Ayurveda is also Allopathy, unlike Homeopathy ?????

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Dear Jagannath,

All I have seen from you so far, is vitriolic postings against anything

considered even mildly

" modern medicine". You have only lambasted " allopathy", and have refused to

learn from more learned people , who have told you that Ayurveda is also

Allopathy, unlike Homeopathy.

Even in this post, you have mentioned people dying from Anesthesia, etc. Looks

like you do not see anything beyond your own bias. In fact, what you have

started is neither Ayurveda, ( because you are not trained in it), nor is it

academic, other than paranoid postings about all issues. I find your postings

very amusing. You are indeed talented in your language skills. I do empathize

with whatever you have gone through, but this is not a forum for that. You like

to control this "chat line", which should be renamed Jagchatonline.

 

I have not heard anything more paranoid than your statement, and I quote---"Most

of them are afraid to speak out because they feel their medical licences may be

cancelled if they protest too much". I am a practicing physician in America and

have never heard anything like this. Physicians here are willing to try anything

to help their patients. But they have 2 problems---1) There is no research done

by modern standards, and we do practice evidence based medicine, and 2) the

american population is extremely legally oriented and there is no recourse, to

fall back on, should somebody claim that x, y or z happened due to some herb.

Even the famous Dr Lad is not practicing Ayurveda here anymore because of these

problems.

 

I do agree with you on the unnecessarily very high cost of medication, and that

the Pharmaceutical companies are gouging the public. I also agree that some of

the research is sham, and a lot of it is meaningless and mostly a " me too"

research, where several researchers are reproducing the same things ( but also

proving that it indeed is reproducible and not sham). You may say that you do

support some of the treatment modalities of modern medicine, but I have not seen

it yet in your postings. If and when you do, I shall laud you for it.

 

Durgesh Mankikar,MD

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Dear Dr Durgesh,

 

Namaste. As you have pointed out, neither am I a doctor nor a scientist.

Fortunately I am a human being. I know that you are a reputed physician in your

own field.

 

I also admit that this is an ayurvedic forum. This forum is meant to encourage

ayurveda, value the comments of the ayurveds, provide direction to the ayurvedic

students and last BUT NOT THE LEAST, cater to the queries of the patients.

Unfortunately you like none of these.

 

In this forum of nearly 1800 members, I find only three to four show

disapproval. Of the four, three have shown only mild disapproval. Only one has

been unnecessarily vitriolic. Should I follow the dictates of one or react to

the love and affection shown by the rest of the group?

If you look around you, that is if you have the inclination and the time, you

will notice that the press is full of news of doctors being harassed for their

emerging unorthodox views. I myself have sent many such reports to this group.

Many reports have been blocked, maybe because they became repetative.

 

Again, the battle against modern medicine has been spearheaded not by doctors

and scientists, but by patients who have suffered in the hands of the allopaths.

This is certainly a cause for concern? Or then maybe not, because the condition

and welfare of the patients has always been very low on the list of priority of

the allopaths practising modern medicine.

 

I do admit that the basic principle of allopathy is a part of ayurveda. But

ayurveda uses allopathic principles based on their dosha based approach. Also

ayurveds use naturally occurring substances and not synthetic chemicals.

Ayurveda is holistic in approach.Thus there is a world of difference between

allopathy practised by modern medicine and allopathy practised by ayurveds.

 

I cannot favour modern medicine, but more than that I cannot favour the attitude

of the practitioners of modern medicine who refuse to admit that they have

totally failed in their duty as physicians; custodians of the health of the

population of this world. Had they been concerned about their patients and not

shut their eyes to their suffering , the present scenario would never have

emerged.

 

Whether you like it or not you may have to bear with my posts on this forum,

because all of my "vitriolic attacks" have been substantiated with links to the

web pages from where I have gleaned the information. I have never been biased

nor have I ever spoken off the cuff. In many cases I have admitted my mistakes

openly.

 

I also wish to inform you that though my knowledge is "insufficient" many

doctors from many paths and from many parts of the world frequently write to me

and we have become friends over the years. I am also on naturopathy groups,

homeopathy groups, yoga groups, accupunture/pressure groups, nursing groups,

reiki groups, prayer and spiritual healing groups etc. They have seen the

spirit behind my campaign and understood why, despite suffering from bad health,

poor financial condition I continue to devote my time and money to this cause. I

buy my own books, use the computer from internet cafe's, pay for my own

conveyance and suffer the torture of being attacked by well to do people who

cannot see beyond their own noses.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

> All I have seen from you so far, is vitriolic postings against anything

considered even mildly

> " modern medicine". You have only lambasted " allopathy", and have refused to

learn from more learned people , who have told you that Ayurveda is also

Allopathy, unlike Homeopathy.

[Guest guest]

there's a 3rd problem that physicians tend to look at

as well: 3: obsession with insurance companies and

making the most money. Often times they'll prescribe

medication just cause of a new pharma product out

there wanting test results. I've known far too many

cases up-close-and-personal to note this. Also a

minority of the physicians are encouraging alternative

medicine.. and that too with much resistance.

 

> But they have 2

> problems---1) There is no research done by modern

> standards, and we do practice evidence based

> medicine, and 2) the american population is

> extremely legally oriented and there is no recourse,

> to fall back on, should somebody claim that x, y or

> z happened due to some herb. Even the famous Dr Lad

> is not practicing Ayurveda here anymore because of

> these problems.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for being a part of supporter of ayurved......

Go ahead. ... Dr Ketan.

--- ayurveda

<jagchat01 wrote:

> Dear Dr Durgesh,

> Namaste. As you have pointed out, neither am I a

doctor nor a scientist. Fortunately I am a human

being. I know that you are a reputed physician in your

own field.

[Guest guest]

Dear P S,

 

Yes, I too have been reading a lot of posts on this insurance aspect in

other forums. And I agree with you that many mainstream doctors are now

referring their patients to alternative therapies. In India we are

seeing this phenomenon in those states where alternative approaches are

popular thus even mainstream doctors get to see the results. We must

respect them for this.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

 

ayurveda, p s <tightbrwn76> wrote:

> there's a 3rd problem that physicians tend to look at

> as well: 3: obsession with insurance companies and

> making the most money. Often times they'll prescribe

> medication just cause of a new pharma product out

> there wanting test results. I've known far too many

> cases up-close-and-personal to note this. Also a

> minority of the physicians are encouraging alternative

> medicine.. and that too with much resistance.