Dipavali is on October 2, 2005 --- Give yourself a lead to others instead of waiting for others to lead you!

[Guest guest]

Dear Avtar kaul ji,

 

There is a saying in telugu which says that "a Barber

with out work went and shaved a cat", you remind me of

that saying (no offence to anyone, I am just using the

saying), you just keep dumping this information on

people even after people are rejecting it.

 

Also there are a lot of pressing problems in this

world and India, like poverty, lack of education and

increase of natural calamities, why you dont you focus

your knowledge and time on that and do some good for

the society.

 

Om namah shivaya,

Best Regards,

Divakar.

 

--- jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

 

> Shri Ashok Basargekarji,

> Namaskar!

> As per the criteria fixed in the Report of the

> (Saha) Calendar Reform Committee, Narka Chaturdashi

> takes place in Ashvina Krishna (known as Kartika

> Krishna in Northern India) Chaturdashi that has to

> be prevailing at Arunodaya. Same is the criterion

> fixed by Swami Kannu Pillai in his Indian Ephemeris.

> This is also the criterion as per Dharma Sindhu and

> Nirnaya Sindhu. As such, your contention that

> Narkasura was killed in Ashvina Krishna (Karitka

> Krishna in Nrothern India)Chaturdashi is correct.

>

> Now the question as to when the lunar Ashvina

> Krishna (Kartika Krishna) Chaturdashi is to be

> celebrated:

>

> The earliest work of Indian astronomy available as

> on date is the Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha. I am

> sure you must be knowing Marathi, so I would suggest

> you to get a copy of Pt. Balkrishen Dikshit's

> "Bharatiya Jyotish" in Marathi. It has been

> reprinted by some publisher in Pune. There is no

> better translation of the mantras of the Vedanga

> Jyotisha available anywhere than the one in that

> work. Fifth mantra of this work has been

> translatedd into English by the same scholar as

> follows:

> "When the sun and the moon while moving in the sky,

> come to Vasava (Danishtha), Beta Delhpini star

> together, then the Yuga, the Magha (month) the Tapas

> season, the light half of the month and the winter

> solstice, all commence together". Then the sixth

> mantra says,

> "The sun and the moon turn towards North in the

> beginning of Dhanishtha and towards South in the

> middle of Ashlesha. The sun alwasy does this

> respectively in the month of Magha and Shravana".

>

> Then in the seventh mantra the Rishis emphasizes

> that by Uttarayana he means nothing but the

> "shortest day of the year".

>

> It does not leave any doubt in anybody's mind as to

> the fact that solar Tapas-cum-Magha is another name

> of Uttarayana. Consequetnly, you cannot expect

> lunar Magha to start two months earlier or later

> than this phenomenon since that would have been the

> case if we had been following the dictum of "Vedic

> astrologers" -- divesting lunar months from their

> solar counterparts and also seasons! Obviously,

> Magha Shukla paksha started with the first New Moon

> of Utarayana of 2004 and that was on January 11,

> 2005. By the same logic, there having been no

> adhika-kshyaya masa in 2005, Ashivna Shukla Paksha

> started on September 4, 2005 and Narka Chaturdashi

> is therefore on October 2, 2005, as Chaturdashi at

> Arunodaya is only on that date. Since Amavasya is

> prevailing at Nishith/Pradosha on that date, that is

> why it is Dipavali as well on October 2, 2005.

>

> In fact, this is the criterion exhorted by other

> shastras as well. I have quoted from the Vedanga

> Jyotisha only because that is an "authority" for all

> types of Hindus, whether Aryasamajis, sanatanis or

> Shaivites or Vaishanavas and so on.

>

> There are vested interests who do not want to

> deviate from their vested activities deliberately.

> To expect them to go by the true criteria is

> expecting too much. (Please see Raman1.doc on

> HinduCalendar forum) But then, we must ourselves

> celebrate our festivals on correct days. I,

> tehrfore, suggest that you give yourself a lead in

> this direction instead of waiting for others to lead

> you!

