coconut oil and other health miracles

[Guest guest]

Thanks Todd. I will continue to use extra virgin coconut oil, in spite of the

advices that comes from the state or market governed expertise about saturated

fats. I cannot buy coconut oil day fresh here, and have to trust the expiration

date on the glass, that the content really is extra virgin oil and then evaluate

it after taste and smell.

I agree on your opinion, that information and the need for production hegemony

of are economically motivated… the racist part I am not sure of. It is common

sense not to trust profit makers, but today it is even hard to trust some parts

of the health industry, because of sponsored and skewed information. My guess

is that producers of other oils, due to power are able to do deliver research

results to support the effects of their product and that the same industry can

support research that raises doubts about other products, as the skewed

information about the effects of coconut oil and saturated fats on health. Today

companies change owners all the time and their reputation is not that much at

stake, ethics is not the biggest concern. Consumers are someone far away, in

many ways dehumanized to consumer machines as almost every concern for the

companies is about making big money as quickly as possible. If some oils are

creating unspecific or specific health problems it is not easy

for each and one of us to test that out, we are left alone with our problems

and pains, today when even science is sponsored by the industry. The marked

economy focus and the privatization of society and even pain is one of the main

problems in western medicine and health industry today where the fox are set to

mind the geese…so to speak.

The fat epidemic here in Europe and in northern America is most probably caused

by many factors (for instance physical passive lifestyles and malnutrition), but

it interesting to observe that overweight are epidemic in spite of the enormous

increased consumptions of light sweetened, low fat and poly saturated fat

products. People eat heated fat in fabricated foods and snacks and when making

their own food, and therefore a lot of heated unstable oils are consumed.

You cannot open a book on nutrition without hearing the same lesson over and

over, as this one: “Nutritionists agree that we should increase the ratio of

polyunsaturated to saturated fats in our diet to lower blood cholesterol levels

and reduce the risk of heart disease…. In fact, coconut oil and palm kernel oil

actually contain a higher percentage of saturated fatty acids than animal fats

do.” (Referred from University of California at Berkeley The Wellness

Encyclopedia of Food and Nutrition by Sheldon Margen, 1992).

I hope that it is as you say, that there is about to happen a shift in

knowledge.

About the lab animals you wrote about, did they get unstable /unbalanced heated

oils, or may be one or more other variables where not controlled for, may be

results where manipulated or may be it is so that animal models cannot

stringently be used to understand human health. Who knows? Anyways,

arteriosclerosis also seems to be related to the lack of magnesium in drinking

water http://www.mgwater.com/durwater.shtml,

which should lessen the burden on fats& oils as an explanation factor alone. It

really is important to see the complex holistic picture, as you and dr. Bhate

addresses.

I have found very few studies on the effect of coconut oil on human health. Are

there some available?

 

FROM OILS TO MEDICAL MIRACLES:

You wrote: “There is no miracle cure except the miracle of your own awareness”.

I have myself experienced that health miracles does exist, even though it is not

magic since it follows reasonable knowledge. The miracle cures I have in mind

have nothing to do with oil or are not within Ayurvedic medicine, but since you

are interested in health I will mention it here anyways.

In traditional medicine there have been discovered “miracle cures” both via case

studies and epidemiological studies, but since it is hard to do big money on

such miracles they have been met with opposition ands ignorance from the

official medical establishment, and silenced since it did not sell as well as

drugs and vaccines. Examples of such miracle cures are the French surgeon and

professor Pierre Delbet (1915) and A. Neveu(1943) using Magnesium Chloride

solutions to successfully treat many types of illnesses and conditions. There

are Internet articles available:

http://www.curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=49&db=5&C0=74

Then there is the Iranian dr. Batmanghelidj (

http://www.watercure.com/Topics1.htm )

That recommends cures with water and salt& water and sugar& water. He has

successfully treated several thousands of patients with different conditions. It

is not the same as earlier water cures. It is possible to listen to what him at

the following link:

http://www.lauralee.com/index.cgi?search=Batmanghelidj++&range=All&x=10&y=9

There are three FREE AUDIO PROGRAMS of Dr. Batmanghelidj:

Water Cures : http://www.lauralee.com/index.cgi?pid=3315

Water's Healing Power

Water and The Cell

It is worth listening to his theories and then the advice he gives is very

testable. It is simply amazing, and it works. He explains the mechanisms

involved on the cell level and gives a good explanation about the importance of

blood cholesterol in one of the three free audio programs. I know that sea salt

and water (from the tap) forms magnesium chloride in a precipitated reaction

when consumed. I cannot explain what chemically happens when sugar and water

reduces or stops bleedings. May be someone here got the answer?

There are probably some parallel cures and knowledge within the Ayurvedic

tradition that is very much like the miracle cures that follows, but since I am

new to Ayurveda, you in this group have to tell those stories.

 

~from Lara

[Guest guest]

>About the lab animals you wrote about, did they get unstable /unbalanced heated

oils,

>or may be one or more other variables where not controlled for, may be results

where

>manipulated or may be it is so that animal models cannot stringently be used to

>understand human health.

 

my point was that we cannot reliably extrapolate data gathered from animal

models and

apply it humans - feeding vegetarian rabbits animal lard to test the

"cholesterol

hypothesis" makes no sense - this is better appreciated now, but back then it

wasn't,

and now we're stuck with the conclusions

 

>Who knows? Anyways, arteriosclerosis also seems to be related to the lack of

>magnesium in drinking water http://www.mgwater.com/durwater.shtml,

>which should lessen the burden on fats& oils as an explanation factor alone. It

really is

>important to see the complex holistic picture, as you and dr. Bhate addresses.

 

magnesium is an exceptionally useful mineral in CVD - and yes it is commonly

deficient

in the diet

magnesium acts like a calcium-channel blocker, and be successfully used to lower

BP

without dangerous drugs

the benefits of "hard" water have been known for some time - the people that

live the

longest in the world and have the lowest incidence of CVD are those that drink

pristine,

mineral-rich water, usually next to a mountain glacier, e.g. rocky mountains,

alps,

himalayas etc.

 

>FROM OILS TO MEDICAL MIRACLES:

>You wrote: ìThere is no miracle cure except the miracle of your own awarenessî.

I have

>myself experienced that health miracles does exist, even though it is not magic

since it

>follows reasonable knowledge. The miracle cures I have in mind have nothing to

do

>with oil or are not within Ayurvedic medicine, but since you are interested in

health I

>will mention it here anyways.

 

i wrote this quickly and perhaps over-generalized

my point was that healing for most requires some kind of shift in consciousness

on the

part of the one who is to be healed - where there is no "work" there is no

"healing," at

least not of a very permanent nature

 

however, what people may classify as a miracle is a very personal matter and

entirely

subjective - i have experienced many serendipitous events in my life that have

provided

me with no other explanation other than to call them "miraculous"

 

i have never performed any miracles in my practice, but some of my patients and

their

doctors may have been amazed with the results, indeed, maybe even calling them

"miraculous" - but this is because they were ignorant on some point

a new awareness brings with it a revolution in consciousness that seems

miraculous

 

if a miracle is to dispel ignorance, then those of us seeking to expand our

awareness,

even when its scary, challenging or painful to do so, then we are the miracle

workers

 

for those of us who receive miracles given to us from spiritual sources, how is

this any

different? it is a call to awaken to a new potential that dispels the ignorance

of the old

 

best... Todd Caldecott