RE: bones sound like twigs cracking

[Guest guest]

Yes... you are correct. From an Ayurvedic point of view this is one sign of

a Vata imbalance and can be corrected with diet. The cracking you are

hearing is the release of hydrogen build up in the joints. Follow the Vata

food program on

http://health.ayurvedaarticles/

Noel Gilbert

Counselor

Body, Mind & Soul

LifeStyle Counselor

Ayurveda - Herbalism

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of hariatmayoga

Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:02 AM

<ayurveda> bones sound like twigs cracking

 

Sat Nam Everybody.

Whenever I bend down my knees sound like twigs cracking. My big toe

has always had that 'cracking' sound ever since I was about 8yrs old.

Does anyone know what to do for it.

[Guest guest]

Dear Hariatma,

 

Yes, this is a vata imbalance. My guess is the most likely cause is "good"

oil deficiency, for which ghee, sesame oil, bone stock, and animal fats are

recommended.

 

Also, boswellia is helpful internally and externally (as a cream) to help

break up scar tissue, along with an IT Band roller (hard foam roller that

you lie on and roll over your ileotibial band on the side of your legs).

Yograj guggulu is also indicated.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Jacob Griscom, CAS

Teaching Faculty: California College of Ayurveda

Peaceful Living Holistic Healthcare Center

200 Providence Mine Rd. Ste 210

Nevada City, CA 95959

Scheduling: (530) 265-9464

www.peacefullivinghhc.com

 

> Whenever I bend down my knees sound like twigs cracking. ..... This must be a

vata imbalance, as in too much vata.

[Guest guest]

Suggestion to increase "good" fat is already made, author would just

like to suggest how to take it. Cold pressed Sesame oil, Olive oil,

fish oil, any of these may be taken depending on habit/liking taste etc and

dosage for sesame/olive oil can be upto 50 ml increased gradually.

Oil should be taken in breakfast and do not eat anything else till feeling

hunger again.

 

In addition to Yogaraj Guggulu suggested already, author would suggest

Sinhnad Guggulu, upto 3 tabs 125 mg each, twice a day, about 30 minutes

after food. Take half a cup milk over guggulu tabs if not allergic to milk.

 

The cracking sound is caused by drying up of the joint (reduced

synovial fluid, termed shleshak kapha in ayurveda) and external

oleation by one of the several oils (e.g. Narayan Tailam, Mahavishgarbh

Tailam) including sesame oil will help. However, if there is

accumulation of fat tissue near knee, external oil may not be useful.

Trying may not produce harm, however.

 

Soups of Green leafy veggies in diet.

 

dr bhate

 

ayurveda, "hariatmayoga"

<hariatmayoga wrote:

> Whenever I bend down my knees sound like twigs cracking. My big toe

> has always had that 'cracking' sound ever since I was about 8yrs old.

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Bhate... Not that I am questioning your wisdom by any means, but

can you explain why one should take the oils at breakfast verses maybe a

higher Pitta time of the day? Thank you.

Noel Gilbert

Counselor

Body, Mind & Soul

LifeStyle Counselor

Ayurveda - Herbalism

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

 

 

<ayurveda> Re: bones sound like twigs cracking

dosage for sesame/olive oil can be upto 50 ml increased gradually.

Oil should be taken in breakfast and do not eat anything else till feeling

hunger again.

[Guest guest]

Dear Noel,

 

This group is Ayurvedaonline, not bhateonline. You should question

anybody's wisdom. That is why we are a group. It is good that you

asked, which gives this author an opportunity to correct a mistake.

 

1. The reason for taking the oil at breakfast rather than meals is

people do not like to take oil alone as lunch/dinner. Here, oil is to

be taken alone, without anyother food accompanying. Secondly, it must

enter as first food in the stomach for the day. (Tea/coffee excluded

as food). We want to increase Kapha, so give when digestive agni is

slow. Agni vaporises oil too fast (not physics, but concept and as a concept

too, oils are better not heated).

secondly, author found that generally the gap between breakfast and

lunch is just adequate to digest 50 ml sesame oil. Else, oil being

heavy to digest, loads the lunch/dinner, without people realizing it.

They will not reduce diet to compensate for the oil. Vaidya has to

take practical routes to suit the lifestyles, weakness of patients!

