Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 dear shiva bhakts om namo bhagawate rudraya let us close this subject for once and all. lord shiva in rudra form says that he is the supreme power and all gods and goddesses including brahma, vishnu are all his forms only. this group is formed with an objective of praising the glory of lord shiva and sing his songs and seek his blessings. those who want to worship on other forms and praise other forms are at liberty to google (search) for those groups and join them. in praise of lord shiva arjun pandit moderator , "Suryanadi" <suryanadi@w...> wrote: > > Namaste to all Shiva devotees, > > There is a question inside me to dr. jaya: Do you use dhoop???? Alcohol??? other drugs??? Do you feel well??? > I guess it could be you have found the wrong group! If not....so why do you post just a lot about Krishna or Vishnu, trying to put Parameshwara Shiva under their feet??? What peculiar mode of expression of somebody, is indirectly and partly directly the opinion, he would have leased the wisdom! The way, operates like you with insults, insinuations and immoderate fury in this group, does not testify from wisdom or knowledge. What should these insults cause? > These peculiar mails remind me of person who are wrecked spiritually. You insult Shiva and Ma Jagadambe, you are afraid of not offending the devotees of Shiva. How ill somebody must be, which tried seriously (how ridiculously!) wants to explain that Parameshwara gopi was and occasionally a flute of Krishna? Did you ever heard about Prabhupada? This man spread Krishna belief by talking and writing books and always said Shiva is no more than a demigod! Krishna is the supreme being, so he said! This is more than only a mistake, this is a crime to me! > If your idol is Krishna, ok, then worship him but don´t insult the devotees of Shiva! STOP this crazy tales about Shiva living in Vaikuntha!!!! > Shiva is Brahman, is Atman, is all! > Thus, by Siva's Grace a votary may attain faith in Krishna. > Siva in fact states that those who oppress Vaisnavas will be punished > by Krishna and that the hearts of non-vaisnavas are impure He further > exclaims that Vaisnavas are DEARER to HIM than HIS OWN followers. > > If I would tell you to go to Vaikuntha, because there is a great celebration and all are welcome....would you believe it??? I guess you would!! > As well as you believe nearly everything! BUT....it has to be spoken by a devotee of Krishna or Vishnu. > I like Vishnu and also Krishna, but Shiva is Parameshwara, whether you´ll believe it or not. I took a look to the site and http://koausa.org/Gods/Ram1.jpg > > I am still stunned and horrifies about these distortions of Shiva and Ma Jagadambe! Stop please immediately with these insults! > > By the way, if a devotee of Shiva hears someone insulting Shiva and doesn´t stop, he or she will be also a sinner. This is said by Ma Jagadambe! > > I do hope Shiva will forgive you and me too. You can be sure, I will not write any mail to you or other Vishnu/Krishna devotees who are trying to insult Parameshwara again and again! keep Your life- style if it is the right life-style for you! I will not dirty myself further with it to read postings which do insult my beloved Shiva. > > SHIVA IS OUR FATHER! SHIVA IS BABA! SHIVA IS PARAMESHWARA!...It doesn´ t matter if you like it or not! I feel compassion with you because you have not done this experience yet. > > OM namah Shivay, HAR HAR MAHADEVA! > > suryanadi, a tiny star* of almighty Shiva > > -- ------------------ > > Message: 18 > Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:15:23 -0000 > "dr. jaya" <pyari_h> > Re: Glory of Lord Siva > > Namaste all. _/\_ > > When Lord Krishna and Radharani played the magnificent Divine dance of > 'Maha Raasa Lila', Shankar Bhagavan entered the Lila as a Gopi. > > Thus He became popular with the Name Gopi-Isvara. > > There is a temple