Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Hi, I were trying to make a list of the 25(24) tanmatra´s but couldn´t find the sanscrit names for the 11th till the 25th tanmatra. Perhaps someone please could help me? I found this subject rather deep but very interesting. Probobly there be more questions when I probe deeper into this subject. Also I have some tantric friends who speak about 48 of these tanmatras according to the kashmir shaivism system. Any thoughts? 1. Purusha (pure consciousness/spirit ... Brahma??) 2. Prakruti (primordial nature) 3. Mahat (cosmic intelligence) 4. Ahamkara (ego) 5. Manas (conditioned mind) 6 - 10. Tanmatras: (subtle elements, primal measure) - Shabda tanmatra (tanmatra of sound) - Sparsha tanmatra (tanmatra of touch) - Rupa tanmatra (tanmatra of sight) - Rasa tanmatra (tanmatra of taste) - Gandha tanmatra (tanmatra of smell) 11 -15. Pancha Jnanendriyani: (sense organs) - Ears - Skin - Eyes - Tongue - Nose 16 - 20. Pancha Karmendriyani: (organs of action) - Mouth - Hands - Feet - Urinogential - Anus 21 - 25. Pancha Mahabhutani: - Earth - Water - Fire - Air - Ether love and blessings kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Dear Kris, Ayurveda is one among the many ancient Indian sciences. In those times there was a free exchange of ideas among various sciences and each adapted the ideas of others if needed by modifying it as neccesary. What you are trying to study is a part of Indian philosophy which deals with the question "how was the universe formed" This is called as the "Shrusti-Utpatti Siddhant" or "Theory of creation of the universe" As you may be aware there were many branches of Indian philosophy and each had his own idea about how the universe was formed. The basic elements which formed the universe are called as "Tatva". We have branches which state that there is only one tatva, some which say there are two and so on. The most poular among them was the "Sankhya" school of philosophy. They counted 25 basic elements. They defination of a "Tatva" is an element which can further give rise to another elemnt quite different from itself. When we reach to the level of mahabhuta as you have described the proliferation of basic elements stop and the entire universe is then formed from a combination and permutation of this basic elements. Hence your search for 25 (24) "tanmatras" is not correct, it should be 25(24) tatvas. Kashnir Shaivism is also a school of thought and though I am not well versed with it, I am pretty much sure they must have described 48 tatvas and not tanmatras. "Tanmatras" are the tatvas formed from "rajasik ahankara" and "tamasik ahankara" which are types of the tatva "ahankara". These are also called as sookshma bhuta or subtle elements. They are only five in number and are named as you have described them. The manisfestation of these elements in a more solid form is done by the panch mahabhuta and they are perceived by the pancha Nyanendriyas. As you wanted here are the Sanskrit names of the tatvas you were not able to find. Though I am confused as to how you got the names of the first ten and not the other 15. As to your suggestion that there may be 24 or 25 tatvas by your writing 25(24), the fact is that Sankhya mentions 25 elements. In ayurveda this theory has been accepted with a slight modification. Over here the first 2 elements of Prakruti and Purush are counted as one. It is called as Purush or Atma. Hence we have the count of 24 elements. The reason for this is that Prakruti or Purusha individually are unable to initiate the process of creation, but toghether they iniate the process and hence are counted as a single element. Hope this satisfies your query 11 -15. Pancha Jnanendriyani: (sense organs) Ears - Karna Indriya Skin - Twak Indriya Eyes - Chakshu Indriya Tongue - Jivha Indriya Nose - Ghran Indriya 16 - 20. Pancha Karmendriyani: (organs of action) Mouth - Mukha Hands - Hasta Feet - Paada Urinogential - Upastha Anus - Guda 21 - 25. Pancha Mahabhutani: Earth - Prithvi Water - Jala Fire - Agni Air - Vaayu Ether - Aakaash Cybervaidya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Dear Cybervaidya, thank you so much for your help and answear on my question about the tatvas (tanmatras as I wrongly wrote). I have been away for a while and therefore I couldn´t thank you until now. It is truly a blessing to have such a place where learned schoolars put some of their time to help those who want to learn. Thank you so much. /kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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