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many times not one thousand Indian rupee!!!) on a tray and my brother must give

it to the Astrologer and prostrate down and worship his feet so that my brother

will become free from a Bad karma. My brother wasn’t stupid to believe in the

Astrologer’s suggestion. I heard that this Astrologer suggested the same thing

to many others and even heard a foolish man actually obeyed. A genuine

Astrologer would not recommend you to invest heavily in performing rituals to

shape future because by performing rituals you may be able to postpone bad

karmas but you cannot get rid of them but when Grace of Lord Siva descends they

will be written off. It is not wise to worship or performing rituals because God

may punish otherwise, this is definitely not the way to worship Lord Siva

because His nature is PURE LOVE, all He expects is

unconditional love from His immortal children and He is the inner controller who

can fulfil your needs without even you asking for them. Is Lord Siva, the

Supreme Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas (worlds) powerless to save His

ture devotees? Is He relying on a third person to chant mantras to please Him?

Please don’t switch between mantras because they may yield results on you

favour. Please surrender all your worries at the feet of Lord Siva and be happy

with your family. There is a beautiful devotional poem written by a great

Saivite saint which says that the Lord Siva who consumed poison for the sake of

His devotees will always protect His true devotees and Planet gods have no power

to harm.

Roman" size="3"> Even if you totally believe that you son has the bad Prarabdha

Karma, it can be overcome by the grace of the Lord Siva. The Lord’s grace

descends when there is sincere devotion and self-surrender. The Lord’s grace

will descend in proportion to the degree of surrender. The laws of nature do

not operate when there is the grace of the Lord. His grace is all-powerful. We

have the instance of Markandeya who conquered death (attained immortality) by

his sincere devotion the Lord. He was destined to die young, but when the

Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no power to carry out his wish. So it is

possible to overcome Prarabdha by devotion. Story Of Markandeya Markandeya

was a great devotee of Lord Siva. His father Mrikandu performed rigorous

austerities to get a son. Lord Siva appeared before him and said: “O Rishi! Do

you want a good son who will die in his sixteenth year or a bad and foolish son

who will live for a long time?” Mrikandu replied, “O my venerable Lord! Let me

have a good son.” The boy began to know about his fate and began to worship

Lord Siva whole-heartedly with intense faith and devotion. The boy entered into

deep meditation and Samadhi on the day decreed as the day of his death. Hence

Yama himself went to take his life. The boy prayed to Lord Siva for protection

and embraced the Linga. Then Yama threw his noose round the Linga and the boy.

Lord Siva came out of the Linga immediately and killed Yama to protect the boy.

Lord Siva was called Mrityunjaya and Kalakala from that day. Then the Devas

approached Lord Siva and said: “O Adorable Lord! Salutations unto Thee. Pardon

Yama for his mistake, O Ocean of Mercy, bring him back to life.” Then Lord Siva

brought Yama back to life at the request of the gods. He also conferred a boon

on the boy Markandeya, that he should live for ever as a boy of sixteen years

of age. He is a Chiranjivi. In South India, even now men and woman bless a boy

when he does prostration to them: “Live as Chiranjivi Markandeya.”

Through Tapas and meditation you can conquer death, you can achieve anything in

the three worlds. A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up

in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged

out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him

extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in

sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the

Lord’s grace. He voluntarily welcomes these sufferings. May Lord Siva shower

His Grace upon you and you family. Sivaya Namahanil <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in>

wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah Om,Request all learned persons to reflect

on following duvidha..i have a son aged 16 years and someone suggested chanting

MMj for him ( 35k)..Arjun Ji is aware of this..i did it personally but as per

this astrologer, it had not yielded any fruits..while i did the MMJ with full

shradha and devotion..why has

this happened ?second confusion is the biggest one that is..when the destiny for

the Jiva is fixed, how can any karma change the destiny ?karma/destiny/freewill

is all attributed to Jiva - mind and body, and i am doing sadhana to kill my

ego - the illusionary self..in this situation i am perplexed..is it a test for

me ? or for my son ? what should i do ? get the MMJ done by this

astrologer..The authenticity of this astrolger is beyong the

doubt..unquestionable..Let the Divinity advise me through all the learned

members of this group..Shiva sharanamanil

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WHAT AN WONDERFUL POST SELVARATNAMJI.

 

I too feel that astrology should not be used for prediction but to

know the general trend of things. That general trend, if negative, can

definitely be corrected with intelligent karma coupled with devotion

at the feet of the Lord.

