kundalini and ultimately merge Siva has to free > himself from > emotions, exercise niyama and yama. I would not go > into much detail > since I am a beginner but there a lot of free books > online available > from sivananda website. I am pasting a quotations > from sivananda > that I receive daily in email: > > > ******************************************************** > The mind always wants to be doing something. When it > attaches itself > to the objects it cherishes, the mind feels amused > and happy. There > can be attraction without attachment. You can be > attracted to a > beautiful rose, but you are not attached to it. > Attachment comes > after possession and enjoyment. > > Attachment, love, ananda (bliss), all go together. > You are attached > to your wife and children and so on. You love them > because they give > you ananda. As this world is illusory and as, > through this illusion, > pain appears as pleasure, you must cut asunder all > worldly > attachments ruthlessly. Direct your love and > attachment towards the > reality, towards Brahman, towards the substratum > which lies at the > back of all objects, which is the witness of all > activities taking > place in the buddhi (intellect). > > It is difficult to divert the mind which from early > childhood has > fallen into the pernicious habit of seeking external > pleasures and > which continues to do so unless yougive it something > superior to be > amused with. Intellectual pleasure is far superior > to sensual > pleasure. So too, ananda (joy from meditation) is > far superior to > intellectual pleasure. Spiritual bliss gained from > self-realisation, > is infinite, immeasurable, unbounded. It is > anandaghana (a solid > mass of bliss). > > Keep the mind in a state of moderation. The mind > likes always to run > to extremes. It runs either to extreme joy or > extreme depression. > Extremes meet and bring about a reaction. In > excessive joy the mind > cannot be calmed. Hence let the mind always be calm > and cheerful. > > Ghee (clarified butter) has two states - solid and > liquid. So it is > with the mind. In the waking state it is solid and > in the deep sleep > state it is liquid. In the solid state it is limited > and gross. This > is why it has finite experiences. In the liquid > state it is > limitless and so the jiva (soul) experiences the > homogeneous and > limitless bliss. In the deep sleep state there is no > ego, no desire, > hence it experiences the limitless bliss of the > atman. > ************************************************************* > > , > Divakara Tanjore > <div_tan wrote: > > > > Dear BK, > > > > True Spirituality and Spiritualism is about > attachment > > not detachment. Lord Shiva is a symbol of true > passion > > and love, attachment is required to understand > that. > > > > In my opinion the things you practice at Brahma > kumari > > is escapism, if you cannot face it escape by > > detachment, but God is not like that and we should > not > > live like that. we have to live with passion, with > > complete commiment, which comes from attachment > not > > detachment. > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > > > > > Dear Divine soul, > > > > > > Om Shanti. > > > > > > Thanking you for giving an opportunity, making > me > > > an instrument to reveal the Truth about God. You > > > might have received lots and lots of Blessings > from > > > God for being an instrument to carry out His > work. > > > > > > If you are hurt by the comments given by me, > > > really I am very sorry for that, hope it will > not > > > happen again. > > > > > > It is like this if we know that we are a soul > with > > > original nature of Purity, Knowledge, Peace, > Love, > > > Happiness, Bliss and Powers, no situation and no > > > email replies can hurt us because we see things > as > > > something not attached to us. > > > > > > Now we get hurt because we see our soul and > > > happenings around as one not separate.We get > > > attached to the situations. If we are in the > > > conscious of soul or in other words if we are > > > detached from the situations, nobody in this > world > > > can hurt us or make me feel sad. Instead, I will > be > > > always ever happy, contented with my original > > > nature. > > > > > > The words i used in my reply in reality are > not my > > > words at all. They are the words of Supreme > Soul. > > > > > > It is said in Scriptures that when irreligion > > > exists , God will descend on Earth and when it > is, > > > nobody knows. But in reality, that Same God , > who is > > > a point of light, soul has come on Earth and > > > revealed His identity and He has revealed and > > > revealing everything(Past, Present and Future), > > > about Him and the wrong notion that prevailing > on > > > Earth about Him. > > > > > > When we souls, point of lights, can come on > earth > > > to play our roles, why it is not possible for > the > > > Supreme soul to come on Earth, Once He comes, He > > > reveals the World Cycle, the Truths about the > past > > > and Future etc.,, > > > > > > And there are lots and lots I want to share > with > > > you and everyone, but I am short of time..If you > are > > > able to contact Brahma kumari Centre, I think > there > > > is no local centre near your place but you can > > > contact Sonah nagassar, whose relative is a BK > to > > > know real Truth about God. > > > > > > I am not talking about God of Brahma Kumari, I > am > > > talking about God of Hindu, Muslim, Christian, > > > Buddhist, Jains,.....and Your's and mine. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Attachment to God Shiv and Detachment to the> old world like the lotus flower,Detachment to the 5> vices.....Unless we detach ourselves from 5 vices of> Lust, anger, greed,desire, attachment and ego, we> cannot have true love for God Shiv.> > Is there anyone in this group who knows the method> to be completely free from 5 vices, of course love> for God Shiv, but how many of us are able to have> true love for Him not getting attached to the 5> vices?> > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> Dear BK,> > True Spirituality and Spiritualism is about> attachment> not detachment. Lord Shiva is a symbol of true> passion> and love, attachment is required to understand that.> > > In my opinion the things you practice at Brahma> kumari> is escapism, if you cannot face it escape by> detachment, but God is not like that and we should> not> live like that. we have to live with passion, with> complete commiment, which comes from attachment not> detachment.> > Om namah shivaya,> Divakar. Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 A person who lives a virteoues life, who is good at heart and compassionate do not even have to remember god or chant mantras, because God lives in him, such a person will have subtle wisdom and knowledge to know what is good and what is bad, like a lotus in mud he can stay in the middle of bad and evil but still not do or think bad. Lord Ganesh showed us the way, when Kumaraswamy went to circle the earth, Ganesh realized a small pradakshana around his parents is more than circling the earth. we humans with tonnes of ego cannot recognze the god who is simple and real, we always look for complicated and confused path that is devoid of love and compassion. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > Yes. It is true by means of Bhakti, we get rid of > vices, I have experienced too. Still Knowledge is > the Fruit of Bhakti. > > By being a devotee of Shiv, by means of Bhakti, we > become Knowledgeful to become equal to Him - Like > Father like Son - Son shows Father. > > Without True Love for God Shiv, no one in the > world can overcome the vices.And if we are still in > the clutches of vices, it is an identification that > we do not have True Love for God Shiv. > > The right understanding of vices too depend upon > individuals. > > Natural - depends upon individuals. > > For a pious person, pious deeds are natural. > > For an evil mind, evil thinking and evil acts are > natural. > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > When we have true bhakti which is true love > towards > lord shiva and compassion towards his creation then > we > get automatically get detached from all the vices. > if > we are forcefully trying to get rid of our vices and > try to become pure then there is something lacking > in > our bhakti. > > Because when we have true bhakti we will awaken the > divine within, so our thinking and actions will be > divine, our consciousness will be at its peak, try > it > and let us know. > > At BK you try to conquer all the vices without > bhakti > so you get confused and over-confident and live in > ignorance, well in one-way that is good, because > ignorance is bliss. > > think with open mind my friend, it works the > otherway > around. be natural, do the things the right way as > god > has created. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > > --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > > > Yes. Attachment to God Shiv and Detachment to the > > old world like the lotus flower,Detachment to the > 5 > > vices.....Unless we detach ourselves from 5 vices > of > > Lust, anger, greed,desire, attachment and ego, we > > cannot have true love for God Shiv. > > > > Is there anyone in this group who knows the > method > > to be completely free from 5 vices, of course > love > > for God Shiv, but how many of us are able to have > > true love for Him not getting attached to the 5 > > vices? > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > Dear BK, > > > > True Spirituality and Spiritualism is about > > attachment > > not detachment. Lord Shiva is a symbol of true > > passion > > and love, attachment is required to understand > that. > > > > > > In my opinion the things you practice at Brahma > > kumari > > is escapism, if you cannot face it escape by > > detachment, but God is not like that and we should > > not > > live like that. we have to live with passion, with > > complete commiment, which comes from attachment > not > > detachment. > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Namaste Divakar, You say that "only people who are mislead will say that marriage, parents, children etc are Maya". However, since the entire manifest universe is generally considered as Maya or a production of Maya, it is not unreasonable that marriage, parents, children, etc., are also regarded in the same light! And only those Hindus who are misled (or misleading) will claim otherwise. Only Sannyasins are urged to completely sever ALL ties with marriage and family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Nothing is maya, everything is real, all our relationships and our existance is real, we as souls come to this earth to learn and pass on, There is a meaning to the whole purpose of Gods creation and life. When we assume that life is maya, then life becomes easy, we dont have to take responsibility or accountable for the things we do, Hinduism never tells life is maya, some misled gurus and people do for selfish reasons. