Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 many times not one thousand Indian rupee!!!) on a tray and my brother must give it to the Astrologer and prostrate down and worship his feet so that my brother will become free from a Bad karma. My brother wasn’t stupid to believe in the Astrologer’s suggestion. I heard that this Astrologer suggested the same thing to many others and even heard a foolish man actually obeyed. A genuine Astrologer would not recommend you to invest heavily in performing rituals to shape future because by performing rituals you may be able to postpone bad karmas but you cannot get rid of them but when Grace of Lord Siva descends they will be written off. It is not wise to worship or performing rituals because God may punish otherwise, this is definitely not the way to worship Lord Siva because His nature is PURE LOVE, all He expects is unconditional love from His immortal children and He is the inner controller who can fulfil your needs without even you asking for them. Is Lord Siva, the Supreme Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas (worlds) powerless to save His ture devotees? Is He relying on a third person to chant mantras to please Him? Please don’t switch between mantras because they may yield results on you favour. Please surrender all your worries at the feet of Lord Siva and be happy with your family. There is a beautiful devotional poem written by a great Saivite saint which says that the Lord Siva who consumed poison for the sake of His devotees will always protect His true devotees and Planet gods have no power to harm. Roman" size="3"> Even if you totally believe that you son has the bad Prarabdha Karma, it can be overcome by the grace of the Lord Siva. The Lord’s grace descends when there is sincere devotion and self-surrender. The Lord’s grace will descend in proportion to the degree of surrender. The laws of nature do not operate when there is the grace of the Lord. His grace is all-powerful. We have the instance of Markandeya who conquered death (attained immortality) by his sincere devotion the Lord. He was destined to die young, but when the Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no power to carry out his wish. So it is possible to overcome Prarabdha by devotion. Story Of Markandeya Markandeya was a great devotee of Lord Siva. His father Mrikandu performed rigorous austerities to get a son. Lord Siva appeared before him and said: “O Rishi! Do you want a good son who will die in his sixteenth year or a bad and foolish son who will live for a long time?” Mrikandu replied, “O my venerable Lord! Let me have a good son.” The boy began to know about his fate and began to worship Lord Siva whole-heartedly with intense faith and devotion. The boy entered into deep meditation and Samadhi on the day decreed as the day of his death. Hence Yama himself went to take his life. The boy prayed to Lord Siva for protection and embraced the Linga. Then Yama threw his noose round the Linga and the boy. Lord Siva came out of the Linga immediately and killed Yama to protect the boy. Lord Siva was called Mrityunjaya and Kalakala from that day. Then the Devas approached Lord Siva and said: “O Adorable Lord! Salutations unto Thee. Pardon Yama for his mistake, O Ocean of Mercy, bring him back to life.” Then Lord Siva brought Yama back to life at the request of the gods. He also conferred a boon on the boy Markandeya, that he should live for ever as a boy of sixteen years of age. He is a Chiranjivi. In South India, even now men and woman bless a boy when he does prostration to them: “Live as Chiranjivi Markandeya.” Through Tapas and meditation you can conquer death, you can achieve anything in the three worlds. A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the Lord’s grace. He voluntarily welcomes these sufferings. May Lord Siva shower His Grace upon you and you family. Sivaya Namahanil <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah Om,Request all learned persons to reflect on following duvidha..i have a son aged 16 years and someone suggested chanting MMj for him ( 35k)..Arjun Ji is aware of this..i did it personally but as per this astrologer, it had not yielded any fruits..while i did the MMJ with full shradha and devotion..why has this happened ?second confusion is the biggest one that is..when the destiny for the Jiva is fixed, how can any karma change the destiny ?karma/destiny/freewill is all attributed to Jiva - mind and body, and i am doing sadhana to kill my ego - the illusionary self..in this situation i am perplexed..is it a test for me ? or for my son ? what should i do ? get the MMJ done by this astrologer..The authenticity of this astrolger is beyong the doubt..unquestionable..Let the Divinity advise me through all the learned members of this group..Shiva sharanamanil Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 WHAT AN WONDERFUL POST SELVARATNAMJI. I too feel that astrology should not be used for prediction but to know the general trend of things. That general