shatavari not working??

[Guest guest]

Thank you for responding to my email. I had my 4th child 8 months

ago. My hormones it seems have been messed up since after my first

child but I didn't pay much attention to at that time - I was 18 years

old and my body I think handled it alot better. I remember trying some

progestron cream after my 3rd child, I got really badly messed up after

her. That is when my thyroid became hypothyroid and when I put on 35

pounds. That is also when the doctors started

"auto-prescribing"antidepressants to me . now that I recall they

actually started me on them while I was pregnant with her. I think my

body was already more messed up because after my 2nd child I went into a

state of hallucigenic use for about a year -- mind you my kids did not

live with me. I lived alone - my 1st son living with his grandparents

because the college I started attending refused to let me live in a dorm

with my baby. So he moved with them. I became pregnant shortly after

starting college (and gave that child up for open adoption) so just

wanted to clear up that my children where not in any danger. Anyway

- I think the hallucigenics and other drug use - really messed up my

body and I never did a body cleanse until ohhh 4 years later when my

daughter was born and they had to do a colonoscopy and they give you

that stuff to drink that cleans you out.

Anyways I am babalin again - so sorry.

I hope to find a solution soon. - when I don't feel good (which is on a

daily basis from the fibromyalgia) then I am not able to give 100% to my

family.

Hugs

Deana

[Guest guest]

Hi Martha,

Thank you again for your guidance as it is really helping me as I take

the steps you suggest. I will continue taking the tea with equal parts

cumin, coriander and fennel powder, but will drink it to take the

shatavari which I have been chewing per someones suggestion.

 

As per your statement "Your fibromyalgia ...........Self massage with warm oil

will be highly advised." I use a lavendar essential oil for daily pain massage.

Who could suggest the proper formula to help with the fibromyalgia. I have done

some research and found no one that practices ayurveda in this area-- maybe some

suggestions of herbs i can by and combine myself?

 

Thanks again fr much wisdom!

 

Hugs

Deana

[Guest guest]

Deana,

Please tell me how long you used the antidepressants and when/if you

started/ came off them? It is very important to understand the risks

of coming off them and never to attempt on your own without guidance.

You must know by now I am not saying this as a standard medical

euphamism.

1. The research shows that up to 6 months after coming off them

there is very high risk for major disruptive experience, violent

emotions, physical and mental extremes, etc from, extreme levels of

cortisol in the blood from extreme levels of the seratonin

downloading into blood stream from the brain where it concentrates

100s of times and is "stored". (1 Prozak, kinda of middle of the

road potency antidepressant, is measured to double cortisol levels.

Compare that 3 cups of coffee or subnormal american sugar intake they

say just holds cortisol at a high for 18 hours).

2. Example: if you have been on them for a year, Dr. Ann Blake

Tracy finds (without ayurvedic guidance or therapeutic uses of

essential oils) you should take half that time (6 months) to

gradually reduce the dose. Let's do the math. at 6months X 30 days

= 180th of your dose reduction daily. Seriously, something like

this. Ama reduction is critical to close the gap and increase the

comfort. Dr. Tracy sells a tape "Help I cant get off my

antidepressants" for $15 on the www.drugawareness.org website. It is

a real head's up education for professionals and clients alike. The

most useful modalities she has found are all heard in the last 1/2

hour so don't give up listening to the tons of info.

3. Notable side effects of antidepressants include: 30 =- 60 lbs

average weight gain. Blood sugar major swings and (I forget the

stats) high risk diabetes. Depression. (yes). FIBROMYALGIA.

Allergies. The list goes on, dominantly vata and secondarily pitta

accumulations in my opinion. Research done so far on only one of

them, Xoloft, I think, showed very high risk for cancer. (Causative

agent the same, excess serotonin). All but one of them have been

black box warning required just htis year as not recommended for

teens or children, Give THanks! Pregnant women not recommended.

Infants having problems who were on them in the womb (ref above safe

reductions alone!) etc etc.

4. Re improper postpartum rejuvenation/care (not that blame is ever

indicated, just understanding here) often shows up with the

hypothyroid and concommittant weight gain, low agni, depression, et

other vata vikruti and ama complications such as yeast.

5. Re use of the hallucinocenics - you must be listening to the

discussions. Antidepressants show, in testing, very similar blood

chemistry profiles to people on LSD! Also, one of my master

teachers, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, explained that after use of

hallucinogenics and marijuana, due to the extremes on the perceptual

mechanisms and liver, we would necessarily go through long (didn't

say how long) emotional/spiritual dry spell. Says to me the need is

for focus on rejuvenative therapies offered in Ayurveda.

