Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? Thanks in advance. Namah Shivaya. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I'll try and start it and then maybe others can pitch in to correct/add/re-write as appropriate......... At the time of the great war between Brahma & Vishnu as to who is the greatest, both of them entered into continuous discussions. Brahma was saying that He became awakened first and hence He ought to be greater and Vishnu was arguing that Brahma is part of Vishnu and hence He ought to be greater. In the end and in the interest to start the life and forms of life, Siva decided to test the abilities of both Brahma & Vishnu. He appeared in front of them in the form of a pillar of fire in the place of Jyotirlinga. The pillar was so high that you could not see the top of it and so deep that you could not see the bottom of it. Then the Lord put a thought in both Brahma & Vishnu's mind that they can decide who is greater by finding either end of the pillar of fire. Brahma took the form of a swan and flew to the heavens. Vishnu took the form of a mouse and took to the ground and to the nether worlds. After a hundred years of searching, they both returned. Vishnu spoke first and said that He could not find the bottom of the pillar of fire. Brahma on the other hand trying to settle the dispute quickly, said that he could not get to the top but could see the end of the pillar of fire. Although it was not a lie, it was not absolute truth either. This is when Lord Siva showed them His and Sakti's forms. The ability of Brahma to be able to tell the 'not so accurate truth' earned Brahma the task of creation as He could visualise what would happen before it happened. Whereas the absolute honesty of Vishnu earned Him the task of being beholder and preserver of the worlds. This is because He would do justice to all without being prejudiced in any sense what-so-ever. This is the reason why Lord Vishnu takes on the necessary form to address the balance between good and evil as well as the greater task of preserving life in all of it's glory. However there was a dispute as to who should end the worlds. Brahma said that He could not as being the creator, He is like a mother to the worlds and as such would be setting a bad precedent by being the destroyer as well. Similarly Vishnu had an objection that being the preserver of life, He ought to be seen as the Father and again would be setting a wrong precedent by being the destroyer as well. Therefore to settle the problem, Siva blessed both Brahma & Vishnu by accepting the role of destroyer and created an image of himself which is the Image of first Rudra and most commonly associated with the physical form of Siva. Therefore as the story tells, Siva was, is and would be what remains of this creation. Rest everything including all of the shapes, forms, images would eventually dissolve into Him. Whereas Rudra is a form of Siva. Hope this helps.......... Kind regards Anand [] On Behalf Of SR.Raj kumarSent: 01 November 2005 06:11Subject: Rudra and Shiva Dear Shivbhakthas, Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? Thanks in advance. Namah Shivaya. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva is known as rudra. OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH is the best mantra for rudra. where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE RUDRAYAH If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA ADHYAYA (namakam & chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya samhita of the krishna yajur veda, will total devotion. i do it everyday myself. regards, kanishk SR.Raj kumar wrote: Dear Shivbhakthas, Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? Thanks in advance. Namah Shivaya. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Please read the following article to know the gradual evolution of Rudra to Siva: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.htmlkc3377 <kc3377 > wrote: rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva is known as rudra.OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAHis the best mantra for rudra.where RUM is the beej mantra for rudraeven another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE RUDRAYAHIf u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA ADHYAYA (namakam & chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya samhita of the krishna yajur veda, will total devotion.i do it everyday myself.regards,kanishkSR.Raj kumar wrote: Dear Shivbhakthas, Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? Thanks in advance. Namah Shivaya. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. With Best Regards, Parasuraman Please visit my Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hello Raj, All I can say os what I have read in Siva-Purana. It all starts from the war between Brahma and Vishnu as Anand tells. When the pillar of fire appears, Brahama and Vishnu decide both to set their disputes aside and investigate. Vishnu take the form of a boar and dives down to figure out the bottom of this pillar, Brahma becomes a swan and files to find the top. A long time passes and none of them have any luck. Just as brahma thinks about giving up, he sees a flower falling. He asks the flower where he is coming from and if the flowers knows where the top is. Flower admits that it doesn't know the top. Brahma asks the flower to do him the a favour and claim to be a witness that he saw Brahma up to the top of the pillar. Brahma comes down to and meets a dismayed Vishnu who admits his failure. Brahma claims to have seen the top and asks the flower to second his claim. Siva, the column of fire gets annoyed at this lie, Bhairav appears from this anger of Siva and chops the fifth head of Brahma at the command of Siva. Vishnu and Brahma are both terrified by this. Brahma asks for forgivenness and Vishnu askss that Brahma be forgived for his lie. Siva then gives knowledge to Brahma and reminds Vishnu how they they about and gives them a lists of their duties for this Universe. At the end of all this, when Siva is to depart, Brahma and Vishnu admit that they cannot understand this form of Siva and they would want Siva to take a form they thay could better understand and go to help in exdecuting any of their responsibilities. Siva tells Vishnu that he shall emerge from Brahmas body as rudra in time. And at a much later time, Rudra emerged from Brahmas body when Brahma was in rage at his sons. The sons were instructed to procreate top populate the universe, but they were more interested in ascetics life. Sincerely, Bhupendra. , "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > Dear Shivbhakthas, > Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? > Thanks in advance. > Namah Shivaya. > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Thanks a lot. Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it like creation like Brahma or destroying evil? SR.Rajkumar.Parasuraman <parasu41 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Friends, Please read the following article to know the gradual evolution of Rudra to Siva: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.htmlkc3377 <kc3377 > wrote: rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva is known as rudra.OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAHis the best mantra for rudra.where RUM is the beej mantra for rudraeven another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE RUDRAYAHIf u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA ADHYAYA (namakam & chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya samhita of the krishna yajur veda, will total devotion.i do it everyday myself.regards,kanishkSR.Raj kumar wrote: Dear Shivbhakthas, Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? Thanks in advance. Namah Shivaya. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. With Best Regards, Parasuraman Please visit my Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Sh. Raj kumar, "The Shiva Purana" illustrates that Shiva is beyond both Prakriti and Purusha. Shiva is Mahesvara. He is the witness, well-wisher and nourisher of all beings. The Gita says: `Upadrashtanumanta cha bharta bhokta mahesvarah'. At the end of Pralaya, the Supreme Lord starts re-creation of the world. He is then known by the name SadaShiva. Lord Shiva is having five faces. The first face of Shiva does Krida or play, the second does penance, the third destroys or dissolves the world, the fourth protects the people and the fifth, being knowledge, fully covers the entire universe by its power. He is Isana the creator and promoter of all beings, from within. The first form of Shiva is the enjoyer of Prakriti as Kshetrajna Purusha. The second is Tatpurusha resting in Sattva-guna, rooted in Bhogya-Prakriti. The third is Ghora rooted in the eightfold Buddhi like Dharma, etc. The fourth is Vamadeva rooted in Ahankara and the fifth is Sadyojata, the presiding deity of the mind. The eight forms of Shiva are Sarva, Bhava, Rudra, Ugra, Bhima, Pasupati, Isana and Mahadeva, rooted respectively in earth, water, fire, air, ether, Kshetrajna, sun and moon. Shiva is spoken of as being in eight forms (Ashtamurti). The eight forms of Shiva are the five elements, the sun, the moon and the priest who performs sacrifice. According to Appar, there are three aspects of Shiva. (1) The lower Shiva who dissolves the world and who liberates Jivas from their bondage. (2) The higher form is called Parapara. In this form, Shiva appears as Shiva and Sakti (Ardhanarisvara). It has the name Param- Jyoti. (3) Beyond these two forms is the Param, or the ultimate being from whom Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra originate. It is purely the Shiva's form. It is formless. It is the Shivam of the Shaiva Siddhanta. It is Para Brahman of the Upanishads and Vedantins. Shiva is distinct from Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. Lord Shiva is the Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas or worlds. Isvara united with Maya gives rise to Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra out of Rajas, Sattva and Tamo Gunas respectively, under the command of Lord Shiva. Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra are the trinities of the world. Rudra is the God who bestows prosperity and destroys suffering. He is a benevolent Deity who confers auspiciousness, offspring and cattle. He is the bringer or source of prosperity. Rudra means He who removes sin or suffering. The names Bhava, Sarva, Pasupati, Ugra, Mahadeva, Isana and Asani are applied to Rudra. Rudra is not a terror-inspiring God, but a bestower of welfare or prosperity. He is the one great Lord of the Universe. Rudra is the ideal of mendicants, because Rudra alone, of all the deities, is spoken of in the scriptures as the mendicant-God. He is mentioned as having, the ascetic water-pot in the Rigveda hymns. Rudra represents here Para Brahman or the Supreme Self, the Infinite or the Absolute. Rudra, after having created all objects, draws together or takes them all back into Himself at the end of time, i.e., during cosmic Pralaya or dissolution. Rudra is the destructive aspect of Siva. There are eleven Rudras in the cosmic hierarchy. Esoterically, the Pranas (or the ten senses) and the mind represent the eleven Rudras. Sri Hanuman is a manifestation or aspect of Rudra only. In Siva-Purana, Rudra is another name for Siva. Rudra is one who destroys the sins and removes the miseries of His devotees and confers on them wisdom and bliss. Rudra is the Antaryamin or indweller of all beings. He witnesses silently the actions and thoughts of men and dispenses the fruits of their actions. "That one God, having His eyes, His face, His arms and feet in every place, when producing heaven and earth, forges them together with His arms and His wings". May Rudra, the creator and supporter of the gods, the great seer, the Lord of all, who created at first Hiranyagarbha, endow us with good thought (pure intellect). "Rudra, with Thy form which is auspicious, which is not dreadful, and which manifests what is holy, with that all-blessed form, appear to us, O Dweller among the mountains". LORD SHIVA AND HIS WORSHIP Abhisheka is a part of Shiva Puja. Without Abhisheka, worship of Shiva is incomplete. During Abhisheka Rudra, Purushasukta, Chamaka, Maha-mrityunjaya Japa, panchakshari etc., are chanted. Chamaka is divided into eleven sections. Each of these is then combined with Namaka (Rudra) and repeated. This is called Rudra. Eleven such Rudras make one Laghu Rudra. Eleven Laghu Rudras make one Maharudra. Eleven Maharudras make one Atirudra. Rudra is to be repeated after performing the initial Sankalpa, Puja, Nyasa, Anga. Panchamritasnana and Dhyana. The fruit of Rudra Japa is stated as shown below: No. Of Japa Fruit of Japa 1 Rudra Freedom from Bala graha (diseases common to children). 3 Rudra Freedom from imminent difficulties with which one is faced. 5 Rudra Freedom from the evil effects of certain planets occupying unfavourable positions. 7 Rudra Freedom from great fear. 9 Rudra The fruit of one Vajapeya sacrifice; and also attainment of peace of mind. 11 Rudra getting the favour of kings and great wealth. 33 Rudra Attainment of wishes for objects and having no enemies. 77 Rudra Enjoyment of great happiness. 99 Rudra Attainment of son, grandson, wealth, grain, Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha and freedom from death. 1 Maharudra Attainment of the favour of kings and becoming the Lord of great wealth. 3 Maharudra Fulfillments of impossible tasks. 5 Maharudra Acquirement of vast lands. 7 Maharudra Attainment of the seven worlds. 9 Maharudra Freedom from births and deaths. 1 Atirudra Becoming God. AUM Namah Shivay , "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could know the story of Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam of shiva and bhairav choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged from Brahma is new learning. > Thanks a lot. > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it like creation like Brahma or destroying evil? > SR.Rajkumar. > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > Dear Friends, > Please read the following article to know the gradual evolution of Rudra to Siva: > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva is known as rudra. > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > is the best mantra for rudra. > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE RUDRAYAH > If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA ADHYAYA (namakam & chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya samhita of the krishna yajur veda, will total devotion. > i do it everyday myself. > > regards, > kanishk > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > Dear Shivbhakthas, > Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? > Thanks in advance. > Namah Shivaya. > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > With Best Regards, > > Parasuraman > > Please visit my Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Namah ShivayaKASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao > wrote: Sh. Raj kumar,"The Shiva Purana" illustrates that Shiva is beyond both Prakriti and Purusha. Shiva is Mahesvara. He is the witness, well-wisher and nourisher of all beings. The Gita says: `Upadrashtanumanta chabharta bhokta mahesvarah'.At the end of Pralaya, the Supreme Lord starts re-creation of the world. He is then known by the name SadaShiva. Lord Shiva is having five faces. The first face of Shiva does Krida or play, the second does penance, the third destroys or dissolves the world, the fourth protects the people and the fifth, being knowledge, fully covers the entire universe by its power. He is Isana the creator and promoter of all beings, from within.The first form of Shiva is the enjoyer of Prakriti as Kshetrajna Purusha. The second is Tatpurusha resting in Sattva-guna, rooted in Bhogya-Prakriti. The third is Ghora rooted in the eightfold Buddhi like Dharma, etc. The fourth is Vamadeva rooted in Ahankara and the fifth is Sadyojata, the presiding deity of the mind. The eight forms of Shiva are Sarva, Bhava, Rudra, Ugra, Bhima, Pasupati, Isana and Mahadeva, rooted respectively in earth, water, fire, air, ether, Kshetrajna, sun and moon. Shiva is spoken of as being in eight forms (Ashtamurti). The eight forms of Shiva are the five elements, the sun, the moon and the priest who performs sacrifice.According to Appar, there are three aspects of Shiva. (1) The lower Shiva who dissolves the world and who liberates Jivas from their bondage. (2) The higher form is called Parapara. In this form, Shiva appears as Shiva and Sakti (Ardhanarisvara). It has the name Param-Jyoti. (3) Beyond these two forms is the Param, or the ultimate being from whom Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra originate. It is purely the Shiva's form. It is formless. It is the Shivam of the Shaiva Siddhanta. It is Para Brahman of the Upanishads and Vedantins.Shiva is distinct from Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra.Lord Shiva is the Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas or worlds. Isvara united with Maya gives rise to Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra out of Rajas, Sattva and Tamo Gunas respectively, under the command of Lord Shiva. Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra are the trinities of the world.Rudra is the God who bestows prosperity and destroys suffering. He is a benevolent Deity who confers auspiciousness, offspring and cattle. He is the bringer or source of prosperity. Rudra means He who removes sin or suffering. The names Bhava, Sarva, Pasupati, Ugra, Mahadeva, Isana and Asani are applied to Rudra. Rudra is not a terror-inspiring God, but a bestower of welfare or prosperity. He is the one great Lord of the Universe. Rudra is the ideal of mendicants, because Rudra alone, of all the deities, is spoken of in the scriptures as the mendicant-God. He is mentioned as having, the ascetic water-pot in the Rigveda hymns.Rudra represents here Para Brahman or the Supreme Self, the Infinite or the Absolute. Rudra, after having created all objects, draws together or takes them all back into Himself at the end of time, i.e., during cosmic Pralaya or dissolution. Rudra is the destructive aspect of Siva. There are eleven Rudras in the cosmic hierarchy. Esoterically, the Pranas (or the ten senses) and the mind represent the eleven Rudras. Sri Hanuman is a manifestation or aspect of Rudra only.In Siva-Purana, Rudra is another name for Siva. Rudra is one who destroys the sins and removes the miseries of His devotees and confers on them wisdom and bliss. Rudra is the Antaryamin or indweller of all beings. He witnesses silently the actions and thoughts of men and dispenses the fruits of their actions."That one God, having His eyes, His face, His arms and feet in every place, when producing heaven and earth, forges them together with His arms and His wings". May Rudra, the creator and supporter of the gods, the great seer, the Lord of all, who created at first Hiranyagarbha, endow us with good thought (pure intellect). "Rudra, with Thy form which is auspicious, which is not dreadful, and which manifests what is holy, with that all-blessed form, appear to us, O Dweller among the mountains".LORD SHIVA AND HIS WORSHIPAbhisheka