 

Your post gave me goosebumps. God bless you Sir.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

, Selvaratnam Selvakumar

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yes"> ------Sri

Ramakrishna If I were you I would direct my time & energy to worship Lord

Siva, serve His devotees and sing His Glory rather than invest it in worrying

about what Sani & Rahu are going to do to my family. I have noticed that people

who have more faith in Astrology often tend to have less faith in God, these

people when fortunate things happen to them they thing because of their own

effort and point their fingers at these poor gods (Sani/Rahu) when unfavourable

things are

happening (they refuse to accept because of their own bad karmas ). Just as

there are fake gurus (at least 90% I would say) there is no shortage of fake

Astrologers. I tell you an example of a fake Astrologer, a few years ago here

in Britain an Astrologer suggested that my eldest brother should perform

certain ritual and also told him that he should put costly cloths, gold and one

thousand British pounds in cash (he emphasized many times not one thousand

Indian rupee!!!) on a tray and my brother must give it to the Astrologer and

prostrate down and worship his feet so that my brother will become free from a

Bad karma. My brother wasn’t stupid to believe in the Astrologer’s suggestion.

I heard that this Astrologer suggested the same thing to many others and even

heard a foolish man actually obeyed. A genuine Astrologer would not recommend

you to invest heavily in

performing rituals to shape future because by performing rituals you may be

able to postpone bad karmas but you cannot get rid of them but when Grace of

Lord Siva descends they will be written off. It is not wise to worship or

performing rituals because God may punish otherwise, this is definitely not the

way to worship Lord Siva because His nature is PURE LOVE, all He expects is

unconditional love from His immortal children and He is the inner controller

who can fulfil your needs without even you asking for them. Is Lord Siva,

the Supreme Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas (worlds) powerless to save

His ture devotees? Is He relying on a third person to chant mantras to please

Him? Please don’t switch between mantras because they may yield results on you

favour. Please surrender all your worries at the feet of

Lord Siva and be happy with your family. There is a beautiful devotional poem

written by a great Saivite saint which says that the Lord Siva who consumed

poison for the sake of His devotees will always protect His true devotees and

Planet gods have no power to harm. Even if you totally believe that you son

has the bad Prarabdha Karma, it can be overcome by the grace of the Lord Siva.

The Lord’s grace descends when there is sincere devotion and self-surrender.

The Lord’s grace will descend in proportion to the degree of surrender. The

laws of nature do not operate when there is the grace of the Lord. His grace is

all-powerful. We have the instance of Markandeya who conquered death (attained

immortality) by his sincere devotion the Lord. He was destined to die young,

but when the Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no power to carry out his

wish. So it is possible to overcome Prarabdha by devotion. Story Of

Markandeya Markandeya was a great devotee of Lord Siva. His father Mrikandu

performed rigorous austerities to get a son. Lord Siva appeared before him and

said: “O Rishi! Do you want a good son who will die in his sixteenth

year or a bad and foolish son who will live for a long time?” Mrikandu replied,

“O my venerable Lord! Let me have a good son.” The boy began to know about

his fate and began to worship Lord Siva whole-heartedly with intense faith and

devotion. The boy entered into deep meditation and Samadhi on the day decreed

as the day of his death. Hence Yama himself went to take his life. The boy

prayed to Lord Siva for protection and embraced the Linga. Then Yama threw his

noose round the Linga and the boy. Lord Siva came out of the Linga immediately

and killed Yama to protect the boy. Lord Siva was called Mrityunjaya and

Kalakala from that day. Then the

Devas approached Lord Siva and said: “O Adorable Lord! Salutations unto Thee.

Pardon Yama for his mistake, O Ocean of Mercy, bring him back to life.” Then

Lord Siva brought Yama back to life at the request of the gods. He also

conferred a boon on the boy Markandeya, that he should live for ever as a boy

of sixteen years of age. He is a Chiranjivi. In South India, even now men and

woman bless a boy when he does prostration to them: “Live as Chiranjivi

Markandeya.” Through Tapas and meditation you can

conquer death, you can achieve anything in the three worlds. A sincere devotee

will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up in the spiritual march. Many of

his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged out quickly to hasten his

salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him extraordinary power of

endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in sufferings and destitution

on account of the descent of the Lord’s grace. He voluntarily welcomes these

sufferings. May Lord Siva shower His Grace upon you and you family.

