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considered the God of yoga. The vaishnavites say thus because it is quoted in

the Bhagavatam vaisnavanam yatha sambuh. When Shiva is seen chanting

on japa beads, eyes closed and seated in meditation, itis because he is

meditating on Lord Vishnu's transcendental form and chanting His holy names.

This is one side of the story.The other side is seen in Shivamahapuran

where it says that Vishnu is the greatest devotee of Lord Shiva!There is even a

story how Shiva pleased with Lord Vishnu's penance granted him the Sudarshana

Chakra. All this information is cleverly omitted by the Vaishnavites.If

this point is put forth they say "Bhagavatam is a Saatvic text" and that "Shiva

purana is a 'tamasic' text". There is no such classifications anywhere. This

just sprouts forth from their ignorance,insecurity and over-zealous nature.And

also because Shiva is considered 'Tamas'. One should note that "Lord

shiva" is not Tamasic but the "Shiva" is seen tamasic inside the kundalini

sleeping atop the cranium.This is the shiva maha siddhantha. This has been

misinterpreted by many saying Vishnu as Satwic,Shiva as Tamasic and Brahma as

Rajasic. If Shiva is Tamasic--He should be sleeping always and not

meditating. He cannot become even an ordinary Yogi leave alone 'God of

Yoga'(Yogeshwara). (Does 'poor' Brahma look Rajasic in

these images? He looks as much Satwic as Lord Narayana!.Please have the sense

of the artist atleast when you start comparing and judging!) If Brahma is

Rajasic--He must be always behind sex and engaged in wars!--This was not

purported by the vedas,shastras and Puranas. Brahma being Rajasic means the

creative aspect in all organisms which need a sexual

expression and since He is the God of Creation such anentitlement is given.

Brahma is the son of Vishnu.Then it further adds a calmunous brush to Vishnu

only if such asinine claims are made. Vishnu's function

ofsustaining/pervading depends upon a creation fromBrahma and Rudra's function

of destruction dependsupon Vishnu's sustaining that creation, and again backto

Brahma after destruction. Hence they are allinter-dependent. One more

pertinent point to be noted is that "Narayana" means one who draws a nara

toward Himself/God. It does not exactly mean Lord of Vaikunta. It just means to

the Parabrahmic spark in any great spiritualist. Just because there are

many people who accept a particular 'theory' to be true does not make for a

truth. It has to be tested with the inner fire. To talk in terms of "My

sect Vs Your sect" bespeaks unbeknownst of the 'devotee' his ignorance. In my

Andhra-Vaideeki

Velanadu sandhyavandana sampradaya I say toward the end "Shivaya Vishnu

roopaya Shiva roopaya Vishnave' Shivasya Hridayam Vishnuhu Vishnoscha

Hridayagum shivaha" ---Shiva is the aspect of Vishnu and Vishnu is the aspect

of Shiva. In Shiva's Hridaya lies Vishnu and viceversa. Then I further say

as per the Krishna-Yajus Sandhyavanda Reethi --Yatha Shivamayo Vishnurevam

Vishnumayashivaha Yatha Antaram

Na pashyaami Thathaa me' Swastiraayushee Just as Shiva is filled with

Vishnu.Like wise Vishnu is filled with Shiva.I should get the amount of

auspiciousness equivalent to the amount of discrimnation I make.

In other words if I make no discrimination then I get the full

result of the Sandhya

vandana. This then should be the spirit and not cribbing which God is the

"Greatest"!! You can substitute Vishnu and Shiva with any other two Gods or

even Religions. It makes no significant difference. Difference thus lies in the

human perception and in the mind. Break free from that.

roman" color="#7f003f"> The 'Greatest' is a purely a subjective

consideration. According to me the 'Greatest' lies in your 'advitiyaa atman'.If

that is recognized then all Gods and Goddesses will meld there.'Let thine eye be

single'-a-la-Jesus Christ. Andal veda is not an 'official'

veda. But is an expression of a Divine love for deity by a devotee,hence it can

be called verily a Veda(The truth,the word of Parabrahmam).For that devotee

Vishnu appears the 'greatest' and rest like demi gods. If a

'shuddha-shivite' is approached he will thump his chest and say "Shiva is the

Greatest and all of the rest are Yakshas and Yakshinis before Him".

A shaktha will say "Amba is the superiormost". I too might have said many

times in my postings that Rajarajeshwari Devi is the

Greatest. I will not eat those words....I cannot...as I have to eat my

heart!..as these words are from my heart ! I will die peacefully for Her

majesty proclaiming my unbound and unconditional love for Her and also thump my

heart not the chest in proclaiming her superiority. But a man of

God will say " IAM THE GREATEST" Because in that "IAM" he sees God.You are

verily the God-Immanent. No one can snatch that glory away from you. No one,I

repeat!This thought is resonant in the Upanishads and Vedas as "Aham

Brahmosmi". Brahman-The immanent God in you,the omnipotent,the omniscient, the

omnipresent is thus greatest. In one posting I had written that

Upanishads have been written by Disciples of Rishis and that Vedas have been

'written' by Rishis directly. I still stick by that statement though one member

responded harshly saying that I was wrong.There is a disticntion between the

Master and the disciple. But in the case of "Aham Brahmosmi"--both echo the

same thought. (Andal) (Nayanmars-Nalvar-'The four')

These are mere intellectualisations. Maybe if Andal and a Nayanmar had

confabulated they would have drunk from the same cup of Divinity and yet

proclaimed that his/her Deity is the 'Greatest'.This then is a dialectical

thing. 'God' runs by dialectics.The whole Jagat is a dialectical manifestation.

