Re:dr. jaya and Krishna - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

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Namaste to all Shiva devotees,

 

There is a question inside me to dr. jaya: Do you use dhoop???? Alcohol??? other

drugs??? Do you feel well???

I guess it could be you have found the wrong group! If not....so why do you post

just a lot about Krishna or Vishnu, trying to put Parameshwara Shiva under their

feet??? What peculiar mode of expression of somebody, is indirectly and partly

directly the opinion, he would have leased the wisdom! The way, operates like

you with insults, insinuations and immoderate fury in this group, does not

testify from wisdom or knowledge. What should these insults cause?

These peculiar mails remind me of person who are wrecked spiritually. You insult

Shiva and Ma Jagadambe, you are afraid of not offending the devotees of Shiva.

How ill somebody must be, which tried seriously (how ridiculously!) wants to

explain that Parameshwara gopi was and occasionally a flute of Krishna? Did you

ever heard about Prabhupada? This man spread Krishna belief by talking and

writing books and always said Shiva is no more than a demigod! Krishna is the

supreme being, so he said! This is more than only a mistake, this is a crime to

me!

If your idol is Krishna, ok, then worship him but don´t insult the devotees of

Shiva! STOP this crazy tales about Shiva living in Vaikuntha!!!!

Shiva is Brahman, is Atman, is all!

Thus, by Siva's Grace a votary may attain faith in Krishna.Siva in fact states

that those who oppress Vaisnavas will be punishedby Krishna and that the hearts

of non-vaisnavas are impure He furtherexclaims that Vaisnavas are DEARER to HIM

than HIS OWN followers.

 

If I would tell you to go to Vaikuntha, because there is a great celebration and

all are welcome....would you believe it??? I guess you would!!

As well as you believe nearly everything! BUT....it has to be spoken by a

devotee of Krishna or Vishnu.

I like Vishnu and also Krishna, but Shiva is Parameshwara, whether you´ll

believe it or not. I took a look to the site and

http://koausa.org/Gods/Ram1.jpg

 

I am still stunned and horrifies about these distortions of Shiva and Ma

Jagadambe! Stop please immediately with these insults!By the way, if a devotee

of Shiva hears someone insulting Shiva and doesn´t stop, he or she will be also

a sinner. This is said by Ma Jagadambe!

 

I do hope Shiva will forgive you and me too. You can be sure, I will not write

any mail to you or other Vishnu/Krishna devotees who are trying to insult

Parameshwara again and again! keep Your life-style if it is the right

life-style for you! I will not dirty myself further with it to read postings

which do insult my beloved Shiva.

 

SHIVA IS OUR FATHER! SHIVA IS BABA! SHIVA IS PARAMESHWARA!...It doesn´ t matter

if you like it or not! I feel compassion with you because you have not done

this experience yet.

 

OM namah Shivay, HAR HAR MAHADEVA!

 

suryanadi, a tiny star* of almighty Shiva

 

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Message: 18 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:15:23 -0000 "dr. jaya"

<pyari_h >Re: Glory of Lord SivaNamaste all. _/\_When Lord

Krishna and Radharani played the magnificent Divine dance of'Maha Raasa Lila',

Shankar Bhagavan entered the Lila as a Gopi.Thus He became popular with the

Name Gopi-Isvara.There is a temple in Vrindavan for 'Gopisvara', Whom all

Vrajavasisworship with love. During the day the Lord Ishvara is worshipped

inHis Shiva Linga form and in the 'Gopi' decoration during evenings! Lord Siva

Himself is the Master of Music. Worshippers of Nada Brahma,the Sound Incarnate

of Lord, accept Him as their Guru.Some Rasik Saints say Lord Siva is Lord

Krishna's 'Flute'.They are alsi right in the sense, that because the 'Flute'

