Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear Sadhaks, Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking about Karma ( and subsequently thinking abt the bondage and liberation and rebirths )..am i not liberated ? as i have no desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i ) !! Just watch life as it happens.. Is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a still mind ( no gyan/ dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself liberation..? Why i am asking this question in the forum is..with a still mind..i feel there is no seer/ seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating state..Infinite trenquality..may be this is the bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound starts..breath almost stops.. or is it just mind hypnosis ? Regards anil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 , anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > > Dear Sadhaks, > > Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking about Karma ( and subsequently > thinking abt the bondage and liberation and rebirths )..am i not liberated ? as i have no > desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i ) !! > > Just watch life as it happens.. > > Is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a still mind ( no gyan/ > dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself liberation..? > > Why i am asking this question in the forum is..with a still mind..i feel there is no seer/ > seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating state..Infinite trenquality..may be this is the > bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound starts..breath almost stops.. > > or is it just mind hypnosis ? > > Regards > anil > anil, Ramana maharshi once replied to this question,mind with no thoughts is one thing but no mind is totally different ball game.JK has described it as awareness,as long as the doubt persists its projection only.manolaya and mananasha are distinct entities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 In ignorance bliss. d d trivedi www.astrologertrivedi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I have been reading a book on Mh. Ramana's lectures..Be as you are.. Question is : when one reaches a no mind state.. how does one do the worldly activities.. especially a person in Grihstha Ashram ? i tried the self enquiry method..but only got a headache..a very severe one.. it leads no where.. How does one know that my present state is the no-mind state ? it lead me no where...at most i reached a state where there were no thoughts..it was so good and peacuful BUT.. Mh. Ramana says that even if Sadhak sees Lord Ram or Shiva..or reaches a state where there are no thoughts..even then sadhak should question..who is that is experiencing this state ?? ..as per him..God darshan is just an illusion.. regards anil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 heard from reliable sources that one has to practice Kundalini Yoga for 12 years successfully to overcome ego and other impurities so that a yogi qualify for attaining Jnana. The fire of Jnana will burn all three bodies. It is absolutely essential that you practice BRAHMACHARYA during this period if you want to achieve the Highest Goal of Life. Useful information for you. Insisting On Sadhana Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt">Many gurus and swamis don't insist on continued disciplines and sadhanas after a few inner accomplishments have been made. The beginning is the end of the course to them. These gurus and swamis are modern, and often take an easy approach of not putting excessive demands upon themselves or their devotees. Traditional Sanatana Dharma, however, insists on daily sadhana for the enlightened one who desires a greater on-going transformation and for the unenlightened who has little or no anticipation of becoming enlightened. Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt">Puja bells are heard ringing before sunrise throughout the homes of India in every city. In these early morning hours, men and women are priests and priestesses in their own home. Children learn shlokas; hatha yoga is a daily exercise; pranayama is done for maintaining a healthy mind and body. Discipline is the criterion of being a good citizen. In Hinduism it happens to be a religious discipline. The effects of abandoning the earlier yogas upon reaching a certain stage of spiritual unfoldment for gurus and swamis is reflected in the lives of their students. When they began to teach, they would not be inclined to take their devotees through the beginning stages; they would not impart the practices of the first two margas -- charya and kriya. They would be more inclined to start the beginners out at the upper stages, where they themselves are now, and abandon the beginning stages. This would be, and is, a mistake, one which many gurus and swamis have lived to regret when their own disciples began to compete with them or turned sour when unable to attain the expected results. Traditionally, the character has to be built within the devotee as a first and foremost platform before even the hint of an initiation into inner teaching is given. This purifying preparation involves repentance, confession