> ]

> With regards,

> Avtar Krishen Kaul

>

> -

> "Ashok Basargekar"

> <ashok_basargekar

> <jyotirved

> Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:14 AM

> Deepavali Festival Date

>

>

> > Dear Avataarji,

> > I know that you are promoting the idea of

> cellebrating Deepaavali on

> > October 2. It will be interesting to see how many

> people in India will

> > go for it. Narakaasura was killed on the Tithi

> Naraka Chaturdashi in

> > paxa Krishna in the month of Ashwin. To my

> calculations based on Maas

> > as a function of Tithi and Solar Longitude which

> has nothing to do

> > with Niryana Longitude are based on the Algorithms

> by Jean Meeus.

> > October 2 is in Krishna Chaturdashi in the month

> of Bhadrapada. May be

> > Narakaasura was killed on October 2 per your

> calculations but it is

> > interesting to see when the actual fireworks in

> India will take place.

> > Even though December 21 is the shortest day of any

> year I think people

> > in India will still prefer to choose January 14 as

> Makar Sankranti.

> > People in India believe in Vedas the word

> originated from Vadati which

> > refers to spoken "by word of mouth" from

> generations to generations.

> > It will be very hard for digesting the change even

> it may be the

> > correct one.

> >

> >

> >

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Shri Diwakar -

 

Your telugu proverb is really out of context. Some way or the other

what Shri Avtar is talking about is connected to this religious

group. This group perhaps can discuss about Shiva and in a broader

scope religious matter. May not be about food, povery - though they

are very important!! There are other for that.

 

Regards

Venu Komanduri

 

, Divakara Tanjore

<div_tan> wrote:

> Dear Avtar kaul ji,

>

> There is a saying in telugu which says that "a Barber

> with out work went and shaved a cat", you remind me of

> that saying (no offence to anyone, I am just using the

> saying), you just keep dumping this information on

> people even after people are rejecting it.

>

> Also there are a lot of pressing problems in this

> world and India, like poverty, lack of education and

> increase of natural calamities, why you dont you focus

> your knowledge and time on that and do some good for

> the society.

>

> Om namah shivaya,

> Best Regards,

> Divakar.

>

> --- jyotirved <jyotirved@s...> wrote:

>

> > Shri Ashok Basargekarji,

> > Namaskar!

> > As per the criteria fixed in the Report of the

> > (Saha) Calendar Reform Committee, Narka Chaturdashi

> > takes place in Ashvina Krishna (known as Kartika

> > Krishna in Northern India) Chaturdashi that has to

> > be prevailing at Arunodaya. Same is the criterion

> > fixed by Swami Kannu Pillai in his Indian Ephemeris.

> > This is also the criterion as per Dharma Sindhu and

> > Nirnaya Sindhu. As such, your contention that

> > Narkasura was killed in Ashvina Krishna (Karitka

> > Krishna in Nrothern India)Chaturdashi is correct.

> >

> > Now the question as to when the lunar Ashvina

> > Krishna (Kartika Krishna) Chaturdashi is to be

> > celebrated:

> >

> > The earliest work of Indian astronomy available as

> > on date is the Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha. I am

> > sure you must be knowing Marathi, so I would suggest

> > you to get a copy of Pt. Balkrishen Dikshit's

> > "Bharatiya Jyotish" in Marathi. It has been

> > reprinted by some publisher in Pune. There is no

> > better translation of the mantras of the Vedanga

> > Jyotisha available anywhere than the one in that

> > work. Fifth mantra of this work has been

> > translatedd into English by the same scholar as

> > follows:

> > "When the sun and the moon while moving in the sky,

> > come to Vasava (Danishtha), Beta Delhpini star

> > together, then the Yuga, the Magha (month) the Tapas

> > season, the light half of the month and the winter

> > solstice, all commence together". Then the sixth

> > mantra says,

> > "The sun and the moon turn towards North in the

> > beginning of Dhanishtha and towards South in the

> > middle of Ashlesha. The sun alwasy does this

> > respectively in the month of Magha and Shravana".