Sivaya Namahanil <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah

Om,Request all learned persons to reflect on following duvidha..i have a son

aged 16 years and someone suggested chanting MMj for him ( 35k)..Arjun Ji is

aware of this..i did it personally but as per this astrologer, it had not

yielded any fruits..while i did the MMJ with full shradha and devotion..why has

this happened ?second confusion is the biggest one that is..when the destiny for

the Jiva is fixed, how can any karma change the destiny ?karma/destiny/freewill

is all attributed to Jiva - mind and body, and i am doing sadhana to kill my

ego - the illusionary self..in this situation i am perplexed..is it a test for

me ? or for my son ? what should i do ? get the MMJ done by this

astrologer..The authenticity of this astrolger is beyong the

doubt..unquestionable..Let the Divinity advise me

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and healing. Glorify the jala principle by helping others with the facility of

water, do abhisheka to Lord, chant OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO MAHAKALESWARAAYA (JAPA

purifies the mind/prana and even glorifies saliva - japa does not allow the

saliva to dry that easily - it makes the person cheerful and healthy). Best

wishes. Yours, p.s.ramanarayanan.Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote: Om Namah Sivaya Sri Anil, “Man suffers through lack of faith in

God” “Knowledge

leads to unity; ignorance to diversity”

------Sri Ramakrishna If I were you I would direct my time &

energy to worship Lord Siva, serve His devotees and sing His Glory rather than

invest it in worrying about what Sani & Rahu are going to do to my family. I

have noticed that people who have more faith in Astrology often tend to have

less faith in God, these people when

fortunate things happen to them they thing because of their own effort and point

their fingers at these poor gods (Sani/Rahu) when unfavourable things are

happening (they refuse to accept because of their own bad karmas ). Just as

there are fake gurus (at least 90% I would say) there is no shortage of fake

Astrologers. I tell you an example of a fake Astrologer, a few years ago here

in Britain an Astrologer suggested that my eldest brother should perform

certain ritual and also told him that he should put costly cloths, gold and one

thousand British pounds in cash (he emphasized many times not one thousand

Indian rupee!!!) on a tray and my brother must give it to the Astrologer and

prostrate down and worship his feet so that my brother will become free from a

Bad karma. My brother wasn’t stupid to believe in the Astrologer’s suggestion.

I heard that this Astrologer suggested the same thing to many others and even

heard a foolish man actually obeyed. A genuine Astrologer would not recommend

you to invest heavily in performing rituals to shape future because by

performing rituals you may be able to postpone bad karmas but you cannot get

rid of them but when Grace of Lord Siva descends they will be written off. It

is not wise to worship or performing rituals because God may punish otherwise,

this is definitely not the way to worship Lord Siva because His nature is PURE

LOVE, all He expects is unconditional love from His immortal children and He is

the inner controller who can fulfil your needs without even you asking for them.

Is Lord Siva, the Supreme Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas (worlds)

powerless to save His ture devotees? Is He relying on a third person to chant

mantras to please Him? Please don’t switch between mantras because they may

yield results on you favour. Please surrender all your worries at the feet of

Lord Siva and be happy with your family. There is a beautiful devotional

poem written by a great Saivite saint which says that the Lord Siva who

consumed poison for the sake of His devotees will always protect His true

devotees and Planet gods have no power to harm. Even if you totally believe

that you son has the bad Prarabdha Karma, it can be overcome by the grace of

the Lord Siva. The Lord’s grace descends when there is sincere devotion and

self-surrender. The

Lord’s grace will descend in proportion to the degree of surrender. The laws

of nature do not operate when there is the grace of the Lord. His grace is

all-powerful. We have the instance of Markandeya who conquered death (attained

immortality) by his sincere devotion the Lord. He was destined to die young,

but when the Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no power to carry out his

wish. So it is possible to overcome Prarabdha by devotion. Story Of

Markandeya Markandeya was a great devotee of Lord Siva. His father Mrikandu

performed rigorous

austerities to get a son. Lord Siva appeared before him and said: “O Rishi! Do

you want a good son who will die in his sixteenth year or a bad and foolish son

who will live for a long time?” Mrikandu replied, “O my venerable Lord! Let me

have a good son.” The boy began to know about his fate and began to worship

Lord Siva whole-heartedly with intense faith and devotion. The boy entered into

deep meditation and Samadhi on the day decreed as the day of his death. Hence

Yama himself went to take his life. The boy prayed to Lord Siva for protection

and embraced the Linga. Then Yama threw his noose round the Linga and the boy.