Many lifestyle factors mentioned in ancient texts are difficult to

adopt in metro lifestyle. Once patient gets benifit, he gradually

becomes flexible and starts obeying requirements.

 

2. The quantity of 50 ml olive oil as final dose is OK but quantity

of olive oil should be 30 ml only, according to experience. This was

the mistake in the post, which is getting corrected now. Even 50/30

ml dose for sesame/olive oil respectively should be gradually

achieved within a weeks time.

 

Thanks for questioning.

 

dr bhate

 

 

ayurveda, "Noel" <sattva wrote:

>

> Dear Dr. Bhate... Not that I am questioning your wisdom by any

means, but

> can you explain why one should take the oils at breakfast verses

maybe a

> higher Pitta time of the day? Thank you.

> Noel Gilbert

[Guest guest]

Mr. Noel suggested this as "Vata imbalance" & Dr Bhate suggested it as

"shleshak kapha". Can you specify what kind of imbalance is it Vata/Kapha/

hybrid ?

 

I am also having the similar problem + some more on top of it.

 

**I feel pain, heaviness & pressure points in neck especially after sitting

in front of computer, to relieve the discomfort I normally move/bend my neck

toward or against the pressure points making clicking sound. But in the long

run the discomfort is increasing along with the clicking sound.

 

**And the same condition occurs in lower & middle of back. After increased

discomfort it feels like twisting sideways making crackling sound to relieve

the discomfort.

 

- I am have been improving on my sitting posture but am not able to get rid

of above issues.

- I have also observed if I don't get proper sleep or have some digestive

problem the above neck & back problem get aggravated.

 

Please let me know your suggestion.

 

-Manu-

I am just a layman trying to understand some of Ayurveda.

[Guest guest]

Correct me if I am wrong here Dr. Bhate; But I believe Dr. Bhate was

referring to the synovial fluids as a substance of the sub dosha shleshak

Kapha, where as I was referring to the cause of the drying out of the fluids

by Vata; thus the need for oils and a Vata pacifying diet...

 

Noel Gilbert

Counselor

Body, Mind & Soul

LifeStyle Counselor

Ayurveda - Herbalism

Nutrition - Medical Astrology

 

On Behalf Of mail_manu_unam

Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:28 AM

ayurveda

<ayurveda> Re: bones sound like twigs cracking

 

Mr. Noel suggested this as "Vata imbalance" & Dr Bhate suggested it as "shleshak

kapha". Can you specify what kind of imbalance is it Vata/Kapha/hybrid ? I am

also having the similar problem + some more on top of it.

[Guest guest]

It is very likely that you have or will experience the following as well:

 

-- tight knots under the shoulder blade

-- if you are to press the area at the base of your neck/top of your shoulders

under your ears, you'll feel a sharp pain and a small-knotty type sensation.

 

This is typical of most ppl i know that work with computers/desk jobs these

days. You may also have some lower back areas of pain depending on physical

condition.

 

I'd highly recommend doing some neck stretches every morning for 5-15 mins

slowly with regular deep breaths and full relaxation. Combine Triphala Churna

either early a.m. or night before you goto bed in water.

 

Other exercises that'd be helpful... take periodic breaks and do some shoulder

rotations, arm rotations and stretches as well as ankle stretches.

 

The best way to protect against these types of symptoms really is

yoga/exercise/walking something/combination of this regularly and vigorously, no

amount of herbal treatment can substitute physical labor, though it can

definitely supplement and augment the effects.

 

mail_manu_unam <mail_manu_unam wrote: Mr. Noel suggested this as

"Vata imbalance" & Dr Bhate suggested it as

"shleshak kapha". Can you specify what kind of imbalance is it Vata/Kapha/

hybrid ?

 

I am also having the similar problem + some more on top of it.

[Guest guest]

Noel, you are right.

 

Shleshak Kapha is needed to lubricate the joints of the body. we can

compare synovial fluid and the cerebro spinal fluid components with

the shleshak kapha

concept of ayurveda. Vata causes dryness, thus reducing(drying up)

shleshak kapha, giving rise to inadequate lubrication and cracking

sound as in a old door where hinges are rusted.

 

Hence in this case it is Vata imblance causing Kapha imbalance.

Please note that we need all three doshas in balnce for health.