trend, if negative, can definitely be corrected with intelligent karma coupled with devotion at the feet of the Lord. Your post gave me goosebumps. God bless you Sir. Regards, Jagannath. , Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk wrote: > > Om Namah Sivaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 yes"> ------Sri Ramakrishna If I were you I would direct my time & energy to worship Lord Siva, serve His devotees and sing His Glory rather than invest it in worrying about what Sani & Rahu are going to do to my family. I have noticed that people who have more faith in Astrology often tend to have less faith in God, these people when fortunate things happen to them they thing because of their own effort and point their fingers at these poor gods (Sani/Rahu) when unfavourable things are happening (they refuse to accept because of their own bad karmas ). Just as there are fake gurus (at least 90% I would say) there is no shortage of fake Astrologers. I tell you an example of a fake Astrologer, a few years ago here in Britain an Astrologer suggested that my eldest brother should perform certain ritual and also told him that he should put costly cloths, gold and one thousand British pounds in cash (he emphasized many times not one thousand Indian rupee!!!) on a tray and my brother must give it to the Astrologer and prostrate down and worship his feet so that my brother will become free from a Bad karma. My brother wasn’t stupid to believe in the Astrologer’s suggestion. I heard that this Astrologer suggested the same thing to many others and even heard a foolish man actually obeyed. A genuine Astrologer would not recommend you to invest heavily in performing rituals to shape future because by performing rituals you may be able to postpone bad karmas but you cannot get rid of them but when Grace of Lord Siva descends they will be written off. It is not wise to worship or performing rituals because God may punish otherwise, this is definitely not the way to worship Lord Siva because His nature is PURE LOVE, all He expects is unconditional love from His immortal children and He is the inner controller who can fulfil your needs without even you asking for them. Is Lord Siva, the Supreme Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas (worlds) powerless to save His ture devotees? Is He relying on a third person to chant mantras to please Him? Please don’t switch between mantras because they may yield results on you favour. Please surrender all your worries at the feet of Lord Siva and be happy with your family. There is a beautiful devotional poem written by a great Saivite saint which says that the Lord Siva who consumed poison for the sake of His devotees will always protect His true devotees and Planet gods have no power to harm. Even if you totally believe that you son has the bad Prarabdha Karma, it can be overcome by the grace of the Lord Siva. The Lord’s grace descends when there is sincere devotion and self-surrender. The Lord’s grace will descend in proportion to the degree of surrender. The laws of nature do not operate when there is the grace of the Lord. His grace is all-powerful. We have the instance of Markandeya who conquered death (attained immortality) by his sincere devotion the Lord. He was destined to die young, but when the Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no power to carry out his wish. So it is possible to overcome Prarabdha by devotion. Story Of Markandeya Markandeya was a great devotee of Lord Siva. His father Mrikandu performed rigorous austerities to get a son. Lord Siva appeared before him and said: “O Rishi! Do you want a good son who will die in his sixteenth year or a bad and foolish son who will live for a long time?” Mrikandu replied, “O my venerable Lord! Let me have a good son.” The boy began to know about his fate and began to worship Lord Siva whole-heartedly with intense faith and devotion. The boy entered into deep meditation and Samadhi on the day decreed as the day of his death. Hence Yama himself went to take his life. The boy prayed to Lord Siva for protection and embraced the Linga. Then Yama threw his noose round the Linga and the boy. Lord Siva came out of the Linga immediately and killed Yama to protect the boy. Lord Siva was called Mrityunjaya and Kalakala from that day. Then the Devas approached Lord Siva and said: “O Adorable Lord! Salutations unto Thee. Pardon Yama for his mistake, O Ocean of Mercy, bring him back to life.” Then Lord Siva brought Yama back to life at the request of the gods. He also conferred a boon on the boy Markandeya, that he should live for ever as a boy of sixteen years of age. He is a Chiranjivi. In South India, even now men and woman bless a boy when he does prostration to them: “Live as Chiranjivi Markandeya.” Through Tapas and meditation you can conquer death, you can achieve anything in the three worlds. A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the Lord’s grace. He voluntarily welcomes these sufferings. May Lord Siva shower His Grace upon