Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 8Q) What is the necessity of worshiping the statues in temples? A) The statue or photo is the inert object. The form carved in a stone or painted on a paper is also an imaginary form and not even a direct photo. The statues and photos are only models representing the concept, which is knowledge. The form of statues and photos is mainly human form, which represents the concept that the Lord always comes to this world in human form as said in Gita (Manusheem Tanu Masritam). Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lord would come in any other form. The forms of fish, tortoise etc., were only temporarily to kill the demons and nobody worshipped such forms during their time. But Rama, Krishna etc were the human forms worshipped by several devotees like Hanuman and Gopikas. The Lord will come in every human generation; otherwise, He becomes partial to a particular generation. If necessary the Lord can come whenever there is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi). Once this concept is realized, there is no need of temple and statue for you. You should go from school to college and then to university. This does not mean that when you leave the school, the school should be destroyed. The school must exist for the future batches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photo are not necessary and this does not mean that the statues, photos and temples should be broken. They should be protected and must be respected as the models of divine knowledge for the future ignorant devotees. Some devotees cannot accept the human form, which is before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyaksha dvishah). For such devotees the statues and photos are necessary for meditation since they are at the school level. The statues and photos are useful for the meditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra (Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lord does not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima, Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can stand as models representing the Lord (Adityam brahmeti). Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues and photos are correct in the case of the ignorant devotees. But the other rituals like offering food, burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breaking coconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned in Vedas and there are unnecessary and are causing the air pollution harming the humanity. All these unnecessary rituals should be avoided. Offering food should also be done to the human form of the Lord only but not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cooking and offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijya should not be done to the inert objects. In the name of the statues, people are stealing the food and money. The statue and photo is not taking the food or Gurudakshina. The people behind the statue are taking those things and most of them are either cheating or wasting the money with ignorance. Whatever the Gurudakshina is given should go only to the priest and not the managing devotees. The business of the merchants by selling such materials in the temples should be stopped, because such materials are not even heard in Veda. Of course, the priest should be a Satguru and preach the divine knowledge to the devotees and the devotees should give Gurudakshina to such Satguru only. Thus, the temple should become a center of learning selfless devotion and divine knowledge and the priest must do only 'Janna Eagan' in the temple and not the 'dravya Eagan' as said in the Gila (Sreyaan dravyamayat). Gita condemned such Ijya before inert objects because such Ijya is only cheating and business. Such a devotee will be born as inert object (Bhutejya yanti). This business is connected to removal of the fruits of sins and getting the fruits of good deeds, which are not done. All this is false, because the theory of 'karma' says that one has to suffer for all his bad deeds and can never get the result of any good deed without doing it (Avasyamanubhoktavyam...kalpakotisatairapi). The spiritual path should be preached in the temple, which must be 'nishkama karma yoga' i.e., sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return. Remember, that only the Ijya is condemned and not the temples or statues, which are the models of the divine knowledge. S.PRAKASH KASTURI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 I did not understand about the sentances @ But the other rituals like offering food,burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breakingcoconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned inVedas and there are unnecessary and are causing theair pollution harming the humanity. All theseunnecessary rituals should be avoided. Offering foodshould also be done to the human form of the Lord onlybut not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cookingand offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijyashould not be done to the inert objects. In the nameof the statues, people are stealing the food andmoney. The statue and photo is not taking the food orGurudakshina. The people behind the statue are takingthose things and most of them are either cheating orwasting the money with ignorance. @ In OUR Vaidikha Dharma Or the sanatana dharma there is a great significance for offering naivedya and about offering oil lamps OH My god the LAMP itself is worship as LAKSHMI then how can one say that we should not ? . This is absurd > And Offering fume sticks in olden days they used to offer SAMBRANI which used to purify air nowadays different kinds of perfumes are used but not in olden days mind ? When a Yajna is done there are several herbs that are used for the sacrifies which destroy the bacteria in the environment..... tThere is a whole part in YAJUR VEDA which describes the YAjna VIDHI then how can one condem all this ? CAN you please clear all my ignorent doubts Sampath prakash kasturi <sprakashkasturi > wrote: 8Q) What is the necessity of worshiping the statues intemples?A) The statue or photo is the inert object. The formcarved in a stone or painted on a paper is also animaginary form and not even a direct photo. Thestatues and photos are only models representing theconcept, which is knowledge. The form of statues andphotos is mainly human form, which represents theconcept that the Lord always comes to this world inhuman form as said in Gita (Manusheem Tanu Masritam).Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lordwould come in any other form. The forms of fish,tortoise etc., were only temporarily to kill thedemons and nobody worshipped such forms during theirtime. But Rama, Krishna etc were the human formsworshipped by several devotees like Hanuman andGopikas. The Lord will come in every human generation;otherwise, He becomes partial to a particulargeneration. If necessary the Lord can come wheneverthere is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi).Once this concept is realized, there is no need oftemple and statue for you. You should go from schoolto college and then to university. This does not meanthat when you leave the school, the school should bedestroyed. The school must exist for the futurebatches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photoare not necessary and this does not mean that thestatues, photos and temples should be broken. Theyshould be protected and must be respected as themodels of divine knowledge for the future ignorantdevotees. Some devotees cannot accept the human form,which is before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyakshadvishah). For such devotees the statues and photos arenecessary for meditation since they are at the schoollevel. The statues and photos are useful for themeditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra(Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lorddoes not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima,Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can standas models representing the Lord (Adityam brahmeti).Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues andphotos are correct in the case of the ignorantdevotees. But the other rituals like offering food,burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breakingcoconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned inVedas and there are unnecessary and are causing theair pollution harming the humanity. All theseunnecessary rituals should be avoided. Offering foodshould also be done to the human form of the Lord onlybut not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cookingand offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijyashould not be done to the inert objects. In the nameof the statues, people are stealing the food andmoney. The statue and photo is not taking the food orGurudakshina. The people behind the statue are takingthose things and most of them are either cheating orwasting the money with ignorance. Whatever theGurudakshina is given should go only to the priest andnot the managing devotees. The business of themerchants by selling such materials in the templesshould be stopped, because such materials are not evenheard in Veda. Of course, the priest should be aSatguru and preach the divine knowledge to thedevotees and the devotees should give Gurudakshina tosuch Satguru only. Thus, the temple should become acenter of learning selfless devotion and divineknowledge and the priest must do only 'Janna Eagan' inthe temple and not the 'dravya Eagan' as said in theGila (Sreyaan dravyamayat). Gita condemned such Ijyabefore inert objects because such Ijya is onlycheating and business. Such a devotee will be born asinert object (Bhutejya yanti). This business isconnected to removal of the fruits of sins and gettingthe fruits of good deeds, which are not done. All thisis false, because the theory of 'karma' says that onehas to suffer for all his bad deeds and can never getthe result of any good deed without doing it(Avasyamanubhoktavyam...kalpakotisatairapi). Thespiritual path should be preached in the temple, whichmust be 'nishkama karma yoga' i.e., sacrifice of workand sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lordwithout aspiring any fruit in return. Remember, thatonly the Ijya is condemned and not the temples orstatues, which are the models of the divine knowledge.S.PRAKASH KASTURITired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Lord shiva Beliefs of hinduism Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Some doubts can be clarified by me. A Vigraha or statue gets power when it is pranaprathishtith. This process is done by the yantra of the deity kept at the root and then asthabandhanam being made after 41 days of preparation in the right way. Now this yantra which is kept beneath the vigraha has a tremedous power. Hence it is not an inert object. As the mantra is being chanted on a daily basis, the power keeps increasing s far as the pandits are honest and do it with utmost sincerity. this vigraha has got the power of providing confidence and strength to the worshipper to face the dificulties in life. Not that his difficulties will pass by. If we findon an average study, we get a good feeling once we go to a place of worship. Even without our knowing we tend to take part in the silent aura in a temple and even frayed tempers are automatically cooled down. This is because of the power of the yantra which carries the moola mantra and which is passed on to the vigraha of lord seated on it. Yantras are to be worshipped on a daily basis as per the sastras and if not have a negative effect. This is because , when a yantra is prana prathishtith,it is understood that the deity shal come nd reside in that yantra.So there are certain norms to be followed in worship of an yantra and hence the vigraha which is seated on it. the shodashopachar puja is to be performed and is mandatory. And all achamaneeya dhoop deep vastra nivedya,etc all are to be followed. But in some temples this has become a business That does not mean that our dislike to the unethical priest should be turned to god. We should do what we are supposed to do as per the sastras. The rest is left to God. Please do not say that there is pollution by doing any of these. I can understand that unnecessary use of high pitched loudpseakers shall cause a nuisance and should be kept to tolerance level. but not the daily rituals which shall continue. Food offered to god is again given to people as prasadam. It can also go to poor people. The offerings dropped in hundi can be taken and used for the educational aspects of poor families and their welfare. But the problem is some people who indulge in these activites try to get a CUT from the amount and the entire lot gets a bad name. these days instead of theives breaking open hundis, we can allocate the amount in the hundis to needy people on a weekly basis, so that God is satiated the best. Hope I am clear and have clarified your question. God is above all. He will take care. OM NAMO NAMAHA NAMAH