Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 this is not neti, or at least not a method i have ever encountered doing it this way must require a forceful exhalation, which in turn can force water into the eustachian tube and sinuses the correct way is through the nose, out of the nose - that way water doesn't enter into the throat at all - performed properly, one is even able to talk while performing jala neti best... todd caldecott www.toddcaldecott.com > I usually perform neti by taking neti water through mouth and > expelling it through nose via throat. I find this method easier to perform. I wanted to know the views of the experts whether it is one of a "correct" way to perform neti or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Is there a description anywhere of how to do this correctly - I thought the water had to come out of the mouth - if it doesn't how do you stop it? Thanks Jane - Todd Caldecott ayurveda Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:44 AM <ayurveda> Re: Correct way of performing Neti. doing it this way must require a forceful exhalation, which in turn can force water into the eustachian tube and sinuses the correct way is through the nose, out of the nose - that way water doesn't enter into the throat at all - performed properly, one is even able to talk while performing jala neti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Dear friends, to practice neti it is very simple. My daughter does her neti since was 4 years old. The most simple is to use an instrument called "Lota". You have to put into this instrument warm water with salt (physics solution) and through one nostril to the other. Then you can clean the nose blowing the water very softly. But if you haven't the lota you can use a glass of warm and salted water. You take the water in your mouth and with the root of the tongue you have to push the water through the connection mouth-nose. You push the water without to bow. The water will flow easily. Another way is dipping the nose in the water in a glass; and inhaling, the water pass through the nose till the mouth, but it is less comfortable. Keep smiling. Yogacharini Emy Blesio (Gayatri Devi) President of WORLD.M.I.F.A.World Movement for Indian Fine Arts Art Director of the great Indian Festival - Milan - Italy Vicepresident, E.Y.F.EuropeanYogaFederation Vicepresident, C.U.I.D.Y.ConfederazioneUfficialeItalianaDiYoga Vicepresident World.M.Y.A. World Movement of Yoga and Ayurveda President of Suryanagara,International Yoga Centre of Arts, Culture, Oriental Disciplines,recognized from E.Y.F. and C.U.I.D.Y. Via Teramo 5 - 20142 Milano - Italy (phone number edited by moderator) suryanagara http://web.tiscali.it/suryanagara http://www.worldindianart.net http://www.europeanyogafederation.net http://www.confederazioneyoga.it > Is there a description anywhere of how to do this correctly - I thought the water had to come out of the mouth - if it doesn't how do you stop it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Dear Sir, Thanks a lot for your guidance on the correct way of doing neti. But there is also a different opinion received from Mr. Suryanagara which says that one can take water in mouth and push it out through mouth-nose connection i.e. through the mouth, out of the nose as opposed to the method stated by you i.e. through the nose, out of the nose. Please enlighten me on the issue. Best regards. Abbas > You take the water in your mouth and with the root of the > tongue you have to push the water through the connection mouth-nose. You push the water without to bow. The water will flow easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Dear All, The discussion on Neti is quite interesting & important too ! Let me put my views as a qualified Ayurveda & Yoga consultant on Neti & Nasya. Inserion of fluid through nostrils ( may be jala i.e. water or sootra i.e. rubber catheter ) in case of Neti of Yogic Shatkriya & different forms of ayurvedic medications (viz. oils, juices of medicinal herbs, powders, medicated ghee ) in case of Nasya of Ayurvedic Panchakarma. In both the scripts theseNeti a well Nasya have their co relation with the paaification of increased vitiated ‘Kapha’ & known for their utility in the management of Urdhwajatrugat Roga ( Diseases of head & neck, sense organs, disorders of the parts above the level of clavicle (Jatru). As per gherand samhita Netikriya is advocated for – “Sadhanat Netikaryasya Khecharisiddhim Apnuyaat I Kaphadosha vinashyanti Divyadrushti prajayate II” (Gh.S.1/51) If we refer the various classical text books on Ayurveda with special Reference to Panchakarma , then one would notice the fact that neither Ayurveda nor Panchakarma or Shodhana Chikitsa of Ayurveda are only meant for patients.Rather the main aim & object of Ayurveda is to keep or maintain health of individuals ( Preventive aspect) & then second aim is to make those having disease , free from diseases. “swasthasya Swasthya rakshanam Atoorasya Vikar prashamanam cha I” ( Charak Samhita) But even while using these Panchakarma Modalities we do pay a special attention towards their list of contraindications of each Karma along with the list of indications.