> >

> > Then in the seventh mantra the Rishis emphasizes

> > that by Uttarayana he means nothing but the

> > "shortest day of the year".

> >

> > It does not leave any doubt in anybody's mind as to

> > the fact that solar Tapas-cum-Magha is another name

> > of Uttarayana. Consequetnly, you cannot expect

> > lunar Magha to start two months earlier or later

> > than this phenomenon since that would have been the

> > case if we had been following the dictum of "Vedic

> > astrologers" -- divesting lunar months from their

> > solar counterparts and also seasons! Obviously,

> > Magha Shukla paksha started with the first New Moon

> > of Utarayana of 2004 and that was on January 11,

> > 2005. By the same logic, there having been no

> > adhika-kshyaya masa in 2005, Ashivna Shukla Paksha

> > started on September 4, 2005 and Narka Chaturdashi

> > is therefore on October 2, 2005, as Chaturdashi at

> > Arunodaya is only on that date. Since Amavasya is

> > prevailing at Nishith/Pradosha on that date, that is

> > why it is Dipavali as well on October 2, 2005.

> >

> > In fact, this is the criterion exhorted by other

> > shastras as well. I have quoted from the Vedanga

> > Jyotisha only because that is an "authority" for all

> > types of Hindus, whether Aryasamajis, sanatanis or

> > Shaivites or Vaishanavas and so on.

> >

> > There are vested interests who do not want to

> > deviate from their vested activities deliberately.

> > To expect them to go by the true criteria is

> > expecting too much. (Please see Raman1.doc on

> > HinduCalendar forum) But then, we must ourselves

> > celebrate our festivals on correct days. I,

> > tehrfore, suggest that you give yourself a lead in

> > this direction instead of waiting for others to lead

> > you!

> > ]

> > With regards,

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul

> >

> > -

> > "Ashok Basargekar"

> > <ashok_basargekar>

> > <jyotirved@s...>

> > Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:14 AM

> > Deepavali Festival Date

> >

> >

> > > Dear Avataarji,

> > > I know that you are promoting the idea of

> > cellebrating Deepaavali on

> > > October 2. It will be interesting to see how many

> > people in India will

> > > go for it. Narakaasura was killed on the Tithi

> > Naraka Chaturdashi in

> > > paxa Krishna in the month of Ashwin. To my

> > calculations based on Maas

> > > as a function of Tithi and Solar Longitude which

> > has nothing to do

> > > with Niryana Longitude are based on the Algorithms

> > by Jean Meeus.

> > > October 2 is in Krishna Chaturdashi in the month

> > of Bhadrapada. May be

> > > Narakaasura was killed on October 2 per your

> > calculations but it is

> > > interesting to see when the actual fireworks in

> > India will take place.

> > > Even though December 21 is the shortest day of any

> > year I think people

> > > in India will still prefer to choose January 14 as

> > Makar Sankranti.

> > > People in India believe in Vedas the word

> > originated from Vadati which

> > > refers to spoken "by word of mouth" from

> > generations to generations.

> > > It will be very hard for digesting the change even

> > it may be the

> > > correct one.

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Shri Venu,

 

Probably you have misunderstood what I said. In my

opinion it will not make any difference when we

celebrate festivals as long as we have bhakti in our

hearts and our focus should be practial and be for the

welfare of humanity.

 

 

Divakar.

 

--- venukgopal <venukgopal wrote:

 

> Shri Diwakar -

>

> Your telugu proverb is really out of context. Some

> way or the other

> what Shri Avtar is talking about is connected to

> this religious

> group. This group perhaps can discuss about Shiva

> and in a broader

> scope religious matter. May not be about food,

> povery - though they

> are very important!! There are other

> for that.