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote: > Namaste Divakar, > > You say that "only people who are mislead will say > that marriage, > parents, children etc are Maya". However, since the > entire manifest > universe is generally considered as Maya or a > production of Maya, it is > not unreasonable that marriage, parents, children, > etc., are also > regarded in the same light! And only those Hindus > who are misled (or > misleading) will claim otherwise. > > Only Sannyasins are urged to completely sever ALL > ties with marriage > and family. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 forselfish reasons.Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga > wrote:> Namaste Divakar,> > You say that "only people who are mislead will say> that marriage, > parents, children etc are Maya". However, since the> entire manifest > universe is generally considered as Maya or a> production of Maya, it is > not unreasonable that marriage, parents, children,> etc., are also > regarded in the same light! And only those Hindus> who are misled (or > misleading) will claim otherwise.> > Only Sannyasins are urged to completely sever ALL> ties with marriage > and family.> > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Relax. Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I agree anything that is a diversion from truth is maya. I will not agree that parents and family are maya. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- brijesh bagga <brij731 wrote: > obviously that all is maya which attracts you > towards that it is not that misled people advice > anyone just think when you leave or quit your goals > and get attracted and then the desires come to > obtain that thing its all maya. As rajneesh was on > the right path in 60 and early 70;s but when he saw > big bunch of top people got attracted and he left > his original goal this is all maya. > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: Nothing > is maya, everything is real, all our > relationships and our existance is real, we as souls > come to this earth to learn and pass on, There is a > meaning to the whole purpose of Gods creation and > life. > > When we assume that life is maya, then life becomes > easy, we dont have to take responsibility or > accountable for the things we do, Hinduism never > tells > life is maya, some misled gurus and people do for > selfish reasons. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote: > > > Namaste Divakar, > > > > You say that "only people who are mislead will say > > that marriage, > > parents, children etc are Maya". However, since > the > > entire manifest > > universe is generally considered as Maya or a > > production of Maya, it is > > not unreasonable that marriage, parents, children, > > etc., are also > > regarded in the same light! And only those Hindus > > who are misled (or > > misleading) will claim otherwise. > > > > Only Sannyasins are urged to completely sever ALL > > ties with marriage > > and family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > web. > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > Relax. Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 attracts you towards that it is not that misled people advice anyone just think when you leave or quit your goals and get attracted and then the desires come to obtain that thing its all maya. As rajneesh was on the right path in 60 and early 70;s but when he saw big bunch of top people got attracted and he left his original goal this is all maya.Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: Nothing is maya, everything is real, all ourrelationships and our existance is real, we as soulscome to this earth to learn and pass on, There is ameaning to the whole purpose of Gods creation andlife. When we assume that life is maya, then life becomeseasy, we dont have to take responsibility oraccountable for the things we do, Hinduism never tellslife is maya, some misled gurus and people do forselfish reasons.Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga > wrote:> Namaste Divakar,> > You say that "only people who are mislead will say> that marriage, > parents, children etc are Maya". However, since the> entire manifest > universe is generally considered as Maya or a> production of Maya, it is > not unreasonable that marriage, parents, children,> etc., are also > regarded in the same light! And only those Hindus> who are misled (or > misleading) will claim otherwise.> > Only Sannyasins are urged to completely sever ALL> ties with marriage > and family.> > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Relax. Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen Norway. Ph. 0047 - 32756858 Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Ram, We die ( physical body) because our time for learning is over on earth, we as souls have to return to wherever we came from (maybe heaven). Soul never dies it is truth, where is maya in it. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- Ram Lubhaya Vashisth <rlvashisth wrote: > Dear Friend, > When all the things are real then > why :- > our physical body donot remain for ever and > we die against our will. > our parents and other loving ones are > separated from us. > we had to sow crops and plant trees again > and again. > sarashwati,the Holy river vanished. > Tihri, a beautiful town,drowened. > whyyyyyyyy.................. > > > > brijesh bagga <brij731 wrote: > obviously that all is maya which attracts you > towards that it is not that misled people advice > anyone just think when you leave or quit your goals > and get attracted and then the desires come to > obtain that thing its all maya. As rajneesh was on > the right path in 60 and early 70;s but when he saw > big bunch of top people got attracted and he left > his original goal this is all maya. > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > Nothing is maya, everything is real, all our > relationships and our existance is real, we as souls > come to this earth to learn and pass on, There is a > meaning to the whole purpose of Gods creation and > life. > > When we assume that life is maya, then life becomes > easy, we dont have to take responsibility or > accountable for the things we do, Hinduism never > tells > life is maya, some misled gurus and people do for > selfish reasons. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote: > > > Namaste Divakar, > > > > You say that "only people who are mislead will say > > that marriage, > > parents, children etc are Maya". However, since > the > > entire manifest > > universe is generally considered as Maya or a > > production of Maya, it is > > not unreasonable that marriage, parents, children, > > etc., are also > > regarded in the same light! And only those Hindus > > who are misled (or > > misleading) will claim otherwise. > > > > Only Sannyasins are urged to completely sever ALL > > ties with marriage > > and family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > Relax. Mail virus scanning helps detect > nasty viruses! > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > web. > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen > Norway. > Ph. 0047 - 32756858 > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Divakar Ji, There are various paths to god, lets just agree to that. The point is that in our lives, we go thru so many different experiences, we try to acquire happiness this way and that way and it simply makes our lives more and more complicated. If we were to spend this effort in god realisation such as sadhana and mediation, our lives would me much simpler and we would be more contented. Look at a child, first all it needs is nurturing, then it needs toys otherwise it is not going to be satisfied.Then the parents send this child for education so that he/she can get a nice job, good money, good wife/husband, car house etc. The child goes thru some expereince at school. Some don't find it easy at all, for some it is ok and some simply do not go to the scholl fopr the intended purpose. Some have problems with school bullies and some have problems simply coping with the studies. At thne end, not anyone is happy at schooll and looking towards the day they don't have to go to school again. Now out of school, either succesfully or not, they have to get a job, after all, what else to do becuase they need money to surive and save face in the society. So they get a job. Some are happy with their job and some are not and ultimately no body is happy with their pay. Then they want to get married and with a married life, they need a better job that better fulfills the financial requirements. But with a better paying job, this means less time with the family and more time at work(this may not be the case with you but it happens in a lot of houses.) Than the couple need child and with a child, more family expenses. So now either the husband works more shifts or the wife gets a job. So the couples hardly meet now. Here in canada, just to have family expenses going, there are houses where couple go to work and they never see each others face until then weekend. What sort of reality is this Divarkrji? Was establishing such relationships in quest for happiness really did provide happiness? The kids that these couple are working so hard for will one day go away and start his/her own family. Do you think that buy giving birth to a child, the child owes the parents something? Couples have a child becuase they want it. What fault of the child that he has this life and will go thru all the pain and suffereings as per the karma. In mahabharata, Ganga drowns all the children she has with Shaantano just so that the child doesn't have to go thru the suffering. Would you call Ganga to have neglected on her duty to provide to the child, or would she be the compassionate one who could not bear to the pain the her child will go thru and so decided to end the pain right at birth? The thing is Divakarji, we create these relationships and then we justify it as necessary and then we make it our duty to nurture them. Of course, if you have a wife, then you have to take care of her. The same goes with children and the parents. We go thru so much effort in try to acquire happiness but in each step, we go thru pain. Everything the we acquire will go away, wife, children, house and cars usually do not last more then 10 years anyways. All the effort is ultimately in vain. In Siva Purana, Brahma is making efforts to create a class of being who are always going to be living in pain due to their karmas and will be required to continuously propitiate the gods. He tried to force his sons to procreate but they