Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Hi I recently had panchakarma treatment while in India and the doctor did say that Shirodara was part of the treatment. However when the panchakarma was over he changed his approach and said that Shirodara was separate and had to be paid for (at what appeared quite a high price per treatment). He said I needed 4 or 5 treatments. My family seemed to think that he was just trying to make money and overcharging. I wonder if anyone knows a) if Shirodara is part of the panchakarma treatment and b) what the correct average price of shirodara treatment is in India. I would be very grateful for any ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Unfortuantely the problem you mention is very common. I have made many complaints about the cheating practices of many so called reputable ayurveda centers in India. In defense of those people it is partially a cultural differance that keeps them from seeing their mistake. Many Indian business men (Panchakarma treatments is little more than a business in most Indian Ayurvedic centers) see nothing wrong with having a multi leveled pricing scheme. They think if you are a rich foreigner then naturally you should pay more (sometimes many times more). This is not really a racial issue as foriegn Indians like me are also charged more. Setting up treatment programs to exploit foreigners is common in India and according to me is spoiling the name of Ayurveda. As many foreign people feel exploited when they go to one of those places - I rarely recommend for people to go to India for these treatments because they are often run on money considerations rather than scientific principles. As far as your general question about Shirodara. Shirodara is not a regular treatment in Panchakarma but many Vaidyas use it with most patients as it is helpful for many modern stress disorders. Prakruti and the nature of the disease is most important in determining whether any particular treatment (and its type - such as oil or buttermilk, etc.). Unfortuantely the practice of Ayurveda in India today is at very low ebb. Using the south as an example as it is the area I know most about. In Kerala they do not traditionaly use the same concepts for purification that are used in the north - this confuses many people. This is especially true when it appears that Malayalee vaidyas seem not to follow traditional understandings concerning many therapies. this is not actually an error it is the result of differant techniques of treatment being independantly developed over the years. Since many foreigners have heard of Panchakarma as practiced in the north - many southern vaidyas have adopted these northern techniques as a marketing tool. this has caused many problems and is consequently making many doubts for foreigners looking for health treatments. I have taken many treatments in many of the best centers in Kerala and did not get the benefit I expected from half of the treatments. Also in at least 50% of the cases I ended up with serious side- effects that took a long time to recover from. A properly adminestered Ayurvedic cleansing program should leave one feeling fresh and clear. It is a gamble. There are a few gifted Vaidyas who understand how to combine many old and modern techniques for maximum benefit - but most do not clearly understand the science involved in that process and consequently make big mistakes. One big error I notice in Kerala is the overuse of hot treatments in modern people many of whom are suffering from serious Pitta diseases and will surely get problems from hot treatments on body and head. The problem involved when a patient presents with mixed symptom picture such as mixed Vata-Pitta disease or mixed Vata-Kapha - both common in modern people - often are not clearly understood by many young inexperienced Vaidys - consequently they do not manage the cases well. One fellow with serious Vata-Pitta disease having hypometabolism and high blood pressure combined - was treate4d with hot oils extinsevly - he ended up in an alleopathic hospital after leaving the Ayurvedic hospital (a very famous place) with a dangerous hypertensive crisis - the combination of those Ayurvedic treatments and the alleopathic medicines he took ended him up in worse shape than before the treatments. The issues are very complicated and are not actually easily solved because of the fact that many centers use their own approach and the Ayurvedic science involved is something invented by the head physicians and may have no actual validity according to traditional methods. Bottom line is if you are a foreigner then you will undoubtably pay more in most places for the same treatments the Indian patients get for less. Many programs are designed as 'Ayurvedic Packages'these are often designed with many compromises based on economics and time consederations. These problems can not actually be solved but hopefully more Ayurvedic 'SCIENCE' will be applied to these programs. Also Indian business men need to understand that many foreigners that go to India for treatments do not have more money and actually are taking a big chance to spend so much money taking off from job and going to India for costly treatments that do not benefit very much. The excesses of the Ayurvedic 'Holiday' could be solved with strict adherance to Ayurvedic science - but many vaidyas are not qualified to translate complicated short term treatments into meaningful therapies. Hopefully these things will be solved sooner are later. I have heard that many programs of some big players in Ayurveda in India that were developed