isKrishna's 'Priya Sakhi' and Sivaji too has transformed Himself tobecome His

Gopi, any way.This verse from 'Brahma-Samhita-56', which is very dear to

GaurangaMahaprabhu confirms - "..vaMzI priya sakhI..."The verse 45 of 'Sri

Brahma Samahitam' gives another kind oftransformation -"kSIraM yathA dadhi

vikAra vizeSa yogAtsaJjAyate na hi pRthag asti hetoHyaH zambhu tAm api tathA

samupaiti kAryAdgovindam AdipuruSaM tam ahaM bhajAmi"Meaning: Just as milk

itself is transformed into curd (yogurt), butyet they both are neither SAME nor

DIFFERENT from each other, so alsoI adore my Beloved primeveal Lord Govinda, Who

has transformed Himselfinto Lord Shiva for the performance of divine lilas.Here

are some more excerpts, taken from Brahma Vaivarta Purana inrelation to Lord

Siva."Lord Siva is said to be a portion of Lord Krishna and arise out ofthe

left side of Krshna's body."vAmarddhAGgo mahAdevodakSiNo gopikApatiH"The left

half became Siva and the right became the Husband of Gopis.He is dearly loved

by Krishna.The BVP says it is sin to slander Siva, Who is dearer to Krishna

thanHis own life.Krishna Himself declares:"Among my favorites Brahma is dear to

Me.Lakshmi, ever residing on my chest, is dearer than Brahma.Radha is yet

dearer, and my devotees are dearer still.Dearest of all is Shankara (Siva); no

one is dearer than He.My heart resides with my devotees, My life with Radha.My

Self with Sankara, who is dearer than My life."(Bkh,Pkh, KJkh of BVP)Those who

are the Excellant Portions of Krishna are intensely devotedto Him.It is not

surprising then that Siva, a Portion of Krishna, is His Devotee.We find

frequent references to Siva as the BEST OF VAISNAVAS.Accordingly, Siva seeks to

become the Servant of Krishna and confessesHis own dependence upon the

latter.Siva is often portrayed as in constant MEDITATION ON KRISHNA,

WEEPING,DANCING with ECSTACY of devotion.Of all those who know Krishna, it is

Siva, the BEST OF VAISNAVAS, whoknows Him best.Lord Ramacandra has declared in

Sri Rama Carita Manas:aurau eka guputa mata sabahi kahaum kara jori,shankara

bhajana binaa nara bhagati na paavai moriWith folded hands I now lay before you

one MORE SECRET doctrine:WITHOUT ADORING Lord Shankara NO MAN can ATTAIN loving

DEVOTION to ME.http://koausa.org/Gods/Ram1.jpgThus, by Siva's Grace a votary

may attain faith in Krishna.Siva in fact states that those who oppress

Vaisnavas will be punishedby Krishna and that the hearts of non-vaisnavas are

impure He furtherexclaims that Vaisnavas are DEARER to HIM than HIS OWN

followers.Krishna, Who is filled with Love for His devotees, has made Siva

equalto Himself on account of Siva's DEEP Devotion.Krishna asserts that Siva is

fully His EQUAL in splendour, knoweledgeand virtue.Further, the Divine Forms or

Bodies (Sat-Chit-Ananda vigrahas) of Sivaand Krishna alone are Eternal, not

those of other beings.It is through Siva's Devotion to Krishna, finally, not

MERE EQUALITY,but actual IDENTITY is apparently attained:'svapne jAgaraNe

zazvath kRSNa dhyAna rataHzivaHyathA kRSNA stathA zambhur na bhedo

mAdhavezayoH"(Brahma Vaivarta Purana-Prakriti khanda II.56.61)"Sleeping or

awake, Siva is constantly absorbed in MEDITATION of KRISHNA.AS IS KRISHNA, SO

IS SAMBHU; THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between MADHAVAand ISA"'yo hariH sa zivaH