and reconcilation through traditional prayashchitta, penance, to mitigate kukarmas. This crucial work often takes years to accomplish . Once some level of enlightenment has been attained, this is the time to intensify the sadhana, not to let up. When we let up on ourselves, the instinctive mind takes over. We are still living in a physical body. Therefore, one foot must always be kept firmly on the head of the snake of the instinctive-intellectual nature. The higher we go, the lower we can fall if precaution is not taken. Therefore, we must prepare devotees for a sudden or slow fall as well. They should land on the soft pillows of consistent daily sadhana, worship of God, Gods and guru, and the basic religious practices of karma yoga and bhakti yoga. Without these as a platform, they may slide down in consciousness, below the muladhara, into the chakras of fear, anger, doubt and depression. 13.5pt"> The scriptures are filled with stories of certain rishis who reached high levels, but had given up all their bhakti and japa. When difficult personal karma came, each fell deep into the lower nature, way below the muladhara, to become demon-like to society rather than a holy seer and a guiding force. The whole idea that bhakti is for beginners is a modern expedient. It was created by modern people who do not want to do the daily sadhanas, who do not believe the Gods really exist and who are so bound in their individual personality that they do not accept the reality that God is in and within everything. This nonbelief, lack of faith, changes their values very slowly at first, but changes them nonetheless into those that cry, "Personal freedom is what is sought, making the little ego big, and then bigger." Traditional disciplines and the spiritual teachers who know them so well nowadays come under the purview of these "free thinkers," later to regret it. This is similar to children being the head of the house, telling their parents what they will do, and what they will not do. Roman'"> Only the strongest and bravest souls can succeed in enlightenment and maintain and develop it until true wisdom comes as a boon. Therefore, we reaffirm, having attained a small degree of enlightenment, or a fuller enlightenment, stay enlightened, because mukti, the transference from the physical body through the top of the head at the point of death, has not yet occurred. And only after that happens are we enlightened forever. This is the beginning of the ultimate merging with Siva in a physical body! Thereafter follows vishvagrasa, the final, final, final merger whence there is no return, where jiva has in reality become Siva, as a bowl of water poured into the ocean becomes the ocean. There is no difference and no return. -----Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami Sivaya Namahanil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: Dear Sadhaks,Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking about Karma ( and subsequently thinking abt the bondage and liberation and rebirths )..am i not liberated ? as i have no desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i ) !!Just watch life as it happens..Is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a still mind ( no gyan/dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself liberation..? Why i am asking this question in the forum is..with a still mind..i feel there is no seer/seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating state..Infinite trenquality..may be this is the bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound starts..breath almost stops..or is it just mind hypnosis ?Regardsanil To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Thanks Selvarathnam This is really great info about the sadhanas... Regards Sesh [] On Behalf Of Selvaratnam Selvakumar05 January, 2006 6:45 PMTo: Subject: Re: Bhakti/Gnan/Karma Om Namah Sivaya Dear Anil, True Liberation means you become free from all three bodies, namely Physical, Subtle and Causal bodies. Lord Siva is called the destroyer of three cities because He frees souls from these bodies. When you become free from these three boundries, you are no longer Jiva you become Siva. When you become Siva via the Grace of Lord Siva, you will see everything WITHIN your own Self, there is nothing external to you, you will see everything as you, you will become all Knowing. Sri Adi Sankara stated that even entering God's world in not true liberation because you will still have a Causal body with divine ego, the one and only way to attain true liberation is to attain Jnana (Divine Wisdom). I have heard from reliable sources that one has to practice Kundalini Yoga for 12 years successfully to overcome ego and other impurities so that a yogi qualify for attaining Jnana. The fire of Jnana will burn all three bodies. It is absolutely essential that you practice BRAHMACHARYA during this period if you want to achieve the Highest Goal of Life. Useful information for you. Insisting On Sadhana Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt">Many gurus and swamis don't insist on continued disciplines and sadhanas after a few inner accomplishments have been made. The beginning is the end of the course to them. These gurus and swamis are modern, and often take an easy approach of not putting excessive demands upon themselves or their devotees. Traditional Sanatana Dharma, however, insists on daily sadhana for the enlightened one who desires a greater on-going transformation and for the unenlightened who has little or no anticipation of becoming enlightened. Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt">Puja bells are heard ringing before sunrise throughout the homes of India in every city. In these early morning hours, men and women are priests and priestesses in their own home. Children learn shlokas; hatha yoga is a daily exercise; pranayama is done for maintaining a healthy mind and body. Discipline is the criterion of being a good citizen. In Hinduism it happens to be a religious discipline. The effects of abandoning the earlier yogas upon reaching a certain stage of spiritual unfoldment for gurus and swamis is reflected in the lives of their students. When they began to teach, they would not be inclined to take their devotees through the beginning stages; they would not impart the practices of the first two margas -- charya and kriya. They would be more inclined to start the beginners out at the upper stages, where they themselves are now, and abandon the beginning stages. This would be, and is, a mistake, one which many gurus and swamis have lived to regret when their own disciples began to compete with them or turned sour when unable to attain the expected results. Traditionally, the character has to be built within the devotee as a first and foremost platform before even the hint of an initiation into inner teaching is given. This purifying preparation involves repentance, confession and reconcilation through traditional prayashchitta, penance, to mitigate kukarmas. This crucial work often takes years to accomplish .. Once some level of enlightenment has been attained, this is the time to intensify the sadhana, not to let up. When we let up on ourselves, the instinctive mind takes over. We are still living in a physical body. Therefore, one foot must always be kept firmly on the head of the snake of the instinctive-intellectual nature. The higher we go, the lower we can fall if precaution is not taken. Therefore, we must prepare devotees for a sudden or slow fall as well. They should land on the soft pillows of consistent daily sadhana, worship of God, Gods and guru, and the basic religious practices of karma yoga and bhakti yoga. Without these as a platform, they may slide down in consciousness, below the muladhara, into the chakras of fear, anger, doubt and depression. The scriptures are filled with stories of certain rishis who reached high levels, but had given up all their bhakti and japa. When difficult personal karma came, each fell deep into the lower nature, way below the muladhara, to become demon-like to society rather than a holy seer and a guiding force. The whole idea that bhakti is for beginners is a modern expedient. It was created by modern people who do not want to do the daily sadhanas, who do not believe the Gods really exist and who are so bound in their individual personality that they do not accept the reality that God is in and within everything. This nonbelief, lack of faith, changes their values very slowly at first, but changes them nonetheless into those that cry, "Personal freedom is what is sought, making the little ego big, and then bigger." Traditional disciplines and the spiritual teachers who know them so well nowadays come under the purview of these "free thinkers," later to regret it. This is similar to children being the head of the house, telling their parents what they will do, and what they will not do. Roman'"> Only the strongest and bravest souls can succeed in enlightenment and maintain and develop it until true wisdom comes as a boon. Therefore, we reaffirm, having attained a small degree of enlightenment, or a fuller enlightenment, stay enlightened, because mukti, the transference from the physical body through the top of the head at the point of death, has not yet occurred. And only after that happens are we enlightened forever. This is the beginning of the ultimate merging with Siva in a physical body! Thereafter follows vishvagrasa, the final, final, final merger whence there is no return, where jiva has in reality become Siva, as a bowl of water poured into the ocean becomes the ocean. There is no dif ference and no return. -----Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami Sivaya Namahanil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: Dear Sadhaks,Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking about Karma ( and subsequently thinking abt the bondage and liberation and rebirths )..am i not liberated ? as i have no desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i ) !!Just watch life a s it happens..Is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a still mind ( no gyan/dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself liberation..? Why i am asking this question in the forum is..with a still mind..i feel there is no seer/seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating state..Infinite trenquality..may be this is the bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound starts..breath almost stops..or is it