C-section

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It appears like there is a question about the ethics of the professional

conducting the delivery and also the track record.

Due to good ante-natal ( pre-birth) care of the mother and the baby, it is not

usual to see the 5 to 6 lb babies. The babies are much larger now, and perhaps

very routinely 7 1/2 lbs to 8 lbs, and even 9 lbs. To deliver such large babies

per vaginum, means "trouble" for the mother, resulting in vaginal tears ,

etc....

 

Very often, in order to make the patient comfortable, practitioners end up

saying something like my C-Section rate is not high, or you may not need it, or

something like that. Instead, they should say something like we shall take an

Ultra sound in the 8th month, and see the size of the baby. Then they can make a

rational decision regarding the rest of the delivery.

 

Perhaps there are unethical practitioners, who look at only the $ sign, or have

something else to do and therfore rush into a C-Section. But these are far and

few. In Brazil, the C-Scetion rate is very high, because of the myth that that

retains the vagina intact and therfore is not an impediment to future coitus. If

you do end up having a midline tear, the repair can lead to painful coitus.

There are therefore several factors that determine your ultimate outcome.

All I can say is Good Luck to every parturient woman and to her baby.

 

ayurveda wrote:

Message: 9

Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:01:36 -0800 (PST)

Guru Khalsa

C-section reasons

Dr. Mankikar,

 

I think you are right about c-section births. My wife

had a baby 12 years ago in the U.S. She went to a

midwife. She did not tear when delivering. Her

midwife said that the mothers she attended rarely had

tears in the perineum. I think that the way the

midwife trains the mother and "coaches" the mother has

a lot to do with it. I would suggest that pregnant

mothers ask their doctor or midwife what kind of

record they have for tearing, C-sections, etc. It can

vary alot.

 

GB Khalsa

[Guest guest]

A message remaining unanswered for 9 months, when this author dug it

out from the archieves and answered, generated a volume of

informative discussion. Perhaps it has caused some mis-understanding

also. Objective of this post is to clear the same. The objecvtive of

the previous post was not to cause the storm that U.S. has a larger

number of C-sections and Indian women deliver normally. Nor the point

that Cow milk contains desirable hormones. Has anyone ever looked at

what hormones are there in Cow urine? He/she will be astonished!

 

Another point. A mother is mother, no matter which part of globe she

is located. She just behaves according to pure love hormones donated

to her liberally by creator. She Only gives, does not ask the price.

This love has a special name in Sanskrit "Vatsalya". For same reason,

the term used by Guru for his "Shishya" is "Vatsa". From the same

word is derived the term for cow baby: 'Vasaru' in Marathi. In

oriental cultures, mother is godess. This author becomes a little

emotional while discussing this subject since he has seen both

mothers and cows whose breast start dripping the milk, when they hear

cries of their off-springs. On the other hand Indian cows often do

not release milk when milkman tries to milk her, if calf is not

allowed to take the milk first. Same is not true of foreign breed

cows and hence, Indian dairy industry terms them as 'Milk machines'.

 

Even in Indian cities, women whose lifestyle is hard, do deliver

normally. Objective of the previous post by this author was to

generate member views, useful discussion and not to advocate

some "net information or promote some website", rather awaken the

future moms and ayurvedists to the situation. A few of the patients

of this author have suffered very much due to surgical tears/forcep

damage and later doses of heavy anti-biotics. Most of them belong

to "wealthy-sedantary life-style" class, as Todd opined.

 

Leaving aside the ethics question, Dr Mankikar has brought out a

very relevant point, the baby size leading to C-section. But this

raises another question in the mind; the way we develop obessity by

wrong choice of food and lifestyle, is it possible that the ante-

natal care or vitamin suppliments make the babies heavy for future

suffering of both? True research in this direction must be undertaken

by ayurvedists.

 

Should we be trying for healthy or heavy babies? This question is

similar to the fact that the body of a wrestler is heavy. He can

deliver heavy blow but body of a yogi/tribal is not heavy. He can

sustain efforts for a longer time, can go without breathing for some

time and survive in a unhealthy environment. Tenacity. Should

pregnant moms be trying for Yoga or eat to make baby heavy is a

question that ayurvedists must answer. In this light experiences of

Connie and GB Khalsa are worth noting. Recommendations by Todd giving

western herbs are also notable contributions for western moms. The

topic may generate further discussion; the purpose of digging up an

old message has met its objective.

 

Dr Bhate

 

ayurveda, durgesh mankikar

<d_mankikar> wrote:

>

> It appears like there is a question about the ethics of the

professional conducting the delivery and also the track record.

> Due to good ante-natal ( pre-birth) care of the mother and the

baby, it is not usual to see the 5 to 6 lb babies. The babies are

much larger now, and perhaps very routinely 7 1/2 lbs to 8 lbs, and

even 9 lbs. To deliver such large babies per vaginum, means "trouble"

for the mother, resulting in vaginal tears , etc....

>

> All I can say is Good Luck to every parturient woman and to her

baby.