Foot habits,Ethics, Economy and spiritual Considerations

[Guest guest]

Dear members:

 

 

 

To all Vaidyas and Neo-Ayurvedic practitioners , since we are

members of an ayur vedic forum , we are bound to be truly holistic

in our approach to health , hence, with due respect , I do

considerer that the following information has to be integrated in

our food habits.

I wish all a very good Agni !!

 

Note: Please notice that I haven't mention modern Health reasons

considerations.

 

MORAL AND ETHICAL REASONS

In 2000 in the UK 700 million innocent animals were slaughtered to

satisfy the human palate. Mankind goes on perpetrating these

obscenities on the defenceless creations of God and yet expects peace

and happiness for itself. Gandhiji said the following about cow

protection but the same sentiments apply to all animals - "Cow

protection to me is infinitely more than mere protection of the cow.

The cow is merely a type of all that lives. Cow protection means

protection of the weak, the helpless, the dumb and the deaf. Man

becomes then not the lord and master of all creation, but he is its

servant." The next step in the progress of human civilisation has to

be the liberation of animals from the tyranny of mankind.

 

 

ECONOMIC REASONS

When around 10 million people are starving in the world today, most

of the fertile land in the USA and other European countries is used

to grow crops to feed animals, which are in turn consumed by human

beings. This is an absolutely wasteful way of feeding ourselves; e.g.

for every 16 pounds of grains fed to cattle only one pound of meat is

produced. It is estimated that a 10% reduction in meat production

will result in enough grain to feed 10 million people

SPIRITUAL REASONS

For every single action that we perform there is a reaction. If we

cause pain and suffering to other living beings, then in this life

and in the next, we will in turn suffer the consequences of our

impious activities. In the Vedas it is mentioned that one who kills a

cow will suffer the same fate for as many lives as there are hairs on

the cow he killed. The reactions of karma equally affect those who

kill, deliver, sell, prepare, cook, serve and eat the meal. There is

no escape from the stringent laws of nature for anyone who aids and

abets the animal slaughter industry. Indeed all the major religions

advocate the ideals of vegetarianism:

1. The Annushasen Parva, Mahabharat says "Undoubtedly all those

human beings who prefer meat to several forms of food are like

vultures."

2. The Manusmrti says "All supporters of meat eating are

sinners." It further states, "One whose meat I eat will eat my flesh

in the next life."

3. The Christian Faith also says in Genesis (1.29) "Behold, I

have given you every herb-bearing tree in which the fruit of the tree-

yielding seed, it unto you shall be for meat."

4. Guru Nanak, Founder of the Sikh Faith, said "My disciples do

not take meat and wine."

5. Lord Buddha said, "Meat is food for sub-human beings".

6. The Acharang Sutra of the Jain Faith said, "All creatures

desire self-preservation, hence no creature should be slaughtered."

7. Gandhiji said "I do feel that spiritual progress does demand

at some stage that we should cease to kill our fellow creatures for

the satisfaction of our bodily wants."

 

 

by from now

chai nitai

[Guest guest]

On Friday, April 9, 2004, at 06:28 AM, ayurveda

wrote:

 

> To all Vaidyas and Neo-Ayurvedic practitioners , since we are

> members of an ayur vedic forum , we are bound to be truly holistic

> in our approach to health , hence, with due respect , I do

> considerer that the following information has to be integrated in

> our food habits.

> I wish all a very good Agni !!

>

> Note: Please notice that I haven't mention modern Health reasons

> considerations.

 

please do

after all, this list is about debating Health issues...

 

>

> MORAL AND ETHICAL REASONS

> In 2000 in the UK 700 million innocent animals were slaughtered to

> satisfy the human palate. Mankind goes on perpetrating these

> obscenities on the defenceless creations of God and yet expects peace

> and happiness for itself. Gandhiji said the following about cow

> protection but the same sentiments apply to all animals - "Cow

> protection to me is infinitely more than mere protection of the cow.

> The cow is merely a type of all that lives. Cow protection means

> protection of the weak, the helpless, the dumb and the deaf. Man

> becomes then not the lord and master of all creation, but he is its

> servant."

 

well, i would say the lot of many cows in India, where this animal is

held sacred, is highly questionable

in urban areas these beasts are nothing more than large urban rats who

wander the streets at considerable peril to the human denizens

i remember coming across a couple cows tied up above the burning ghats

in varanasi, covered in soot

what you hold as ideal is not matched by what actually happens

 

> The next step in the progress of human civilisation has to

> be the liberation of animals from the tyranny of mankind.

 

well, that's your opinion, but this a list on Ayurveda

my intent is to restore the teachings, not modify it to fit my personal

philosophy

 

>

>

> ECONOMIC REASONS

> When around 10 million people are starving in the world today, most

> of the fertile land in the USA and other European countries is used

> to grow crops to feed animals, which are in turn consumed by human

> beings. This is an absolutely wasteful way of feeding ourselves; e.g.