>

> Regards

> Venu Komanduri

>

> ,

> Divakara Tanjore

> <div_tan> wrote:

> > Dear Avtar kaul ji,

> >

> > There is a saying in telugu which says that "a

> Barber

> > with out work went and shaved a cat", you remind

> me of

> > that saying (no offence to anyone, I am just using

> the

> > saying), you just keep dumping this information on

> > people even after people are rejecting it.

> >

> > Also there are a lot of pressing problems in this

> > world and India, like poverty, lack of education

> and

> > increase of natural calamities, why you dont you

> focus

> > your knowledge and time on that and do some good

> for

> > the society.

> >

> > Om namah shivaya,

> > Best Regards,

> > Divakar.

> >

> > --- jyotirved <jyotirved@s...> wrote:

> >

> > > Shri Ashok Basargekarji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > As per the criteria fixed in the Report of the

> > > (Saha) Calendar Reform Committee, Narka

> Chaturdashi

> > > takes place in Ashvina Krishna (known as Kartika

> > > Krishna in Northern India) Chaturdashi that has

> to

> > > be prevailing at Arunodaya. Same is the

> criterion

> > > fixed by Swami Kannu Pillai in his Indian

> Ephemeris.

> > > This is also the criterion as per Dharma Sindhu

> and

> > > Nirnaya Sindhu. As such, your contention that

> > > Narkasura was killed in Ashvina Krishna (Karitka

> > > Krishna in Nrothern India)Chaturdashi is

> correct.

> > >

> > > Now the question as to when the lunar Ashvina

> > > Krishna (Kartika Krishna) Chaturdashi is to be

> > > celebrated:

> > >

> > > The earliest work of Indian astronomy available

> as

> > > on date is the Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha. I

> am

> > > sure you must be knowing Marathi, so I would

> suggest

> > > you to get a copy of Pt. Balkrishen Dikshit's

> > > "Bharatiya Jyotish" in Marathi. It has been

> > > reprinted by some publisher in Pune. There is

> no

> > > better translation of the mantras of the Vedanga

> > > Jyotisha available anywhere than the one in that

> > > work. Fifth mantra of this work has been

> > > translatedd into English by the same scholar as

> > > follows:

> > > "When the sun and the moon while moving in the

> sky,

> > > come to Vasava (Danishtha), Beta Delhpini star

> > > together, then the Yuga, the Magha (month) the

> Tapas

> > > season, the light half of the month and the

> winter

> > > solstice, all commence together". Then the

> sixth

> > > mantra says,

> > > "The sun and the moon turn towards North in the

> > > beginning of Dhanishtha and towards South in the

> > > middle of Ashlesha. The sun alwasy does this

> > > respectively in the month of Magha and

> Shravana".

> > >

> > > Then in the seventh mantra the Rishis emphasizes

> > > that by Uttarayana he means nothing but the

> > > "shortest day of the year".

> > >

> > > It does not leave any doubt in anybody's mind as

> to

> > > the fact that solar Tapas-cum-Magha is another

> name

> > > of Uttarayana. Consequetnly, you cannot expect

> > > lunar Magha to start two months earlier or later

> > > than this phenomenon since that would have been

> the

> > > case if we had been following the dictum of

> "Vedic

> > > astrologers" -- divesting lunar months from

> their

> > > solar counterparts and also seasons! Obviously,

> > > Magha Shukla paksha started with the first New

> Moon

> > > of Utarayana of 2004 and that was on January 11,

> > > 2005. By the same logic, there having been no

> > > adhika-kshyaya masa in 2005, Ashivna Shukla

> Paksha

> > > started on September 4, 2005 and Narka

> Chaturdashi

> > > is therefore on October 2, 2005, as Chaturdashi

> at

> > > Arunodaya is only on that date. Since Amavasya

> is

> > > prevailing at Nishith/Pradosha on that date,

> that is

> > > why it is Dipavali as well on October 2, 2005.

