Modern medicine vis-a- vis Alternate medicine

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Somehow I felt that the present infighting among the

elitists buttressing varied viewpoints on system of mediccation a bit

far-fetched. We are unnecessarily trying to compare Bangladesh cricket

team with Australian cricket team and expecting identical results!

1.0 Ayurveda has history of thousand years behind it.It is a

different issue that it lost its way due to political factors. Modern

medical science is not even hundred years old. Ayurveda must have

passed through similar upheavals in its formative years. Understanding

the root cause of body problem is not an easy matter. I presume that

thousands of years back, Ayurveda must have started with symptom based

medication. It must have gone through few hundred years research to

assimilate the understanding of body science and gradually changed to

knowledge based medical science instead of symptom based science. As

well known to all, formative years of Homeopathy was also not full of

roses. Coming century would be the century of bioiscience. Research of

genetics would allow Allopathy to gather sufficient knowlege to be

considered at par with Ayurveda. It would certainly change to

body-knowledge therapy from Symtomatic therapy. I am absolutely sure

that it would not take more than 70-80 years. Modern Chemistry and

Modern Physics also had taken less than 100 years to understand Quantum

mechanics. Only the conflict between Cosmic science and quantum

mechanics are waiting to be resolved. It means that Gravitational laws

would be the part of Unified Field theory.

 

2.0 As a common man, certain aspects I do not realize. Any system of

medication cannot go beyond 92 naturally available elements. Therefore a

few questions automatically come to our mind.

a) As knowledge of the body is not fully understood in allopathy and

it is likely to vary person to person, symptom based drug creates rise

in toxicity level in certain quarters. Some of the elements being

consumed may contradict the body mechanism of certain individuals.

Ayurveda tries to correct Mind-Body- Soul imbalance. Allopathy also

tries to correct Sodium - Pottasium imbalance.Allopathy does not take

care of soul. Whether Ayurveda takes care of Soul in day-to day therapy?

Where is the actual problem ? Is it the drug asynchronism to body

mechanism main problem?

 

b) Homeopathy is Immunology based medication. Same is followed in

Allopathy for vaccination.

 

c) Accupunture tries to energise the electrical signal. Pranayam may be

doing the same thing in different way.

 

Conclusion :

 

1) Symptom based therapy coupled with genetic knowledge might

catapult Allpopathy to follow same approach as in Ayurveda. It may take

another 70 years.

2) Body mechnism is highly complex and least understood among all

the sciences. Different therapists try to attack the disease in

different way. Six blind men should not try to form an opinion over the

whole elephant.

 

3) I go to allopathic specialist for cardiac and diabetic

problem, to Homeopath for cold & cough and to Ayurvedist for Urinary

tract infection. This choice depends on many factors.

 

4) System integration of different types of medication cannot be

ruled out in 50 years time frame.

 

 

Regards

 

Asis Das

[Guest guest]

Dear Asis Babu,

 

Namaskar. It is obvious that you are more of a scientist than a

medical person. This very thing is the bane of modern medicine.

Today's scientists are physical scientists. They find it very

difficult to go beyond matter. And matter cannot form the basis for

studying the creation called man.

 

We see the nuclear physicists at their wits end trying to come to

terms with certain results which are the outcome of their experiments;

 

1. Light is both particle and a wave.

2. The subject affects the object.

3. If there is no subject there is no object.

 

These are only some of the puzzles before the modern scientists. To

solve these puzzles they have to go beyond matter, beyond the senses

and beyond reason, beyond logic. One can easily understand their

frustration. For these factors; matter, senses, reason and logic are

like the four legs of the animal called "science". This is why

scientists are spending more time today studying philosophical texts

than pouring over scientific journals. They are now preferring

Confucious over Einstein. Even Einstein was philosophical but today's

scientists are a confounded lot. They find it very difficult to

comprehend the elephant even with their eyes open. This is not

without reason; the elephant simply is not there.

 

It is puerile to assume that the ayurveds struggled with physical

symptoms. Ayurveda is known as the fifth Veda, coming after the other

four. Therefore highly developed brains were at work while putting

the foundations of ayurveda unlike the greedy/selfish/power hungry

medical professionals of today who are more interested in their

earnings than the health of their patients. I am not the only person

saying this. The whole world is sore on this issue.

