Cough in 2.5 years Baby

[Guest guest]

Hi all ,

 

My Son ( 2years and 6 months ) is having a cough which is very high loud in

sound. He is having this cough when he was only 3 months . Since then his

treatment is on. We have consulted so many doctors and they have even taken his

X ray wheh he was 7 months only. It is going and coming agagin and again.

 

This cough sometimes disappears for 2-3 months and again it comes . Recently

doctor has taken his blood test and tells that he is having some infection and

this is common. He has given medicine for Deworm and Klacid .

 

But still this cough is not going , can you tell me any remedy in Ayurveda or we

need to continue allopathy . He is only 2 years and 6 months and taking more

medicines are not good for his health.

 

Doctor says his chest is clear and cough is dry .

 

Please suggest any treatment in Ayurveda

 

Gagan

[Guest guest]

hi gagan

 

see my recent posts on asthma - many of the recommendations are

relevant here as well

there are so many good herbs for asthma

 

try making a simple tea with 2 parts vasa, and one part each yasti

and haridra - all together about one large teaspoon of the powdered

herb per cup of hot water - other herbs to consider include tulasi,

bibhitaki, bala, vamsarochana, pushkaramula etc.

 

or, if available, western herbs like mullein, elecampane, grindelia,

cottonwood buds etc.

 

as a food-based remedy, stir-fry some hing, and a little ground

pippali and yavani in ghee, mix this with rice and give to your son

once a day

 

avoid sweets, sugar, dairy and flour

 

best.. todd caldecott

 

> My Son ( 2years and 6 months ) is having a cough which is very high

> loud in sound. He is having this cough when he was only 3 months .

...............

> But still this cough is not going , can you tell me any remedy in

> Ayurveda or we need to continue allopathy .

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.

 

Thanks a lot for your useful information.

Do you mean that he is having Asthama? But he is not having any breathing

difficulties.....In our whole family none of our member is having the same.

Anyway, I am staying in Oman (Muscat City) and I do not think that all of these

herbs will be available here .I will try o find and will let u know.

 

Do we need to stop Milk also ?

 

Please reply

 

Gagan MAnchanda

 

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hi gagan

 

see my recent posts on asthma - many of the recommendations are

relevant here as well

there are so many good herbs for asthma

[Guest guest]

it ~sounds~ like asthma from your description of the cough

 

in ayurvedic medicine it would be a dry-form of asthma, and thus

herbs to lubricate and nourish the lungs and throat are used - e.g.

vata rasayanas like licorice, as well as antiinflammatory (eg.

turmeric) and bronchorestorative (eg. vasa) agents

 

of course this is in conjunction with elimination of foods that cause

reactions in the mucosa, milk/wheat etc being a common culprit -

sugar on the other hand plays havoc with the immune system and

promotes the growth of certain pathogens

 

in Oman i think a humidifier would be a very good idea, with soothing

and cooling essential oils such as jasmine, honeysuckle, vettiver etc

 

oh and once again those pesky fish oils

if you are not veg then grass fed goat meat would probably have

significant omega 3s as well, and certainly is a traditional food for

the area, as are fish such as sardines

-of course there is flax/hemp/perilla, but as Ole pointed out, it is

a comparatively inefficient method

 

best... todd caldecott

 

On 29-Jan-06, at 10:50 PM, GAgan wrote:

 

> Dear Mr.

>

> Thanks a lot for your useful information.

> Do you mean that he is having Asthama? But he is not having any

> breathing difficulties.....

[Guest guest]

Dear Gagan

 

Based on experience with children similar as your son, between age

group 2-5 years, this author feels that your son has low immunity to

envirobnmental toxins and infections. Such children get low fever,

frequent cough/cold attacks and nose is running six months in a year.

Even dry cough cases also fall in this category. Having taken X-rays,

chronic serious disease is ruled out. Not having asthma in family,

and child not having breathing difficulty makes this author think

something different fromm recent suggestions.

 

In this connection you may see past messages on how to restore

immunity and role of Laghu Vasant Malti in making children immune to

cough/cold, fever attacks:

 

ayurveda/messages/1650

ayurveda/messages/1659

 

Frequently, cough is trying to expel mucous which has dried and

hardened. Hydrating the passages is beneficial in such cases. It may

be better to try few home remedies first, before trying any of the

medication for immunity referred to in above messages or adopting

some unknown measures.

 

Heat milk by dissolving turmeric in it, add pinch of salt and

jaggery and feed it to child to cure cold, cough and simmering sound.

You may also add 1/2 tsp ghee if jaggery is not available.

 

Apply castor oil on betel leaf, heat it slightly, keep it on

child's chest and with the help of warm cloth slightly foment it so

that the cough gets diluted.

 

Feed him a mixture of Tulsi leaves juice in honey for 2-3

times and by applying heated basil leaves juice on the chest,nose and

forehead, relief may be obtained.

 

If any of these home remedies work, there is no fear of chronic

asthma. You may give him a course of Laghu Vasant Malti, 1/2 Tab twice a day,

pounded mixed with honey. If your son is underdeveloped (weight, height) this

will take care. See message 1650, 1659 for further details.