sAkSAd yaH zivaH sa svayaM hariHye tayor bhedamAti sthan narakAya bhave

nnaraH"(Visnu purana.5.33.46)"Whoever is Lord Hari, He Himself is Lord Shiva

indeed.Whoever is manifesting as Lord Shiva, He Himself is Lord Hari.Any

humanbeing mistakes both the Lords to be different, he/she surelygoes to

hell.In Vishnu Purana also, VISHNU declares HIS NON DIFFERENCE from

SIVA.(V.P.5.33.46-48)Here we find, full justification for the statement in the

NaradaPancaRatra concerning the BVP as teaching the NON DIFFERENCE betweenHARI

AND HARA.Often we are told that whoever does not worship the Linga of

Sivacommits a great sin and goes to hell.Krishna says to Siva:"Who, having

constructed Your linga of clay, joined with Prakriti(yoni), at a place of

piligrimage, worships it a thousand times withdevotion...He shall rejoice with

Me in GOLOKA for crore of Kalpas.And who worships at that place a lakh of

lingas, with properofferings, Shall not fall from GOLOKA; He shall be equal to

US.Saivaite devotional practices lead, then, to the ultimate goal of

theVaisnavas.In Brahma-Samhita the relationship of Lord Siva and Lord Govinda

arecompared to that of milk and yogurt. Milk itself becomes TRANSFORMEDinto

yogurt.Similarly, though They both are possessing the same

transcendentalattributes, They PERFORM different divine pastimes."yathA ziva

mayo viSNuHzivasya hRdayaM viSNur viSNozca hRdayaM zivaH"(Skanda Purana)Just as

Lord Vishnu is pervaded by Lord Shiva,similarly, in Siva's heart Vishnu resides

and Vishnu's heart is theabode of Shiva.In Caitanya Caritamrita, Mahaprabhu's

eternal Associate SriAdvaitacarya is said to be Lord Sadasiva, who always

says,"I am the servant of Lord Krishna."Intoxicated by ecstatic Love for

Krishna, He becomes overwhelmed andincessantly dances without clothing and

sings about Lord Krishna'squalities and pastimes."nimnagAnAM yathA gaMgA

devAnAm acyuto yathAvaiSNavAnAM yathA zambhuH purANAnAm idaM tathAkSetrANAM

caiva sarveSAM yathA kAzI hyonuttamAtathA purANa vratAnAM zrI mad bhAgavataM

dvijAH "(Srimad Bhagavatam 12.13.17)Just as the celestial Ganges is the most

Holy among all the flowingrivers,just as Lord Krishna is the Supreme among all

Divine Personalties,just as Lord Siva is the most Exalted Lover of Vishnu,just

as the City of Kasi is the most Sacred among all Holy places,Srimad Bhagavatam

is also the most fulfilling vow as well as the mostelevated Scripture among all

other auspicious Puranas.In the Padma Purana, it is said:ArAdhanAnAM sarvezam

viSNor ArAdhanam paramtasmAt parataraM devI tadIyAnam samArcanamOnce, Parvati

devi asked Lord Siva,"Of all kinds of worship, whose worship is best?"Then,

Lord Siva told her plainly, "The worship and devotional serviceof Lord

Narayana, Visnu, is the highest."Then Parvati became a little mortified and

disappointed, thinking,"But I am serving Siva, so I hold a lower position."Then

the next line came - tasmAt parataraM devI tadiyAnam samArcanam."But higher than

the worship of Narayana is worship of the devotees ofLord Narayana. That is even

greater than devotion to the Lord Himself."Then, Parvati smiled, thinking, "Then

I am serving the devotee of theLord. Siva is a devotee: vaiSNavAnam yathA

zambhuH. So, I am doing thebest thing."This is also confirmed by Krishna, in

the Adi Purana :ye me bhakta-janAH pArtha ne me bhaktas ca te janaHmad

bhaktAnAM ca ye bhaktas te me bhaktatama mataH"Those who worship Me directly

are not real devotees; real devoteesare those who are devoted to My

devotees."Prayers to Lord Shiva -"jagadguro namastubhyaMzivAya zivadAya

cayogIndrANAm ca yogIndragurUNAM gurave namaH""Salutations unto Thee, O

Spiritual Master of the universe.Thou art the Lord auspicious and the Giver of

Divine bliss,the foremost of the perfect Yogis, the Teacher of all

teachers.Salutations unto Thee."(BVP 4.30.43)Another prayer for Shivaji

says-"haste 'kSa mAlA hRdi kRSNa tattvaMjihvAgra bhAge vara rAma mantraMyan

mastake kezava pAda tirthaMzivaM 'mahA bhAgavatAM' namAmi"Adi Jagadguru Sri

Shankara Bhagavatpada prayed:I salute to Lord Shiva, the Supreme Devotee, (Maha

Bhagavata)in Whose hand is the a-ksha (A to Z) garland of beads,in Whose heart

is the reservoir of Divine essence of Lord Krishna,on Whose tongue is ever

residing the Name of His Beloved Rama,on Whose head is ever flowing sacred

water that washes thelotus-feet of Lord Keshava.Prayer from

'Lingashtakam':brahma murAri surArcita lingamnirmalabhAsita zobhita

lingamjanmaja duHkha vinAzaka lingamtat praNamAmi sadAziva lingam I bow before

that Sada Shiva Linga, which is adored by Brahma, Vishnuand other Gods, which

is praised by pure and holy speeches and whichdestroys the cycle of births and

deaths. Jai Hari-Hara, Mahaadeva

Shambho!http://www.dgreetings.com/newimages/shivratri/shivani3.gifJaya Sri

Radhey!, "Beatrix

Mankel"<suryanadi@w...> wrote:> Maybe it is > better to forgive them, because

most of the Krishna sects are > unknowing and are manipulated. Nobody has to

insult Shiva! If > anybody does it, he will have to suffer. So if they wish

going this > way, ok, then it could be a heavy road...without Shivas

grace.Message: 21 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:49:56 -0000

"b_jamnadas" <b_jamnadas (AT) (DOT) ca>Re: Glory of Lord Siva in Simad

BhagavatamDear Suryanadi ji,What you are saying is so true. I probably

shouldn't be saying this but the hare Krishna movement....well lets just say

the world would have been better without it. People these days simply have no

better thing to do than to impose ones own ideas on others. These people don't

undertstand that Siva, that supreme brahman has manifested in so many different

forms and any deity that one prays to, either knowingly or unknowingly, is

praying to they supreme brahman and it is the compasssion of this supreme

brahman that these people don;t have to suffer the wrath of this supreme

brahman, but the path tho Siva realization would be easyfor such people.Nobody

is free from Sivas maya. Even Brahma once made the mistake of thinking Rudra to

be his son just becuase Rudra emerged from Brahma's body. hat to talk about

ordinary people who don;t know how to solve problems and mysteries in their own

life yet claim to have an answer to Sivas lila, yet at the same time do not

recognise Suiva as the supreme brahma....but than again it is all Sivas

lila.Sincerely,BJ, "Beatrix

Mankel" <suryanadi@w...> wrote:>> > Dear brother,> > I really understand your

anger and guess most of all true devotees > of Parameshwara Shiva will do the

same. Indeed, in the meantime, I > feel sad for those which are caught in this

illusion. They will > still probably have to experience several rebirths. Maybe

it is > better to forgive them, because most of the Krishna sects are >

unknowing and are manipulated. Nobody has to insult Shiva! If > anybody does

it, he will have to suffer. So if they wish going this > way, ok, then it could

be a heavy road...without Shivas grace.> > Blessings to all of you, OM namah

Shivay, HAR HAR MAHADEVA!> > Suryanadi, a tiny star* of Almighty Shiva, the

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