wouldn't. Then when in extreme anger, Rudra imerged from Brahma. Brahma made the same request to Rudra, i.e. to help him create such beings. Rudra replied that he, in this form of preceptor cannot create beings that are always going to live in fear and agony. He warned Brahma the he was making a mistake. We are that mistake. The are various paths to god Divakar Ji. If there is someone preaching something that is not conventional, I do not see it wrong if they discuss it in this forum. Sincerely, Bhupendra. , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > Dear Jamnadas ji, > > What is kundalini?, it is life force, it increases or > raises if we realise god or awaken the divine within. > Bad desires and bad emotions will weaken the lifeforce > not good ones. true love, true bhakti and compassion > will raise it. > > Only people who are mislead will say that marriage, > parents, children etc are maya etc. but in contrary > lord shiva will like us more if we fulfil our > responsibilities as a son/daughter, father/mother and > husband/wife correctly. Life is about love and > compassion, it is about selfless service and giving. > > if we consciously and selfishly follow moksha we will > not get it, he who is selfless will get it. > > Lord Shiva wants us to live like him, to live life as > it is eternal, Look at lord shiva, be like him, fulfil > all the responsibilities like him, isnt Lord Shiva > married, dosent he have children, isnt he worried > about all of us. > > Lord shiva is inherently present in us, we dont have > to do anything to merge with him, only thing we have > to do is do good things, think good and act like him. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > > > Divakar Ji, > > > > I really do not know much about Brahma Kumari sect > > and I have no > > interest in it. But your reply caught my attention. > > Lately I have > > been trying to learn Kundalini yoga and pranayam and > > al;l the text > > that I have tried to read about it. And one thing > > the books all talk > > about is detachment of maya, maya being the way we > > have been living > > like family, wife, children possessions etc. It > > emphasises that even > > a family person who is deeply intesrested in > > activating the > > kundalini and ultimately merge Siva has to free > > himself from > > emotions, exercise niyama and yama. I would not go > > into much detail > > since I am a beginner but there a lot of free books > > online available > > from sivananda website. I am pasting a quotations > > from sivananda > > that I receive daily in email: > > > > > > > ******************************************************** > > The mind always wants to be doing something. When it > > attaches itself > > to the objects it cherishes, the mind feels amused > > and happy. There > > can be attraction without attachment. You can be > > attracted to a > > beautiful rose, but you are not attached to it. > > Attachment comes > > after possession and enjoyment. > > > > Attachment, love, ananda (bliss), all go together. > > You are attached > > to your wife and children and so on. You love them > > because they give > > you ananda. As this world is illusory and as, > > through this illusion, > > pain appears as pleasure, you must cut asunder all > > worldly > > attachments ruthlessly. Direct your love and > > attachment towards the > > reality, towards Brahman, towards the substratum > > which lies at the > > back of all objects, which is the witness of all > > activities taking > > place in the buddhi (intellect). > > > > It is difficult to divert the mind which from early > > childhood has > > fallen into the pernicious habit of seeking external > > pleasures and > > which continues to do so unless yougive it something > > superior to be > > amused with. Intellectual pleasure is far superior > > to sensual > > pleasure. So too, ananda (joy from meditation) is > > far superior to > > intellectual pleasure. Spiritual bliss gained from > > self-realisation, > > is infinite, immeasurable, unbounded. It is > > anandaghana (a solid > > mass of bliss). > > > > Keep the mind in a state of moderation. The mind > > likes always to run > > to extremes. It runs either to extreme joy or > > extreme depression. > > Extremes meet and bring about a reaction. In > > excessive joy the mind > > cannot be calmed. Hence let the mind always be calm > > and cheerful. > > > > Ghee (clarified butter) has two states - solid and > > liquid. So it is > > with the mind. In the waking state it is solid and > > in the deep sleep > > state it is liquid. In the solid state it is limited > > and gross. This > > is why it has finite experiences. In the liquid > > state it is > > limitless and so the jiva (soul) experiences the > > homogeneous and > > limitless bliss. In the deep sleep state there is no > > ego, no desire, > > hence it experiences the limitless bliss of the > > atman. > > > ************************************************************* > > > > , > > Divakara Tanjore > > <div_tan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear BK, > > > > > > True Spirituality and Spiritualism is about > > attachment > > > not detachment. Lord Shiva is a symbol of true > > passion > > > and love, attachment is required to understand > > that. > > > > > > In my opinion the things you practice at Brahma > > kumari > > > is escapism, if you cannot face it escape by > > > detachment, but God is not like that and