just mind hypnosis ?Regardsanil To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Dear Selvakumar, Do you practice meditation and pranayam? Regards, Bhupendra , Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk> wrote: > > Om Namah Sivaya > > Dear Anil, > > True Liberation means you become free from all three bodies, namely Physical, Subtle > and Causal bodies. Lord Siva is called the destroyer of three cities because He > frees souls from these bodies. When you become free from these three boundries, you are no longer Jiva you become Siva. When you become Siva via the Grace of Lord Siva, you will see everything WITHIN your own Self, there is nothing external to you, you will see everything as you, you will become all Knowing. > > Sri Adi Sankara stated that even entering God's world in not true liberation because you will still have a Causal body with divine ego, the one and only way to attain true liberation is to attain Jnana (Divine Wisdom). I have heard from reliable sources that one has to practice Kundalini Yoga for 12 years successfully to overcome ego and other impurities so that a yogi qualify for attaining Jnana. The fire of Jnana will burn all three bodies. It is absolutely essential that you practice BRAHMACHARYA during this period if you want to achieve the Highest Goal of Life. > > > Useful information for you. > > Insisting On Sadhana > > Many gurus and swamis don't insist on continued disciplines and sadhanas after a few inner accomplishments have been made. The beginning is the end of the course to them. These gurus and swamis are modern, and often take an easy approach of not putting excessive demands upon themselves or their devotees. Traditional Sanatana Dharma, however, insists on daily sadhana for the enlightened one who desires a greater on-going transformation and for the unenlightened who has little or no anticipation of becoming enlightened. > > Puja bells are heard ringing before sunrise throughout the homes of India in every city. In these early morning hours, men and women are priests and priestesses in their own home. Children learn shlokas; hatha yoga is a daily exercise; pranayama is done for maintaining a healthy mind and body. Discipline is the criterion of being a good citizen. In Hinduism it happens to be a religious discipline. The effects of abandoning the earlier yogas upon reaching a certain stage of spiritual unfoldment for gurus and swamis is reflected in the lives of their students. When they began to teach, they would not be inclined to take their devotees through the beginning stages; they would not impart the practices of the first two margas -- charya and kriya. They would be more inclined to start the beginners out at the upper stages, where they themselves are now, and abandon the beginning stages. This would be, and is, a mistake, one which many gurus and swamis have lived to regret when their own > disciples began to compete with them or turned sour when unable to attain the expected results. Traditionally, the character has to be built within the devotee as a first and foremost platform before even the hint of an initiation into inner teaching is given. This purifying preparation involves repentance, confession and reconcilation through traditional prayashchitta, penance, to mitigate kukarmas. This crucial work often takes years to accomplish > . > Once some level of enlightenment has been attained, this is the time to intensify the sadhana, not to let up. When we let up on ourselves, the instinctive mind takes over. We are still living in a physical body. Therefore, one foot must always be kept firmly on the head of the snake of the instinctive-intellectual nature. The higher we go, the lower we can fall if precaution is not taken. Therefore, we must prepare devotees for a sudden or slow fall as well. They should land on the soft pillows of consistent daily sadhana, worship of God, Gods and guru, and the basic religious practices of karma yoga and bhakti yoga. Without these as a platform, they may slide down in consciousness, below the muladhara, into the chakras of fear, anger, doubt and depression. > > The scriptures are filled with stories of certain rishis who reached high levels, but had given up all their bhakti and japa. When difficult personal karma came, each fell deep into the lower nature, way below the muladhara, to become demon-like to society rather than a holy seer and a guiding force. > > The whole idea that bhakti is for beginners is a modern expedient. It was created by modern people who do not want to do the daily sadhanas, who do not believe the Gods really exist and who are so bound in their individual personality that they do not accept the reality that God is in and within everything. This nonbelief, lack of faith, changes their values very slowly at first, but changes them nonetheless into those that cry, "Personal freedom is what is sought, making the little ego big, and then bigger." Traditional disciplines and the spiritual teachers who know them so well nowadays come under the purview of these "free thinkers," later to regret it. This is similar to children being the head of the house, telling their parents what they will do, and what they will not do. > > Only the strongest and bravest souls