Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 If you look up in the sky during the day, you see the Sun. That becomes the most dominant in your experience. In the night, if you look up, the stars become very dominant in your experience, but both the Sun and the stars - in fact, the Sun happens to be a star, too - look like puny little things when compared to the immense vastness of the sky. Generally, though, the sky is never in your conscious perception. So, true existence can be likened to the vastness of the sky. The Sun, the stars, you and me, are all just small happenings, very brief happenings, really. Today, science is telling you that even the Sun has a lifespan. Eventually, it will burn itself out. As you are burning your life out, similarly, the Sun is burning his life out, too. Your normal temperature is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit; the Sun's normal temperature is some 98 million degrees, but he also has a lifespan and, one day, he will exist no longer. So whatever you see as physical existence is just a small happening. The true existence is the vastness, the emptiness that is there, the space. What you call a person is just like a bubble. This bubble doesn't have any substance of its own. The air was there, all around. It just created a shell around itself, so suddenly it has a different quality of its own. There are thick bubbles, there are thin bubbles, there are strong bubbles, there are weak bubbles, big, small, just like people. Just like every other creature too, but when the bubble bursts, the substance that is inside the bubble, where is it? The air has reclaimed it; the atmosphere has reclaimed it. Similarly, a bubble is formed in the form of an etheric body, in the form of a pranic body, a mental body and a physical body. The physical body we can shoot down any moment we want to. It is within our power to just cut the physical body in two if we want to, but the other bodies we are not able to cut. Only what you call as existence, only that can do it. What you are calling the spiritual process is just that. It is a deeper way of ensuring you don't exist anymore. This is not about killing the physical body. You are trying to destroy the very fundamentals of creating the body within you. You are trying to destroy the very fundamental structure over which a body can form. The physical body is possible only because of the necessary karmic substances that are there in the form of etheric, pranic and mental bodies. So you are trying to destroy that through the spiritual process. With your awareness, practices, love, and with your devotion, all you are trying to do is destroy the possibility of taking on another body, destroy the very foundation over which the physical body can happen. Or, in other words, we are trying to take away the possibility of you going through the recycling bin over and over again. A mother's womb is only a recycling bag. Again and again... we're going through the same process. So we want to take that away. Meet your soulmate! Asia presents Meetic - where millions of singles gather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 stars become very dominant in your experience, but both the Sun and the stars - in fact, the Sun happens to be a star, too - look like puny little things when compared to the immense vastness of the sky. Generally, though, the sky is never in your conscious perception. So, true existence can be likened to the vastness of the sky. The Sun, the stars, you and me, are all just small happenings, very brief happenings, really. Today, science is telling you that even the Sun has a lifespan. Eventually, it will burn itself out. As you are burning your life out, similarly, the Sun is burning his life out, too. Your normal temperature is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit; the Sun's normal temperature is some 98 million degrees, but he also has a lifespan and, one day, he will exist no longer. So whatever you see as physical existence is just a small happening. The true existence is the vastness, the emptiness that is there, the space. What you call a person is just like a bubble. This bubble doesn't have any substance of its own. The air was there, all around. It just created a shell around itself, so suddenly it has a different quality