Lord Siva came out of the Linga immediately and killed Yama to protect the boy.

Lord Siva was called Mrityunjaya and Kalakala from that day. Then the Devas

approached Lord Siva and said: “O Adorable Lord! Salutations unto Thee. Pardon

Yama for his mistake, O Ocean of Mercy, bring him back to life.” Then Lord Siva

brought Yama back to life at the request of the gods. He also conferred a boon

on the boy Markandeya, that he should live for ever as a boy of sixteen years

of age. He is a Chiranjivi. In South India, even now men and woman bless a boy

when he does prostration to them: “Live as Chiranjivi Markandeya.”

Through Tapas and meditation you can conquer death, you can achieve anything in

the three worlds. A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up

in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged

out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him

extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in

sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the Lord’s grace. He

voluntarily welcomes these sufferings. May Lord Siva shower His Grace upon

you and you family. Sivaya Namahanil <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote:

2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Om Namah

Shivaya Shivaya Namah Om,Request all learned persons to reflect on following

duvidha..i have a son aged 16 years and someone suggested chanting MMj for him

( 35k)..Arjun Ji is aware of this..i did it personally but as per this

astrologer, it had not yielded any fruits..while i did the MMJ with full

shradha and devotion..why has this happened ?second confusion is the biggest

one that is..when the destiny for the Jiva is fixed, how can any karma change

the destiny ?karma/destiny/freewill is all attributed to Jiva - mind and body,

and i am doing sadhana to kill my ego - the illusionary self..in this situation

i am perplexed..is it a test for me ? or for my son ? what should i do ? get the

MMJ done by this astrologer..The authenticity of this astrolger is beyong the

doubt..unquestionable..Let the Divinity advise me through

all the learned members of this group..Shiva sharanamanil Messenger NEW -

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Astrologer,can agree with you only to extent that majority of the persons posing

themselves as Astrologers might fake. Astrology is one of the "VEDANG"and is

known as "veda chakshu".Our Great Rishis has directed to see / read the Vedas

with eyes provided by Jyotish.Theory of karmas is taught in the sylabus of

astrology and is the basis of astrology.Maharishi Parashar answering the

questions,asked by his desciple Metrey,explained this super science for the

benefit of agrieved humanity.This science was further enriched by the various

Rishis,purely for the benefit of mankind. A code of conduct has been

prescribed,by our great rishis,for theAstrologers. Acording to that-persons

with satvik budhi can learn Astrology and knoweldge of astrology such gained

can only be used for the benefit of mankind without any greed or motive. If the

person

is actual astrologer,from the horoscope of any person,he can see that what

karmas he has done in his previous birth and weather in this birth he has born

with "Devik Sampda" or "Rashash Sampda".By observing number of different

horoscopes,real astrologer can very well see that,only previous karmmas of a

man are responsible for his present state,whatever it may be . I personally

look the Astrology as an science which can enlighten the soul,if used in the

right perspective.Astrology can very well look into and describe all the four

pursarthas "DharmaArathakama" and "Mokasha" in any horoscope.

Om Shanti Shanti Shanti

Er.Ram Lubhaya vashisth,

Vestfossen, Norway.

Ph-- 0047 32756858 Haidakhandi Samaj

<yogasamaj (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote: Om Namah Sivaya Sri Anil, “Man

suffers through lack of faith in God” “Knowledge leads to unity; ignorance to

diversity” ------Sri

Ramakrishna If I were you I would direct my time & energy to worship Lord

Siva, serve His devotees and sing

His Glory rather than invest it in worrying about what Sani & Rahu are going to

do to my family. I have noticed that people who have more faith in Astrology

often tend to have less faith in God, these people when fortunate things happen

to them they thing because of their own effort and point their fingers at these

poor gods (Sani/Rahu) when unfavourable things are happening (they refuse to

accept because of their own bad karmas ). Just as there are fake gurus (at

least 90% I would say) there is no shortage of fake Astrologers. I tell you an

example of a fake Astrologer, a few years ago here in Britain an Astrologer

suggested that my eldest brother should perform certain ritual and also told

him that he should put costly cloths, gold and one thousand British pounds in

cash (he emphasized many times not one thousand Indian rupee!!!) on a tray and

my brother must give it to the Astrologer and prostrate down and worship his

feet so that my brother will become free from a Bad karma.