( Ke yogya ke ayogya ? ).I think this concept if we think over & apply in certain Kriyas without changing or deviating the original concept of Yogic shuddhikriya, , should make sense. Certain specific Panchakarma procedures are described to be practiced in certain seasonal set up only when specific doshas are increased in our body, so that those doshas can be tackled well.For example Vaman is usually advocated in Sharad Ritu when there is an increased level of vitiated Pitta , which can be taken out of body through Vaman easily in that period.Basti is advocated in Varsha Ritu which is a known period of increased vitiation of Vata or Vayu. It will be interesting to note that these procedures are advocated for healthy individuals for maintainence of their health. Will there be the possibilities of utilizing certain Yogic shadkriya in comjunction with ayurvediya Panchakarma ? So that they could enhance the requied effect of the other one & work in synergy ! Here I would like to propose such model of Jaslaneti followed by Nassya ( tailbindu or Avapeedaka nasya).I think after doing these processes the utility , absorption of the second might get enhanced.I have already started working on certain conditions at my centres. 1 JALANETI - (CLEANSING OF NASAL PASSAGE BY USE OF WATER) Contraindications : Blocked nostrils. Salt not to be used if a person is suffering from hypertension or if salt is contraindicated for any other reason. Materials Required : Jalaneti cup, glass/tumbler, body-warm potable water, common edible salt, spoon and a napkin. Saline water should be prepared by adding half a teaspoon of salt in half a litre body-warm water. Adjust the quantity of salt and temperature of water as per needs. Technique : Stand comfortably, preferably before a basin or in a bathroom. Alternatively, sit on a chair or squat in the open space. Fill the Jalaneti cup with saline water. Hold the filled cup in the left palm, keeping four fingers outside and thumb towards the body. Hold the cup firmly fixing middle finger and thumb in the depressions provided on the respective sides of the Jalaneti cup. Bring the chin towards chest and tilt the head suitably towards the right side. Insert the spout of the Jalaneti cup in the left nostril, keep the mouth open and breathe through mouth throughout. Raise up the cup slowly taking left elbow up but without changing the position of the head unless the change is absolutely necessary. Due to this, saline water will enter from the left to the right nostril and glide down from it. Let the flow of water coming out of right nostril be slow, smooth, continuous and uniform. Repeat the above actions, now holding the filled Jalaneti cup in the right hand for getting the flow of water out from the left nostril. This completes one round of Jalaneti. Normally, one round of Jalaneti, practised preferably in the moring, is enough. In special conditions, however, rounds of Jalaneti can be increased and practised for more than once in a day and at convenient times, as per needs. RUBBERNETI (CLEANSING OF NASAL PASSAGE BY RUBBER CATHETER) Contraindications : Growth of bone or flesh in the nostrils, septum deviation or blocked nostrils. Materials Required : 1) Rubber Catheter (surgical quality) of suitable length and diameter. Clean the catheter thoroghly. Dip it in boiling water before and after use for making it hygienic. Use the moist/wet catheter only. 2) Clean napkin. 3) Clean hot and cold potable water. Technique : Stand before the basin or in a bathroom/ open space or sit in a chair or squat. Take wet catheter in the right hand. Open the mouth, tilt the head a little up and back. Give a slight inward curvature to the tapered end side of the moist/wet catheter and gently insert that end of the catheter in the right nostril. Along with the inhalation, gently push the catheter inside. If needed, one can close the left nostril while inhaling by right nostril to increase the force of inhalation which will enable catheter to go inside along with forceful inhalation. But the force should not be more than required as otherwise the catheter may go more to the upside and touch the olfactory nerves which may cause intense pain. Coughing or irritation felt at the throat are the sure indications of catheter having entered in a throat. At that stage, stop pushing the catheter further inside. Now wide open the mouth. Enter the pair of thumb and the index finger or that of index finger and the middle finger inside the throat and catch the tapered end of the catheter. Slowly pull the catheter out from