can succeed in enlightenment and maintain and develop it until true wisdom comes as a boon. Therefore, we reaffirm, having attained a small degree of enlightenment, or a fuller enlightenment, stay enlightened, because mukti, the transference from the physical body through the top of the head at the point of death, has not yet occurred. And only after that happens are we enlightened forever. This is the beginning of the ultimate merging with Siva in a physical body! Thereafter follows vishvagrasa, the final, final, final merger whence there is no return, where jiva has in reality become Siva, as a bowl of water poured into the ocean becomes the ocean. There is no difference and no return. > -----Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami > > Sivaya Namah > > anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > > Dear Sadhaks, > > Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking about Karma ( and subsequently > thinking abt the bondage and liberation and rebirths )..am i not liberated ? as i have no > desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i ) !! > > Just watch life as it happens.. > > Is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a still mind ( no gyan/ > dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself liberation..? > > Why i am asking this question in the forum is..with a still mind..i feel there is no seer/ > seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating state..Infinite trenquality..may be this is the > bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound starts..breath almost stops.. > > or is it just mind hypnosis ? > > Regards > anil > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 When one is sitting quite and still with no chanting of any Mantra, more and more Cosmic energy flows in. One attains the stage of no breath stage. It gives a tickling touch in "Aajna Chakra". This clears the cosnic blocks in the physical body and awakes Kundalini. The next stage the experience of different styles of actions like hearing of Sounds, Aum Sound, different scenes which are known and unknown. The next stage is separation of subtle body from physical body yet connected by a silver cord with physical body. The subtle body travels in different planes and experiences unknown things of material world. It makes one to realise the goal. So It is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a still mind ( no gyan/dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ). This leads to liberation. AUM Namah Shivaya On 1/4/06, anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: Dear Sadhaks,Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking about Karma ( and subsequently thinking abt the bondage and liberation and rebirths )..am i not liberated ? as i have no desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i ) !!Just watch life as it happens..Is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a still mind ( no gyan/ dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself liberation..? Why i am asking this question in the forum is..with a still mind..i feel there is no seer/seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating state..Infinite trenquality..may be this is the bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound starts..breath almost stops..or is it just mind hypnosis ?Regardsanil Lord shiva Visit your group "" on the web. -- KS Rao,Navi MumbaiCell: 93242 94531 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Sri Rao Ji, I already hear OM sound. Astral body travels to astral planes every night in deep sleep..and silver cord is the only distinction on those planes whether the subtle body is still linked to a body..so this is not something which is to be sought....there are even akashic records which is the blue print of each and every soul - history, present and future..one can even look at the akashic records of other souls..there are spiritual guides..spiritual schools.. i have myself experienced this travel..which is OBE.. There is a very good biofeedback instrument which tests how much energy one is able to draw from cosmos..i succedded in that as well. but there is still something beyond this ..and that is WE GET WHAT WE WANT IN THIS LIFE..this is the ultimate programming of the universe..so it is a game.. Why to fall in this trap ? of no-mind or mind with no thoughts..why even have this belief that we have a soul which needs liberation..that is the basic question !!.. remember..it is an experience..what see we believe ..be in awakened state..or in dhyan..and we tend to believe that.. if my belief is that i am a soul bound in karma and so and so path is slated by realized persons or in scriptures , then it becomes a desire to traverse that path..and then the new game starts.. Why have any belief to limit oneself ?? That i am sat-chit-ananda or I am shiva..is again a belief..and i will continue to hover in that plane forever.. until i believe that i am timeless, limitless and have all those traits which are GODDISH..how can i be GOD ? Be aware scriptures are only stepping stones..which may just be there as another game !! Om namah shivaya ( since i am still in dark and need a peg ( khoonti ).. regards anil , KS Rao <kasturisrao@g...