is a part of Shiva Puja. Without Abhisheka, worship of Shiva is incomplete. During Abhisheka Rudra, Purushasukta, Chamaka, Maha-mrityunjaya Japa, panchakshari etc., are chanted. Chamaka is divided into eleven sections. Each of these is then combined with Namaka (Rudra) and repeated. This is called Rudra. Eleven such Rudras make one Laghu Rudra. Eleven Laghu Rudras make one Maharudra. Eleven Maharudras make one Atirudra. Rudra is to be repeated after performing the initial Sankalpa, Puja, Nyasa, Anga. Panchamritasnana and Dhyana. The fruit of Rudra Japa is stated as shown below:No. Of Japa Fruit of Japa1 Rudra Freedom from Bala graha (diseases common to children).3 Rudra Freedom from imminent difficulties with which one is faced.5 Rudra Freedom from the evil effects of certain planets occupying unfavourable positions.7 Rudra Freedom from great fear.9 Rudra The fruit of one Vajapeya sacrifice; and also attainment of peace of mind.11 Rudra getting the favour of kings and great wealth.33 Rudra Attainment of wishes for objects and having no enemies.77 Rudra Enjoyment of great happiness.99 Rudra Attainment of son, grandson, wealth, grain, Dharma, Artha, Kama andMoksha and freedom from death.1 Maharudra Attainment of the favour of kings and becoming the Lord of great wealth.3 Maharudra Fulfillments of impossible tasks.5 Maharudra Acquirement of vast lands.7 Maharudra Attainment of the seven worlds.9 Maharudra Freedom from births and deaths.1 Atirudra Becoming God.AUM Namah Shivay, "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote:>> Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could know the story of Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam of shiva and bhairav choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged from Brahma is new learning.> Thanks a lot. > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it like creation like Brahma or destroying evil?> SR.Rajkumar.> > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote:> Dear Friends,> Please read the following article to know the gradual evolution of Rudra to Siva:> > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html> > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote:> rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva is known as rudra.> OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH> is the best mantra for rudra.> where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra> even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE RUDRAYAH> If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA ADHYAYA (namakam & chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya samhita of the krishna yajur veda, will total devotion.> i do it everyday myself.> > regards,> kanishk> > SR.Raj kumar wrote:> Dear Shivbhakthas,> Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra?> Thanks in advance.> Namah Shivaya.> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > With Best Regards,> > Parasuraman> > Please visit my Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41> > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > > Lord shiva > > > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Rudra is for destruction of misery, even Brahma and Vishnu may pray to Rudra becuase it is a form of Siva with attrributes. Siva took form of Rudra at the request of Vishnui and Brahma. Rudra is also responsible for final dissolution, that is when Siva has decided to withdraw...all souls and even energy within atoms needs to unit with Siva. Rudra performs this task just like Brahma and Vishnu perform the task of creation and maintenance. Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra...all then unite with Siva until Siva decides to again create this Universe. , "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could know the story of Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam of shiva and bhairav choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged from Brahma is new learning. > Thanks a lot. > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it like creation like Brahma or destroying evil? > SR.Rajkumar. > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > Dear Friends, > Please read the following article to know the gradual evolution of Rudra to Siva: > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva is known as rudra. > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > is the best mantra for rudra. > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE RUDRAYAH > If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA ADHYAYA (namakam & chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya samhita of the krishna yajur veda, will total devotion. > i do it everyday myself. > > regards, > kanishk > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > Dear Shivbhakthas, > Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? > Thanks in advance. > Namah Shivaya. > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > With Best Regards, > > Parasuraman > > Please visit my Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 I have some philosopical questions if any one wants to answer. Why does Rudra wants to destroy the world? Why do all souls and energy have to merge with shiva? Why and When will shiva decide to recreate the universe again? --- b_jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > Rudra is for destruction of misery, even Brahma and > Vishnu may pray > to Rudra becuase it is a form of Siva with > attrributes. Siva took > form of Rudra at the request of Vishnui and Brahma. > Rudra is also > responsible for final dissolution, that is when Siva > has decided to > withdraw...all souls and even energy within atoms > needs to unit with > Siva. Rudra performs this task just like Brahma and > Vishnu perform > the task of creation and maintenance. Brahma, Vishnu > and Rudra...all > then unite with Siva until Siva decides to again > create this > Universe. > > , > "SR.Raj kumar" > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could > know the story of > Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam of > shiva and bhairav > choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged from > Brahma is new > learning. > > Thanks a lot. > > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it > like creation > like Brahma or destroying evil? > > SR.Rajkumar. > > > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Please read the following article to know the > gradual evolution of > Rudra to Siva: > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva > is known as > rudra. > > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > > is the best mantra for rudra. > > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE > RUDRAYAH > > If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA > ADHYAYA (namakam & > chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya > samhita of the krishna > yajur veda, will total devotion. > > i do it everyday myself. > > > > regards, > > kanishk > > > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > > Dear Shivbhakthas, > > Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva > and Rudra. While > it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I > need the very > origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the > explanation > fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other > mantras for > Rudra? > > Thanks in advance. > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > Parasuraman > > > > Please visit my Homepage: > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > the web. > > > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 My name is Udaya Sankar. I live in USA, portland. I am thinking of doing Rudra abhishakam. We are telugu people. I could not get preast to prefam this. Can we get any audio CD or Casets, which say every this how to do etc? can we do puja using CD. If we get please advice where to get the same. any body any advice? Please. Namaskar, Uday.KASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao > wrote: Sh. Raj kumar,"The Shiva Purana" illustrates that Shiva is beyond both Prakriti and Purusha. Shiva is Mahesvara. He is the witness, well-wisher and nourisher of all beings. The Gita says: `Upadrashtanumanta chabharta bhokta mahesvarah'.At the end of Pralaya, the Supreme Lord starts re-creation of the world. He is then known by the name SadaShiva. Lord Shiva is having five faces. The first face of Shiva does Krida or play, the second does penance, the third destroys or dissolves the world, the fourth protects the people and the fifth, being knowledge, fully covers the entire universe by its power. He is Isana the creator and promoter of all beings, from within.The first form of Shiva is the enjoyer of Prakriti as Kshetrajna Purusha. The second is Tatpurusha resting in Sattva-guna, rooted in Bhogya-Prakriti. The third is Ghora rooted in the eightfold Buddhi like Dharma, etc. The fourth is Vamadeva rooted in Ahankara and the fifth is Sadyojata, the presiding deity of the mind. The eight forms of Shiva are Sarva, Bhava, Rudra, Ugra, Bhima, Pasupati, Isana and Mahadeva, rooted respectively in earth, water, fire, air, ether, Kshetrajna, sun and moon. Shiva is spoken of as being in eight forms (Ashtamurti). The eight forms of Shiva are the five elements, the sun, the moon and the priest who performs sacrifice.According to Appar, there are three aspects of Shiva. (1) The lower Shiva who dissolves the world and who liberates Jivas from their bondage. (2) The higher form is called Parapara. In this form, Shiva appears as Shiva and Sakti (Ardhanarisvara). It has the name Param-Jyoti. (3) Beyond these two forms is the Param, or the ultimate being from whom Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra originate. It is purely the Shiva's form. It is formless. It is the Shivam of the Shaiva Siddhanta. It is Para Brahman of the Upanishads and Vedantins.Shiva is distinct from Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra.Lord Shiva is the Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas or worlds. Isvara united with Maya gives rise to Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra out of Rajas, Sattva and Tamo Gunas respectively, under the command of Lord Shiva. Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra are the trinities of the world.Rudra is the God who bestows prosperity and destroys suffering. He is a benevolent Deity who confers auspiciousness, offspring and cattle. He is the bringer or source of prosperity. Rudra means He who removes sin or suffering. The names Bhava, Sarva, Pasupati, Ugra, Mahadeva, Isana and Asani are applied to Rudra. Rudra is not a terror-inspiring God, but a bestower of welfare or prosperity. He is the one great Lord of the Universe. Rudra is the ideal of mendicants, because Rudra alone, of all the deities, is spoken of in the scriptures as the mendicant-God. He is mentioned as having, the ascetic water-pot in the Rigveda hymns.Rudra represents here Para Brahman or the Supreme Self, the Infinite or the Absolute. Rudra, after having created all objects, draws together or takes them all back into Himself at the end of time, i.e., during cosmic Pralaya or dissolution. Rudra is the destructive aspect of Siva. There are eleven Rudras in the cosmic hierarchy. Esoterically, the Pranas (or the ten senses) and the mind represent the eleven Rudras. Sri Hanuman is a manifestation or aspect of Rudra only.In Siva-Purana, Rudra is another name for Siva. Rudra is one who destroys the sins and removes the miseries of His devotees and confers on them wisdom and bliss. Rudra is the Antaryamin or indweller of all beings. He witnesses silently the actions and thoughts of men and dispenses the fruits of their actions."That one God, having His eyes, His face, His arms and feet in every place, when producing heaven and earth, forges them together with His arms and His wings". May Rudra, the creator and supporter of the gods, the great seer, the Lord of all, who created at first Hiranyagarbha, endow us with good thought (pure intellect). "Rudra, with Thy form which is auspicious, which is not dreadful, and which manifests what is holy, with that all-blessed form, appear to us, O Dweller among the mountains".LORD SHIVA AND HIS WORSHIPAbhisheka is a part of Shiva Puja. Without Abhisheka, worship of Shiva is incomplete. During Abhisheka Rudra, Purushasukta, Chamaka, Maha-mrityunjaya Japa, panchakshari etc., are chanted. Chamaka is divided into eleven sections. Each of these is then combined with Namaka (Rudra) and repeated. This is called Rudra. Eleven such Rudras make one Laghu Rudra. Eleven Laghu Rudras make one Maharudra. Eleven Maharudras make one Atirudra. Rudra is to be repeated after performing the initial Sankalpa, Puja, Nyasa, Anga. Panchamritasnana and Dhyana. The fruit of Rudra Japa is stated as shown below:No. Of Japa Fruit of Japa1 Rudra Freedom from Bala graha (diseases common to children).3 Rudra Freedom from imminent difficulties with which one is faced.5 Rudra Freedom from the evil effects of certain planets occupying unfavourable positions.7 Rudra Freedom from great fear.9 Rudra The fruit of one Vajapeya sacrifice; and also attainment of peace of mind.11 Rudra getting the favour of kings and great wealth.33 Rudra Attainment of wishes for objects and having no enemies.77 Rudra Enjoyment of great happiness.99 Rudra Attainment of son, grandson, wealth, grain, Dharma, Artha, Kama andMoksha and freedom from death.1 Maharudra Attainment of the favour of kings and becoming the Lord of great wealth.3 Maharudra Fulfillments of impossible tasks.5 Maharudra Acquirement of vast lands.7 Maharudra Attainment of the seven worlds.9 Maharudra Freedom from births and deaths.1 Atirudra Becoming God.AUM Namah Shivay, "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote:>> Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could know the story of Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam of shiva and bhairav choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged from Brahma is new learning.> Thanks a lot. > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it like creation like Brahma or destroying evil?> SR.Rajkumar.> > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote:> Dear Friends,> Please read the following article to know the gradual evolution of Rudra to Siva:> > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html> > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote:> rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva is known as rudra.> OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH> is the best mantra for rudra.> where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra> even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE RUDRAYAH> If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA ADHYAYA (namakam & chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya samhita of the krishna yajur veda, will total devotion.> i do it everyday myself.> > regards,> kanishk> > SR.Raj kumar wrote:> Dear Shivbhakthas,> Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra?> Thanks in advance.> Namah Shivaya.> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > With Best Regards,> > Parasuraman> > Please visit my Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41> > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > > Lord shiva > > > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.>Uday. FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 All souls would like to unite with Siva, that is the nature. We have just lost with the soul, we don't know how to listen to it. So we try everything to attain peace and happiness but can think of material pursuits to be the only way for peace and happiness. When a sould decides to take birth from a certain mother, it has it's own progess in mind and un-fufilled wishes from previous birth. It has to fulfill those wishes and to progress towards the path of union with Siva, it has to start shedding sins of past life. So our souls decides to take a body in a family that will best allow it to achieve it's goals. Once the living beings in this Universe gradually decline in numbner of billions and billions of years, what the point of empty planets? Similarly as long as the body does not know how to listen to the jiva, how does the jiva get what it wants. Siva has pity on these Jiva and eventually cleanses these Jivas of past sins that's when disasters happen and people on mass die at the time of final dissolution. This is how I believe it to be. As to when will Siva decide to restart the Universe....I don't even know how my day will be tomorrow, I or nobody knows this. , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote: > > I have some philosopical questions if any one wants to > answer. > Why does Rudra wants to destroy the world? > Why do all souls and energy have to merge with shiva? > Why and When will shiva decide to recreate the > universe again? > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas> wrote: > > > Rudra is for destruction of misery, even Brahma and > > Vishnu may pray > > to Rudra becuase it is a form of Siva with > > attrributes. Siva took > > form of Rudra at the request of Vishnui and Brahma. > > Rudra is also > > responsible for final dissolution, that is when Siva > > has decided to > > withdraw...all souls and even energy within atoms > > needs to unit with > > Siva. Rudra performs this task just like Brahma and > > Vishnu perform > > the task of creation and maintenance. Brahma, Vishnu > > and Rudra...all > > then unite with Siva until Siva decides to again > > create this > > Universe. > > > > , > > "SR.Raj kumar" > > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could > > know the story of > > Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam of > > shiva and bhairav > > choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged from > > Brahma is new > > learning. > > > Thanks a lot. > > > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it > > like creation > > like Brahma or destroying evil? > > > SR.Rajkumar. > > > > > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > Please read the following article to know the > > gradual evolution of > > Rudra to Siva: > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > > > > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > > > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva > > is known as > > rudra. > > > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > > > is the best mantra for rudra. > > > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > > > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE > > RUDRAYAH > > > If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA > > ADHYAYA (namakam & > > chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya > > samhita of the krishna > > yajur veda, will total devotion. > > > i do it everyday myself. > > > > > > regards, > > > kanishk > > > > > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > > > Dear Shivbhakthas, > > > Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva > > and Rudra. While > > it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I > > need the very > > origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the > > explanation > > fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other > > mantras for > > Rudra? > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > Parasuraman > > > > > > Please visit my Homepage: > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > > the web. > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 It is not destruction . It is assimilation. Everything needs to be recycled and refreshed . Seasons change , so the universe needs to be recycled. Lord Rudra is the Function of recycling, tefreshing, rejuvenation and RE-CREATION. om namo rudraaya athreya On 11/3/05, Udaya S <uday_sp wrote: > Subba Rao Ji, > > My name is Udaya Sankar. I live in USA, portland. I am thinking of doing > Rudra abhishakam. We are telugu people. I could not get preast to prefam > this. Can we get any audio CD or Casets, which say every this how to do etc? > can we do puja using CD. If we get please advice where to get the same. any > body any advice? Please. > > Namaskar, > Uday. > > KASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao wrote: > Sh. Raj kumar, > > "The Shiva Purana" illustrates that Shiva is beyond both Prakriti and > Purusha. Shiva is Mahesvara. He is the witness, well-wisher and > nourisher of all beings. The Gita says: `Upadrashtanumanta cha > bharta bhokta mahesvarah'. > > At the end of Pralaya, the Supreme Lord starts re-creation of the > world. He is then known by the name SadaShiva. Lord Shiva is having > five faces. The first face of Shiva does Krida or play, the second > does penance, the third destroys or dissolves the world, the fourth > protects the people and the fifth, being knowledge, fully covers the > entire universe by its power. He is Isana the creator and promoter of > all beings, from within. > > The first form of Shiva is the enjoyer of Prakriti as Kshetrajna > Purusha. The second is Tatpurusha resting in Sattva-guna, rooted in > Bhogya-Prakriti. The third is Ghora rooted in the eightfold Buddhi > like Dharma, etc. The fourth is Vamadeva rooted in Ahankara and the > fifth is Sadyojata, the presiding deity of the mind. > > The eight forms of Shiva are Sarva, Bhava, Rudra, Ugra, Bhima, > Pasupati, Isana and Mahadeva, rooted respectively in earth, water, > fire, air, ether, Kshetrajna, sun and moon. Shiva is spoken of as > being in eight forms (Ashtamurti). The eight forms of Shiva are the > five elements, the sun, the moon and the priest who performs > sacrifice. > > According to Appar, there are three aspects of Shiva. (1) The lower > Shiva who dissolves the world and who liberates Jivas from their > bondage. (2) The higher form is called Parapara. In this form, Shiva > appears as Shiva and Sakti (Ardhanarisvara). It has the name Param- > Jyoti. (3) Beyond these two forms is the Param, or the ultimate being > from whom Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra originate. It is purely the Shiva's > form. It is formless. It is the Shivam of the Shaiva Siddhanta. It is > Para Brahman of the Upanishads and Vedantins. > > Shiva is distinct from Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. > > Lord Shiva is the Lord of innumerable crores of Brahmandas or worlds. > Isvara united with Maya gives rise to Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra out of > Rajas, Sattva and Tamo Gunas respectively, under the command of Lord > Shiva. Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra are the trinities of the world. > > Rudra is the God who bestows prosperity and destroys suffering. He is > a benevolent Deity who confers auspiciousness, offspring and cattle. > He is the bringer or source of prosperity. Rudra means He who removes > sin or suffering. The names Bhava, Sarva, Pasupati, Ugra, Mahadeva, > Isana and Asani are applied to Rudra. Rudra is not a terror-inspiring > God, but a bestower of welfare or prosperity. He is the one great > Lord of the Universe. Rudra is the ideal of mendicants, because Rudra > alone, of all the deities, is spoken of in the scriptures as the > mendicant-God. He is mentioned as having, the ascetic water-pot in > the Rigveda hymns. > > Rudra represents here Para Brahman or the Supreme Self, the Infinite > or the Absolute. Rudra, after having created all objects, draws > together or takes them all back into Himself at the end of time, > i.e., during cosmic Pralaya or dissolution. Rudra is the destructive > aspect of Siva. There are eleven Rudras in the cosmic hierarchy. > Esoterically, the Pranas (or the ten senses) and the mind represent > the eleven Rudras. Sri Hanuman is a manifestation or aspect of Rudra > only. > > In Siva-Purana, Rudra is another name for Siva. Rudra is one who > destroys the sins and removes the miseries of His devotees and > confers on them wisdom and bliss. Rudra is the Antaryamin or > indweller of all beings. He witnesses silently the actions and > thoughts of men and dispenses the fruits of their actions. > > "That one God, having His eyes, His face, His arms and feet in every > place, when producing heaven and earth, forges them together with His > arms and His wings". May Rudra, the creator and supporter of the > gods, the great seer, the Lord of all, who created at first > Hiranyagarbha, endow us with good thought (pure intellect). "Rudra, > with Thy form which is auspicious, which is not dreadful, and which > manifests what is holy, with that all-blessed form, appear to us, O > Dweller among the mountains". > > LORD SHIVA AND HIS WORSHIP > Abhisheka is a part of Shiva Puja. Without Abhisheka, worship of > Shiva is incomplete. During Abhisheka Rudra, Purushasukta, Chamaka, > Maha-mrityunjaya Japa, panchakshari etc., are chanted. Chamaka is > divided into eleven sections. Each of these is then combined with > Namaka (Rudra) and repeated. This is called Rudra. Eleven such Rudras > make one Laghu Rudra. Eleven Laghu Rudras make one Maharudra. Eleven > Maharudras make one Atirudra. Rudra is to be repeated after > performing the initial Sankalpa, Puja, Nyasa, Anga. Panchamritasnana > and Dhyana. The fruit of Rudra Japa is stated as shown below: > No. Of Japa Fruit of Japa > > 1 Rudra Freedom from Bala graha (diseases common to children). > 3 Rudra Freedom from imminent difficulties with which one is faced. > 5 Rudra Freedom from the evil effects of certain planets occupying > unfavourable positions. > 7 Rudra Freedom from great fear. > 9 Rudra The fruit of one Vajapeya sacrifice; and also attainment of > peace of mind. > 11 Rudra getting the favour of kings and great wealth. > 33 Rudra Attainment of wishes for objects and having no enemies. > 77 Rudra Enjoyment of great happiness. > 99 Rudra Attainment of son, grandson, wealth, grain, Dharma, Artha, > Kama and > Moksha and freedom from death. > 1 Maharudra Attainment of the favour of kings and becoming the Lord > of great wealth. > 3 Maharudra Fulfillments of impossible tasks. > 5 Maharudra Acquirement of vast lands. > 7 Maharudra Attainment of the seven worlds. > 9 Maharudra Freedom from births and deaths. > 1 Atirudra Becoming God. > > AUM Namah Shivay > > > > , "SR.Raj kumar" > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could know the story of > Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam of shiva and bhairav > choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged from Brahma is new > learning. > > Thanks a lot. > > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it like creation > like Brahma or destroying evil? > > SR.Rajkumar. > > > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Please read the following article to know the gradual evolution of > Rudra to Siva: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva is known as > rudra. > > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > > is the best mantra for rudra. > > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE RUDRAYAH > > If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA ADHYAYA (namakam & > chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya samhita of the krishna > yajur veda, will total devotion. > > i do it everyday myself. > > > > regards, > > kanishk > > > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > > Dear Shivbhakthas, > > Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While > it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very > origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. > Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? > > Thanks in advance. > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > Parasuraman > > > > Please visit my Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uday. > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Very nicely said, Please allow me to add a couple of sentences, When we raise a ball above the ground (prithvi tattva) and let go, it falls down - that is the law of karma. Dharma on the contrary is that which upholds everything and sustains (everything). If and when you lift the Atma up, it never ever falls, - Does it? Aum... , "b_jamnadas" <b_jamnadas> wrote: > > All souls would like to unite with Siva, that is the nature. We have > just lost with the soul, we don't know how to listen to it. So we > try everything to attain peace and happiness but can think of > material pursuits to be the only way for peace and happiness. When a > sould decides to take birth from a certain mother, it has it's own > progess in mind and un-fufilled wishes from previous birth. It has > to fulfill those wishes and to progress towards the path of union > with Siva, it has to start shedding sins of past life. So our souls > decides to take a body in a family that will best allow it to > achieve it's goals. Once the living beings in this Universe > gradually decline in numbner of billions and billions of years, what > the point of empty planets? Similarly as long as the body does not > know how to listen to the jiva, how does