you and you family. Sivaya Namahanil <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah Om,Request all learned persons to reflect on following duvidha..i have a son aged 16 years and someone suggested chanting MMj for him ( 35k)..Arjun Ji is aware of this..i did it personally but as per this astrologer, it had not yielded any fruits..while i did the MMJ with full shradha and devotion..why has this happened ?second confusion is the biggest one that is..when the destiny for the Jiva is fixed, how can any karma change the destiny ?karma/destiny/freewill is all attributed to Jiva - mind and body, and i am doing sadhana to kill my ego - the illusionary self..in this situation i am perplexed..is it a test for me ? or for my son ? what should i do ? get the MMJ done by this astrologer..The authenticity of this astrolger is beyong the doubt..unquestionable..Let the Divinity advise me through all the learned members of this group..Shiva sharanamanil Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Lord shiva egp html banner|**| --> Visit your group "" on the web. 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 and healing. Glorify the jala principle by helping others with the facility of water, do abhisheka to Lord, chant OM NAMA SIVAAYA NAMO MAHAKALESWARAAYA (JAPA purifies the mind/prana and even glorifies saliva - japa does not allow the saliva to dry that easily - it makes the person cheerful and healthy). Best wishes. Yours, p.s.ramanarayanan.Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Om Namah Sivaya Sri Anil, “Man suffers through lack of faith in God” “Knowledge leads to unity; ignorance to diversity” ------Sri Ramakrishna If I were you I would direct my time & energy to worship Lord Siva, serve His devotees and sing His Glory rather than invest it in worrying about what Sani & Rahu are going to do to my family. I have noticed that people who have more faith in Astrology often tend to have less faith in God, these people when fortunate things happen to them they thing because of their own effort and point their fingers at these poor gods (Sani/Rahu) when unfavourable things are happening (they refuse to accept because of their own bad karmas ). Just as there are fake gurus (at least 90% I would say) there is no shortage of fake Astrologers. I tell you an example of a fake Astrologer, a few years ago here in Britain an Astrologer suggested that my eldest brother should perform certain ritual and also told him that he should put costly cloths, gold and one thousand British pounds in cash (he emphasized many times not one thousand Indian rupee!!!) on a tray and my brother must give it to the Astrologer and prostrate down and worship his feet so that my brother will become free from a Bad karma. My brother wasn’t stupid to believe in the Astrologer’s suggestion. I heard that this Astrologer suggested the same thing to many others and even heard a foolish man actually obeyed. A genuine Astrologer would not recommend you to invest heavily in performing rituals to shape future because by performing rituals you may be able to postpone bad karmas but you cannot get rid of them but when Grace of Lord Siva descends they will be written off. It is not wise to worship or performing rituals because God may punish otherwise, this is definitely not the way to worship Lord Siva because His nature is PURE LOVE, all He expects is unconditional love from His immortal children and He is the inner controller who can fulfil your needs without even you asking for them. Is Lord Siva, the Supreme Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas (worlds) powerless to save His ture devotees? Is He relying on a third person to chant mantras to please Him? Please don’t switch between mantras because they may yield results on you favour. Please surrender all your worries at the feet of Lord Siva and be happy with your family. There is a beautiful devotional poem written by a great Saivite saint which says that the Lord Siva who consumed poison for the sake of His devotees will always protect His true devotees and Planet gods have no power to harm. Even if you totally believe that you son has the bad Prarabdha Karma, it can be overcome by the grace of the Lord Siva. The Lord’s grace descends when there is sincere devotion and self-surrender. The Lord’s grace will descend in proportion to the degree of surrender. The laws of nature do not operate when there is the grace of the Lord. His grace is all-powerful. We have the instance of Markandeya who conquered death (attained immortality) by his sincere devotion the Lord. He was destined to die young, but when the Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no power to carry out his wish. So it is possible to overcome Prarabdha by devotion. Story Of Markandeya Markandeya was a great devotee of Lord Siva. His father Mrikandu performed rigorous austerities to get a son. Lord Siva appeared before him and said: “O Rishi! Do you want a good son who will die in his sixteenth year or a bad and foolish son who will live