> for every 16 pounds of grains fed to cattle only one pound of meat is

> produced. It is estimated that a 10% reduction in meat production

> will result in enough grain to feed 10 million people

 

if you would have listened at all to my arguments i am firmly against

grain fed meat b/c it is intrinsically unhealthy

animals should be pasture fed

your arguments are irrelevant to the point i have clearly made, and

from the outset

 

 

> SPIRITUAL REASONS

 

>

> abets the animal slaughter industry. Indeed all the major religions

> advocate the ideals of vegetarianism:

 

nonsense!

 

> 1. The Annushasen Parva, Mahabharat says "Undoubtedly all those

> human beings who prefer meat to several forms of food are like

> vultures."

> 2. The Manusmrti says "All supporters of meat eating are

> sinners." It further states, "One whose meat I eat will eat my flesh

> in the next life."

 

do you have citations for these?

 

> 3. The Christian Faith also says in Genesis (1.29) "Behold, I

> have given you every herb-bearing tree in which the fruit of the tree-

> yielding seed, it unto you shall be for meat."

 

ah, but continue your reading a little further in Genesis, Chapter 4:

 

3. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought the fruit

of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

4. And Abel, he also brought the of the firstlings of his flock and the

fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and his offering:

5. But unto Cain and his offering HE had not respect. And Cain was very

wroth, and his countenance fell.

 

and continues the LORD, a little later on, after Cain kills Abel in a

fit of jealousy

 

12. When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto

thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

 

on an allegorical basis, this suggests the growing supremacy of

agriculture over nomadic living, and the disaster this has wrought on

our health

its interesting to note how many jews suffer from diseases like IBD,

which I have cured (which isn't a term i use lightly) by simply

removing cereals and legumes from the diet

 

but anyway, with all due respect to the Bible, there are enough

contradictions and anomalies within it not to rely upon it wholly

have you ever reviewed Leviticus?

apart from the detailed requirements for making animal sacrifices, did

you know you are not supposed to wear clothing made with mixed fibers!?

check it out:

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KjvLevi.html

 

if you were to follow every commandment in the Bible, you would be

running around in circles, all day long

that's why there are people trained in Biblical lore (rabbis, priests,

imams), to help us determine what we should and should not follow, if

we are Jewish, Christian or Muslim

and NO authentic Biblical scholar would suggest that any of these

traditions are vegetarian

 

> 4. Guru Nanak, Founder of the Sikh Faith, said "My disciples do

> not take meat and wine."

 

i am not Sikh, but perhaps you could provide us with a citation?

but even within Sikhism there are discrepancies, e.g. the Nihang Singh

sect, which claim to be the originals

one notable Sikh saint is Bhagat Sadhnaa ji, whose hymns are

incorporated in the Guru Granth Sahib, and was a butcher by trade

 

 

> 5. Lord Buddha said, "Meat is food for sub-human beings".

 

the Buddha ate meat! He died from eating pork when he had an anal

fistula!

please provide a citation for this statement, b/c I've never come

across it

 

> 6. The Acharang Sutra of the Jain Faith said, "All creatures

> desire self-preservation, hence no creature should be slaughtered."

 

then perhaps you should become a digambara

strip naked, wear a mask, filter your water, sweep in front of you

wherever you go, and dine on decaying vegetation (remember, nothing

fresh or living)

and then fast to death like all the saints!

 

honestly! why should we pick and choose what and what not we should

apply in our daily lives?

it is spiritually inconsistent

 

> 7. Gandhiji said "I do feel that spiritual progress does demand

> at some stage that we should cease to kill our fellow creatures for

> the satisfaction of our bodily wants."

 

Gandhi was also respectful to other spiritual traditions, and did not

suggest that his Muslim or Christian brothers and sisters that they had

less access to god

b/c they weren't vegetarian - something that you are in fact suggesting

 

Gandhiji was a Gujarati (a vegetarian culture), and somebody who tried

to come to terms with his own faith and practice it with integrity

but if you read his biography, you will see that he struggled with the

concept of vegtarianism

 

Caldecott

www.wrc.net/phyto

phyto

[Guest guest]

My feed back:

 

YOU SAID

`well, i would say the lot of many cows in India, where this animal

is held sacred, is highly questionable in urban areas these beasts

are nothing more than large urban rats who wander the streets at

considerable peril to the human denizens i remember coming across a

couple cows tied up above the burning ghats in varanasi, covered in

soot what you hold as ideal is not matched by what actually happens'

 

Chai nitai said

 

you are showing in this paragraph your lack of information about

India culture, although you present yourself in this forum as a very

proficient, it is sad that your talent remains in the surface,

that's the reason why you are so irrespectfull. Perhaps you eat to

much meat ? Is your heart begin to beat fast now ? guess why?

 

> The next step in the progress of human civilisation has to > be the

liberation of animals from the tyranny of mankind.