> > >

> > > In fact, this is the criterion exhorted by other

> > > shastras as well. I have quoted from the

> Vedanga

> > > Jyotisha only because that is an "authority" for

> all

> > > types of Hindus, whether Aryasamajis, sanatanis

> or

> > > Shaivites or Vaishanavas and so on.

> > >

> > > There are vested interests who do not want to

> > > deviate from their vested activities

> deliberately.

> > > To expect them to go by the true criteria is

> > > expecting too much. (Please see Raman1.doc on

> > > HinduCalendar forum) But then, we must ourselves

> > > celebrate our festivals on correct days. I,

> > > tehrfore, suggest that you give yourself a lead

> in

> > > this direction instead of waiting for others to

> lead

> > > you!

> > > ]

> > > With regards,

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Ashok Basargekar"

> > > <ashok_basargekar>

> > > <jyotirved@s...>

> > > Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:14 AM

> > > Deepavali Festival Date

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Avataarji,

> > > > I know that you are promoting the idea of

> > > cellebrating Deepaavali on

> > > > October 2. It will be interesting to see how

> many

> > > people in India will

> > > > go for it. Narakaasura was killed on the Tithi

> > > Naraka Chaturdashi in

> > > > paxa Krishna in the month of Ashwin. To my

> > > calculations based on Maas

> > > > as a function of Tithi and Solar Longitude

> which

> > > has nothing to do

> > > > with Niryana Longitude are based on the

> Algorithms

> > > by Jean Meeus.

> > > > October 2 is in Krishna Chaturdashi in the

> month

> > > of Bhadrapada. May be

> > > > Narakaasura was killed on October 2 per your

> > > calculations but it is

> > > > interesting to see when the actual fireworks

> in

> > > India will take place.

> > > > Even though December 21 is the shortest day of

> any

> > > year I think people

> > > > in India will still prefer to choose January

> 14 as

> > > Makar Sankranti.

> > > > People in India believe in Vedas the word

> > > originated from Vadati which

> > > > refers to spoken "by word of mouth" from

> > > generations to generations.

> > > > It will be very hard for digesting the change

> even

>

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[Guest guest]

Shri Diwakar -

 

I respect your opinion and belief. I very much am of the same

impression when it comes to God and I did not misunderstood your this

opinion.

 

But much the same way, I was trying to say, there are different

opinions from different people. This is a place where we want to

express, there by learn from others. Some persons bring more

information that we are not currently aware of. Like it, use it.

 

Regards.

, Divakara Tanjore

<div_tan> wrote:

> Shri Venu,

>

> Probably you have misunderstood what I said. In my

> opinion it will not make any difference when we

> celebrate festivals as long as we have bhakti in our

> hearts and our focus should be practial and be for the

> welfare of humanity.

>

>

> Divakar.

>

> --- venukgopal <venukgopal> wrote:

>

> > Shri Diwakar -

> >

> > Your telugu proverb is really out of context. Some

> > way or the other

> > what Shri Avtar is talking about is connected to

> > this religious

> > group. This group perhaps can discuss about Shiva

> > and in a broader

> > scope religious matter. May not be about food,

> > povery - though they

> > are very important!! There are other

> > for that.

> >

> > Regards

> > Venu Komanduri

> >

> > ,

> > Divakara Tanjore

> > <div_tan> wrote:

> > > Dear Avtar kaul ji,

> > >

> > > There is a saying in telugu which says that "a

> > Barber

> > > with out work went and shaved a cat", you remind

> > me of

> > > that saying (no offence to anyone, I am just using

> > the

> > > saying), you just keep dumping this information on

> > > people even after people are rejecting it.

> > >

> > > Also there are a lot of pressing problems in this

> > > world and India, like poverty, lack of education

> > and

> > > increase of natural calamities, why you dont you

> > focus

> > > your knowledge and time on that and do some good

> > for

> > > the society.

> > >

> > > Om namah shivaya,

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Divakar.

> > >

> > > --- jyotirved <jyotirved@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Shri Ashok Basargekarji,

> > > > Namaskar!

