Clinical training in Ayurveda

[Guest guest]

ayurveda, vinod3x3 wrote:

 

> In olden times, Vaidyas trained at the side of experienced vaidyas

> for many years before going on their own. Guru system is the best

> for training in traditional sciences - but is not readly avaiable

to most aspiring physicians.

 

The old tradition is still available and parallely existing with

academic training leading to B.A.M.S. and M.D. etc. The reason that

clinical training of academics is lacking because of

(1) Ego of a degree holder; He feels shy to approach a "Nadi" Vaidya.

(2) Vaidyas with thriving practice take advantage of students

(3) urgency to encash "degree" and "license".

(4) Early and correct diagnosis needs gift of sixth sense (Medha),

in any branch of medicines; in the absense of it, only file of

investigative "reports" swells.

 

Secondly, despite many academic institutions now available in

India, the number of "clinically trained/ Vaidya trained"

practitioners is too small in comparison to the demand. Vaidyas who

prepare their own medicines can be counted on the fingures of hands.

 

Regards

Dr Bhate

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bhate gives more relevenat issues relating to getting properly

trained - I am sure he and others could write endlessly on the

subject of proper training in Ayurveda and Siddhi. At times I feel

discouraged by the subject yet I do see a little light creeping in

here and there - but unfortunately not where it is most needed in

the government intitutions. The problems surely will be solved

sooner or later but in the meantime many young people are being

exploited and their fathers pocketbooks are being drained - with

insuffecient results.

 

 

> > In olden times, Vaidyas trained at the side of experienced

vaidyas

> > for many years before going on their own. Guru system is the

best

> > for training in traditional sciences - but is not readly

avaiable

> to most aspiring physicians.

>

> The old tradition is still available and parallely existing with

> academic training leading to B.A.M.S. and M.D. etc. The reason

that

> clinical training of academics is lacking because of

> (1) Ego of a degree holder; He feels shy to approach a "Nadi"

Vaidya.

> (2) Vaidyas with thriving practice take advantage of students

> (3) urgency to encash "degree" and "license".

> (4) Early and correct diagnosis needs gift of sixth sense

(Medha),

> in any branch of medicines; in the absense of it, only file of

> investigative "reports" swells.

>

> Secondly, despite many academic institutions now available in

> India, the number of "clinically trained/ Vaidya trained"

> practitioners is too small in comparison to the demand. Vaidyas

who

> prepare their own medicines can be counted on the fingures of

hands.

>

> Regards

> Dr Bhate

[Guest guest]

Bravo . Ganavdeva B.. It's nice to see someone say something positive.

Paramahanasa Yogaananda always advertised Prayer over criticism. I attended

the California Collage of Ayurveda and Have continued to study every since I

left there. I was told when attending that it was the best in the world. We

had students from all over the world and even some from India. In fact it

was a man from India who told me this. As for it being the best, I can't

verify that because I have nothing to compare it to. All I know is I studied

harder then I ever had in my whole life, and with all modesty aside I'm no

stranger to this, I have quite the extensive library in my home. All I know

is that I have helped many people with this great system.

 

As far as prescribing on this list I must say I have mixed

emotions about it. I have suggested single Items when I felt the person had

no other recourse. And as we all know this is treating the effect and not

the cause. But to throw an extensive formula at a person without knowing

their Prakriti, Vikriti, Subdoshas, condition and flow of their srotas,

could be deem as irresponsible. I don't take it to seriously because I know

most of these people can't get these herbs locally; and if they could the

preparation of them, and the continued use, long enough to produce any kind

of an effect is highly unlikely without follow up care and encouragement.

 

This is a good list and every once and a while I get some useful

information from here. It takes us all and it takes all kinds to make the

world go round. And I believe the people here have good intentions that will

help raise the quality of life for humanity, but there is no doubt it is

NOT a good substitute for a real school or doctor. ....Bless you all and

your work..

 

 

 

Noel Gilbert

 

Counselor

 

 

Body, Mind & Soul

 

LifeStyle Counselor

 

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[Guest guest]

I agree that the prctice of medicine in the internet is impossible

and unethical. For myself I never go into theraputics in particular

cases. I also heve not seen many here trying to practice medicine

without taking the case - which of course would be rediculous.

 

Most suggestions given here are generalised recommendations based on

traditional understandings in Indian culture - many such things are

known by every mother and housewife. And as far as medicines are

concerned most of the medicines sold in ordinary Ayurveda and Siddhi

pharmacies in India are medicines used without doctors consultation

for centuries. They are equivalant in their use to the alleopathic

medicines sold in English chemist shops.

 

One can walk into thousands of Ayurvedic chemist shops and get advice

on medicines from the shop keeper who is not qualified to practice

medicine - and generally it can not be said that they are practicing

medicine - they are suggesting medicines used for long time for

classic problems such as digestive disorders, pain, anxiety, etc.

Whether one agrees with this practice in Ayurveda or Alleopathy - the

fact is it is there and probably causes less problems than Vaidyas

who practice in an unethical way.

 

My observation is that most vaidyas posting here are experienced

people who do not try to practice Internet medicine. Most vaidyas

here are just trying to promote Ayurveda and provide a public service

to those many who do not have access to good physicians - especially

in the western countries - where the practice of full Ayurvedic

medicine is not allowed. In America where I live cases have been

brought (or attempted) against skilled doctors simply because they

are not qualified to practice here according to the American legal

system.

 

Even such luminaries such as Triguna, Trivedi, Warrier, Moos, etc.

would not be allowed to practice Ayurveda here.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ganadeva,

Thanks for the support of BAMS doctors.

AS many members have mentioned you will find many ayurveda trained

doctors who have very good theoretical knowledge, but very less

practical knowledge. But then you will also find many MBBS, BDS, BUMS

also who fit the above criteria. The problem is not with the persons

themselves but with a skewed medical policy which on the one hand

talks about having the latest medical advancements (whether they are

medical or mechanical, electronic etc is doubtful) and on the other

hand is unable to provide the most basic health care to its citizens.

No person can be a accomplished artist from birth. He may be gifted

but that gift has to be nourished and encouraged. Medical policy

should aim at providing basic healthcare before talking about modern

advancements. Unfortunately that is not profitable. So we have a

number of medical colleges opening up like mushrooms without proper

facilities. However gifted a person maybe without proper facilities

he wont be able to train properly. And this happens in all medical

fields not only ayurveda. It is admirable though that inspite of lack

of facilities there are many doctors from all fields who have trained

themselves to be the best in their fields, and I can proudly claim

that a fair number among them are ayurveda doctors.

 

As far as the prescription part is concerned, it is clear that nobody

would want to rely only on the advice provided here. The question of

liability arises only when you have given specific advice for a

specific condition and the person is relying entirely on you. That is

why I have always mentioned that in case of specific condition what

this group aims to do is to help you to find a trained person near

you. But giving general advice and also mentioning some routine

medication does not require the display of affiliation (I think you

mean registration number) with any particular medical body.

 

Cybervaidya