The concept of cerebro spinal fluid and how it is helped by breathing

will be the subject matter of next week post under 'Iron rules of

health' series, where shleshak kapha connection will be discussed

further.

 

dr bhate

 

ayurveda, "Noel" <sattva wrote:

>

> Correct me if I am wrong here Dr. Bhate; But I believe Dr. Bhate was

> referring to the synovial fluids as a substance of the sub dosha

shleshak

> Kapha, where as I was referring to the cause of the drying out of

the fluids

> by Vata; thus the need for oils and a Vata pacifying diet...

[Guest guest]

manu,

 

your doubt on "Vata" or "kapha" is already answered in post# 6190.

Vata problems aggravate if digestion improper or colon constipated.

To take care on a more long term basis, laxative churna depending on

your constitution should be started immediately. Instead of self

nedicating, better meet nearest vaidya.

 

Modern lifestyle is your main problem. when we sit in front of PC, if

monitor is not at eye level, and also if the lumbar region not well

supported, spinal strain arises. acidic products (small crystals) of

this strain accumulate due to poor circulation, which gives rise to

cracking sound when head is rotated/posture is changed. Reduced shleshak kapha

to discs is also present to aggravate the situation. perhaps the reason for low

shleshak kapha is reduced "good fats" in diet (all have become weight gain

conscious) and high pitch propoganda of oils made from sun flower, safflower,

cottonseed, corn and soya.

 

In most yoga classes, warming up exercises before yoga practice take care of the

accumulated toxins in discs to some extent.

 

p s <tightbrwn76 has already suggested to you a good

approach. author would make it "step-by-step" FREE technique taking

the help of his friend, whose website is

 

www.atbsnr.com

 

after clearing up some pop-ups,

explore the entire site, but link "technique" on this site gives you

some simple exercises similar to those suggested by p s

These are all "free" natural exercises, without going into Patanjali

hath yoga or massages, etc. The exercises have helped more than

10,000 youth in software and call centres. In case the text

description of the exercise is not clear to you, and if you are close

to Pune (india) you can visit the SIA centre and learn the technique

in person. The site is under improvisation by providing some photos

or video clips of the technique.

 

you can help other members in the same boat by reporting your experience of

simple five minute exercises, no matter which method you follow.

 

dr bhate

 

ayurveda, "mail_manu_unam"

<mail_manu_unam wrote:

> **I feel pain, heaviness & pressure points in neck especially after

sitting

> in front of computer, to relieve the discomfort I normally

move/bend my neck

> toward or against the pressure points making clicking sound.

**And the same condition occurs in lower & middle of back. After

increased discomfort it feels like twisting sideways making crackling

sound to relieve the discomfort.

[Guest guest]

Dear Jacob

What is the latin word for Boswellia? Also where can that and

Yogaraj Guguggulu and IT band roller be purchased in the US.

 

Hariatma

 

 

> Also, boswellia is helpful internally and externally (as a cream)

to help..............Yograj guggulu is also indicated.

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Bhate,

Thank you for your reply. There is some discrepancy as to how much

5o ml is, when consulting my cookbook and online. Could you please

clarify in Tablespoons. Originally the author misread your post and

took the oil on an empty stomach ,alone, and now see it is to be

taken with food for breakfast. Where can the Yogaraj Guggulu and

Sinhnand Guggulu be purchased.

 

Hariatma

 

> dosage for sesame/olive oil can be upto 50 ml.....Yogaraj Guggulu suggested

already, author would suggest Sinhnad Guggulu

[Guest guest]

dear hariatma

 

1 tsp = 5 ml = 50 drops by a standard dropper

1 tbsp = table spoon = 10 ml

1 tea cup = 100 ml

 

most liquid medicines in india are sold such that the lid of the

bottle measures 5 ml.

 

Sinhanad Guggulu and Yogaraj Guggulu can be obtained on

allayrveda.com

This is the site of a wellknown pharmacy of india. Baidynath.

The link section of ayurveda also provides links to pharmacies

in india.

Guggle search will take you to several websites selling these things

online.

 

dr bhate

 

ayurveda, "hariatmayoga"

<hariatmayoga wrote:

> Thank you for your reply. There is some discrepancy as to how much

> 5o ml is, when consulting my cookbook and online.