My brother wasn’t stupid to believe in the Astrologer’s suggestion. I heard that

this Astrologer suggested the same thing to many others and even heard a foolish

man actually obeyed. A genuine Astrologer would not recommend you to invest

heavily in performing rituals to shape future because by performing rituals

you may be able to postpone bad karmas but you cannot get rid of them but when

Grace of Lord Siva descends they will be written off. It is not wise to worship

or performing rituals because God may punish otherwise, this is definitely not

the way to worship Lord Siva because His nature is PURE LOVE, all He expects is

unconditional love from His immortal children and He is the inner controller who

can fulfil your needs without even you asking for them. Is Lord Siva, the

Supreme Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas (worlds) powerless to save His

ture devotees? Is He relying on a third person to chant mantras to please Him?

Please don’t switch between mantras because they may yield results on you

favour. Please surrender all your worries at the feet of Lord Siva and be happy

with your family. There is a beautiful devotional poem written by a great

Saivite saint which says that the Lord Siva who consumed poison for the sake of

His devotees will always protect His true devotees and Planet gods have no power

to harm. Even if you totally believe that you son has the bad Prarabdha

Karma, it can be overcome by the grace

of the Lord Siva. The Lord’s grace descends when there is sincere devotion and

self-surrender. The Lord’s grace will descend in proportion to the degree of

surrender. The laws of nature do not operate when there is the grace of the

Lord. His grace is all-powerful. We have the instance of Markandeya who

conquered death (attained immortality) by his sincere devotion the Lord. He was

destined to die young, but when the Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no

power to carry out his wish. So it is possible to overcome Prarabdha by

devotion.

0cm">Story Of Markandeya Markandeya was a great devotee of Lord Siva. His

father Mrikandu performed rigorous austerities to get a son. Lord Siva appeared

before him and said: “O Rishi! Do you want a good son who will die in his

sixteenth year or a bad and foolish son who will live for a long time?”

Mrikandu replied, “O my venerable Lord! Let me have a good son.” The boy

began to know about his fate and began to worship Lord Siva whole-heartedly

with intense faith and devotion. The boy entered into deep meditation and

Samadhi on the day decreed as the day of his death. Hence Yama himself went to

take his life. The boy prayed to Lord Siva for protection and embraced the

Linga.

Then Yama threw his noose round the Linga and the boy. Lord Siva came out of the

Linga immediately and killed Yama to protect the boy. Lord Siva was called

Mrityunjaya and Kalakala from that day. Then the Devas approached Lord Siva

and said: “O Adorable Lord! Salutations unto Thee. Pardon Yama for his mistake,

O Ocean of Mercy, bring him back to life.” Then Lord Siva brought Yama back to

life at the request of the gods. He also conferred a boon on the boy

Markandeya, that he should live for ever as a boy of sixteen years of age. He

is a Chiranjivi. In South India, even now men and woman bless a boy when he

does prostration to them: “Live as Chiranjivi Markandeya.”

36pt"> Through Tapas and meditation you can conquer death, you can achieve

anything in the three worlds. A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he

is hurrying up in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be

worked out and purged out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth.

But, God gives him extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he

rejoices even in sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the

Lord’s grace. He voluntarily welcomes these sufferings.

'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';

mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language:

AR-SA">May Lord Siva shower His Grace upon you and you family. Sivaya

Namahanil <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah

Om,Request all learned persons to reflect on following duvidha..i have a son

aged 16 years and someone suggested chanting MMj for him ( 35k)..Arjun Ji is

aware of this..i did it personally but as per this astrologer, it had not

yielded any fruits..while i did the MMJ with full shradha and devotion..why has

this happened ?second confusion is the biggest one that is..when the destiny for

the Jiva is fixed, how can any karma change the destiny ?karma/destiny/freewill

is all attributed to Jiva - mind and body, and i am doing sadhana to kill my ego

- the illusionary self..in this situation i am perplexed..is it a test for me ?

or for my son ? what should i do ? get the MMJ done by this astrologer..The

authenticity of this astrolger is beyong the doubt..unquestionable..Let the

Divinity advise me through all the learned members of this group..Shiva

sharanamanil Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide

with voicemail Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer Briskeveien - 15,

Vestofossen Norway. Ph. 0047 - 32756858

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