in Vrindavan for 'Gopisvara', Whom all Vrajavasis > worship with love. During the day the Lord Ishvara is worshipped in > His Shiva Linga form and in the 'Gopi' decoration during evenings! > > Lord Siva Himself is the Master of Music. Worshippers of Nada Brahma, > the Sound Incarnate of Lord, accept Him as their Guru. > > Some Rasik Saints say Lord Siva is Lord Krishna's 'Flute'. > They are alsi right in the sense, that because the 'Flute' is > Krishna's 'Priya Sakhi' and Sivaji too has transformed Himself to > become His Gopi, any way. > > This verse from 'Brahma-Samhita-56', which is very dear to Gauranga > Mahaprabhu confirms - "..vaMzI priya sakhI..." > > The verse 45 of 'Sri Brahma Samahitam' gives another kind of > transformation - > > "kSIraM yathA dadhi vikAra vizeSa yogAt > saJjAyate na hi pRthag asti hetoH > yaH zambhu tAm api tathA samupaiti kAryAd > govindam AdipuruSaM tam ahaM bhajAmi" > > Meaning: Just as milk itself is transformed into curd (yogurt), but > yet they both are neither SAME nor DIFFERENT from each other, so also > I adore my Beloved primeveal Lord Govinda, Who has transformed Himself > into Lord Shiva for the performance of divine lilas. > > Here are some more excerpts, taken from Brahma Vaivarta Purana in > relation to Lord Siva. > > "Lord Siva is said to be a portion of Lord Krishna and arise out of > the left side of Krshna's body. > > "vAmarddhAGgo mahAdevo > dakSiNo gopikApatiH" > > The left half became Siva and the right became the Husband of Gopis. > He is dearly loved by Krishna. > The BVP says it is sin to slander Siva, Who is dearer to Krishna than > His own life. > Krishna Himself declares: > > "Among my favorites Brahma is dear to Me. > Lakshmi, ever residing on my chest, is dearer than Brahma. > Radha is yet dearer, and my devotees are dearer still. > Dearest of all is Shankara (Siva); no one is dearer than He. > > My heart resides with my devotees, My life with Radha. > My Self with Sankara, who is dearer than My life." > > (Bkh,Pkh, KJkh of BVP) > > Those who are the Excellant Portions of Krishna are intensely devoted > to Him. > It is not surprising then that Siva, a Portion of Krishna, is His Devotee. > We find frequent references to Siva as the BEST OF VAISNAVAS. > > Accordingly, Siva seeks to become the Servant of Krishna and confesses > His own dependence upon the latter. > > Siva is often portrayed as in constant MEDITATION ON KRISHNA, WEEPING, > DANCING with ECSTACY of devotion. > > Of all those who know Krishna, it is Siva, the BEST OF VAISNAVAS, who > knows Him best. > > Lord Ramacandra has declared in Sri Rama Carita Manas: > > aurau eka guputa mata sabahi kahaum kara jori, > shankara bhajana binaa nara bhagati na paavai mori > > With folded hands I now lay before you one MORE SECRET doctrine: > WITHOUT ADORING Lord Shankara NO MAN can ATTAIN loving DEVOTION to ME. > > http://koausa.org/Gods/Ram1.jpg > > Thus, by Siva's Grace a votary may attain faith in Krishna. > Siva in fact states that those who oppress Vaisnavas will be punished > by Krishna and that the hearts of non-vaisnavas are impure He further > exclaims that Vaisnavas are DEARER to HIM than HIS OWN followers. > > Krishna, Who is filled with Love for His devotees, has made Siva equal > to Himself on account of Siva's DEEP Devotion. > Krishna asserts that Siva is fully His EQUAL in splendour, knoweledge > and virtue. > Further, the Divine Forms or Bodies (Sat-Chit-Ananda vigrahas) of Siva > and Krishna alone are Eternal, not those of other beings. > > It is through Siva's Devotion to Krishna, finally, not MERE EQUALITY, > but actual IDENTITY is apparently attained: > > 'svapne jAgaraNe zazvath kRSNa dhyAna rataH > zivaH > yathA kRSNA stathA zambhur na bhedo mAdhavezayoH" > > (Brahma Vaivarta Purana-Prakriti khanda II.56.61) > > "Sleeping or awake, Siva is constantly absorbed in MEDITATION of KRISHNA. > AS IS KRISHNA, SO IS