Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Shri Diwakar ji, Om Namah Shivay! Diwakar-- it is a synonym of the sungod-- who is said to be "suryo atma jagto tasthushashchai" - the soul of the animate as well as the inanimate world. The literal meaning of this word is the "maker of days". And as everybody knows, one day is never equal to another either in quality or quantity i.e.duration! That is how the sun god desires it to be! Similarly, not all days are suitable for all jobs! You cannot sow seeds in freezing Winter when most of the parts in Northern India are shrouded under thick sheets of snow! Similarly, you cannot observe Maghasnana in shadha -- though it is more conenient and desirable to take baths in the latter! That is why certain periods or days have been given special preference by our ancestors thousands of years back. Those ancestors were real Rishis, who could do a lot of things without computers or Internet! Remembering Shiva has to be a constant process and not confined to just some Shivaratri or some particular day or night. Late Bal Gangadhar Tilak had said that we must till lands with ploughs in our hands, His name on our lips and His image etched in our hearts. The Gita also says "Tasmat sarveshukaleshu mamanusmara yudhya cha" --- Remember Me every moment of your life but simultaneously, do wage a war (against your enemies). But as you can see, it is easier said than done to follow such simple rules! Knowing the human nature to be what it is, our Rishis had desired that if we cannot remember Him every moment of our life, we must at least "segregate" some particular day or night for that purpose---have a "gazetted holiday" on that day for everything else--- so that we can dovote our attention to Him to the exclusion of everything else. Thus Mahashivaratri is meant for Lord Shiva, Janmashtami for Bhagwan Krishna, Rama Navmii for Shri Rama, Sharadiya Navratras for Maha-shakti and so on. In fact, these are all His forms -- and it is just to make us remember Him in one or the other form that we are asked to worship such a pantheon of gods and goddesses -- a "heathen paganism"! Every deity has a particular day/night segregated for Himself/Herself. In fact, these detieies are least bothered whether we woship them or abuse them! It is just as the Gita says, "ye yatha mam prapadyante tanstathaiv bajameaham" -- "in whatever way one seeks refuge in Me, I (literally) 'worship' him in the same manner". To every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction - as our "old friend" Newton's Third Law of Motion says! Now that we have converged on Mahashivaratri or Dipavali etc, we just cannot fix those days arbitrarily! We have to follow the same criteria as have been fixed by our ancestors for those festivals! Every Kishna Paksha Chaturdashi is a Shivaratri but then there is just one Maha-Shivaratri in the year! Every Ashtami of every Krishna paksha is a Kalashtami but then there can be only one Janmashtami! Every day of the year is a New Year's Day but then there can be only on Vasanti Navratra or Sharadiya Navratra--so on and so forth! You have not been restricted by any shastra that you should not remember Him on other days or nights but then you have to remember Him/Her "to the exclusion of everything else" on certain days/nights and those cannot be called arbitrarily Mahashivaratri or Janmashtami! It has to be the real Magha Krishna Paksha (known as Phalguna Krishna paksha in Northern India) Chaturdashi to celebrate a Maha Shivaratri and that brings us to the question as to when the real Magha starts! Similarly, it has to be a real Shravana Krishna (Bhadra Krishna in Northern regions) Ashtami to celeberate Janmashtami and that again brings us back to the question as to when the Shrvana/Bhadra Krishna starts! These are very relevant questions and have to be answered. In fact, you will find an answer to all these question in the files/correspondence of HinduCalendar as to why we should celebrate Dipavali on Octoer 2, 2005, instead of "celebrating" Pitramavasya then! Om Namah Shivay! Avtar Krishen Kaul With kind regards,. > , Divakara Tanjore > <div_tan> wrote: > Dear Avtar Kishen Kaul, > > Lord shiva is a kind god he will not get angry > becauase we are celebrating Shiv Ratri on wrong days. > What Lord shiva sees is true bhakti, not dates, your > argument does not hold any logic, so please try to do > something useful and constructive. > > Best Regards, > Divakar. > > --- jyotirved <jyotirved@s...