we should > > not > > > live like that. we have to live with passion, with > > > complete commiment, which comes from attachment > > not > > > detachment. > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- B K <bkgswu@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Divine soul, > > > > > > > > Om Shanti. > > > > > > > > Thanking you for giving an opportunity, making > > me > > > > an instrument to reveal the Truth about God. You > > > > might have received lots and lots of Blessings > > from > > > > God for being an instrument to carry out His > > work. > > > > > > > > If you are hurt by the comments given by me, > > > > really I am very sorry for that, hope it will > > not > > > > happen again. > > > > > > > > It is like this if we know that we are a soul > > with > > > > original nature of Purity, Knowledge, Peace, > > Love, > > > > Happiness, Bliss and Powers, no situation and no > > > > email replies can hurt us because we see things > > as > > > > something not attached to us. > > > > > > > > Now we get hurt because we see our soul and > > > > happenings around as one not separate.We get > > > > attached to the situations. If we are in the > > > > conscious of soul or in other words if we are > > > > detached from the situations, nobody in this > > world > > > > can hurt us or make me feel sad. Instead, I will > > be > > > > always ever happy, contented with my original > > > > nature. > > > > > > > > The words i used in my reply in reality are > > not my > > > > words at all. They are the words of Supreme > > Soul. > > > > > > > > It is said in Scriptures that when irreligion > > > > exists , God will descend on Earth and when it > > is, > > > > nobody knows. But in reality, that Same God , > > who is > > > > a point of light, soul has come on Earth and > > > > revealed His identity and He has revealed and > > > > revealing everything(Past, Present and Future), > > > > about Him and the wrong notion that prevailing > > on > > > > Earth about Him. > > > > > > > > When we souls, point of lights, can come on > > earth > > > > to play our roles, why it is not possible for > > the > > > > Supreme soul to come on Earth, Once He comes, He > > > > reveals the World Cycle, the Truths about the > > past > > > > and Future etc.,, > > > > > > > > And there are lots and lots I want to share > > with > > > > you and everyone, but I am short of time..If you > > are > > > > able to contact Brahma kumari Centre, I think > > there > > > > is no local centre near your place but you can > > > > contact Sonah nagassar, whose relative is a BK > > to > > > > know real Truth about God. > > > > > > > > I am not talking about God of Brahma Kumari, I > > am > > > > talking about God of Hindu, Muslim, Christian, > > > > Buddhist, Jains,.....and Your's and mine. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Ram, if you read the book "Many Masters and Many lives" written by Dr.Weiss, you will understand the reason for our birth/deaths, each soul has a purpose when it comes to earth, whether it lives 100 years or 1 day or a few minutes, each soul accomplishes in learning or imparting learning to others. we are all spirit, this is absolute truth, there is no maya in it. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > Dear Ram, > > We die ( physical body) because our time for > learning > is over on earth, we as souls have to return to > wherever we came from (maybe heaven). Soul never > dies > it is truth, where is maya in it. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- Ram Lubhaya Vashisth <rlvashisth > wrote: > > > Dear Friend, > > When all the things are real then > > why :- > > our physical body donot remain for ever > and > > we die against our will. > > our parents and other loving ones are > > separated from us. > > we had to sow crops and plant trees again > > and again. > > sarashwati,the Holy river vanished. > > Tihri, a beautiful town,drowened. > > whyyyyyyyy.................. > > > > > > > > brijesh bagga <brij731 wrote: > > obviously that all is maya which attracts you > > towards that it is not that misled people advice > > anyone just think when you leave or quit your > goals > > and get attracted and then the desires come to > > obtain that thing its all maya. As rajneesh was on > > the right path in 60 and early 70;s but when he > saw > > big bunch of top people got attracted and he left > > his original goal this is all maya. > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > Nothing is maya, everything is real, all our > > relationships and our existance is real, we as > souls > > come to this earth to learn and pass on, There is > a > > meaning to the whole purpose of Gods creation and > > life. > > > > When we assume that life is maya, then life > becomes > > easy, we dont have to take responsibility or > > accountable for the things we do, Hinduism never > > tells > > life is maya, some misled gurus and people do for > > selfish reasons. > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote: > > > > > Namaste Divakar, > > > > > > You say that "only people who are mislead will > say > > > that marriage, > > > parents, children etc are Maya". However, since > > the > > > entire manifest > > > universe is generally considered as Maya or a > > > production of Maya, it is > > > not unreasonable that marriage, parents, > children, > > > etc., are also > > > regarded in the same light! And only those > Hindus > > > who are misled (or > > > misleading) will claim otherwise. > > > > > > Only Sannyasins are urged to completely sever > ALL > > > ties with marriage > > > and family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relax. Mail virus scanning helps detect > > nasty viruses! > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > the > > web. > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen > > Norway. > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858 > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing > a > > breeze. > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Bhupendra ji, if possible please watch "March of Penguins" movie, this will answer your questions. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- b_jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > Divakar Ji, > > There are various paths to god, lets just agree to > that. The point > is that in our lives, we go thru so many different > experiences, we > try to acquire happiness this way and that way and > it simply makes > our lives more and more complicated. If we were to > spend this effort > in god realisation such as sadhana and mediation, > our lives would me > much simpler and we would be more contented. > > Look at a child, first all it needs is nurturing, > then it needs toys > otherwise it is not going to be satisfied.Then the > parents send this > child for education so that he/she can get a nice > job, good money, > good wife/husband, car house etc. The child goes > thru some > expereince at school. Some don't find it easy at > all, for some it is > ok and some simply do not go to the scholl fopr the > intended > purpose. Some have problems with school bullies and > some have > problems simply coping with the studies. At thne > end, not anyone is > happy at schooll and looking towards the day they > don't have to go > to school again. Now out of school, either > succesfully or not, they > have to get a job, after all, what else to do > becuase they need > money to surive and save face in the society. So > they get a job. > Some are happy with their job and some are not and > ultimately no > body is happy with their pay. Then they want to get > married and with > a married life, they need a better job that better > fulfills the > financial requirements. But with a better paying > job, this means > less time with the family and more time at work(this > may not be the > case with you but it happens in a lot of houses.) > Than the couple > need child and with a child, more family expenses. > So now either the > husband works more shifts or the wife gets a job. So > the couples > hardly meet now. Here in canada, just to have family > expenses going, > there are houses where couple go to work and they > never see each > others face until then weekend. What sort of reality > is this > Divarkrji? Was establishing such relationships in > quest for > happiness really did provide happiness? The kids > that these couple > are working so hard for will one day go away and > start his/her own > family. Do you think that buy giving birth to a > child, the child > owes the parents something? Couples have a child > becuase they want > it. What fault of the child that he has this life > and will go thru > all the pain and suffereings as per the karma. In > mahabharata, Ganga > drowns all the children she has with Shaantano just > so that the > child doesn't have to go thru the suffering. Would > you call Ganga to > have neglected on her duty to provide to the child, > or would she be > the compassionate one who could not bear to the pain > the her child > will go thru and so decided to end the pain right at > birth? > > The thing is Divakarji, we create these > relationships and then we > justify it as necessary and then we make it our duty > to nurture > them. Of course, if you have a wife, then you have > to take care of > her. The same goes with children and the parents. We > go thru so much > effort in try to acquire happiness but in each step, > we go thru > pain. Everything the we acquire will go away, wife, > children, house > and cars usually do not last more then 10 years > anyways. All the > effort is ultimately in vain. > > In Siva Purana, Brahma is making efforts to create a > class of being > who are always going to be living in pain due to > their karmas and > will be required to continuously propitiate the > gods. He tried to > force his sons to procreate but they wouldn't. Then > when in extreme > anger, Rudra imerged from Brahma. Brahma made the > same request to > Rudra, i.e. to help him create such beings. Rudra > replied that he, > in this form of preceptor cannot create beings that > are always going > to live in fear and agony. He warned Brahma the he > was making a > mistake. We are that mistake. > > The are various paths to god Divakar Ji. If there is > someone > preaching something that is not conventional, I do > not see it wrong > if they discuss it in this forum. > > Sincerely, > Bhupendra. > > , > Divakara Tanjore > <div_tan wrote: > > > > Dear Jamnadas ji, > > > > What is kundalini?, it is life force, it increases > or > > raises if we realise god or awaken the divine > within. > > Bad desires and bad emotions will weaken the > lifeforce > > not good ones. true love, true bhakti and > compassion > > will raise it. > > > > Only people who are mislead will say that > marriage, > > parents, children etc are maya etc. but in > contrary > > lord shiva will like us more if we fulfil our > > responsibilities as a son/daughter, father/mother > and > > husband/wife correctly. Life is about love and > > compassion, it is about selfless service and > giving. > > > > if we consciously and selfishly follow moksha we > will > > not get it, he who is selfless will get it. > > > > Lord Shiva wants us to live like him, to live life > as > > it is eternal, Look at lord shiva, be like him, > fulfil > > all the responsibilities like him, isnt Lord Shiva > > married, dosent he have children, isnt he worried > > about all of us. > > > > Lord shiva is inherently present in us, we dont > have > > to do anything to merge with him, only thing we > have > > to do is do good things, think good and act like > him. > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > > > > > Divakar Ji, > > > > > > I really do not know much about Brahma Kumari > sect > > > and I have no > > > interest in it. But your reply caught my > attention. > > > Lately I have > > > been trying to learn Kundalini yoga and pranayam > and > > > al;l the text > > > that I have tried to read about it. And one > thing > > > the books all talk > > > about is detachment of maya, maya being the way > we > > > have been living > > > like family, wife, children possessions etc. It > > > emphasises that even > > > a family person who is deeply intesrested in > > > activating the > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 who son,who father, all are the similar souls,like waves in an ocean. Actually speaking, existing of this world(sansar) without Maya is not possible.For one, who can see things in reality without the influance or interfearance of Maya,there is no world for Him.And when there is no world for Him then there is also no rebirth for him. Such souls which are capable of seeing beyond Maya,we call them Mohamad,Jesus, Budh,Krishna,Rama,Nanak,Kabir and............. With regards Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: Dear Ram,if you read the book "Many Masters and Many lives"written by Dr.Weiss, you will understand the reasonfor our birth/deaths, each soul has a purpose when itcomes to earth, whether it lives 100 years or 1 day ora few minutes, each soul accomplishes in learning orimparting learning to others. we are all spirit, thisis absolute truth, there is no maya in it.Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> Dear Ram,> > We die ( physical body) because our time for> learning> is over on earth, we as souls have to return to> wherever we came from (maybe heaven). Soul never> dies> it is truth, where is maya in it.> > Om namah shivaya,> Divakar.> > --- Ram Lubhaya Vashisth <rlvashisth >> wrote:> > > Dear Friend,> > When all the things are real then> > why :-> > our physical body donot remain for ever> and> > we die against our will.> > our parents and other loving ones are> > separated from us.> > we had to sow crops and plant trees again> > and again.> > sarashwati,the Holy river vanished.> > Tihri, a beautiful town,drowened.> > whyyyyyyyy..................> > > > > > > > brijesh bagga <brij731 > wrote:> > obviously that all is maya which attracts you> > towards that it is not that misled people advice> > anyone just think when you leave or quit your> goals> > and get attracted and then the desires come to> > obtain that thing its all maya. As rajneesh was on> > the right path in 60 and early 70;s but when he> saw> > big bunch of top people got attracted and he left> > his original goal this is all maya.> > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: > > Nothing is maya, everything is real, all our> > relationships and our existance is real, we as> souls> > come to this earth to learn and pass on, There is> a> > meaning to the whole purpose of Gods creation and> > life. > > > > When we assume that life is maya, then life> becomes> > easy, we dont have to take responsibility or> > accountable for the things we do, Hinduism never> > tells> > life is maya, some misled gurus and people do for> > selfish reasons.> > > > Om namah shivaya,> > Divakar.> > > > --- Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga > wrote:> > > > > Namaste Divakar,> > > > > > You say that "only people who are mislead will> say> > > that marriage, > > > parents, children etc are Maya". However, since> > the> > > entire manifest > > > universe is generally considered as Maya or a> > > production of Maya, it is > > > not unreasonable that marriage, parents,> children,> > > etc., are also > > > regarded in the same light! And only those> Hindus> > > who are misled (or > > > misleading) will claim otherwise.> > > > > > Only Sannyasins are urged to completely sever> ALL> > > ties with marriage > > > and family.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relax. Mail virus scanning helps detect> > nasty viruses! > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "" on> the> > web.> > > > To from this group, send an email> > to:> > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen > > Norway. > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858> > > > > > Mail> > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing> a> > breeze. > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> protection around > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen Norway. Ph. 0047 - 32756858 Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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