Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I am directing this to the "Pet branch" of Ayurveda. Particularly, the Siberian Husky sub-branch. Our 8 YO Husky would not eat when we arrived home from a trip a week ago. We took her to a vet and the vet said her teeth were rotten and about half of them would probably need to be taken out. Her gums were also bleeding. We feed her dry dog food only. I would probably have the teeth pulled except it cost about $6oo to do it. She was given antibiotics and is now starting to eat again but this is just temporary. One lady suggested brushing her teeth with myrrh twice a day. That got me thinking that guggul is similiar and it is a better "preparation". Animal teeth are pretty similiar to human teeth. Are there any Ayurvedic remedies for teeth when decay has already set in. I realize it would vary according to severity but most dentists drill at the first sign of decay. Is there a way to reverse mild decay in humans and/or in pets? GB Khalsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 hi GB canines don't normally accumulate tartar on their teeth, because they traditionally never ate any kind of food that would do this - the ONLY food for a dog is flesh and bone, esp. a husky that would have little choice of anything else up in those parts - dry dog food made with corn, wheat, oats, rice etc. is an unnatural (asatmya) for a dog, and directly contributes to disease search under BARF in google (the Biologically Appropriate Raw Food diet, or Bones And Raw Food diet) for dogs there's lots of products and supplements people try to sell that are BARF, but its simple enough - just feed your dog raw, meaty bones from any animal, even chicken or fish, as long as its raw do the bones don't get brittle - supplement this with organ meats, 2x week, such heart, liver, kidney etc. - adding some raw or lightly steamed vegetables in the diet and even raw fruit doesn't hurt, but avoid the dry kibble and canned dog food at all costs the accumulation of tartar on a dog's teeth is so unnatural that it provokes an autoimmune-like disorder, probably through bacteria entering into the bloodstream via the carious lesions apart from feeding meat and especially bone, try brushing with myrrh, propolis and echinacea without brushing however, you should notice a substantial reduction in plaque in a few months on the diet todd caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com On 13-Jul-05, at 4:33 AM, ayurveda wrote: > Message: 8 > Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:05:47 -0700 (PDT) > Guru Khalsa <greatyoga > teeth decay > > I am directing this to the "Pet branch" of Ayurveda. > Particularly, the Siberian Husky sub-branch. Our 8 YO > Husky would not eat when we arrived home from a trip a > week ago. We took her to a vet and the vet said her > teeth were rotten and about half of them would > probably need to be taken out. Her gums were also > bleeding. We feed her dry dog food only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I have 6 dogs. Is science diet or IAMS,Eukanuba any better at all or just as bad as the cereal dog food you mentioned? I don't notice my dogs being that unhealthy with the food I give them, though one of my dogs has deodemic mange,and her children seem to have some sort of dermatititis,though not serious Thanks Chotawa ayurveda, Todd Caldecott <todd@t...> wrote: > hi GB > > search under BARF in google (the Biologically Appropriate Raw Food > diet, or Bones And Raw Food diet) for dogs > > there's lots of products and supplements people try to sell that are > BARF, but its simple enough - just feed your dog raw, meaty bones from > any animal, even chicken or fish, as long as its raw do the bones don't > get brittle - supplement this with organ meats, 2x week, such heart, > liver, kidney etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 hi chotawa any dry-food, grain-based dog food will promote the accumulation of tartar - some use rice instead of corn, which is better, but even still, dogs did not evolve eating rice also, dogs aren't supposed to eat cooked and dehydrated meat, which is what is in kibble and canned - they need the proteins raw so they can digest them properly some people, even vets, will say that raw meats contain harmful pathogens like Salmonella, but has anyone ever seen a dog get sick from digging up an old bone? this is how animals such as wolves used to cache their kills, to save them for later - if this were a real issue then dogs would have died out long ago, but the fact of the matter is that they are biologically adapted to eating these foods and can kill these pathogens with their stomach acids and saliva cereals and grains are also notorious for causing skin problems in dogs - as i said, 3 months and you will notice a big difference -shining white teeth and a thick, glossy coat another side-benefit is that the feces are small, dry and crumbly, as they should be naturally in carnivores, not massive sticky piles - making clean up much easier, and a misstep very forgiving todd caldecott On 14-Jul-05, at 4:34 AM, ayurveda wrote: > "chotawa" <chotawa > Re: teeth decay > > > I have 6 dogs. Is science diet or IAMS,Eukanuba any better at all or > just as bad as the cereal dog food you mentioned? > > I don't notice my dogs being that unhealthy with the food I give them, > though one of my dogs has deodemic mange,and her children seem to have > some sort of dermatititis,though not serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 You mentioned brushing my dog's teeth with myrrh. I did get some. I presume that I should grind it up first and then brush. Is myrrh for killing the bacteria on the teeth, taking off the plaque or