Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 dear Jagannath and this issue is the prevalence of goiter (euthyroid) in India (55 million, 150 million at risk), which is related to a deficiency of iodine - iodine of course is the most important rate-limiting factor in thyroxine synthesis - as a result of a thyroxine deficiency a feedback loop stimulates thyroid activity, eventually causing it to swell in size, which of course doesn't correct the underlying problem - a good example of how homeostatic mechanisms sometimes don't work despite themselves... people that live inland and don't eat fish or sea vegetables or go swimming in the sea are at risk of an iodine deficiency because iodine is not found in significant amounts in non-coastal regions it is thought that primarily vegetarian groups eating an unrefined diet (w/o iodization), with an emphasis upon legumes and cruciferous vegetables (especially in in-land regions) are at a dramatically higher risk for iodine deficiencies and goiter see: Ikeda T, Nishikawa A, Imazawa T, Kimura S, Hirose M 2000. Dramatic synergism between excess soybean intake and iodine deficiency on the development of rat thyroid hyperplasia. Carcinogenesis 2000 Apr;21(4):707-13 iodine deficiencies cause a decrease in the basal metabolic rate, promote goiter, and in pregnant and lactating women cause cretinism in infants, a condition marked by irreversible mental retardation this is a serious health issue that can't be explained away according to conspiracy theories the problem is that the Indian government has chosen to take a paternalistic attitude to the problem - social engineering on a mass scale, albeit for altruistic reasons a more holistic solution would be to increase the consumption of not just sea salt, of which you would have to consume an unrealistic amount to get sufficient iodine, but to introduce the practice of eating various sea foods - however, there are obvious logistical problems, and how are you going to communicate this effectively to simple rural people that have never really eaten sea foods and probably aren't going to start all that soon - thus, the solution of iodizing the salt of course there are issues related to iodized salt, namely, its overconsumption, which can paradoxically suppress thyroid function as well (fast foods are notorious sources of excess salt and as a result excess iodine) - further, some critics complain that inorganic iodine is metabolized differently than organic sources but there is no easy solution, and we cannot dismiss out of hand the reasons for iodizing salt (an iodized sea salt would be a better choice...) best... todd caldecott (who does not eat iodized salt, but regularly consumes seafood...) www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 hi Jagannath i am not sure where you are getting your information on this, but there are many examples of medicaments that are generally given to healthy people to prevent disease in ayurveda, e.g. taking haritkaki with different anupana for each season to cleanse the dhatus, enhance agni and support ojas - this is because there is an overlap between food and medicine, e.g. some may find mulligatawny soup quite tasty, but obviously has medicinal properties too when you have excess kapha or agni is weak as far as the medical profession and their opinion of iodized salt, i would say the vast majority support iodization of salt, and they have good data on their side simply by pointing to the prevalence of goiter and cretinism in places where iodization is mandatory i am not convinced that iodized salt causes autoimmune thyroiditis - but i still don't think its good for you and prefer natural, organic iodine sources - but we need to counter the arguments logically, and come up with workable ideas that benefit everybody instead of just argument - an activist also needs to have a solution borne out of their love and respect of their fellow humans - to live in the heart and not just the mind - how would you defend your stance to a mother whose baby is brain damaged because she didn't get enough iodine? anyway, i would like to hear thoughts on why iodine deficiency has become so acute in certain regions of India like the himalayas? (i read upwards of 66% in some locales) is it a loss of traditional trade practices with coastal peoples? has it always existed but now is more evident because of a proportionate increase in population? are there local iodine-rich foods that are no longer being consumed? i would investigate it myself but am too busy currently and am hoping somebody might shed some light on this best... todd On 22-Sep-05, at 5:53 AM, ayurveda wrote: > Dear Dr Durgesh, > > Namaste. In holistic systems of medicine such as ayurveda it is not > the method to give medicines to healthy people. Nor does it advocate > a mass method of treatment preferring to judge each patient on > individual merit. So the principle of introducing mass use of iodised > salt, or iron fortified salt, or even antibiotic laced salt > is not an ayurvedic method of treatment. If you are so aware on the > subject then you must also know that iodised salt can cause deep > distress to many patients with thyroid disorders and that modern > medical practitioners have themselves cautioned against this. Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear The way it is made out in the media, you would expect every othe Indian to have goitre. However that is not the case. You find goitre cases only among villagers battling severe malnutrition problems thus indicting that they are not receiving iodine naturally from food. Therefore the attention should be on the eradication of poverty and not on iodised salt. There is a lot of politics too within this. Hoping that the Government would ban common salt many big industrial houses have invested heavily in salt processing factories. They are hard hit if they cannot penetrate rural areas who still buy common salt. Medicines cannot solve all problems, proper education, equitable distribution of wealth, employment oppurtunities, better family bonding and support and making available healthy organic food however can solve many of our problems. This should be our approach. Instead today we have an industry driven pill popping culture. Regards, Jagannath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Hi guys just a thought, Could it not be that kelp supplementation could acheive the desired result instead of the iodized salt. Often in these salts a free flow agent is added usually a phosphate based additive which causes its own problems. I have been enjoying all the different auguments put forth about this salt issue and find it positive to share all our own views and broaden our thinking. Peace Nathan Coxsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 there are quite a few people that are allergic to kelp and it can react in certain health conditions (my mother experienced this and as did a few others). Also rural india doesn't really have kelp accessible, and the cost of importing it would be very prohibitive. > Could it not be that kelp supplementation could acheive the desired result instead of the iodized salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Actually, iodine is more useful in the case of hypothyroidism and less so in hyperthyroidism. Goitre is a symptom of hyper... approx 55% of the women are anticipated to deal with this issue at some point in their lives. Thyroid related issues tend to go unnoticed, since not very many doctors/practicioners/vaids tend to look at the endocrine too easily and even now its harder to find cures that work on these areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 let us focus on a solution as a group -what can we do as concerned citizens of the world, of our shared humanity? - how do we address gross nutrient deficiencies in the Indian population? where are inland people at risk going to get iodine in their diet? can you suggest an alternative? seriously - i am not being facetious - i want to know! could people on the coast trade dried fish and/or seaweed for some commodity inland? is there the infrastructure to create this? are their people that can help facilitate this? (on the solution side of the issue, seaweed and iodine-rich seaweed extracts could be manufactured and given to cows - much like seaweed is used as a fertilizer for grass, dramatically increasing the iodine content of the milk...) the eradication of poverty in India is a very long term project that won't address immediate health concerns one thing i appreciate about ayurveda is its practicality - if a patient suffers from a disease the physician doesn't tell them how to balance their prakriti - they provide relief and treatment to the disease, and then when this crisis is resolved recommends general and individual measures to stay healthy based on their constitution iodine deficiency is a crisis by any measure, especially if you and your family were the ones suffering from it - but what is the cost to a poor indian family of having a brain damaged child?? if we truly care about these people we need to act from compassion, and not crush them under the wheels of our ideology, not matter how beautiful and wise best... todd www.toddcaldecott.com > The way it is made out in the media, you would expect every othe > Indian to have goitre. However that is not the case. You find goitre cases only among villagers battling severe malnutrition problems thus > indicting that they are not receiving iodine naturally from food. > Therefore the attention should be on the eradication of poverty and > not on iodised salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 there are different kinds of goiter we are taking about euthyroid goiter, which has nothing to do with hyperthyroidism On 25-Sep-05, at 4:22 AM, ayurveda wrote: > Goitre > is a symptom of hyper... Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 > there are quite a few people that are allergic to kelp > and it can react in certain health conditions (my > mother experienced this and as did a few others). some people are allergic to iodine, (and hence kelp), but this is uncommon > Also rural india doesn't really have kelp accessible, > and the cost of importing it would be very > prohibitive. coastal india i am sure has kelp Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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