for a long time?” Mrikandu replied, “O my venerable Lord! Let me have a good son.” The boy began to know about his fate and began to worship Lord Siva whole-heartedly with intense faith and devotion. The boy entered into deep meditation and Samadhi on the day decreed as the day of his death. Hence Yama himself went to take his life. The boy prayed to Lord Siva for protection and embraced the Linga. Then Yama threw his noose round the Linga and the boy. Lord Siva came out of the Linga immediately and killed Yama to protect the boy. Lord Siva was called Mrityunjaya and Kalakala from that day. Then the Devas approached Lord Siva and said: “O Adorable Lord! Salutations unto Thee. Pardon Yama for his mistake, O Ocean of Mercy, bring him back to life.” Then Lord Siva brought Yama back to life at the request of the gods. He also conferred a boon on the boy Markandeya, that he should live for ever as a boy of sixteen years of age. He is a Chiranjivi. In South India, even now men and woman bless a boy when he does prostration to them: “Live as Chiranjivi Markandeya.” Through Tapas and meditation you can conquer death, you can achieve anything in the three worlds. A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the Lord’s grace. He voluntarily welcomes these sufferings. May Lord Siva shower His Grace upon you and you family. Sivaya Namahanil <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Om Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah Om,Request all learned persons to reflect on following duvidha..i have a son aged 16 years and someone suggested chanting MMj for him ( 35k)..Arjun Ji is aware of this..i did it personally but as per this astrologer, it had not yielded any fruits..while i did the MMJ with full shradha and devotion..why has this happened ?second confusion is the biggest one that is..when the destiny for the Jiva is fixed, how can any karma change the destiny ?karma/destiny/freewill is all attributed to Jiva - mind and body, and i am doing sadhana to kill my ego - the illusionary self..in this situation i am perplexed..is it a test for me ? or for my son ? what should i do ? get the MMJ done by this astrologer..The authenticity of this astrolger is beyong the doubt..unquestionable..Let the Divinity advise me through all the learned members of this group..Shiva sharanamanil Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Jiyo cricket on India cricket Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Astrologer,can agree with you only to extent that majority of the persons posing themselves as Astrologers might fake. Astrology is one of the "VEDANG"and is known as "veda chakshu".Our Great Rishis has directed to see / read the Vedas with eyes provided by Jyotish.Theory of karmas is taught in the sylabus of astrology and is the basis of astrology.Maharishi Parashar answering the questions,asked by his desciple Metrey,explained this super science for the benefit of agrieved humanity.This science was further enriched by the various Rishis,purely for the benefit of mankind. A code of conduct has been prescribed,by our great rishis,for theAstrologers. Acording to that-persons with satvik budhi can learn Astrology and knoweldge of astrology such gained can only be used for the benefit of mankind without any greed or motive. If the person is actual astrologer,from the horoscope of any person,he can see that what karmas he has done in his previous birth and weather in this birth he has born with "Devik Sampda" or "Rashash Sampda".By observing number of different horoscopes,real astrologer can very well see that,only previous karmmas of a man are responsible for his present state,whatever it may be . I personally look the Astrology as an science which can enlighten the soul,if used in the right perspective.Astrology can very well look into and describe all the four pursarthas "DharmaArathakama" and "Mokasha" in any horoscope. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti Er.Ram Lubhaya vashisth, Vestfossen, Norway. Ph-- 0047 32756858 Haidakhandi Samaj <yogasamaj (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Om Namah Sivaya Sri Anil, “Man suffers through lack of faith in God” “Knowledge leads to unity; ignorance to diversity” ------Sri Ramakrishna If I were you I would direct my time & energy to worship Lord Siva, serve His devotees and sing His Glory rather than invest it in worrying about what Sani & Rahu are going to do to my family. I have noticed that people who have more faith in Astrology often tend to have less faith in God, these people when fortunate things happen to them they thing because of their own effort and point their fingers at these poor gods (Sani/Rahu) when unfavourable things are happening (they refuse to accept because of their own bad karmas ). Just as there are fake gurus (at least 90% I would say) there is no shortage of fake Astrologers. I tell you an example of a fake Astrologer, a few years ago here in Britain an Astrologer suggested that my eldest brother should perform certain ritual and also