No one wins No one loses. Even the beggar on the street will be 'saved' some

day.Salvation is thus for all. This is much akin to the

question posed to a small boy as to whether his Daddy or his fabulous neighbour

is greater--- who will say "MY DADDY GREATEST"...Even if you extol upon the

virtues of his puissant neighbour.A devotee like Andal or a Nayanmar has become

a child before his Deity and will shout like that.But a passer-by(read a person

with an intellectual bent of mind) will extrapolate that to mean a

'Veda-sathya'. it is thus true as far as the devotee or the experiencer or the

seer is concerned but false when someone else tries to say the same

thing.This is not a mere emotive outpouring expressed from the heart of a

devotee but a fiery outpouring of longing,eternality,unconditional love and

childlike simplicity that has been expressed. Let us humbly bow down to that

'holy instant' where he/she has uttered those words which might sound profane

to the outsider but perfectly comprehensible to the insider.Your confusion

sprouts from you being an outsider. Come on "in"...I mean into your heart and

ask such questions...you will see the light...Instead of asking 'delicate'

questions to provoke some response and excite ephemeral interest in the

topic.However I do appreciate your sense of quest. LET THERE BE LIGHT....

Eshwaree Rakshathu!

new roman" color="#7f003f"> LordVishnu is laughing in Vaikunta along with Lord

Shiva I can see that! Yours yogically, Shreeram Balijepalli Jaya Bhole

Nath! Jai Jai Shiva Shankara! Om Namo Bhagavathe' Vasudevaya!

 

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Dear Subodh,

 

Thanks a lot for the reply. I beleive strongly that all GODS are one

and the same. But we humans vibrate with some GOD more than the others

which is fair enough. People all over the world have realised GOD in

various form and shape which is also fair enough.

 

Thanks,

Yash.

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Om Namah Sivaya,

 

Dear Shreeram ,

 

I enjoyed reading your article.Indeed we worship One

Supreme Being in various forms because we identify our

self with the body and mind and we choose the form we

prefer. The highest Hindu idea is that the God is

formless. Whatever is form must break some time or

other. Their cannot be any form unless it is the

result of force and matter; and all combinations must

dissolve. God is omnipresent. Without hands [he

grasps] everthing; without feet he can move. He is the

formless, the deathless, the eternal.

 

The ancient Rishis of India and the seers have

prescribed Linga for being installed in the temples of

Lord Siva. This represents God is formless. He has no

form of His OWN; and yet, all forms are His forms. All

forms are pervaded by Siva. He is infinite

consciousness. He is eternal, changeless, formless,

independent, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, one

without a second, beginningless, causeless, taintless,

self-existent, ever-free, ever-pure and perfect. He is

not limited by time. He is infinite bliss and infinite

intelligence. He is free from defects, the all-doer

and the all-knower. He is the undying soul seated in

the chambers of your heart, who is your Indweller,

innermost Self or Atman and who is identical with the

Supreme Brahman.

 

A Great Saivite saint described Siva with THREE

aspects 1)the lower Siva has five forms namely Brahma

(Creation), Vishnu (preservation), Rudra

(Destruction), Maheswara (Veiling) and SadaSiva

(Revealing Grace). These 5 acts represented by

Nataraja Form 2) The higher form is called Parapara,

this is Infinite Divine Light Form (Param Jyothi) Siva

appears as Siva and Sakti (Ardhanarisvara) 3) Beyond

these two forms is the SIVAM (Param)or the Ultimate

Being from whom all the gods originate. It is purely

the Saiva form and it is formless. In the highest

condition called Siva Mukti, there is no duality. No

one can see anything. One merge himself in SIVAM (The

Self) or the Highest. The core nature of all forms is

SIVAM. So the highest nature of Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra,

Maheswara and SadaSiva is SIVAM. In truth there is

only one true I which is SIVAM, the so-called

individuality (false I is due to ego) is Self creative

and will have an end and CANNOT be REAL(eternal). Sri

Adi Sankaracharya also has said in very clear terms

that Siva and Vishnu are the one all-pervading Soul.

 

Vishnu Purana glorifies Vishnu and in some place gives

a lower position to Siva. Siva Purana glorifies Siva

and gives a lower staus to Vishnu. Devi Bhagavata

glorifies Devi and gives a lower status to Brahma,

Vishnu and Siva. This is only to INSTIL and INTENSIFY

devotion for the respective deity in the devotee. In

reality, no deity is superior to another because the

highest nature of all deities is Sivam.

 

Namah Sivaya

 

 

 

 

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