 

Now I am the one carring on again long winded, but since learning of

these things over a year ago, I see it everywhere and am deeply

concerned about the lack of understanding in complementary as well as

alloopathic circles. Dr. Tracy is the expert court witness called in

about these medications, and states that all the big news stories

about postpartum depressed moms killing their children, as well as

all the school shootings, many (paid to be kept secret) hollywood

names, etc involve use of these medications including not only

individual sensitvities as well as excess prescriptions or attempts

at withdrawal.

 

In my son's private school, the Maharishi School of the Age of

Enlightenment, a teenage boy was admitted whose medical records were

not allowed by the state to be reviewed as terms of addmittance.

With significant schizophrenic history, he was on his meds when he

started, three months later he was not for whatever reasons, and in

full view of all his classmates stabbed a classmate next to him in

the dining hall fatally. This is extreme, but again, a saddening

wake up call which I'm concerned has not yet been heard properly in

terms of the medical/drug induced cause and managment lessons.

 

Please forgive the off topic directions, but I feel called to beg

everyone's attention. REgarding your needs, my first question is

most relevant to go from here.

 

Respectfully,

Martha Oakes

Ayurvedic Postpartum CAre, Training & ARomatherapy

www.sacredwindow.com

[Guest guest]

Without going back and getting all my records I won't be able to recall

exact dates or names of meds but out of recolection here goes.

 

On the record, I never took prozac.. the ones I do recall prescribed

over the years where Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Buspar, Xanax, Effexor,

Lithium, Paxil, Depakote, and the most recent Celexa.

 

The first precribed was before my pregnancy with my third child in

1996. They changed it many times and kept me on it during pregnancy. I

had been on antidepressants/antianxiety pills from 1996 to 1999 when

they tried to tell me I was bipolar. They actually put many names on

me.. The first was Post Tramatic Stress Disorder, the second Obsessive

Compulsive, third depression and anxiety, fourth bipolar, fifth decided

the bipolar was not correct and that my childhood and what I had been to

up to 1996 was probably Post Tramatic Stress Disorder with some

depression - that was the final diagnosis.

 

In 1999 I went off of all medications with the guidance of the

Phsycologist. The once I was coming off at that time was Zoloft or

Effexor and even with the slow wheening I had horrible side effects, I

remember keeping a journal online and posting at many of the boards.

Anyway.. a year later the doctor and I decided to try again.. my husband

and I were so close to divorce and our poor daughter was so little

through all of this. Three years after my daughter was born in 1997 I

was still having "depression" problems even though it seemed the meds I

was on where working ?? lol out of advise from a friend I asked the

Doctor to check my thyroid, mind you the doctors over the years never

asked or told me to do this in the first place and I had gone from a

size 6 to a size 12 in two years time. Sure enough I had hypothyroid..

on the high number side I believe he had said it was .7 or something

like that..

 

They put me on Celexa which I was on until I found out I was pregnant

with our most recent child. With the doctors guidance I weaned off

that the side effects where almost none. That was in June or July of

2003 and I have not been back on any of those medications since.

 

 

I am a bit scared with myself to be honest though, I still lose my

temper quite more then I used to (or maybe it is that I catch myself now

??) and get to the point of the feeling of breaking something -

although I never do, I sit down and rock in my rocking chair, take deep

breaths, remind myself that I am trying to control that anger I feel and

usually rock my baby. The only things that set me off and I am not sure

why yet is, CLUTTER ... The baby crying non stop so as I can't get

anything done, and lots of back ground noise bothers me extremely. I

always have to tell my daughter SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and I know I shouldn't..

she needs to feel like her words count to. I always have to tell them

to turn the tv down or turn the radio down, or no friends in the house

cause they make to much noise. Am I weird.. I guess its all leftover

junk from the physical and emotional abuse I went through from birth to

the age of 22. There is so much Crap .. let us just say I am a

survivor of alchol and drug overdose, a survivor of two teen

pregnancies, a survivor of severe physical abuse from my father, and a

few others in my family from the age of 6months (when my father got mad

at my mother who took off to take a walk around outside to coool down

and came back to find me lying in my crib screaming with blood all over

my face and clothing, - apparantley that is when the physical abuse

began from my father) my parents divorced when I was 5 years old and my

mother walked out - never to see me again until I was in 8th grade..

when parents started moving me and my sister back and forth between them.

 

Anyway enough bable sorry.. I am also a survivor of rape, anorexia and

bulimia, and physical abuse from boyfriends as well as being homeless

and kicked out into the streets during one teen pregnancy.

 

I have come a long long way in the 8 years since I started therapy and

NA meetings etc. But I still have so much to do.

 

I hope my kids turn out ok. and don't have to deal with any of this.

 

Hugs

Deana

 

doulaminerva wrote:

 

>

>

> Deana,

> Please tell me how long you used the antidepressants and when/if you

> started/ came off them? It is very important to understand the risks

> of coming off them and never to attempt on your own without guidance.

> You must know by now I am not saying this as a standard medical

> euphamism.