for rebuilding the teeth? Is there anything in Ayurveda for rebuilding the teeth? My next question is what remedy do you recommend after my dog bite's my finger off? GB Khalsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 > > > You mentioned brushing my dog's teeth with myrrh. I > did get some. I presume that I should grind it up > first and then brush. Is myrrh for killing the > bacteria on the teeth, taking off the plaque or for > rebuilding the teeth? finely powder the myrrh and rub it into your dog's gums and teeth you might want to use tooth scraper before hand to scrape of the excess tartar other herbs you could use include haritaki and neem, as well as bayberry, oak bark or echinacea root - all finely powdered the myrrh has an antimicrobial action, and helps to stimulate local circulation > > Is there anything in Ayurveda > for rebuilding the teeth? a mouthwash with neem bark/leaf has been shown to reverse incipient carious lesion how you would get a dog to gargle is another question entirely to rebuild the teeth is very difficult - the best is to arrest the decay, and keep the teeth free of tartar by dietary changes and maybe periodic cleaning with a herbal tooth powder > > My next question is what remedy do you recommend after > my dog bite's my finger off? flower essence of snapdragon? ;-) anyway, i think prevention is the way to go with a proper diet you will stem problem at its source Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 It is not completey true,as dogs are omnivores. Wild dogs genereally first eat the stomach.intestines of prey they kill,or others kill,and of which are omnivores. Eating more meat,organ foods can help the for the dogs,but dogs can also get inflammation of the liver from eating too much organ foods. ayurveda, Todd Caldecott <todd@t...> wrote: > hi GB > > canines don't normally accumulate tartar on their teeth, because they > traditionally never ate any kind of food that would do this - the ONLY > food for a dog is flesh and bone, esp. a husky that would have little > choice of anything else up in those parts - dry dog food made with > corn, wheat, oats, rice etc. is an unnatural (asatmya) for a dog, and > directly contributes to disease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 as i pointed out in an earlier discussion the delineation of vegetarian, omnivore and carnivore is artificial- in reality its a spectrum, with some animals eating more vegetable foods, and some eating less - canines certainly are known to eat some plant-based foods, but not as a primary source of nutrition anyway, calling a canine an "omnivore" because it eats the partially digested stomach contents is inaccurate - the method of delivery is still the dead animal - by any anatomical or physiological analysis of a dog it can be quickly seen that the animal is designed as a carnivorous predator, with large teeth and claws, sharpened molars for grinding bone, and a shorter, less convoluted GIT that has much less bacteria than typical ruminants (which is why a dog's normal and healthy BM is dry, small and hard...) i'm not sure where you picked up that i said dogs should eat organ meats all the time - i said two times a week, to ensure the correct spectrum of all the nutrients, vitamins and minerals they would typically get on a regular basis if they were hunting - my experience with the BARF diet in dogs has been very positive, and is totally supported by the natural history of the animal todd caldecott On 26-Jul-05, at 2:58 AM, ayurveda wrote: > Re: teeth decay > > > It is not completey true,as dogs are omnivores. > Wild dogs genereally first eat the stomach.intestines of prey they > kill,or others kill,and of which are omnivores. > > Eating more meat,organ foods can help the for the dogs,but dogs can > also get inflammation of the liver from eating too much organ foods. Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 ayurveda, Todd Caldecott <todd@t...> wrote: the delineation of > vegetarian, omnivore and carnivore is artificial- in reality its a > spectrum, with some animals eating more vegetable foods, and some > eating less - canines certainly are known to eat some plant-based > foods, but not as a primary source of nutrition > > anyway, calling a canine an "omnivore" because it eats the partially > digested stomach contents is inaccurate - the method of delivery is > still the dead animal - by any anatomical or physiological analysis of > a dog it can be quickly seen that the animal is designed as a > carnivorous predator, with large teeth and claws, sharpened molars for True but dogs do not evolve when being domesticated? Meaning that they could adapt to a different diet(since domestication thousands of years ago) grinding bone, and a shorter, less convoluted GIT that has much less > bacteria than typical ruminants (which is why a dog's normal and > healthy BM is dry, small and hard...) > > i'm not sure where you picked up that i said dogs should eat organ > meats all the time - i said two times a week, to ensure the correct Chotawa: No,I meant to say that too much fat,including meat fat,leads to problems of pancreatis(not liver as I had said). spectrum of all the nutrients, vitamins and minerals they would > typically get on a regular basis if they were hunting - my experience > with the BARF diet in dogs has been very positive, and is totally > supported by the natural history of the animal I will still try the raw meaty bones diet. Though,besides the skin problems my dogs have,they are pretty healthy on dry dog food,though I will try the Raw Meaty diet. I like to debate,as you can see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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