Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Self and who is able to use his power to assist others towards the goal of Self-realisation. Sri Ramana often said that God, Guru and the Self are identical; the Guru is God in human form and, simultaneously, he is also the Self in the Heart of each devotee. Because he is both inside and outside, his powers work in two different ways. The outer Guru gives instructions and by his power enables the devotee to keep his attention on the Self; the inner Guru pulls the devotee’s mind back to its source, absorbs it in the Self and finally destroys it. It is a basic tenet of Sri Ramana’s teaching that a Guru is necessary for almost everyone who is striving towards a permanent awareness of the Self. The catalytic role of the Guru in spiritual development is therefore crucial; except in rare instances, ignorance of the Self is so deeply rooted that individual seekers are unable to escape from it by their own efforts. Although Sri Ramana taught that a Guru is indispensable for those seeking Self-realisation, he also pointed out that the Guru has no power to bring about realisation in those who are not energetically seeking it. If the individual seeker makes a serious attempt to discover the Self, then the grace and power of the Guru will automatically start to flow. If no such attempt is made, the Guru is helpless. Thank you Aravind Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 very rightly said.. in fact everyone must read the book - Be as you are..The teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi..edited by David Godman..available in india from Penguin ..for rs. 200/- it is an eye opener.. Saab ka Bhala ho.. rgds anil , Aravind Kumar <aravind_kumar_32> wrote: > > Greeting soul friends, > > God and Guru are in truth not different. Just as the prey that has fallen into the jaws of a tiger cannot escape, so those who have come under the glance of the Guru’s grace will surely be saved and will never be forsaken; yet one should follow without fail the path shown by the Guru. > > From Bhagavan’s (Sri Ramana’s) point of view there are no disciples but from the point of view of the disciple the grace of the Guru is like the ocean. If the disciple comes with a cup he will only get a cupful. It is no use complaining of the niggardliness of the ocean; the bigger the vessel the more he will be able to carry. It is entirely up to him. > > The term Guru is often loosely used to describe anyone who gives out spiritual advice, but in Sri Ramana’s vocabulary the word has a much more restricted definition. For him, a true Guru is someone who has realised the Self and who is able to use his power to assist others towards the goal of Self-realisation. > > Sri Ramana often said that God, Guru and the Self are > identical; the Guru is God in human form and, simultaneously, he is also the Self in the Heart of each devotee. Because he is both inside and outside, his powers work in two different ways. The outer Guru gives instructions and by his power enables the devotee to keep his attention on the Self; the inner Guru pulls the devotee’s mind back to its source, absorbs it in the Self and finally destroys it. > > It is a basic tenet of Sri Ramana’s teaching that a Guru is > necessary for almost everyone who is striving towards a > permanent awareness of the Self. The catalytic role of the Guru in spiritual development is therefore crucial; except in rare instances, ignorance of the Self is so deeply rooted that individual seekers are unable to escape from it by their own efforts. > > Although Sri Ramana taught that a Guru is indispensable for those seeking Self- realisation, he also pointed out that the Guru has no power to bring about realisation in those who are not energetically seeking it. If the individual seeker makes a serious attempt to discover the Self, then the grace and power of the Guru will automatically start to flow. If no such attempt is made, the Guru is helpless. > > Thank you > Aravind > > > > > > > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 How do one distinguish betwen a false Guru and true one?. Sri Adi Sankara sang in Bhaja Govindam, that much of the Guru mushrooming just to earn wealth. Once Karaikal Amaiyar preached a priest that God exist everywhere, amazed by the explanation of Amaiyar, who is the Mother of God Himself, the priest prostrated in front of Amaiyar, remembering the lotus feet of the God himself, Amaiyar told the priest, we (the priest and Amaiyar) themselves serves the God in bringing self-realization to mankind, we shall only prostrate in front of him and no other. I'm not so aware of the truth beneath Guru devotion, but just as a doubt, How does one get certain that he is not being misleaded?. To all the respect to Guru Adi Sankara. Rgds HarikrishnanOn 1/23/06, anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: very rightly said.. in fact everyone must read the book - Be as you are..The teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi..edited by David Godman..available in india from Penguin ..for rs. 200/- it is an eye opener.. Saab ka Bhala ho.. rgds anil , Aravind Kumar <aravind_kumar_32> wrote: > > Greeting soul friends, > > God and Guru are in truth not different. Just as the prey that has fallen into the jaws of a tiger cannot escape, so those who have come under the glance of the Guru’s grace will surely be saved and will never be forsaken; yet one should follow without fail the path shown by the Guru. > > From Bhagavan’s (Sri Ramana’s) point of view there are no disciples but from the point of view of the disciple the grace of the Guru is like the ocean. If the disciple comes with a cup he will only get a cupful. It is no use complaining of the niggardliness of the ocean; the bigger the vessel the more he will be able to carry. It is entirely up to him. > > The term Guru is often loosely used to describe anyone who gives out spiritual advice, but in Sri Ramana’s vocabulary the word has a much more restricted definition. For him, a true Guru is someone who has realised the Self and who is able to use his power to assist others towards the goal of Self-realisation. > > Sri Ramana often said that God, Guru and the Self are > identical; the Guru is God in human form and, simultaneously, he is also the Self in the Heart of each devotee. Because he is both inside and outside, his powers work in two different ways. The outer Guru gives instructions and by his power enables the devotee to keep his attention on the Self; the inner Guru pulls the devotee’s mind back to its source, absorbs it in the Self and finally destroys it. > > It is a basic tenet of Sri Ramana’s teaching that a Guru is > necessary for almost everyone who is striving towards a > permanent awareness of the Self. The catalytic role of the Guru in spiritual development is therefore crucial; except in rare instances, ignorance of the Self is so deeply rooted that individual seekers are unable to escape from it by their own efforts. > > Although Sri Ramana taught that a Guru is indispensable for those seeking Self- realisation, he also pointed out that the Guru has no power to bring about realisation in those who are not energetically seeking it. If the individual seeker makes a serious attempt to discover the Self, then the grace and power of the Guru will automatically start to flow. If no such attempt is made, the Guru is helpless. > > Thank you > Aravind > > > > > > > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 cupful. It is no use complaining of the niggardliness of the ocean; the bigger the vessel the more he will be able to carry. It is entirely up to him. The term Guru is often loosely used to describe anyone who gives out spiritual advice, but in Sri Ramana’s vocabulary the word has a much more restricted definition. For him, a true Guru is someone who has realised the Self and who is able to use his power to assist others towards the goal of Self-realisation. Sri Ramana often said that God, Guru and the Self are identical; the Guru is God in human form and, simultaneously, he is also the Self in the Heart of each devotee. Because he is both inside and outside, his powers work in two different ways. The outer Guru gives instructions and by his power enables the devotee to keep his attention on the Self; the inner Guru pulls the devotee’s mind back to its source, absorbs it in the Self and finally destroys it. It is a basic tenet of Sri Ramana’s teaching that a Guru is necessary for almost everyone who is striving towards a permanent awareness of the Self. The catalytic role of the Guru in spiritual development is therefore crucial; except in rare instances, ignorance of the Self is so deeply rooted that individual seekers are unable to escape from it by their own efforts. Although Sri Ramana taught that a Guru is indispensable for those seeking Self-realisation, he also pointed out that the Guru has no power to bring about realisation in those who are not energetically seeking it. If the individual seeker makes a serious attempt to discover the Self, then the grace and power of the Guru will automatically start to flow. If no such attempt is made, the Guru is helpless. Thank you Aravind PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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