> wrote: > > > Respected members of Om Namah Shivay Group, > > Om Namah Shivay to all of you! > > > > Maha Shivaratri is a festival which is very dear to > > Lord Shiva. Performing it on correct days is > > supposed to bestow "chaturvarga" i.e. Dharma, > > Artha, Kama and Moksha. As I am basically a > > Kashmiri Pandit, we celebrated it there with great > > faith and fervour. In fact, the preparations for > > this festival would last for about a fortnight and > > the culmination was in Vatuka Puja. > > > > Since rituals are supposed to be celebrated on > > proper timings -- muhurtas -- you can well imagine > > the consequences of celbrating such festivals > > deliberately on wrong days! And that is exactly > > what we have been doing over the last about three > > centuries, thanks to the tireless efforts of "Vedic > > astrologers" including overseas "Vamadevas" who > > propagated a so called non-existent nirayana > > Rashichakra! > > > > It is not only Maha Shivaratri that is being > > celebrated on wrong days but every festival is > > facing a similar fate, with the result that we well > > be celebrating Pitramavasya on October 2, 2005, > > which is actually Dipavali as per all the shastras! > > > > There is a forum > > HinduCalendar for a > > free and fair discussion on this crucual topic. I > > suggest that you also join that group and study all > > the files and corespondence etc. there and enter > > into this heated debate. > > > > Om Namah Shviay! > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > President > > All India Calendar REform Committee > > > > > > ____ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store./redcross-donate3/ > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Kishen Kaul saab, I am just an ordinary human being, but since childhood I believed in compassion and love, I will get goosebumps and my hair on the body will stand when I see any acts of compasions, I always remembered god, in good times in bad times and everytime, I didnt need any special timings to remember god, and I believe the same. We are all souls trying to move higher in our spiritual journey, we have to live simple life with doing good karma, if we cant do good things atleast we should not do bad things just to satisfy our ego and self. the only way to God is through surrender of our ego and compassion, we dont need any special timings for this, This is my opinion, for me it answers all questions and gives me peace, and spiritual bliss. Om namah shivaya. Divakar. --- jyotirved <jyotirved wrote: > > Shri Diwakar ji, > Om Namah Shivay! > Diwakar-- it is a synonym of the sungod-- who is > said to be "suryo atma > jagto tasthushashchai" - the soul of the animate as > well as the inanimate > world. The literal meaning of this word is the > "maker of days". And as > everybody knows, one day is never equal to another > either in quality or > quantity i.e.duration! That is how the sun god > desires it to be! > Similarly, not all days are suitable for all jobs! > You cannot sow seeds in > freezing Winter when most of the parts in Northern > India are shrouded under > thick sheets of snow! Similarly, you cannot observe > Maghasnana in > shadha -- though it is more conenient and desirable > to take baths in the > latter! That is why certain periods or days have > been given special > preference by our ancestors thousands of years back. > Those ancestors were > real Rishis, who could do a lot of things without > computers or Internet! > > Remembering Shiva has to be a constant process and > not confined to just > some Shivaratri or some particular day or night. > Late Bal Gangadhar Tilak > had said that we must till lands with ploughs in our > hands, His name on our > lips and His image etched in our hearts. The Gita > also says "Tasmat > sarveshukaleshu mamanusmara yudhya cha" --- > Remember Me every moment of > your life but simultaneously, do wage a war (against > your enemies). > > But as you can see, it is easier said than done to > follow such simple rules! > Knowing the human nature to be what it is, our > Rishis had desired that if we > cannot remember Him every moment of our life, we > must at least "segregate" > some particular day or night for that purpose---have > a "gazetted holiday" on > that day for everything else--- so that we can > dovote our attention to Him > to the exclusion of everything else. Thus > Mahashivaratri is meant for Lord > Shiva, Janmashtami for Bhagwan Krishna, Rama Navmii > for Shri Rama, Sharadiya > Navratras for Maha-shakti and so on. In fact, these > are all His forms -- > and it is just to make us remember Him in one or the > other form that we are > asked to worship such a pantheon of gods and > goddesses -- a "heathen > paganism"! > > Every deity has a particular day/night segregated > for Himself/Herself. In > fact, these detieies are least bothered whether we > woship them or abuse > them! It is just as the Gita says, "ye yatha mam > prapadyante tanstathaiv > bajameaham" -- "in whatever way one seeks refuge in > Me, I (literally) > 'worship' him in the same manner". To every action, > there is an equal and > opposite reaction - as our "old friend" Newton's > Third Law of Motion says! > > Now that we have converged on Mahashivaratri or > Dipavali etc, we just cannot > fix those days arbitrarily! We have to follow the > same criteria as have > been fixed by our ancestors for those festivals! > Every Kishna Paksha > Chaturdashi is a Shivaratri but then there is just > one Maha-Shivaratri in > the year! Every Ashtami of every Krishna paksha is > a Kalashtami but then > there can be only one Janmashtami! Every day of the > year is a New Year's > Day but then there can be only on Vasanti Navratra > or Sharadiya Navratra--so > on and so forth! You have not been restricted by > any shastra that you > should not remember Him on other days or nights but > then you have to > remember Him/Her "to the exclusion of everything > else" on certain > days/nights and those cannot be called arbitrarily > Mahashivaratri or > Janmashtami! It has to be the real Magha Krishna > Paksha (known as Phalguna > Krishna paksha in Northern India) Chaturdashi to > celebrate a Maha Shivaratri > and that brings us to the question as to when the > real Magha starts! > Similarly, it has to be a real Shravana Krishna > (Bhadra Krishna in Northern > regions) Ashtami to celeberate Janmashtami and that > again brings us back to > the question as to when the Shrvana/Bhadra Krishna > starts! > > These are very relevant questions and have to be > answered. In fact, you > will find an answer to all these question in the > files/correspondence of > HinduCalendar > > as to why we should celebrate Dipavali on Octoer 2, > 2005, instead of > "celebrating" Pitramavasya then! > > Om Namah Shivay! > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > With kind regards,. > > > > > > , > Divakara Tanjore > > <div_tan> wrote: > > Dear Avtar Kishen Kaul, > > > > Lord shiva is a kind god he will not get angry > > becauase we are celebrating Shiv Ratri on wrong > days. > > What Lord shiva sees is true bhakti, not dates, > your > > argument does not hold any logic, so please try to > do > > something useful and constructive. > > > > Best Regards, > > Divakar. > > > > --- jyotirved <jyotirved@s...> wrote: > > > > > Respected members of Om Namah Shivay Group, > > > Om Namah Shivay to all of you! > > > > > > Maha Shivaratri is a festival which is very dear > to > > > Lord Shiva. Performing it on correct days is > > > supposed to bestow "chaturvarga" i.e. Dharma, > > > Artha, Kama and Moksha. As I am basically a > > > Kashmiri Pandit, we celebrated it there with > great > > > faith and fervour. In fact, the preparations > for > > > this festival would last for about a fortnight > and > > > the culmination was in Vatuka Puja. > > > > > > Since rituals are supposed to be celebrated on > > > proper timings -- muhurtas -- you can well > imagine > > > the consequences of celbrating such festivals > > > deliberately on wrong days! And that is exactly > > > what we have been doing over the last about > three > > > centuries, thanks to the tireless efforts of > "Vedic > > > astrologers" including overseas "Vamadevas" who > > > propagated a so called non-existent nirayana > > > Rashichakra! > > > > > > It is not only Maha Shivaratri that is being > > > celebrated on wrong days but every festival is > > > facing a similar fate, with the result that we > well > > > be celebrating Pitramavasya on October 2, 2005, > > > which is actually Dipavali as per all the > shastras! > > > > > > There is a forum > > > HinduCalendar for > a > > > free and fair discussion on this crucual topic. > I > > > suggest that you also join that group and study > all > > > the files and corespondence etc. there and enter > > > into this heated debate. > > > > > > Om Namah Shviay! > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > President > > > All India Calendar REform Committee > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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