of its own. There are thick bubbles, there are thin bubbles, there are strong bubbles, there are weak bubbles, big, small, just like people. Just like every other creature too, but when the bubble bursts, the substance that is inside the bubble, where is it? The air has reclaimed it; the atmosphere has reclaimed it. Similarly, a bubble is formed in the form of an etheric body, in the form of a pranic body, a mental body and a physical body. The physical body we can shoot down any moment we want to. It is within our power to just cut the physical body in two if we want to, but the other bodies we are not able to cut. Only what you call as existence, only that can do it. What you are calling the spiritual process is just that. It is a deeper way of ensuring you don't exist anymore. This is not about killing the physical body. You are trying to destroy the very fundamentals of creating the body within you. You are trying to destroy the very fundamental structure over which a body can form. The physical body is possible only because of the necessary karmic substances that are there in the form of etheric, pranic and mental bodies. So you are trying to destroy that through the spiritual process. With your awareness, practices, love, and with your devotion, all you are trying to do is destroy the possibility of taking on another body, destroy the very foundation over which the physical body can happen. Or, in other words, we are trying to take away the possibility of you going through the recycling bin over and over again. A mother's womb is only a recycling bag. Again and again... we're going through the same process. So we want to take that away. Meet your soulmate! Asia presents Meetic - where millions of singles gather Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Namaste _/\_ all. Thanks for the thoughtful message. Like to add a few more quotes to strengthen the understanding of the transient nature of material life and its true purpose. Sri Bhagavanuvaca: jAtasya hi dhruvo mRtyuH dhruvaM janma mRtasya ca, tasmAd aparihArye 'rthe na tvaM zocitum arhasi (Bhagavad Gita 2.27) The blessed Lord said: Death is CERTAIN of that which is BORN; BIRTH is CERTAIN of that which is DEAD. You should NOT therefore LAMENT over the INEVITABLE. jarA maraNa mokSAya mAm Azritya yatAnti ye, te brahma tad viduH kRtsnam adhyAtmaM karma cA 'khilam (B.Gita 7.29) "Those who TAKE REFUGE in Me (Lord) and STRIVE for DELIVERANCE from DEATH and DECAY, they REALIZE in FULL that BRAHMAN, the knowledge of self and ALL karma (actions and reactions)." - When a man wants to EAT fruit, he DISCARDS its shell and seeds and HELPS himself to the PULP. But when he wants to PURCHASE that fruit or make study of it, he has to take into account the shell, the seeds, the pulp and ALL the contents of the fruit. - Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa nalinI dala gata jalam ati taralaM tadvajjIvitam atizaya capalam, viddhi vyAdhyabhimAna grastaM lokaM zokahataM ca samastam bhaja govindaM bhaja govindaM govindaM bhaja mUDhamate A dewdrop trembling from a lotus petal So uncertain is the life...not known for how long! The entire world that you see around,know, Is full of dole, disease, and conceit. (4) Seek the Lord, Seek, Seek, Seek the Lord, Seek alone the Lord...O mud-headed fool! The water-drop playing on a lotus petal has an EXTREMELY UNCERTAIN existence; so also is LIFE ever UNSTABLE! Understand, the VERY WORLD is consumed by disease (death) and conceit, and is riddled with pangs. Seek Lord Govind, Seek Govind, Seek Govind, O Fool! Life is uncertain in itself, and even during its uncertain existence it is consumed by disease and conceit, persecuted by a hundred different voiceless pangs! Since life is SO UNCERTAIN, and the world is in a sense NOTHING but SORROW, the general import of the verse is that there is NO TIME for anyone TO WASTE. Death rarely announces his visit. Therefore, strive from RIGHT NOW. 'Now' and 'HERE' seems to be the URGENCY behind the verse. We are reminded here of Lord Buddha's CRY on the same theme, with a SIMILAR sense of urgency: 'ALL is MISERY, misery; ALL is MOMENTARY, momentary.' 