> > > > As per the criteria fixed in the Report of the

> > > > (Saha) Calendar Reform Committee, Narka

> > Chaturdashi

> > > > takes place in Ashvina Krishna (known as Kartika

> > > > Krishna in Northern India) Chaturdashi that has

> > to

> > > > be prevailing at Arunodaya. Same is the

> > criterion

> > > > fixed by Swami Kannu Pillai in his Indian

> > Ephemeris.

> > > > This is also the criterion as per Dharma Sindhu

> > and

> > > > Nirnaya Sindhu. As such, your contention that

> > > > Narkasura was killed in Ashvina Krishna (Karitka

> > > > Krishna in Nrothern India)Chaturdashi is

> > correct.

> > > >

> > > > Now the question as to when the lunar Ashvina

> > > > Krishna (Kartika Krishna) Chaturdashi is to be

> > > > celebrated:

> > > >

> > > > The earliest work of Indian astronomy available

> > as

> > > > on date is the Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha. I

> > am

> > > > sure you must be knowing Marathi, so I would

> > suggest

> > > > you to get a copy of Pt. Balkrishen Dikshit's

> > > > "Bharatiya Jyotish" in Marathi. It has been

> > > > reprinted by some publisher in Pune. There is

> > no

> > > > better translation of the mantras of the Vedanga

> > > > Jyotisha available anywhere than the one in that

> > > > work. Fifth mantra of this work has been

> > > > translatedd into English by the same scholar as

> > > > follows:

> > > > "When the sun and the moon while moving in the

> > sky,

> > > > come to Vasava (Danishtha), Beta Delhpini star

> > > > together, then the Yuga, the Magha (month) the

> > Tapas

> > > > season, the light half of the month and the

> > winter

> > > > solstice, all commence together". Then the

> > sixth

> > > > mantra says,

> > > > "The sun and the moon turn towards North in the

> > > > beginning of Dhanishtha and towards South in the

> > > > middle of Ashlesha. The sun alwasy does this

> > > > respectively in the month of Magha and

> > Shravana".

> > > >

> > > > Then in the seventh mantra the Rishis emphasizes

> > > > that by Uttarayana he means nothing but the

> > > > "shortest day of the year".

> > > >

> > > > It does not leave any doubt in anybody's mind as

> > to

> > > > the fact that solar Tapas-cum-Magha is another

> > name

> > > > of Uttarayana. Consequetnly, you cannot expect

> > > > lunar Magha to start two months earlier or later

> > > > than this phenomenon since that would have been

> > the

> > > > case if we had been following the dictum of

> > "Vedic

> > > > astrologers" -- divesting lunar months from

> > their

> > > > solar counterparts and also seasons! Obviously,

> > > > Magha Shukla paksha started with the first New

> > Moon

> > > > of Utarayana of 2004 and that was on January 11,

> > > > 2005. By the same logic, there having been no

> > > > adhika-kshyaya masa in 2005, Ashivna Shukla

> > Paksha

> > > > started on September 4, 2005 and Narka

> > Chaturdashi

> > > > is therefore on October 2, 2005, as Chaturdashi

> > at

> > > > Arunodaya is only on that date. Since Amavasya

> > is

> > > > prevailing at Nishith/Pradosha on that date,

> > that is

> > > > why it is Dipavali as well on October 2, 2005.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, this is the criterion exhorted by other

> > > > shastras as well. I have quoted from the

> > Vedanga

> > > > Jyotisha only because that is an "authority" for

> > all

> > > > types of Hindus, whether Aryasamajis, sanatanis

> > or

> > > > Shaivites or Vaishanavas and so on.

> > > >

> > > > There are vested interests who do not want to

> > > > deviate from their vested activities

> > deliberately.

> > > > To expect them to go by the true criteria is

> > > > expecting too much. (Please see Raman1.doc on

> > > > HinduCalendar forum) But then, we must ourselves

> > > > celebrate our festivals on correct days. I,

> > > > tehrfore, suggest that you give yourself a lead

> > in

> > > > this direction instead of waiting for others to

> > lead

> > > > you!