> wrote: > > Sh.Anil, > > When one is sitting quite and still with no chanting of any Mantra, more > and more Cosmic energy flows in. One attains the stage of no breath stage. > It gives a tickling touch in "Aajna Chakra". This clears the cosnic blocks > in the physical body and awakes Kundalini. > > The next stage the experience of different styles of actions like hearing of > Sounds, Aum Sound, different scenes which are known and unknown. The next > stage is separation of subtle body from physical body yet connected by a > silver cord with physical body. > > The subtle body travels in different planes and experiences unknown things > of material world. It makes one to realise the goal. > > So It is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a > still mind ( no gyan/ > dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ). This leads to liberation. > > > > AUM Namah Shivaya > > > On 1/4/06, anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > > > > Dear Sadhaks, > > > > Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking about Karma ( and > > subsequently > > thinking abt the bondage and liberation and rebirths )..am i not liberated > > ? as i have no > > desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i ) !! > > > > Just watch life as it happens.. > > > > Is not the effortless living and watching life as it happens with a still > > mind ( no gyan/ > > dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself liberation..? > > > > Why i am asking this question in the forum is..with a still mind..i feel > > there is no seer/ > > seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating state..Infinite trenquality..may > > be this is the > > bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound starts..breath almost > > stops.. > > > > or is it just mind hypnosis ? > > > > Regards > > anil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva</gads? t=ms&k=Lord+shiva&w1=Lord+shiva&c=1&s=16&.sig=OAeTVpNdu4gIgpXCJOVmEQ> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "< >" > > on the web. > > > > - > > - (AT) (DOT) com<? subject=Un> > > > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > KS Rao, > Navi Mumbai > Cell: 93242 94531 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Sir Pranam. Has Shiva not dissolved HIMSELF in HIS creation..? and since SHIVA is ALL, can we say that HE or ALLTHAT IS - is already liberated. ..? In your reply, basic assumption is that we are bonded.. but the question is What is to be realized ?? If i say all are already liberated..at once everyone's reaction will be ..what rubbish..but i request that you probe that - who is that which resists !! it is the mind..if i donot resist..then where is the question of bondage or liberation ? 12 years of Kundalini Yoga leads to liberation is a belief..pl. give it a thought.. Why not have a belief that i already did that in my hundreds of past re-incarnations..? and i am already liberated.. i know list will answer that since i have a dehi thence i am not liberated..but then one who says so is saying bcose of the conditioning - be it the past seers or the knowledge..or a desire to gain knowledge..our intellect.. sometimes i feel that if no mind is the salvation..then every Jaad and chetan in this world except human beings are already liberated !! Few thoughts..bcose my script of this life ( not bonded just the life - without any judgement ) is to learn and share my experiences.. Om namah Shivaya..or rather Saab Gorakh Ki Maya..Kabhi Dhoop kabhi Chhaya.. why not say I AM THE TRUTH !! anil , Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk> wrote: > > Om Namah Sivaya > > Dear Anil, > > True Liberation means you become free from all three bodies, namely Physical, Subtle > and Causal bodies. Lord Siva is called the destroyer of three cities because He > frees souls from these bodies. When you become free from these three boundries, you are no longer Jiva you become Siva. When you become Siva via the Grace of Lord Siva, you will see everything WITHIN your own Self, there is nothing external to you, you will see everything as you, you will become all Knowing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear Anilji, I certainly agree with you when you say that we are all liberated, yes we are made that way, because we (souls) are extension of God. but the problem is ego clouds our liberation, only through love we can clear that cloud and be liberated. rest all is simple ego and our efforts to satisfy ego. if you look at all the great souls who are enlightened like Jesus christ, Shiridi Saibaba, ramakrishna paramahamsa, swami vivekananda, Mahatama Gandhi, etc, they only talk about love, compassion, sharing and caring, there is nothing beyond these, they dont talk about energy raising, kundalini etc, because when we realise gods love all these will happen naturally, this will happen when we learn to give and share. When we learn to fulfill our responsibilities without escaping from it.There is no greater path than charity and compassion. On namah shivaya, Divakar. --- anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > Sri Rao Ji, > > I already hear OM sound. Astral body travels to > astral planes every night in deep > sleep..and silver cord is the only distinction on > those