told him that he should put costly cloths, gold and one thousand British pounds in cash (he emphasized many times not one thousand Indian rupee!!!) on a tray and my brother must give it to the Astrologer and prostrate down and worship his feet so that my brother will become free from a Bad karma. My brother wasn’t stupid to believe in the Astrologer’s suggestion. I heard that this Astrologer suggested the same thing to many others and even heard a foolish man actually obeyed. A genuine Astrologer would not recommend you to invest heavily in performing rituals to shape future because by performing rituals you may be able to postpone bad karmas but you cannot get rid of them but when Grace of Lord Siva descends they will be written off. It is not wise to worship or performing rituals because God may punish otherwise, this is definitely not the way to worship Lord Siva because His nature is PURE LOVE, all He expects is unconditional love from His immortal children and He is the inner controller who can fulfil your needs without even you asking for them. Is Lord Siva, the Supreme Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas (worlds) powerless to save His ture devotees? Is He relying on a third person to chant mantras to please Him? Please don’t switch between mantras because they may yield results on you favour. Please surrender all your worries at the feet of Lord Siva and be happy with your family. There is a beautiful devotional poem written by a great Saivite saint which says that the Lord Siva who consumed poison for the sake of His devotees will always protect His true devotees and Planet gods have no power to harm. Even if you totally believe that you son has the bad Prarabdha Karma, it can be overcome by the grace of the Lord Siva. The Lord’s grace descends when there is sincere devotion and self-surrender. The Lord’s grace will descend in proportion to the degree of surrender. The laws of nature do not operate when there is the grace of the Lord. His grace is all-powerful. We have the instance of Markandeya who conquered death (attained immortality) by his sincere devotion the Lord. He was destined to die young, but when the Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no power to carry out his wish. So it is possible to overcome Prarabdha by devotion. 0cm">Story Of Markandeya Markandeya was a great devotee of Lord Siva. His father Mrikandu performed rigorous austerities to get a son. Lord Siva appeared before him and said: “O Rishi! Do you want a good son who will die in his sixteenth year or a bad and foolish son who will live for a long time?” Mrikandu replied, “O my venerable Lord! Let me have a good son.” The boy began to know about his fate and began to worship Lord Siva whole-heartedly with intense faith and devotion. The boy entered into deep meditation and Samadhi on the day decreed as the day of his death. Hence Yama himself went to take his life. The boy prayed to Lord Siva for protection and embraced the Linga. Then Yama threw his noose round the Linga and the boy. Lord Siva came out of the Linga immediately and killed Yama to protect the boy. Lord Siva was called Mrityunjaya and Kalakala from that day. Then the Devas approached Lord Siva and said: “O Adorable Lord! Salutations unto Thee. Pardon Yama for his mistake, O Ocean of Mercy, bring him back to life.” Then Lord Siva brought Yama back to life at the request of the gods. He also conferred a boon on the boy Markandeya, that he should live for ever as a boy of sixteen years of age. He is a Chiranjivi. In South India, even now men and woman bless a boy when he does prostration to them: “Live as Chiranjivi Markandeya.” 36pt"> Through Tapas and meditation you can conquer death, you can achieve anything in the three worlds. A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the Lord’s grace. He voluntarily welcomes these sufferings. 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">May Lord Siva shower His Grace upon you and you family. Sivaya Namahanil <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah Om,Request all learned persons to reflect on following duvidha..i have a son aged 16 years and someone suggested chanting MMj for him ( 35k)..Arjun Ji is aware of this..i did it personally but as per this astrologer, it had not yielded any fruits..while i did the MMJ with full shradha and devotion..why has this happened ?second confusion is the biggest one that is..when the destiny for the Jiva is fixed, how can any karma change the destiny ?karma/destiny/freewill is all attributed to Jiva - mind and body, and i am doing sadhana to kill my ego - the illusionary self..in this situation i am perplexed..is it a test for me ? or for my son ? what should i do ? get the MMJ done by this astrologer..The authenticity of this astrolger is beyong the doubt..unquestionable..Let the Divinity advise me through all the learned members of this group..Shiva sharanamanil Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Er. 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