SAMBHU; THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between MADHAVA > and ISA" > > 'yo hariH sa zivaH sAkSAd yaH zivaH sa svayaM hariH > ye tayor bhedamAti sthan narakAya bhave nnaraH" > > (Visnu purana.5.33.46) > > "Whoever is Lord Hari, He Himself is Lord Shiva indeed. > Whoever is manifesting as Lord Shiva, He Himself is Lord Hari. > Any humanbeing mistakes both the Lords to be different, he/she surely > goes to hell. > > In Vishnu Purana also, VISHNU declares HIS NON DIFFERENCE from SIVA. > (V.P.5.33.46-48) > > Here we find, full justification for the statement in the Narada > PancaRatra concerning the BVP as teaching the NON DIFFERENCE between > HARI AND HARA. > > Often we are told that whoever does not worship the Linga of Siva > commits a great sin and goes to hell. > > Krishna says to Siva: > "Who, having constructed Your linga of clay, joined with Prakriti > (yoni), at a place of piligrimage, worships it a thousand times with > devotion... > He shall rejoice with Me in GOLOKA for crore of Kalpas. > And who worships at that place a lakh of lingas, with proper > offerings, Shall not fall from GOLOKA; He shall be equal to US. > > Saivaite devotional practices lead, then, to the ultimate goal of the > Vaisnavas. > > In Brahma-Samhita the relationship of Lord Siva and Lord Govinda are > compared to that of milk and yogurt. Milk itself becomes TRANSFORMED > into yogurt. > Similarly, though They both are possessing the same transcendental > attributes, They PERFORM different divine pastimes. > > "yathA ziva mayo viSNuH > zivasya hRdayaM viSNur viSNoz > ca hRdayaM zivaH" > > (Skanda Purana) > > Just as Lord Vishnu is pervaded by Lord Shiva, > similarly, in Siva's heart Vishnu resides and Vishnu's heart is the > abode of Shiva. > > In Caitanya Caritamrita, Mahaprabhu's eternal Associate Sri > Advaitacarya is said to be Lord Sadasiva, who always says, > > "I am the servant of Lord Krishna." > > Intoxicated by ecstatic Love for Krishna, He becomes overwhelmed and > incessantly dances without clothing and sings about Lord Krishna's > qualities and pastimes. > > "nimnagAnAM yathA gaMgA devAnAm acyuto yathA > vaiSNavAnAM yathA zambhuH purANAnAm idaM tathA > kSetrANAM caiva sarveSAM yathA kAzI hyonuttamA > tathA purANa vratAnAM zrI mad bhAgavataM dvijAH " > > (Srimad Bhagavatam 12.13.17) > > Just as the celestial Ganges is the most Holy among all the flowing > rivers, > just as Lord Krishna is the Supreme among all Divine Personalties, > just as Lord Siva is the most Exalted Lover of Vishnu, > just as the City of Kasi is the most Sacred among all Holy places, > Srimad Bhagavatam is also the most fulfilling vow as well as the most > elevated Scripture among all other auspicious Puranas. > > In the Padma Purana, it is said: > > ArAdhanAnAM sarvezam viSNor ArAdhanam param > tasmAt parataraM devI tadIyAnam samArcanam > > Once, Parvati devi asked Lord Siva, > "Of all kinds of worship, whose worship is best?" > > Then, Lord Siva told her plainly, "The worship and devotional service > of Lord Narayana, Visnu, is the highest." > > Then Parvati became a little mortified and disappointed, thinking, > "But I am serving Siva, so I hold a lower position." > > Then the next line came - tasmAt parataraM devI tadiyAnam samArcanam. > > "But higher than the worship of Narayana is worship of the devotees of > Lord Narayana. That is even greater than devotion to the Lord Himself." > > Then, Parvati smiled, thinking, "Then I am serving the devotee of the > Lord. Siva is a devotee: vaiSNavAnam yathA zambhuH. So, I am doing the > best thing." > > This is also confirmed by Krishna, in the Adi Purana : > > ye me bhakta-janAH pArtha ne me bhaktas ca te janaH > mad bhaktAnAM ca ye bhaktas te me bhaktatama mataH > > "Those who worship Me directly are not real devotees; real devotees > are those who are devoted to My devotees." > > Prayers to Lord Shiva - > > "jagadguro namastubhyaM > zivAya zivadAya ca > yogIndrANAm ca yogIndra > gurUNAM gurave namaH" > > "Salutations unto Thee, O Spiritual Master of the universe. > Thou art the Lord auspicious and the Giver of Divine bliss, > the foremost of the perfect Yogis, the Teacher of all teachers. > Salutations unto Thee." > > (BVP 4.30.43) > > Another prayer for Shivaji says- > > "haste 'kSa mAlA hRdi kRSNa tattvaM > jihvAgra bhAge vara rAma mantraM > yan mastake kezava pAda tirthaM > zivaM 'mahA bhAgavatAM' namAmi" > > Adi Jagadguru Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada prayed: > > I salute to Lord Shiva, the Supreme Devotee, (Maha Bhagavata) > in Whose hand is the a-ksha (A to Z) garland of beads, > in Whose heart is the reservoir of Divine essence of Lord Krishna, > on Whose tongue is ever residing the Name of His Beloved Rama, > on Whose head is ever flowing sacred water that washes the > lotus-feet of Lord Keshava. > > Prayer from 'Lingashtakam': > > brahma murAri surArcita lingam > nirmalabhAsita zobhita lingam > janmaja duHkha vinAzaka lingam > tat praNamAmi sadAziva lingam > > I bow before that Sada Shiva Linga, which is adored by Brahma, Vishnu > and other Gods, which is praised by pure and holy speeches and which > destroys the cycle of births and deaths. > > Jai Hari-Hara, Mahaadeva Shambho! > > http://www.dgreetings.com/newimages/shivratri/shivani3.gif > > Jaya Sri Radhey! > > , "Beatrix Mankel" > <suryanadi@w...> wrote: > > Maybe it is > > better to forgive them, because most of the Krishna sects are > > unknowing and are manipulated. Nobody has to insult Shiva! If > > anybody does it, he will have to suffer. So if they wish going this > > way, ok, then it could be a heavy road...without Shivas grace. > > > > > Message: 21 > Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:49:56 -0000 > "b_jamnadas" <b_jamnadas> > Re: Glory of Lord Siva in Simad Bhagavatam > > Dear Suryanadi ji, > > What you are saying is so true. I probably shouldn't be saying this > but the hare Krishna movement....well lets just say the world would > have been better without it. People these days simply have no better > thing to do than to impose ones own ideas on others. These people > don't undertstand that Siva, that supreme brahman has manifested in > so many different forms and any deity that one prays to, either > knowingly or unknowingly, is praying to they supreme brahman and it > is the compasssion of this supreme brahman that these people don;t > have to suffer the wrath of this supreme brahman, but the path tho > Siva realization would be easyfor such people. > > Nobody is free from Sivas maya. Even Brahma once made the mistake of > thinking Rudra to be his son just becuase Rudra emerged from > Brahma's body. hat to talk about ordinary people who don;t know how > to solve problems and mysteries in their own life yet claim to have > an answer to Sivas lila, yet at the same time do not recognise Suiva > as the supreme brahma....but than again it is all Sivas lila. > > Sincerely, > BJ > > , "Beatrix Mankel" > <suryanadi@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear brother, > > > > I really understand your anger and guess most of all true devotees > > of Parameshwara Shiva will do the same. Indeed, in the meantime, I > > feel sad for those which are caught in this illusion. They will > > still probably have to experience several rebirths. Maybe it is > > better to forgive them, because most of the Krishna sects are > > unknowing and are manipulated. Nobody has to insult Shiva! If > > anybody does it, he will have to suffer. So if they wish going > this > > way, ok, then it could be a heavy road...without Shivas grace. > > > > Blessings to all of you, OM namah Shivay, HAR HAR MAHADEVA! > > > > Suryanadi, a tiny star* of Almighty Shiva, the ONLY ONE! > > > > -- ---- > Links > > > > > -- ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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