'sarvaM duHkhaM duHkhaM sarvaM kSaNikaM kSaNikam' Lord Kishna also reminds us in Gita 8.15: '...duHkhAlayaM azAzvataM..' and 13.8: '..janma mRtyu jarA vyAdhi duHkha doSAnu darzanam' Here is more from Sri Shankara's Bhaja Govindam: 'kA te kAntA kaste putraH saMsAro 'yam atIva vicitraH kasya tvaM kaH kuta AyAtaH tattvaM cintaya tadiha bhrAtaH (8) bhaja govindaM bhaja govindaM govindaM bhaja mUDhamate' Who is your wife (husband)? Who is your son (daughter)? Supremely WONDERFUL indeed is this (samsara) entanglement! Of WHOM are you? >From where have you come? O brother (sister), think of that TRUTH here! Seek Lord Govinda, Seek Govind, Seek Beloved Govinda, O Fool! 'kastvaM ko 'haM kuta AyAtaH kA me jananI ko me tAtaH iti paribhAvaya sarvam asAraM vizvaM tyaktvA svapna vicAram (23) bhaja govindaM bhaja govindaM govindaM bhaja mUDhamate' Who are you? Who am I? >From where did I come? Who is my mother? Who is my father? Thus ENQUIRE, leaving aside the ENTIRE world-of-experience (vishvam), essenceless and MERE dreamland born of imagination (svapna vicaaram). Seek Lord Govinda, Seek Govinda, Seek Beloved Govinda, O Fool! Poetic version: Who is your wife and who is your son?? This world-of-changes, know, is a wonder of wonders Of whom are you?...whence have you come? Brother, think of the TRUTH...here and now!! (8) Who are you?...Who am I?...Whence are we? Who is my mother?...Who the father? ENQUIRE thus WITHIN,CASTING OFF THE NONESSENTIAL... The world entire...the phantasy of MERE DREAM! (23) Seek the Lord, Seek, Seek, Seek the Lord, Seek alone the Lord...O mud-headed fool! 'viSayAndhyAyatazcittaM viSayeshu viSajjate mAmanusmarazcittaM mayyeva pravalIyate" (Bhagavatam 11.14.27) Lord Krishna reveals to His friend Uddhava- "The mind of a man who thinks of material objects and worldly subjects is attached to them, but the mind of one who remembers Me is merged in Me alone. tasmAdasadabhidhyAnaM yathA svapna manorathAM, hitvA mayi samAdhatsva mano madbhAva bhAvitam (Bhagavatam 11.14.28) So the Lord instructs His devotee, Uddhava: "Therefore, giving up dwelling on unreal things and not attaching your mind to worldly desires and persons which are no better than dreams or fancies (svapna mano-ratham), concentrate your heart and mind upon Me, with Divine emotional attachment for Me. Why should we attach our mind to Him alone? Because Lord Says in Gita: gatirbharthA prabhuH sAKSI nivAsaH zaranAM suhRt, prabhavaH pralayaH sthAnaM nidhAnaM bIjam avyayam (Gita 9.18) "I am the Goal, the Supporter, the Lord, the Witness, the Abode, the Shelter, the Friend, the Origin, the Dissolution, the Foundation, the Treaure-House and the Seed Imperishable." When the wise seeker correctly understands this Supreme knowledge - "bahUnAM janmanAm ante jnAnavAn mAM prapadyate, vAsudevaH sarvam iti sa mahAtmA sudurlabhaH" (B.Gita 7.19) At the END of many, many births, the man of WISDOM takes REFUGE in Me, REALIZING that Vaasudeva (Lord Krishna) is ALL that IS. RARE indeed is that GREAT soul. Jaya Sri Radhey! , pillai george <pillai_george> wrote: > > > BY Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev ....Again and again... we're going through the same process. So we want to take that away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Namaste all. Adi Jagadguru Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada prayed: punarapi jananaM punarapi maraNaM punarapi jananI jaThare zayanam iha saMsAre bahu dustAre kRpayA 'pAre pAhi murAre (21) bhaja govindaM bhaja govindaM govindaM bhaja mUDhamate Again birth, again death, and again lying in mother's womb- this endless material process (samsaara) is VERY HARD to CROSS OVER.... SAVE me, Krishna, O Destroyer of the demon Muraa (Murari) through Thy INFINITE Grace and Kindness! Seek Lord Govinda, Seek Govinda, Seek Beloved Govinda, O Fool! Poetic version of the same verse: Once again the birth, once again the death, Lying in mother's womb once again, HELPLESS, DIFFICULT is this world-of-changes to GET OVER, MERCY, O KILLER-OF-MURA! SAVE ME from this!! (21) Jaya Sri Radhey! , "dr. jaya" <pyari_h> wrote: > jAtasya hi dhruvo mRtyuH dhruvaM janma mRtasya ca, > tasmAd aparihArye 'rthe na tvaM zocitum arhasi > > (Bhagavad Gita 2.27) > > The blessed Lord said: > > Death is CERTAIN of that which is BORN; > BIRTH is CERTAIN of that which is DEAD. > You should NOT therefore LAMENT over the INEVITABLE. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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