 

The earlier ayurveds studied herbs, the modern doctors are also doing

the same. The modern doctors are armed with a gallery of instruments

ranging from tweezers to the electron microscope. Tell me are the

findings of today different from the findings of those "cave men"?

 

It was a prophecy of those days that in the kali yuga men would

forget the power of mantras and would become dependant on yantras.

True to that prediction we have lost the power of our minds and hence

imagine ourselves to be the body. We have forgotten consciousness and

become associated with matter.

 

Allopathy is a so called "medical science" that has not yet been able

to trace the life force. Without this knowledge it is not possible to

define the disease force. And without defining the disease force you

cannot form a medical science. You are amassing a huge army but you

do not know who your enemy is. Can there be anything more amusing

than this?

 

As regards homeopathy, the curative factor was found first and

everything else came later. It is like the egg was born before the

hen. Hahnemann accidentally tried a drug on himself, the bark of the

China tree, and found homeopathy. It took him a lifetime to define

what he found and form solid principles upon which to act.

 

You are completely out of tune when you talk of the limitation of the

92 naturally occuring elements. Homeopathy and ayurveda ostensibly

work with these elements, and many other elements from the vegetable

and animal kingdom, but what is used is not the physical elements but

the curative property inherent within them. The curative property

used by alternative medicine is beyond the understanding of modern

medicine. They therefore also find it difficult to understand how

ayurved's and homeopath's can work with toxic elements and yet show

no signs of toxicity.

 

I will of course agree that modern science has done within a 100

years what the earlier seers have not been able to do in thousands of

years. It has brought our civillisation on the brink of extinction.

Thousands of species have disappeared from the face of the earth.

Human beings have lost their humanity and turned into animals. Our

environment, air, and water is today poisoned beyond redemption.

Today's forest cover is hardly a fraction of what it was even 50

years ago. Mining activities have left the earth empty and scarred.

Clearly modern science has achieved a lot. Congratulations !!!

 

As for genetic knowledge, even the scientists do not know what kind

of a Frankestein they will be creating next. Genetically modified

plants have thrown up an entirely new crop of mind boggling problems.

None of the genetically engineered animals have survived. Genetic

experiments on human beings have had tragic endings. And you say

medical science will be conquering disease in another 70-80 years?

 

Again for your information alternate medicine is holistic is approach

unlike "modern medicine" which is reductionist in approach. Even a

small child with a slight common sense can say that we cannot make a

man out of combining all the organs. And it is also childish to

assume that one organ has no effect on another.Probably you are not

aware but the allopaths themselves want to revert back to the general

practitioner approach of yore. The WHO, to the detriment of the

allopaths, has recognised this holistic approach and also praised the

efforts of alternative medicine in its role to properly understand

disease and cure. It is thus not a surprise why modern medicine is

today trying to ban alternative medicine via rules such as DSHEA and

Codex.

 

I think the scientists should restrict themselves to things

scientific and leave the GENUINE medical community alone. They will

do better to study robotics and make robots instead of trying to

understand human beings. Allopathy too will be extremely effective

there. The robots will be loyal to the scientists unlike human beings

who are today rising against them.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

[Guest guest]

Wow. That was very well said. I wish I had the ability within my own

limited mind and personality to express myself so well.

 

Good job.

 

Ryan Kurczak

 

In a message dated 7/4/2005 1:39:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jagchat01 writes:

 

 

Dear Asis Babu,

 

Namaskar. It is obvious that you are more of a scientist than a

medical person. This very thing is the bane of modern medicine.

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[Guest guest]

ayurveda, ascendwv@a... wrote:

 

> Wow. That was very well said. I wish I had the ability within my

own > limited mind and personality to express myself so well.

>

> Good job.

> Ryan Kurczak

 

 

Dear Ryan,

 

Thank you for the appreciation. Actually if you are confident that

you are right, you have the zeal to fight for a just cause, you

immerse yourself with your heart and soul into the issue, if you are

fighting without any selfish motive, and if you have belief in

yourself and are not afraid of opposition then everything is possible.

 

And also you should be willing to develop a (very) thick skin !!

 

Regards,

Jagannath.