Water/Thoughts on ayurveda

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On 12-Sep-05, at 3:41 AM, ayurveda wrote:

 

> All elements in nature have a hidden or esoteric aspect. This aspect

> of water has been superbly brought out in the book, "The Message from

> Water" by Masaru Emoto. This book can be compared to the book, "The

> hidden life of plants".

>

> A link to a synopsis of the book can be read here;

> http://www.wellnessgoods.com/messages.asp

>

 

 

i am familiar with emoto's work, but the point at debate is whether or

not boiling water some how "kills" it, not changes it energetically -

this i already am aware of, and further, that boiling water is a valid

technique in ayurveda to modify its energetic effects

 

however - in a world where contaminated water is the number 1 "killer"

of children i fail to see that boiling it is an unhealthy practice -

indeed, it may be life saving, and that is my point

 

i think its important to realize that we have people from all over the

world on this list who might on occasion have "boil water" advisories

issued to them, and in which case, i don't want anyone thinking that an

esoteric concept can protect them from water-borne infection

 

 

 

> Such cures cannot be explained by modern methods whereas to the

> orthodox it would come as no surprise because they know that the prana

> shakti, once activated can do anything and everything. So you see it

> is not entirely faith that drives the orthodox but faith backed by

> intuition, evidence and experience.

 

i am not sure how the points i raised are an argument against

intuition, evidence or experience

indeed, orthodox beliefs often have nothing to do with intuition, and

just as often inhibits a true "knowing"

 

as for evidence and experience, these are often just as subtle, because

they will change according to our perception, i.e. "facts" and "proof"

are subjective experiences - the best we can come to is a consensus

that admits some kind of diversity

 

your statement "prana shakti, once activated can do anything and

everything" may unfortunately comes across as a sales pitch for a

particular belief, no doubt founded on some kind of experience, but

ultimately, probably not different from someone who believes in the

power of jesus christ or another potent belief, and hence we broach the

field of semantics

 

but in what some might call a pantomime of our true spiritual life the

common truth is that nobody escapes physical suffering, whether prana

shakti is activated or not - and hence ayurveda exists to alleviate, to

palliate this delicate human condition, and has no confusion around the

issue of immortality and illusion

 

i do believe that we can awaken to our greatest potential, and prana

shakti may be this

but it seems to me that it also grace that is bestowed and has nothing

to do with a particular belief or dogma, since anyone from any walk of

life no matter how learned they are in the scriptures or traditions can

experience it

 

very often what any orthodoxy lacks is the humility to see the nature

of this grace, and substitutes a formulaic adherence to petty ritualism

and codes of conduct that may in fact limit potential to receive it

 

but i don't believe that anything i am saying is all that much of a

stretch for an indian to consider, because heterodox elements in indian

spirituality have always been highly valued, even if viewed with

suspicion and fear by some (especially those that have an investment in

the status quo)

 

i can imagine that the early wandering ayurvedic doctors who collected

the sacred herbs, with matted hair, eccentric behaviors and apparently

miraculous healing skills would have been regarded with some

trepidation by your average villager, and yet it is to these physicians

that we probably owe the tradition of ayurveda - and less the old men

with their sacred threads and cult of exclusion who waggle their finger

and pass judgment upon others - perhaps you may see an analogy when

comparing alternative medicine practitioners with the medical

establishment you rail against

 

best...

Caldecott

todd

www.toddcaldecott.com

[Guest guest]

Dear

 

Greetings. I feel you are getting unnecessarily worked up on the

subject. We are all presenting different viewpoints, that's all.

 

What I said in my previous mail was that students of ayurveda should

be introduced to other concepts only after they are thoroughly

grounded on their own subject. For example, Sri Ramakrishna who

advocated the truth behind all religions did not ask everyone to

practice all religions. Instead he asked his devotees to practice

their own religion but be sympathetic to other genuine spiritual

paths.

 

I know that the Indian tendency to hark back at the past annoys

Westerners. Why we talk of the past is because our traditions and

links with our indigenous culture were broken by an alien

civillisation and unfortunately the same concepts continues to rule

the roost. To conquer us the invaders had to destroy our traditional

knowledge. I believe the natives of other countries, like the Red

Indians of America, too continue to cling to their own beliefs. Can

you blame us? Most of us feel like fish out of water and yet cannot

express ourselves without being criticised.

 

I did not object to your heterodox approach. You are experienced

enough in your field. But the neophyte in India often gets dazzled by

jargon and hype.

 

In the National Geographic programme on Ayurveda the production unit

preferred to trace out ancient ayurveda and not the modern version.

The various noted Indian authors on ayurveda too stress on the old

notions and so do the Western authors who try to protect ayurveda

from distortion in the hands of modern doctors.

 

After one gets a good grasp of ayurvedic practice one can start

assimilating knowledge from other systems, that is what I have always

been trying to stress.

 

Regards and cheer up please,

Jagannath.

[Guest guest]

I am in South Louisiana and we get advisories to boil water all the time.

Right now many of us still have to boil water from the hurricane and the

rest cannot drink the local water at all from all the chemicals that got

loose during the storm. I have been in many places in America that have the

complacent attitude that boiling water is not ever necessary here, yet take

all kinds of precautions overseas or in Mexico. We also tend to have the

attitude that Americans don't get parasites, for some weird reason. I know

differently having been treated for tapeworm in the past. Many doctors here

say that we don't have parasites in the general population, but I am not

sure that is correct. Shigella has gotten more common here and that is a

waterbourne parasite, and with our agriculture methods other pathogens

abound in our water supply. Can anyone else weigh in on this issue?

[Guest guest]

dear jaggy...

 

what makes you think i'm upset? this is a friendly debate and that is

all

there is no antagonism, and i think we agree on many points

however, we may need to admit a diversity of thinking on others

suggesting that i am upset or need of cheering up doesn't change that

 

with affection... todd

 

On 13-Sep-05, at 3:35 AM, ayurveda wrote:

 

> Dear

>

> Greetings. I feel you are getting unnecessarily worked up on the

> subject. We are all presenting different viewpoints, that's all.

 

> Regards and cheer up please,

[Guest guest]

Dear Darla,

 

Today almost everyone drinks boiled water and it is proper too

considering the pollution everywhere. But as per experts on the issue

even boiling water may not remove all harmful elements. So today we

have e-boiling (I really don't know what that means), passing UV rays

through water, advanced filtering etc.

 

I know the problem with most Americans, they are so used to very

clean and hygenic water that they fall a prey to stomach disorders

the moment they set foot in other countries. In India they are

usually advised to drink beer instead.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

 

ayurveda, Darla Wells <lethe9@g...>

wrote:

> I am in South Louisiana and we get advisories to boil water all the

time.

[Guest guest]

Todd talked about heating having the effect of energising water. I just

read a chapter where it is said that keeping your bath water bucket out

in the sun for some time helps you draw on the solar source of prana.

 

So Todd is right, as he always is !!

 

Regards,

Jagannath.