> > > > ]

> > > > With regards,

> > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "Ashok Basargekar"

> > > > <ashok_basargekar>

> > > > <jyotirved@s...>

> > > > Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:14 AM

> > > > Deepavali Festival Date

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Avataarji,

> > > > > I know that you are promoting the idea of

> > > > cellebrating Deepaavali on

> > > > > October 2. It will be interesting to see how

> > many

> > > > people in India will

> > > > > go for it. Narakaasura was killed on the Tithi

> > > > Naraka Chaturdashi in

> > > > > paxa Krishna in the month of Ashwin. To my

> > > > calculations based on Maas

> > > > > as a function of Tithi and Solar Longitude

> > which

> > > > has nothing to do

> > > > > with Niryana Longitude are based on the

> > Algorithms

> > > > by Jean Meeus.

> > > > > October 2 is in Krishna Chaturdashi in the

> > month

> > > > of Bhadrapada. May be

> > > > > Narakaasura was killed on October 2 per your

> > > > calculations but it is

> > > > > interesting to see when the actual fireworks

> > in

> > > > India will take place.

> > > > > Even though December 21 is the shortest day of

> > any

> > > > year I think people

> > > > > in India will still prefer to choose January

> > 14 as

> > > > Makar Sankranti.

> > > > > People in India believe in Vedas the word

> > > > originated from Vadati which

> > > > > refers to spoken "by word of mouth" from

> > > > generations to generations.

> > > > > It will be very hard for digesting the change

> > even

> >

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Dear Venu,

 

I agree with you and I was just expressing my opinion

that it dose not matter when we celebrate our

festivals and there are other pressing issues that

require attention of spiritual people. Poverty,

compasion etc are more important to God than when we

celebrate our festivals.

 

I was surprised that you mentioned that there are

other groups to discuss about poverty etc. All I can

tell you is ( again this is only my opinion) is that

spiritual knowledge and energy with out compassion is

nothing.

 

A person can activate thousand kundalinis, celebrate

divali on october 2nd and drown himself in rudrakshas

but with out compassion everything is down the drain.

God or Lord Shiva is nothing but compassion.

 

Om namah shivaya,

Best Regards,

Divakar.

 

--- venukgopal <venukgopal wrote:

 

> Shri Diwakar -

>

> I respect your opinion and belief. I very much am of

> the same

> impression when it comes to God and I did not

> misunderstood your this

> opinion.

>

> But much the same way, I was trying to say, there

> are different

> opinions from different people. This is a place

> where we want to

> express, there by learn from others. Some persons

> bring more

> information that we are not currently aware of. Like

> it, use it.

>

> Regards.

> ,

> Divakara Tanjore

> <div_tan> wrote:

> > Shri Venu,

> >

> > Probably you have misunderstood what I said. In my

> > opinion it will not make any difference when we

> > celebrate festivals as long as we have bhakti in

> our

> > hearts and our focus should be practial and be for

> the

> > welfare of humanity.

> >

> >

> > Divakar.

> >

> > --- venukgopal <venukgopal> wrote:

> >

> > > Shri Diwakar -

> > >

> > > Your telugu proverb is really out of context.

> Some

> > > way or the other

> > > what Shri Avtar is talking about is connected to

> > > this religious

> > > group. This group perhaps can discuss about

> Shiva

> > > and in a broader

> > > scope religious matter. May not be about food,

> > > povery - though they

> > > are very important!! There are other

> groups

> > > for that.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Venu Komanduri

> > >

> > > ,

> > > Divakara Tanjore

> > > <div_tan> wrote:

> > > > Dear Avtar kaul ji,

> > > >

> > > > There is a saying in telugu which says that "a

> > > Barber

> > > > with out work went and shaved a cat", you

> remind

> > > me of

> > > > that saying (no offence to anyone, I am just

> using

> > > the

> > > > saying), you just keep dumping this

> information on

> > > > people even after people are rejecting it.