 

Dr Bhate

 

ayurveda, "GAgan" <Gagan_manchanda@h...>

wrote:

>

> Hi all ,

>

> My Son ( 2years and 6 months ) is having a cough which is very high

loud in sound. He is having this cough when he was only 3 months .

Since then his treatment is on. We have consulted so many doctors and

they have even taken his X ray wheh he was 7 months only. It is going

and coming agagin and again.

>

> This cough sometimes disappears for 2-3 months and again it comes .

Recently doctor has taken his blood test and tells that he is having

some infection and this is common. He has given medicine for Deworm

and Klacid .

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr

 

Thanks again,

 

I would like to ask one more thing .. Do we need to continue allopathy in

addition to these medicines as I feel that since long time he is taking

medicines .

 

What about milk ..Should we discontinue?

 

Gagan

 

-

Todd Caldecott

it ~sounds~ like asthma from your description of the cough

 

 

in ayurvedic medicine it would be a dry-form of asthma, and thus herbs to

lubricate and nourish the lungs and throat are used - e.g. vata rasayanas like

licorice, as well as antiinflammatory (eg. turmeric) and bronchorestorative (eg.

vasa) agents

[Guest guest]

of course here we have a discrepancy, between dr. bhate and myself,

him telling you use to use milk-based decoctions and me telling you

to avoid milk

 

i do not believe that children between the ages of 2-5 need to have

chronic respiratory problems - my three children never had these

problems and in any children i have seen as patients, with the

avoidance of antigenic foods such as milk, wheat flour i have seen i

have seen improvements EVERY single time - the treatment of disease

should be directed to causative factors, and diet should always be

addressed at the outset to avoid a lot of wasted time

 

of course if my children do get dairy/wheat regularly this is what

happens:

1. i notice my eldest son constantly trying to clear his throat,

which can progress to difficulty breathing and cough - he will also

develop a rash on his upper lip

2. my second son will also get a dryness on his upper lip that can

turn into an unpleasant rash

3. my daughter will develop an eczematous rash - recently she had one

on her buttocks that initially was a diaper rash that didn't not get

better - topical/internal medications did nothing to stop it, but

when we eliminated ALL dairy and flour the condition initially got

worse but then underwent a dramatic/complete improvement over 2-3

weeks (this latter case was used to humbly "prove" to my wife the

impact of consuming dairy regularly, which she consumed throughout

breastfeeding while my daughter would regularly suffer from eczema)

 

and, as dr bhate and i have both mentioned, there may be other

environmental factors present that need to be addressed, such using a

humidifier at night, or an air filter in especially polluted places

(including indoor pollution with new carpets, fresh paint etc that

can release asthma-causing chemicals)

 

given the limitations of the internet, i cannot say for sure if its

asthma - it might very well be a lingering infection as suggested,

but the 6 month duration of the condition would certainly qualify it

as a chronic state - and also the ~sound~ of the cough: tight-sharp-

hard - this is the typical cough of asthma - regardless, i wouldn't

be anything more than a mild/intermittent form at worst, and can be

addressed through the recommendations made here

 

best... todd caldecott

 

 

 

 

On 30-Jan-06, at 6:18 AM, ayurveda wrote:

 

> Dear Gagan

>

> Based on experience with children similar as your son, between age

> group 2-5 years, this author feels that your son has low immunity to

> envirobnmental toxins and infections. Such children get low fever,

> frequent cough/cold attacks and nose is running six months in a year.

> Even dry cough cases also fall in this category. Having taken X-rays,

> chronic serious disease is ruled out. Not having asthma in family,

> and child not having breathing difficulty makes this author think

> something different fromm recent suggestions.

[Guest guest]

Dear Gagan

 

Author is surprised at such a fast response of disease to simple home remedy.

 

Reduction of cough suggests that cough was trying to expel dried mucous.

Continue milk 3 times a day. You will see mucous leaving by nose, mouth, stools.

Fomentation on chest with tulsi juice or salty water (hot water to which salt is

added) will increase the speed of mucous expulsion.

 

The concern of milk causing allergies in western countries is due to milk itself

being produced by hormone injected cows and fodder containing pesticides

residues. Cows do not go for grazing and are virtually prisoners: milk producing

machines. Milk from Cows which graze in sun have inbuilt immunity builders in

milk, comin from sunlight. More on this is already written in previous posts.

 

When one boils milk with turmeric, the milk properties change. Salt should be

added just before drinking milk, when milk is not hot, but just warm.

 

Forget about asthma. After cough cures and mucous leaves the body, if you

continue milk, always boil with a pinch of turmeric.

 

And report your experience after mucous flow almost stops. It would also help if

you stop using iodized salt and start using sea salt instead.

 

By the way, turmeric is immunity builder and 'cucurmin' in it is useful even in

cancer. Our respect for these simple kitchen spices should be restored.