the jiva get what it wants. > Siva has pity on these Jiva and eventually cleanses these Jivas of > past sins that's when disasters happen and people on mass die at the > time of final dissolution. This is how I believe it to be. > > As to when will Siva decide to restart the Universe....I don't even > know how my day will be tomorrow, I or nobody knows this. > > , Divakara Tanjore > <div_tan> wrote: > > > > I have some philosopical questions if any one wants to > > answer. > > Why does Rudra wants to destroy the world? > > Why do all souls and energy have to merge with shiva? > > Why and When will shiva decide to recreate the > > universe again? > > > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas> wrote: > > > > > Rudra is for destruction of misery, even Brahma and > > > Vishnu may pray > > > to Rudra becuase it is a form of Siva with > > > attrributes. Siva took > > > form of Rudra at the request of Vishnui and Brahma. > > > Rudra is also > > > responsible for final dissolution, that is when Siva > > > has decided to > > > withdraw...all souls and even energy within atoms > > > needs to unit with > > > Siva. Rudra performs this task just like Brahma and > > > Vishnu perform > > > the task of creation and maintenance. Brahma, Vishnu > > > and Rudra...all > > > then unite with Siva until Siva decides to again > > > create this > > > Universe. > > > > > > , > > > "SR.Raj kumar" > > > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could > > > know the story of > > > Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam of > > > shiva and bhairav > > > choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged from > > > Brahma is new > > > learning. > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is it > > > like creation > > > like Brahma or destroying evil? > > > > SR.Rajkumar. > > > > > > > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Please read the following article to know the > > > gradual evolution of > > > Rudra to Siva: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > > > > > > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > > > > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas shiva > > > is known as > > > rudra. > > > > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > > > > is the best mantra for rudra. > > > > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > > > > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE > > > RUDRAYAH > > > > If u want to please rudra then recite the RUDRA > > > ADHYAYA (namakam & > > > chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya > > > samhita of the krishna > > > yajur veda, will total devotion. > > > > i do it everyday myself. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > kanishk > > > > > > > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > > > > Dear Shivbhakthas, > > > > Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva > > > and Rudra. While > > > it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I > > > need the very > > > origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the > > > explanation > > > fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other > > > mantras for > > > Rudra? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Parasuraman > > > > > > > > Please visit my Homepage: > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 In my opinion the souls will never be destroyed, as souls we have continuity, souls mignt merge and become more powerful but souls will not be destroyed. All the lessons, skills, arts we learn will be with us for ever. I believe there is life in a lot of places on the universe and souls travel across the universe, Only planets will be destroyed and new life will be started on some other planet/galaxy. The more a soul learns and becomes good the more closer it gets to the creator Lord Shiva, and such souls become master souls and get more responsibility to help other souls. --- b_jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > All souls would like to unite with Siva, that is the > nature. We have > just lost with the soul, we don't know how to listen > to it. So we > try everything to attain peace and happiness but can > think of > material pursuits to be the only way for peace and > happiness. When a > sould decides to take birth from a certain mother, > it has it's own > progess in mind and un-fufilled wishes from previous > birth. It has > to fulfill those wishes and to progress towards the > path of union > with Siva, it has to start shedding sins of past > life. So our souls > decides to take a body in a family that will best > allow it to > achieve it's goals. Once the living beings in this > Universe > gradually decline in numbner of billions and > billions of years, what > the point of empty planets? Similarly as long as the > body does not > know how to listen to the jiva, how does the jiva > get what it wants. > Siva has pity on these Jiva and eventually cleanses > these Jivas of > past sins that's when disasters happen and people on > mass die at the > time of final dissolution. This is how I believe it > to be. > > As to when will Siva decide to restart the > Universe....I don't even > know how my day will be tomorrow, I or nobody knows > this. > > , > Divakara Tanjore > <div_tan> wrote: > > > > I have some philosopical questions if any one > wants to > > answer. > > Why does Rudra wants to destroy the world? > > Why do all souls and energy have to merge with > shiva? > > Why and When will shiva decide to recreate the > > universe again? > > > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas> wrote: > > > > > Rudra is for destruction of misery, even Brahma > and > > > Vishnu may pray > > > to Rudra becuase it is a form of Siva with > > > attrributes. Siva took > > > form of Rudra at the request of Vishnui and > Brahma. > > > Rudra is also > > > responsible for final dissolution, that is when > Siva > > > has decided to > > > withdraw...all souls and even energy within > atoms > > > needs to unit with > > > Siva. Rudra performs this task just like Brahma > and > > > Vishnu perform > > > the task of creation and maintenance. Brahma, > Vishnu > > > and Rudra...all > > > then unite with Siva until Siva decides to again > > > create this > > > Universe. > > > > > > , > > > "SR.Raj kumar" > > > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could > > > know the story of > > > Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam > of > > > shiva and bhairav > > > choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged > from > > > Brahma is new > > > learning. > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is > it > > > like creation > > > like Brahma or destroying evil? > > > > SR.Rajkumar. > > > > > > > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Please read the following article to know the > > > gradual evolution of > > > Rudra to Siva: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > > > > > > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > > > > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas > shiva > > > is known as > > > rudra. > > > > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > > > > is the best mantra for rudra. > > > > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > > > > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE > > > RUDRAYAH > > > > If u want to please rudra then recite the > RUDRA > > > ADHYAYA (namakam & > > > chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya > > > samhita of the krishna > > > yajur veda, will total devotion. > > > > i do it everyday myself. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > kanishk > > > > > > > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > > > > Dear Shivbhakthas, > > > > Can anybody tell me the difference between > Shiva > > > and Rudra. While > > > it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, > I > > > need the very > > > origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me > the > > > explanation > > > fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the > other > > > mantras for > > > Rudra? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Parasuraman > > > > > > > > Please visit my Homepage: > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Soul is Jeevaathma a part of Paramaathma . It is eternal . athreya On 11/4/05, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > In my opinion the souls will never be destroyed, as > souls we have continuity, souls mignt merge and become > more powerful but souls will not be destroyed. All the > lessons, skills, arts we learn will be with us for > ever. I believe there is life in a lot of places on > the universe and souls travel across the universe, > Only planets will be destroyed and new life will be > started on some other planet/galaxy. The more a soul > learns and becomes good the more closer it gets to the > creator Lord Shiva, and such souls become master souls > and get more responsibility to help other souls. > > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamna> wrote: > > > All souls would like to unite with Siva, that is the > > nature. We have > > just lost with the soul, we don't know how to listen > > to it. So we > > try everything to attain peace and happiness but can > > think of > > material pursuits to be the only way for peace and > > happiness. When a > > sould decides to take birth from a certain mother, > > it has it's own > > progess in mind and un-fufilled wishes from previous > > birth. It has > > to fulfill those wishes and to progress towards the > > path of union > > with Siva, it has to start shedding sins of past > > life. So our souls > > decides to take a body in a family that will best > > allow it to > > achieve it's goals. Once the living beings in this > > Universe > > gradually decline in numbner of billions and > > billions of years, what > > the point of empty planets? Similarly as long as the > > body does not > > know how to listen to the jiva, how does the jiva > > get what it wants. > > Siva has pity on these Jiva and eventually cleanses > > these Jivas of > > past sins that's when disasters happen and people on > > mass die at the > > time of final dissolution. This is how I believe it > > to be. > > > > As to when will Siva decide to restart the > > Universe....I don't even > > know how my day will be tomorrow, I or nobody knows > > this. > > > > , > > Divakara Tanjore > > <div_tan> wrote: > > > > > > I have some philosopical questions if any one > > wants to > > > answer. > > > Why does Rudra wants to destroy the world? > > > Why do all souls and energy have to merge with > > shiva? > > > Why and When will shiva decide to recreate the > > > universe again? > > > > > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas> wrote: > > > > > > > Rudra is for destruction of misery, even Brahma > > and > > > > Vishnu may pray > > > > to Rudra becuase it is a form of Siva with > > > > attrributes. Siva took > > > > form of Rudra at the request of Vishnui and > > Brahma. > > > > Rudra is also > > > > responsible for final dissolution, that is when > > Siva > > > > has decided to > > > > withdraw...all souls and even energy within > > atoms > > > > needs to unit with > > > > Siva. Rudra performs this task just like Brahma > > and > > > > Vishnu perform > > > > the task of creation and maintenance. Brahma, > > Vishnu > > > > and Rudra...all > > > > then unite with Siva until Siva decides to again > > > > create this > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > , > > > > "SR.Raj kumar" > > > > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could > > > > know the story of > > > > Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam > > of > > > > shiva and bhairav > > > > choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged > > from > > > > Brahma is new > > > > learning. > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is > > it > > > > like creation > > > > like Brahma or destroying evil? > > > > > SR.Rajkumar. > > > > > > > > > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > Please read the following article to know the > > > > gradual evolution of > > > > Rudra to Siva: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > > > > > > > > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > > > > > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas > > shiva > > > > is known as > > > > rudra. > > > > > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > > > > > is the best mantra for rudra. > > > > > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > > > > > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE > > > > RUDRAYAH > > > > > If u want to please rudra then recite the > > RUDRA > > > > ADHYAYA (namakam & > > > > chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya > > > > samhita of the krishna > > > > yajur veda, will total devotion. > > > > > i do it everyday myself. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > kanishk > > > > > > > > > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > > > > > Dear Shivbhakthas, > > > > > Can anybody tell me the difference between > > Shiva > > > > and Rudra. While > > > > it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, > > I > > > > need the very > > > > origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me > > the > > > > explanation > > > > fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the > > other > > > > mantras for > > > > Rudra? > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Parasuraman > > > > > > > > > > Please visit my Homepage: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 You are correct, souls are not destroyed. When jiva units with Siva, this does not mean it is destroyed, iot just means it has gone back to where it belongs. At the time of dissolution, the entire universe collapses, we are not talking simply about earth over here. At the same time, just becuase the lifespan of eaerth has ended doesn;t mean the Universe is gone as well. It is true that this Universe has differest planets and world. It is upto your soul and krama though whether it wants to(or it has to) make that journey to other higher or lower worlds before union with Siva or not. The key here is to have unfullfilled wishes come to fulfillment and cleanse from past sins. BJ , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote: > > In my opinion the souls will never be destroyed, as > souls we have continuity, souls mignt merge and become > more powerful but souls will not be destroyed. All the > lessons, skills, arts we learn will be with us for > ever. I believe there is life in a lot of places on > the universe and souls travel across the universe, > Only planets will be destroyed and new life will be > started on some other planet/galaxy. The more a soul > learns and becomes good the more closer it gets to the > creator Lord Shiva, and such souls become master souls > and get more responsibility to help other souls. > > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas> wrote: > > > All souls would like to unite with Siva, that is the > > nature. We have > > just lost with the soul, we don't know how to listen > > to it. So we > > try everything to attain peace and happiness but can > > think of > > material pursuits to be the only way for peace and > > happiness. When a > > sould decides to take birth from a certain mother, > > it has it's own > > progess in mind and un-fufilled wishes from previous > > birth. It has > > to fulfill those wishes and to progress towards the > > path of union > > with Siva, it has to start shedding sins of past > > life. So our souls > > decides to take a body in a family that will best > > allow it to > > achieve it's goals. Once the living beings in this > > Universe > > gradually decline in numbner of billions and > > billions of years, what > > the point of empty planets? Similarly as long as the > > body does not > > know how to listen to the jiva, how does the jiva > > get what it wants. > > Siva has pity on these Jiva and eventually cleanses > > these Jivas of > > past sins that's when disasters happen and people on > > mass die at the > > time of final dissolution. This is how I believe it > > to be. > > > > As to when will Siva decide to restart the > > Universe....I don't even > > know how my day will be tomorrow, I or nobody knows > > this. > > > > , > > Divakara Tanjore > > <div_tan> wrote: > > > > > > I have some philosopical questions if any one > > wants to > > > answer. > > > Why does Rudra wants to destroy the world? > > > Why do all souls and energy have to merge with > > shiva? > > > Why and When will shiva decide to recreate the > > > universe again? > > > > > > --- b_jamnadas <b_jamnadas> wrote: > > > > > > > Rudra is for destruction of misery, even Brahma > > and > > > > Vishnu may pray > > > > to Rudra becuase it is a form of Siva with > > > > attrributes. Siva took > > > > form of Rudra at the request of Vishnui and > > Brahma. > > > > Rudra is also > > > > responsible for final dissolution, that is when > > Siva > > > > has decided to > > > > withdraw...all souls and even energy within > > atoms > > > > needs to unit with > > > > Siva. Rudra performs this task just like Brahma > > and > > > > Vishnu perform > > > > the task of creation and maintenance. Brahma, > > Vishnu > > > > and Rudra...all > > > > then unite with Siva until Siva decides to again > > > > create this > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > , > > > > "SR.Raj kumar" > > > > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for clarifying my doubt. I could > > > > know the story of > > > > Vishnu and brahma tryihng to findout the lingam > > of > > > > shiva and bhairav > > > > choping brahma's head. But that Rudra emerged > > from > > > > Brahma is new > > > > learning. > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > Another doubt.---What is the role of Rudra? Is > > it > > > > like creation > > > > like Brahma or destroying evil? > > > > > SR.Rajkumar. > > > > > > > > > > Parasuraman <parasu41> wrote: > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > Please read the following article to know the > > > > gradual evolution of > > > > Rudra to Siva: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41/rudram_chamakam.html > > > > > > > > > > kc3377 <kc3377> wrote: > > > > > rudra and shiva are the same....in the vedas > > shiva > > > > is known as > > > > rudra. > > > > > OM RUM RUDRAYA NAMAH > > > > > is the best mantra for rudra. > > > > > where RUM is the beej mantra for rudra > > > > > even another mantra is there: OM NAMO BHAGVATE > > > > RUDRAYAH > > > > > If u want to please rudra then recite the > > RUDRA > > > > ADHYAYA (namakam & > > > > chamakam), which is taken from the taittiriya > > > > samhita of the krishna > > > > yajur veda, will total devotion. > > > > > i do it everyday myself. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > kanishk > > > > > > > > > > SR.Raj kumar wrote: > > > > > Dear Shivbhakthas, > > > > > Can anybody tell me the difference between > > Shiva > > > > and Rudra. While > > > > it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, > > I > > > > need the very > > > > origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me > > the > > > > explanation > > > > fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the > > other > > > > mantras for > > > > Rudra? > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Parasuraman > > > > > > > > > > Please visit my Homepage: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Here is my two-cents worth on the questions raised by Sri Divakar: Shiva is the paramatma and we souls are jivatmas, that are actually sparks from the paramatma. Like drops of rain that fall on the ocean are recirculated by the sun, jivatmas have a life cycle. They first separtate from their source, involute into matter, experience the pleasures and pains of their repeated births, and with the fruits of such experiences, ascend and evolve towards the source. Millions of such souls in different stages of ascension, spend their lives in the seven worlds of nature until the end of the cosmic time cycle when pralaya sets in. Lord Shiva at the end of the cycle plays the role of Rudra to regenerate the souls. To regenerate is to cause a spiritual rebirth, which might be in the current or a new form. Shiva destroys the universes, absorbs the souls in their current stage of evolution and when the new cycle of creation commences, he regerates them. In this new cycle, a new Brahma creates a new universe, carrying over from the last stage of evolution. Vishnu pervades all matter in the universe (sarvam vishnu mayam jagat) and evolves forms out of the matter that Brahma has created. Shiva ensouls the forms with divine consciousness. The divine law of time cycles never changes. Shiva might accelerate the evolution deserving souls, but I think he never alters the time cycle. As to why the souls have to merge with Shiva, the answer might be that since they originated from Shiva it is in their nature to get back to their source. It is the mighty breathing out of the one God that creates all manifestations which are drawn back during the breathing in. One way of viewing the why of such things is to consider them as Lord Shiva's lilas. Regards, saidevo , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote: > > I have some philosopical questions if any one wants to > answer. > Why does Rudra wants to destroy the world? > Why do all souls and energy have to merge with shiva? > Why and When will shiva decide to recreate the > universe again? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 yes u are right......it is given in the RUDRA YAMAL (uttarkhand) The shiv that u are reffering to is actually sadashiv Rudra is the form of shiv who stays in kailas. according to the book RUDRA YAMAL there are 18 rudras. Nandishwar, veerbhadra, narsimhadev,....etc Anand wrote: Message I'll try and start it and then maybe others can pitch in to correct/add/re-write as appropriate......... At the time of the great war between Brahma & Vishnu as to who is the greatest, both of them entered into continuous discussions. Brahma was saying that He became awakened first and hence He ought to be greater and Vishnu was arguing that Brahma is part of Vishnu and hence He ought to be greater. In the end and in the interest to start the life and forms of life, Siva decided to test the abilities of both Brahma & Vishnu. He appeared in front of them in the form of a pillar of fire in the place of Jyotirlinga. The pillar was so high that you could not see the top of it and so deep that you could not see the bottom of it. Then the Lord put a thought in both Brahma & Vishnu's mind that they can decide who is greater by finding either end of the pillar of fire. Brahma took the form of a swan and flew to the heavens. Vishnu took the form of a mouse and took to the ground and to the nether worlds. After a hundred years of searching, they both returned. Vishnu spoke first and said that He could not find the bottom of the pillar of fire. Brahma on the other hand trying to settle the dispute quickly, said that he could not get to the top but could see the end of the pillar of fire. Although it was not a lie, it was not absolute truth either. This is when Lord Siva showed them His and Sakti's forms. The ability of Brahma to be able to tell the 'not so accurate truth' earned Brahma the task of creation as He could visualise what would happen before it happened. Whereas the absolute honesty of Vishnu earned Him the task of being beholder and preserver of the worlds. This is because He would do justice to all without being prejudiced in any sense what-so-ever. This is the reason why Lord Vishnu takes on the necessary form to address the balance between good and evil as well as the greater task of preserving life in all of it's glory. However there was a dispute as to who should end the worlds. Brahma said that He could not as being the creator, He is like a mother to the worlds and as such would be setting a bad precedent by being the destroyer as well. Similarly Vishnu had an objection that being the preserver of life, He ought to be seen as the Father and again would be setting a wrong precedent by being the destroyer as well. Therefore to settle the problem, Siva blessed both Brahma & Vishnu by accepting the role of destroyer and created an image of himself which is the Image of first Rudra and most commonly associated with the physical form of Siva. Therefore as the story tells, Siva was, is and would be what remains of this creation. Rest everything including all of the shapes, forms, images would eventually dissolve into Him. Whereas Rudra is a form of Siva. Hope this helps.......... Kind regards Anand [] On Behalf Of SR.Raj kumar 01 November 2005 06:11 Rudra and Shiva Dear Shivbhakthas, Can anybody tell me the difference between Shiva and Rudra. While it is known that Rudra is a form/part of shiva, I need the very origin of incarnation of Rudra. Please give me the explanation fully. Other than panachakshari, what are the other mantras for Rudra? Thanks in advance. Namah Shivaya. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Dear Sri Saidevo, Thank you for your explanations, more questions are raising in my mind, please explain them leisurely. are there only seven lokas in this universe?, I have read a book by famous Psychic Sylvia brown who says that there are many many worlds in this universe. Thanks, Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- saidevo <saidevo wrote: > Here is my two-cents worth on the questions raised > by Sri Divakar: > > Shiva is the paramatma and we souls are jivatmas, > that are > actually sparks from the paramatma. Like drops of > rain that fall > on the ocean are recirculated by the sun, jivatmas > have a life > cycle. They first separtate from their source, > involute into > matter, experience the pleasures and pains of their > repeated > births, and with the fruits of such experiences, > ascend and > evolve towards the source. > > Millions of such souls in different stages of > ascension, spend > their lives in the seven worlds of nature until the > end of the > cosmic time cycle when pralaya sets in. Lord Shiva > at the end > of the cycle plays the role of Rudra to regenerate > the souls. > To regenerate is to cause a spiritual rebirth, which > might be > in the current or a new form. Shiva destroys the > universes, > absorbs the souls in their current stage of > evolution and when > the new cycle of creation commences, he regerates > them. In this > new cycle, a new Brahma creates a new universe, > carrying over > from the last stage of evolution. Vishnu pervades > all matter > in the universe (sarvam vishnu mayam jagat) and > evolves forms > out of the matter that Brahma has created. Shiva > ensouls the > forms with divine consciousness. > > The divine law of time cycles never changes. Shiva > might > accelerate the evolution deserving souls, but I > think he never > alters the time cycle. > > As to why the souls have to merge with Shiva, the > answer might > be that since they originated from Shiva it is in > their nature > to get back to their source. It is the mighty > breathing out of > the one God that creates all manifestations which > are drawn back > during the breathing in. One way of viewing the why > of such > things is to consider them as Lord Shiva's lilas. > > Regards, > saidevo > > , > Divakara Tanjore > <div_tan> wrote: > > > > I have some philosopical questions if any one > wants to > > answer. > > Why does Rudra wants to destroy the world? > > Why do all souls and energy have to merge with > shiva? > > Why and When will shiva decide to recreate the > > universe again? > > > > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Sh.Divakara, There are six loks are planes above the holy Earth (Prithvi or Bhulok) 1. Bhuvarlok, 2. Suvarlok, 3. MaharLok 4. Janalok 5. Tapolok 6. Satyalok During the parlay Kal Bhulok, Bhvar Lok and Suvalok are destroyed, however the remaining four Mahar lok, Janalok, Tapolok, and satya lok are eternal and permanent. (Reference- Brahma Puran) The Lower Levels or Hinder Loks from Holy Prithvi are 1. Atal, 2. Vital, 3. Nital, (Tala Tal) 4. Gamastiman, (Rasa tal) 5. Mahatal, 6. Sutal 7. And Patal. (Reference- Vishnu Puran. The bracketed names shall be considered as equivalent, which are taken from Rig Veda) A Sincere Request: As the question was raised, afore said matter was reproduced. Please do not attach too much to it. This section of knowledge may come in the way of meditation and may affect its progress. AUM Namah Shivay , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote: > > Dear Sri Saidevo, > > Thank you for your explanations, more questions are > raising in my mind, please explain them leisurely. > > are there only seven lokas in this universe?, I have > read a book by famous Psychic Sylvia brown who says > that there are many many worlds in this universe. > > Thanks, > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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