planes whether the subtle body is > still linked to a body..so this is not something > which is to be sought....there are even > akashic records which is the blue print of each and > every soul - history, present and > future..one can even look at the akashic records of > other souls..there are spiritual > guides..spiritual schools.. > > i have myself experienced this travel..which is > OBE.. > > There is a very good biofeedback instrument which > tests how much energy one is able > to draw from cosmos..i succedded in that as well. > > but there is still something beyond this ..and that > is > > WE GET WHAT WE WANT IN THIS LIFE..this is the > ultimate programming of the > universe..so it is a game.. > > Why to fall in this trap ? > > of no-mind or mind with no thoughts..why even have > this belief that we have a soul > which needs liberation..that is the basic question > !!.. > > remember..it is an experience..what see we believe > ..be in awakened state..or in > dhyan..and we tend to believe that.. > > if my belief is that i am a soul bound in karma and > so and so path is slated by realized > persons or in scriptures , then it becomes a desire > to traverse that path..and then the > new game starts.. > > Why have any belief to limit oneself ?? > > That i am sat-chit-ananda or I am shiva..is again a > belief..and i will continue to hover > in that plane forever.. > > until i believe that i am timeless, limitless and > have all those traits which are > GODDISH..how can i be GOD ? > > Be aware scriptures are only stepping stones..which > may just be there as another > game !! > > Om namah shivaya ( since i am still in dark and need > a peg ( khoonti ).. > > regards > anil > > > , KS > Rao <kasturisrao@g...> > wrote: > > > > Sh.Anil, > > > > When one is sitting quite and still with no > chanting of any Mantra, more > > and more Cosmic energy flows in. One attains the > stage of no breath stage. > > It gives a tickling touch in "Aajna Chakra". This > clears the cosnic blocks > > in the physical body and awakes Kundalini. > > > > The next stage the experience of different styles > of actions like hearing of > > Sounds, Aum Sound, different scenes which are > known and unknown. The next > > stage is separation of subtle body from physical > body yet connected by a > > silver cord with physical body. > > > > The subtle body travels in different planes and > experiences unknown things > > of material world. It makes one to realise the > goal. > > > > So It is not the effortless living and watching > life as it happens with a > > still mind ( no gyan/ > > dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ). This > leads to liberation. > > > > > > > > AUM Namah Shivaya > > > > > > On 1/4/06, anil_bindal2000 > <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sadhaks, > > > > > > Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking > about Karma ( and > > > subsequently > > > thinking abt the bondage and liberation and > rebirths )..am i not liberated > > > ? as i have no > > > desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i > ) !! > > > > > > Just watch life as it happens.. > > > > > > Is not the effortless living and watching life > as it happens with a still > > > mind ( no gyan/ > > > dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself > liberation..? > > > > > > Why i am asking this question in the forum > is..with a still mind..i feel > > > there is no seer/ > > > seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating > state..Infinite trenquality..may > > > be this is the > > > bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound > starts..breath almost > > > stops.. > > > > > > or is it just mind hypnosis ? > > > > > > Regards > > > anil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva</gads? > t=ms&k=Lord+shiva&w1=Lord+shiva&c=1&s=16&.sig=OAeTVpNdu4gIgpXCJOVmEQ> > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your group > "< > >" > > > on the web. > > > > > > - To from this group, send an > email to: > > > > - (AT) (DOT) > com<? > subject=Un> > > > > > > - Your use of is subject to > the Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > KS Rao, > > Navi Mumbai > > Cell: 93242 94531 > > > > > > > > > > ________ DSL – Something to write home about. 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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Sir, Sometimes, i get intrigued why Hanuman Ji rejected Moksha in favor of Bhakti for Sri Ram ! And Hanuman Ji is Amar and is a form of Lord Shiva.. Answer to above has the key to question - whether we in this world are bonded or liberated ? Om Namah Shivaya anil , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: > > Dear Anilji, > > I certainly agree with you when you say that we are > all liberated, yes we are made that way, because we > (souls) are extension of God. but the problem is ego > clouds our liberation, only through love we can clear > that cloud and be liberated. rest all is simple ego > and our efforts to satisfy ego. > > if you look at all the great souls who are enlightened > like Jesus christ, Shiridi Saibaba, ramakrishna > paramahamsa, swami vivekananda, Mahatama Gandhi, > etc, they only talk about love, compassion, sharing > and caring, there is nothing