to catch foreign dollars have failed. I know of one place that was set up at great expense to cater to foriegners that is a financial flop. The director of that institution asked me why the foreigners did not come. My answer was 'It is too costly - and they get little benefit - so why would they come'. The standards at these places in no way reflect the cost - they are way overpriced. Some places that charge seperately for room rate - charge equal to a four or five star hotel for the simple rooms. Foreigners will naturally feel cheated. I pray that serious Ayurvedic practioners will reevaluate the isuues and come to a new conclusion that will lift the name of Ayurveda in the minds of foreigners not bring it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Dear Lorraine, You have touched upon a vey sensitive subject in ayurveda. You have asked 2 specific questions :- a) Is Shirodara is part of the panchakarma treatment. b) What the correct average price of shirodara treatment is in India? a) There are many misconceptions about what panchakarma is. The subject is so vast that many books have been written on it. However to summarize in a nutshell, ayurvedic treatment is classified into 2 broad types namely "shaman" and "shodhan". Ayurveda beleives all diseases are caused by am imbalance of doshas i.e. either they are increased or decreased. In practise however we have to deal with increased doshas mostly (whether decreased doshas are really capable of creating disease is a major debate in ayurvedic academic circles). Shaman means supression of these imbalanced doshas by giving oral medications. Till over a decade ago ayurvedic treatment consisited mostly of this type only. However when the doshas are imbalanced (read increased) in large quantities shaman treatment proves ineffective or takes a very long time. The need then is to physically remove these increased doshas. The method adopted for that is called as shodhan. There are many procedures by which shodhan is effected. The five major processes are what are collectively termed as panchakarma. "Panch" means five, "karma" means "procedure" - plain and simple. These five are emesis, purgation, medictaed enema, blood-letting and nasal medication. However over the years (rather centuries) some other procedures were also found to be effective (the most popular among them was shirodhara). Though they could be technically called as shodhan treatment since panchakarma had a special appeal to it (because the effects of panchakarma were visible immediately, as opposed to oral medication) they began to be included under panchakarma. Though this violates the meaning of "pancha", since the basic aim of the procedures (the new ones) was the same as the first five many people included them under panchakarma. The problem arises because many people think that all 5 procedures in panchakarma should be done at the same time. This is not true. Only in certain conditions, like administration of Kuti-Praveshik Rasayan should all 5 procedures be done simultaneously. Otherwise any one or two of the procedures are to be done depending on the disease. Why some Panchakarma centers insist on doing all 5 or rather they add their own procedures in between (for example oil massage and steam, which are like pre-operational procedure are passed of as panchakarma) is very obvious. The second misconception which has been spread about panchakarma is that "you feel nice", "you feel light" etc. Panchakarma is a treatment procedure. The feeling of well-being after panchakarma should not be confused or expected of the feeling you get after a good hot water bath. If the feeling of lightness is due to your wallet getting lightened, that also should not be considered a side-effect of panchakarma. I can go on and on but in short the answer to your first question is shirodhara though not strictly a panchakarma procedure can be included in your shodhan treatment if required. What was wrong in your case was to first say that shirodhara is a part of panchakarma and then to charge separately for it. This is like charging for water separately after you have had a five course meal. Whether water is included in a five course meal would be a tough question to answer. b) Because of its nature, panchakarma treatment is expensive. This is one of the major reason why both the practise and use of panchakarma treatment was not so prominent till a decade ago. How much a certain procedure will cost (the basic cost incurred by the doctor to administer panchakarma) depends on location of the center, cost of raw material, cost of labour, experience of the doctor etc. Just as many surgical procedures are cheaper in India than in the US or UK, so also a panchakarma procedure done in cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai will be 10 times more costly than if done in a small town. The reason here is not only that there are some people in it only for the money, but sometimes doing panchakarma as is mentioned in the texts is unglamorous and not too rewarding. So instead of sesame oil, some medicated or scented oil is used. This increases the cost and is abviously passed on to the patient (I refrain from using the word consumer). All said and done a single sitting of shirodhara should cost you anywhere between Rs.350/- to Rs.1500/- if done at a regualr center and Rs.1000/- to Rs.5000/- if done at resorts, five star hotels etc. (whether they should be done at resorts and five star hotels is another debatable issue) Cybervaidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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