mouth, simultaneously loosening the other end of the catheter. Catch hold of upper end of the catheter in the right hand thumb and index finger and its lower end coming out from the mouth in the left hand thumb and index finger. Keep the mouth open and give a gentle massage to inner layer of the nasal passage by gently moving the catheter to and fro for 3 to 5 times. If required, the number of massaging movements can be increased provided they are done comfortably and with the least efforts. Gently pull the lower end of the catheter out from the mouth simultaneously loosening the other end of the catheter for facilitating the catheter to come out comfortably. The upper wide open end of the catheter will cleanse the nasal passage and remove dirt while coming out from the mouth. Clean the catheter thoroughly both from inside and outside before using it again. Do the same action of Rubberneti through the left nostril. Cleansing right and left nostrils with the rubber catheter will complete one round of Rubberneti. After completing the practice, clean the catheter thoroughly inside-outside, shake off water from the catheter, wipe it with a clean and dry cloth. This should be done meticulously as otherwise lapse in it may prove dangerous. Keep the catheter in an air-tight box of a suitable size and* preferably of a round shape. Notes : 1. One round of Rubberneti may be practised daily or as and when required, preferably in the morning. One can practise Rubberneti from any of the nostrils first. 2. In the beginning, one can lubricate the tapered end of the catheter with a suitable edible oil or ghee for ensuring smooth and comfortable movement of catheter inside the nostrils. 3. Nails of index, middle and thumb fingers must be well trimmed and filed so hat they don't hurt the mucous membrane while taking out end of the catheter from the mouth. Benefits : 1. Cleanses the nasal passage thoroughly. 2. By gentle massage, refreshes nerve ends at the inner layers of nostrils. 3. Increases the resistance and tolerance level of delicate inner layers of the nostrils and the nerve ends. 4. Helps to prevent and cure functional types of cold , asthma, bronchial troubles and breathing problems. Improves the overall health of the ear, nose and throat. 5. Prevents and restricts septum deviation and troublesome growth of bone or flesh in the nostrils. Improves breathing. 6. When practiced along with other nasal cleansing processes like Jalaneti, Shwasana-Marga Shuddhi, Kapalabhati, benefits get enhanced. Classical References of Neti – As per the references of Hatapradeepika – “Sootram Nihanti Susnigdham Nasanale praveshayet I Mukhanirgamayet cha Neti sidhau Nigadyate II Kapalashodhani chaiva Divyadrishshti pradayini I Urdhwajataroggoghau Netihi Ashu Nihanti cha II ( H.P.2/30 – 31) As per gherand samhita Netikriya is advocated for – “Sadhanat Netikaryasya Khecharisiddhim Apnuyaat I Kaphadosha vinashyanti Divyadrushti prajayate II” (Gh.S.1/51) Divyadrushtim Prajayate – Improvement of visual acuity or third eye is initiated ? Here I would like to say , I am with Dr.Bhate at certain points, that Neti should be done initially than Nasya for getting better absorption of Nasya drug. I hope this information may help Jane MacRoss to know the correct methodology of performing Nasya. Thanking you, With warm regards, Prof.Dr.Aashish Phadke M.D.(Ayurved)(Mumbai),M.I.I.M.(Gold Medal), Dip.in Yogic Education(Yoga Vidya Niketan - Mumbai), Dip.in Yoga (Centre for Yoga - Dept. of Philosophy ,University of Mumbai ) www.ayurvision.com > Is there a description anywhere of how to do this correctly - I thought the water had to come out of the mouth - if it doesn't how do you stop it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Hello, Thank you Dr. Phadke and Dr. Bhate for details on Neti. I have one question about what kind of water to use for Neti. I live in US. As most of you know, the city water here is not used for drinking. The drinking water is filtered and treated. Can I just take the regular water from the city and warm it up slightly and use it for neti? Or is the bottled water recommended? The reason I am asking this question is that if the city water is not considered good for oral intake, is it good for nasal adminstration? If it is not safe to use either of these two kinds of water, do you suggest any kind of treatment for the city water/bottled water before using for Neti? Also, is there any rule that the neti process should be started with left nostril or right nostril? Is any nostril good enough to begin with? Thank you, ram prasad. ayurveda, "dr.aashish phadke" <ayurinstitute wrote: > > Dear All, > The discussion on Neti is quite interesting & important too ! Let me put my views as a qualified Ayurveda & Yoga consultant on Neti & Nasya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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