> > > >

> > > > Also there are a lot of pressing problems in

> this

> > > > world and India, like poverty, lack of

> education

> > > and

> > > > increase of natural calamities, why you dont

> you

> > > focus

> > > > your knowledge and time on that and do some

> good

> > > for

> > > > the society.

> > > >

> > > > Om namah shivaya,

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Divakar.

> > > >

> > > > --- jyotirved <jyotirved@s...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Shri Ashok Basargekarji,

> > > > > Namaskar!

> > > > > As per the criteria fixed in the Report of

> the

> > > > > (Saha) Calendar Reform Committee, Narka

> > > Chaturdashi

> > > > > takes place in Ashvina Krishna (known as

> Kartika

> > > > > Krishna in Northern India) Chaturdashi that

> has

> > > to

> > > > > be prevailing at Arunodaya. Same is the

> > > criterion

> > > > > fixed by Swami Kannu Pillai in his Indian

> > > Ephemeris.

> > > > > This is also the criterion as per Dharma

> Sindhu

> > > and

> > > > > Nirnaya Sindhu. As such, your contention

> that

> > > > > Narkasura was killed in Ashvina Krishna

> (Karitka

> > > > > Krishna in Nrothern India)Chaturdashi is

> > > correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now the question as to when the lunar

> Ashvina

> > > > > Krishna (Kartika Krishna) Chaturdashi is to

> be

> > > > > celebrated:

> > > > >

> > > > > The earliest work of Indian astronomy

> available

> > > as

> > > > > on date is the Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha.

> I

> > > am

> > > > > sure you must be knowing Marathi, so I would

> > > suggest

> > > > > you to get a copy of Pt. Balkrishen

> Dikshit's

> > > > > "Bharatiya Jyotish" in Marathi. It has been

> > > > > reprinted by some publisher in Pune. There

> is

> > > no

> > > > > better translation of the mantras of the

> Vedanga

> > > > > Jyotisha available anywhere than the one in

> that

> > > > > work. Fifth mantra of this work has been

> > > > > translatedd into English by the same scholar

> as

> > > > > follows:

> > > > > "When the sun and the moon while moving in

> the

> > > sky,

> > > > > come to Vasava (Danishtha), Beta Delhpini

> star

> > > > > together, then the Yuga, the Magha (month)

> the

> > > Tapas

> > > > > season, the light half of the month and the

> > > winter

> > > > > solstice, all commence together". Then the

> > > sixth

> > > > > mantra says,

> > > > > "The sun and the moon turn towards North in

> the

> > > > > beginning of Dhanishtha and towards South in

> the

> > > > > middle of Ashlesha. The sun alwasy does

> this

> > > > > respectively in the month of Magha and

> > > Shravana".

> > > > >

> > > > > Then in the seventh mantra the Rishis

> emphasizes

> > > > > that by Uttarayana he means nothing but the

> > > > > "shortest day of the year".

> > > > >

> > > > > It does not leave any doubt in anybody's

> mind as

> > > to

> > > > > the fact that solar Tapas-cum-Magha is

> another

> > > name

> > > > > of Uttarayana. Consequetnly, you cannot

> expect

> > > > > lunar Magha to start two months earlier or

> later

> > > > > than this phenomenon since that would have

> been

> > > the

> > > > > case if we had been following the dictum of

> > > "Vedic

> > > > > astrologers" -- divesting lunar months from

> > > their

> > > > > solar counterparts and also seasons!

> Obviously,

> > > > > Magha Shukla paksha started with the first

> New

> > > Moon

> > > > > of Utarayana of 2004 and that was on January

> 11,

> > > > > 2005. By the same logic, there having been

> no

> > > > > adhika-kshyaya masa in 2005, Ashivna Shukla

> > > Paksha

> > > > > started on September 4, 2005 and Narka

> > > Chaturdashi

>

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