SHIVAYA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Let me politely scribble some ideas which I have once read, Nama Sivayah! Siva (The constant - Truth is always constant, it never changes) Vamshi - Human being (Human mind is never constant) Shivam is the antonym of Vamshi When Vamshi make a turn around in HImself, become Siva.... Om Nama Sivayah! Devan sampath koundinya <sampath_koundinya > wrote: Hi I did not understand about the sentances @ But the other rituals like offering food,burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breakingcoconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned inVedas and there are unnecessary and are causing theair pollution harming the humanity. All theseunnecessary rituals should be avoided. Offering foodshould also be done to the human form of the Lord onlybut not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cookingand offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijyashould not be done to the inert objects. In the nameof the statues, people are stealing the food andmoney. The statue and photo is not taking the food orGurudakshina. The people behind the statue are takingthose things and most of them are either cheating orwasting the money with ignorance. @ In OUR Vaidikha Dharma Or the sanatana dharma there is a great significance for offering naivedya and about offering oil lamps OH My god the LAMP itself is worship as LAKSHMI then how can one say that we should not ? . This is absurd > And Offering fume sticks in olden days they used to offer SAMBRANI which used to purify air nowadays different kinds of perfumes are used but not in olden days mind ? When a Yajna is done there are several herbs that are used for the sacrifies which destroy the bacteria in the environment..... tThere is a whole part in YAJUR VEDA which describes the YAjna VIDHI then how can one condem all this ? CAN you please clear all my ignorent doubts Sampath prakash kasturi <sprakashkasturi > wrote: 8Q) What is the necessity of worshiping the statues intemples?A) The statue or photo is the inert object. The formcarved in a stone or painted on a paper is also animaginary form and not even a direct photo. Thestatues and photos are only models representing theconcept, which is knowledge. The form of statues andphotos is mainly human form, which represents theconcept that the Lord always comes to this world inhuman form as said in Gita (Manusheem Tanu Masritam).Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lordwould come in any other form. The forms of fish,tortoise etc., were only temporarily to kill thedemons and nobody worshipped such forms during theirtime. But Rama, Krishna etc were the human formsworshipped by several devotees like Hanuman andGopikas. The Lord will come in every human generation;otherwise, He becomes partial to a particulargeneration. If necessary the Lord can come wheneverthere is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi).Once this concept is realized, there is no need oftemple and statue for you. You should go from schoolto college and then to university. This does not meanthat when you leave the school, the school should bedestroyed. The school must exist for the futurebatches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photoare not necessary and this does not mean that thestatues, photos and temples should be broken. Theyshould be protected and must be respected as themodels of divine knowledge for the future ignorantdevotees. Some devotees cannot accept the human form,which is before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyakshadvishah). For such devotees the statues and photos arenecessary for meditation since they are at the schoollevel. The statues and photos are useful for themeditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra(Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lorddoes not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima,Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can standas models representing the Lord (Adityam brahmeti).Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues andphotos are correct in the case of the ignorantdevotees. But the other rituals like offering food,burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breakingcoconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned inVedas and there are unnecessary and are causing theair pollution harming the humanity. All theseunnecessary rituals should be avoided. Offering foodshould also be done to the human form of the Lord onlybut not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cookingand offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijyashould not be done to the inert objects. In the nameof the statues, people are stealing the food andmoney. The statue and photo is not taking the food orGurudakshina. The people behind the statue are takingthose things and most of them are either cheating orwasting the money with ignorance. Whatever theGurudakshina is given should go only to the priest andnot the managing devotees. The business of themerchants by selling such materials in the templesshould be stopped, because such materials are not evenheard in Veda. Of course, the priest should be aSatguru and preach the divine knowledge to thedevotees and the devotees should give Gurudakshina tosuch Satguru only. Thus, the temple should become acenter of learning selfless devotion and divineknowledge and the priest must do only 'Janna Eagan' inthe temple and not the 'dravya Eagan' as said in theGila (Sreyaan dravyamayat). Gita condemned such Ijyabefore inert objects because such Ijya is onlycheating and business. Such a devotee will be born asinert object (Bhutejya yanti). This business isconnected to removal of the fruits of sins and gettingthe fruits of good deeds, which are not done. All thisis false, because the theory of 'karma' says that onehas to suffer for all his bad deeds and can never getthe result of any good deed without doing it(Avasyamanubhoktavyam...kalpakotisatairapi). Thespiritual path should be preached in the temple, whichmust be 'nishkama karma yoga' i.e., sacrifice of workand sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lordwithout aspiring any fruit in return. Remember, thatonly the Ijya is condemned and not the temples orstatues, which are the models of the divine knowledge.S.PRAKASH KASTURITired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Lord shiva Beliefs of hinduism Start your day with - make it your home page Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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