> 1. The research shows that up to 6 months after coming off them

> there is very high risk for major disruptive experience, violent

> emotions, physical and mental extremes, etc from, extreme levels of

> cortisol in the blood from extreme levels of the seratonin

> downloading into blood stream from the brain where it concentrates

> 100s of times and is "stored". (1 Prozak, kinda of middle of the

> road potency antidepressant, is measured to double cortisol levels.

> Compare that 3 cups of coffee or subnormal american sugar intake they

> say just holds cortisol at a high for 18 hours).

> 2. Example: if you have been on them for a year, Dr. Ann Blake

> Tracy finds (without ayurvedic guidance or therapeutic uses of

> essential oils) you should take half that time (6 months) to

> gradually reduce the dose. Let's do the math. at 6months X 30 days

> = 180th of your dose reduction daily. Seriously, something like

> this. Ama reduction is critical to close the gap and increase the

> comfort. Dr. Tracy sells a tape "Help I cant get off my

> antidepressants" for $15 on the www.drugawareness.org website. It is

> a real head's up education for professionals and clients alike. The

> most useful modalities she has found are all heard in the last 1/2

> hour so don't give up listening to the tons of info.

> 3. Notable side effects of antidepressants include: 30 =- 60 lbs

> average weight gain. Blood sugar major swings and (I forget the

> stats) high risk diabetes. Depression. (yes). FIBROMYALGIA.

> Allergies. The list goes on, dominantly vata and secondarily pitta

> accumulations in my opinion. Research done so far on only one of

> them, Xoloft, I think, showed very high risk for cancer. (Causative

> agent the same, excess serotonin). All but one of them have been

> black box warning required just htis year as not recommended for

> teens or children, Give THanks! Pregnant women not recommended.

> Infants having problems who were on them in the womb (ref above safe

> reductions alone!) etc etc.

> 4. Re improper postpartum rejuvenation/care (not that blame is ever

> indicated, just understanding here) often shows up with the

> hypothyroid and concommittant weight gain, low agni, depression, et

> other vata vikruti and ama complications such as yeast.

> 5. Re use of the hallucinocenics - you must be listening to the

> discussions. Antidepressants show, in testing, very similar blood

> chemistry profiles to people on LSD! Also, one of my master

> teachers, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, explained that after use of

> hallucinogenics and marijuana, due to the extremes on the perceptual

> mechanisms and liver, we would necessarily go through long (didn't

> say how long) emotional/spiritual dry spell. Says to me the need is

> for focus on rejuvenative therapies offered in Ayurveda.

>

> Now I am the one carring on again long winded, but since learning of

> these things over a year ago, I see it everywhere and am deeply

> concerned about the lack of understanding in complementary as well as

> alloopathic circles. Dr. Tracy is the expert court witness called in

> about these medications, and states that all the big news stories

> about postpartum depressed moms killing their children, as well as

> all the school shootings, many (paid to be kept secret) hollywood

> names, etc involve use of these medications including not only

> individual sensitvities as well as excess prescriptions or attempts

> at withdrawal.

>

> In my son's private school, the Maharishi School of the Age of

> Enlightenment, a teenage boy was admitted whose medical records were

> not allowed by the state to be reviewed as terms of addmittance.

> With significant schizophrenic history, he was on his meds when he

> started, three months later he was not for whatever reasons, and in

> full view of all his classmates stabbed a classmate next to him in

> the dining hall fatally. This is extreme, but again, a saddening

> wake up call which I'm concerned has not yet been heard properly in

> terms of the medical/drug induced cause and managment lessons.

>

> Please forgive the off topic directions, but I feel called to beg

> everyone's attention. REgarding your needs, my first question is

> most relevant to go from here.

>

> Respectfully,

> Martha Oakes

> Ayurvedic Postpartum CAre, Training & ARomatherapy

> www.sacredwindow.com

>

[Guest guest]

Deana,

 

I am truly sorry you have had to go through so much.

 

I am not a professional, but I would say that a lot of your anger maybe from all

the mental and physical things you have been through. It maybe built up anger

towards all the abuse you have had. Maybe the clutter and the baby crying make

you feel out of control and helpless, just like you felt out of control and

helpless during the abuse.

 

I also have a thing about clutter, I think my is just the fact that my Mom is a

cluttering kind of person and I hated it. My sister is the same way I am.

Although I was molested as a child, by our neighbor, I really can't see that as

the cause for me hating the clutter.

 

A baby crying can make anyone frustrated. Both my children cried a lot. They

wanted to be held all the time. I did not have the patience for that. The

doctor told me to just let them cry. So I did. I love them both tremendously

and they turned out well. . . wonderful. Both are very well adjusted and are

great students. My son is in college and my daughter high school.

 

Motherhood can be a very frustrating time. It does get easier, at least in my

case. As they get older things settle down.

 

Take Care

Hugs

Sherry