beyond these, they dont > talk about energy raising, kundalini etc, because when > we realise gods love all these will happen naturally, > this will happen when we learn to give and share. When > we learn to fulfill our responsibilities without > escaping from it.There is no greater path than charity > and compassion. > > On namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > > > Sri Rao Ji, > > > > I already hear OM sound. Astral body travels to > > astral planes every night in deep > > sleep..and silver cord is the only distinction on > > those planes whether the subtle body is > > still linked to a body..so this is not something > > which is to be sought....there are even > > akashic records which is the blue print of each and > > every soul - history, present and > > future..one can even look at the akashic records of > > other souls..there are spiritual > > guides..spiritual schools.. > > > > i have myself experienced this travel..which is > > OBE.. > > > > There is a very good biofeedback instrument which > > tests how much energy one is able > > to draw from cosmos..i succedded in that as well. > > > > but there is still something beyond this ..and that > > is > > > > WE GET WHAT WE WANT IN THIS LIFE..this is the > > ultimate programming of the > > universe..so it is a game.. > > > > Why to fall in this trap ? > > > > of no-mind or mind with no thoughts..why even have > > this belief that we have a soul > > which needs liberation..that is the basic question > > !!.. > > > > remember..it is an experience..what see we believe > > ..be in awakened state..or in > > dhyan..and we tend to believe that.. > > > > if my belief is that i am a soul bound in karma and > > so and so path is slated by realized > > persons or in scriptures , then it becomes a desire > > to traverse that path..and then the > > new game starts.. > > > > Why have any belief to limit oneself ?? > > > > That i am sat-chit-ananda or I am shiva..is again a > > belief..and i will continue to hover > > in that plane forever.. > > > > until i believe that i am timeless, limitless and > > have all those traits which are > > GODDISH..how can i be GOD ? > > > > Be aware scriptures are only stepping stones..which > > may just be there as another > > game !! > > > > Om namah shivaya ( since i am still in dark and need > > a peg ( khoonti ).. > > > > regards > > anil > > > > > > , KS > > Rao <kasturisrao@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sh.Anil, > > > > > > When one is sitting quite and still with no > > chanting of any Mantra, more > > > and more Cosmic energy flows in. One attains the > > stage of no breath stage. > > > It gives a tickling touch in "Aajna Chakra". This > > clears the cosnic blocks > > > in the physical body and awakes Kundalini. > > > > > > The next stage the experience of different styles > > of actions like hearing of > > > Sounds, Aum Sound, different scenes which are > > known and unknown. The next > > > stage is separation of subtle body from physical > > body yet connected by a > > > silver cord with physical body. > > > > > > The subtle body travels in different planes and > > experiences unknown things > > > of material world. It makes one to realise the > > goal. > > > > > > So It is not the effortless living and watching > > life as it happens with a > > > still mind ( no gyan/ > > > dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ). This > > leads to liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > AUM Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > On 1/4/06, anil_bindal2000 > > <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sadhaks, > > > > > > > > Without any Bhakti, Gyan/knowledge or Thinking > > about Karma ( and > > > > subsequently > > > > thinking abt the bondage and liberation and > > rebirths )..am i not liberated > > > > ? as i have no > > > > desire to know form/no-form ( including who am i > > ) !! > > > > > > > > Just watch life as it happens.. > > > > > > > > Is not the effortless living and watching life > > as it happens with a still > > > > mind ( no gyan/ > > > > dhyan and bothering about law of Karma ) itself > > liberation..? > > > > > > > > Why i am asking this question in the forum > > is..with a still mind..i feel > > > > there is no seer/ > > > > seen/sight..no judgement..just a floating > > state..Infinite trenquality..may > > > > be this is the > > > > bliss..in this state the constant pitch sound > > starts..breath almost > > > > stops.. > > > > > > > > or is it just mind hypnosis ? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > anil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva</gads? > > > t=ms&k=Lord+shiva&w1=Lord+shiva&c=1&s=16&. sig=OAeTVpNdu4gIgpXCJOVmEQ> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit your group > > > "< > > >" > > > > on the web. > > > > > > > > - To from this group, send an > > email to: > > > > > > - (AT) (DOT) > > > com<? > > subject=Un> > > > > > > > > - Your use of is subject to > > the Terms of > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > KS Rao, > > > Navi Mumbai > > > Cell: 93242 94531 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > DSL – Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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