 

DR Bhate

 

 

 

Dear Mr Shirish/Mr Todd ,

 

This is two days after giving the milk with turmeric and salt without sugar .

The cough has reduced a lot and we all feel he is better now. We are giving milk

2 times only instead of 4 times and he is improving.

 

Please let me know how long we need to conitue this.

 

Thanks a lot ..

 

Gagan

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr Bhate,

 

I also feel that the Milk which we are using here in OMAN is not good .

You are right, Here 100 % fresh milk like india is not available . We all are

using the milk supplied from UAE ( Dubai) Al-Mrai company .

This milk can be preserved for 4 days if kept refrigerated.I think this milk is

not good for all of using no other option available here we can use the milk

from these suppliers only.

 

I really thanks a lot to all the members / Moderator for their valuable

remedies.

 

Gagan

 

 

 

 

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The concern of milk causing allergies in western countries is due to milk

itself being produced by hormone injected cows and fodder containing pesticides

residues. Cows do not go for grazing and are virtually prisoners: milk producing

machines. Milk from Cows which graze in sun have inbuilt immunity builders in

milk, comin from sunlight. More on this is already written in previous posts.

[Guest guest]

i too am surprised with the fast response, and will be curious to see

if it is of a permanent nature

 

i have noted in some patients an abatement of acute symptoms when

reintroduced to allergenic foods

this often a reason why people persist in such habits, because they

make them feel good

however, we can usually see that what "feels good" is an adaptation

to a dysfunctional state - how many of us engage in unskillful

behaviours to make us feel better? how many of us feel worse, at

least initially, when this behaviour is stopped? but when this

behaviour is stopped for some time, its reintroduction will often

bring about a strong reaction, "proving" that it is dysfunctional -

this is the entire basis behind the "elimination-challenge" diet

 

however, i am certainly aware that turmeric in milk IS a venerable

folk remedy for cough, and may help some people

of course the cost:benefit ratio of consuming "junk" milk should be

carefully considered

 

for me personally, and many of my patients, milk decoction simply

make the condition worse - i cannot consume any dairy except butter/

ghee without experiencing an immediate increase in catarrh, some GI

distress, and other a couple days a mild acne

 

>

> The concern of milk causing allergies in western countries is due

> to milk itself being produced by hormone injected cows and fodder

> containing pesticides residues. Cows do not go for grazing and are

> virtually prisoners: milk producing machines. Milk from Cows which

> graze in sun have inbuilt immunity builders in milk, comin from

> sunlight. More on this is already written in previous posts.

 

this isn't the only factor - in a previous post you posted an article

on "autoimmunity" - cows milk (via casein protein) may induce this in

genetically susceptible people - cows milk is simply not satmya for

many peoples

 

my practice has mostly consisted of westerners and only a few asians

- the most people of indian descent i saw were in trinidad, but these

folks had so many other pressing issues such as diabetes and CVD that

considerations like milk didn't come into play

 

it may be however that indians and other peoples can tolerate dairy

better than others

people should decide this for themselves

 

i have seen soooo many times that a simple elimination of dairy/flour

in children brings about a dramatic and permanent change in chronic

or recurrent states including eczema, asthma, middle ear infection,

sinusitis, and chronic URIs

 

in adults with long standing "autoimmune" conditions such as RA, a

similar avoidance can bring about similarly impressive results

 

but to each is own, and i certainly respect the shirish's experience

as well

i wish i could drink milk - i like it, but i cannot consume it

 

best... todd caldecott

[Guest guest]

Connection between just a pinch of sea salt and dry cough, wet cough,

catarrah and asthma is brought out by an alternative expert at:

http://health./message/443

which is an excerpt from the book on hydrotherapy. If this article is

inaccessible, watercure2.org may be searched.

 

Also the usefulness of salt for respiratory problem patients is

brought out in a New England Journal of Medicine article, the link to

which is available in

http://health.ayurveda/messages/5539

 

Perhaps what worked is a pinch of turmeric and sea salt together, and

milk was just used as bait for the body. The remedy works even

without salt, but the cure gets enhanced by addition of salt. Folk

medicine is derived by experience rather than logic, and the safety

is always a prime concertn. Salt and turmeric we often use for

fomentation in swellings, varicose veins pain, muscle pains etc.

 

As a long term measure, prevention of industrial milk is best; but

milk, when boiled with herbs such as turmeric, ginger, black peeper,

aswgandha, arjuna, works like a medicine component and not as an

allergen. Pitta vitiating foods become pitta pacifiers, when soaked

and taken. This is reiteration of the fact that ayurveda is not an

analytical chemistry but holistic synthesis.

 

Regards

Dr Bhate

 

ayurveda, Todd Caldecott <todd

wrote:

>

> i too am surprised with the fast response, and will be curious to

see

> if it is of a permanent nature

>

> i have noted in some patients an abatement of acute symptoms when

> reintroduced to allergenic foods

> this often a reason why people persist in such habits, because

they

> make them feel good

> however, we can usually see that what "feels good" is an

adaptation

> to a dysfunctional state