 

YOU SAID

well, that's your opinion, but this a list on Ayurveda my intent is

to restore the teachings, not modify it to fit my personal philosophy

 

Chai nitai said

 

YOUR INTENT IS TO RESTORE THE TEACHINGS ?, DON'T MAKE ME CRY, ufff!,

you have a long long way to go, but go ahead keep working hard ,but

first do yourself a BIG favour restore your own self, that's a big

job to do, before pretending to restore Ayur Veda, live this job for

the Sadhus and great pandits.

 

 

>

>

> ECONOMIC REASONS

> When around 10 million people are starving in the world today, most

> of the fertile land in the USA and other European countries is used

> to grow crops to feed animals, which are in turn consumed by human

> beings. This is an absolutely wasteful way of feeding ourselves;

e.g.

> for every 16 pounds of grains fed to cattle only one pound of meat

is

> produced. It is estimated that a 10% reduction in meat production

> will result in enough grain to feed 10 million people

 

You said

if you would have listened at all to my arguments i am firmly against

grain fed meat b/c it is intrinsically unhealthy animals should be

pasture fed your arguments are irrelevant to the point i have clearly

made, and from the outset

 

 

Chai nitai said

Seems to be that the only one who claim to be a big time listener in

this forum is yourself, Yes Sir, I read all your nonsense patiently,I

have to admit you have something that calls my attention. And you are

not that bad after all.

 

 

> SPIRITUAL REASONS

 

>

> abets the animal slaughter industry. Indeed all the major religions

> advocate the ideals of vegetarianism:

 

You said

nonsense!

 

Chai nitai said

Explaime why is nonsense! You have plenty of time to do it. I may

not anwer in a week or so, I'm moving house, do not take as an

evassion, ok?

 

 

> 1. The Annushasen Parva, Mahabharat says "Undoubtedly all those

> human beings who prefer meat to several forms of food are like

> vultures."

> 2. The Manusmrti says "All supporters of meat eating are

> sinners." It further states, "One whose meat I eat will eat my flesh

> in the next life."

 

do you have citations for these?

 

Chai nitai said

 

YES I have all the quotations, I'm a disciple of AC Bhaktivedanta, I

was taught to provide quotations but I plan to release only to my

followers. I gave you a clue( Raja Vidya raja guhyam pavitram idam

uttaman, pratyaksham bhawavan dharmina susukham kartum adamiam … )

 

you said

> 3. The Christian Faith also says in Genesis (1.29) "Behold, I

> have given you every herb-bearing tree in which the fruit of the

tree-

> yielding seed, it unto you shall be for meat."

 

Chai nitai said

 

The word meat here refers only to food

 

ah, but continue your reading a little further in Genesis, Chapter 4:

 

3. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought the fruit

of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

4. And Abel, he also brought the of the firstlings of his flock and

the

fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and his offering:

5. But unto Cain and his offering HE had not respect. And Cain was

very

wroth, and his countenance fell.

 

and continues the LORD, a little later on, after Cain kills Abel in a

fit of jealousy

 

12. When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto

thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the

earth.

 

YOU SAID

on an allegorical basis, this suggests the growing supremacy of

agriculture over nomadic living, and the disaster this has wrought on

our health

its interesting to note how many jews suffer from diseases like IBD,

which I have cured (which isn't a term i use lightly) by simply

removing cereals and legumes from the diet

 

 

Chai nitai said

, I want to remind you that nobody cures anything, ONly God

heals OK ? so, Slow down please.

 

YOU SAID

but anyway, with all due respect to the Bible, there are enough

contradictions and anomalies within it not to rely upon it wholly

 

Chai nitai said

 

A BIG YES I DO AGREE!!.

 

YOU SAID

have you ever reviewed Leviticus?

apart from the detailed requirements for making animal sacrifices, did

you know you are not supposed to wear clothing made with mixed

fibers!?

check it out:

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KjvLevi.html

 

if you were to follow every commandment in the Bible, you would be

running around in circles, all day long

 

Chai nitai said

 

Agreed again !!

 

that's why there are people trained in Biblical lore (rabbis, priests,

imams), to help us determine what we should and should not follow, if

we are Jewish, Christian or Muslim

and NO authentic Biblical scholar would suggest that any of these

traditions are vegetarian

 

 

Chai nitai said

 

 

That I may even reconsider,

 

> 4. Guru Nanak, Founder of the Sikh Faith, said "My disciples do

> not take meat and wine."

 

i am not Sikh, but perhaps you could provide us with a citation?

but even within Sikhism there are discrepancies, e.g. the Nihang Singh

sect, which claim to be the originals

one notable Sikh saint is Bhagat Sadhnaa ji, whose hymns are

incorporated in the Guru Granth Sahib, and was a butcher by trade

 

Chai nitai said

 

 

Do not comapare enlighten souls with a normal butcher. Please refer

to the common sense , we are in 2004,!

 

 

> 5. Lord Buddha said, "Meat is food for sub-human beings".

 

you said

the Buddha ate meat! He died from eating pork when he had an anal

fistula!

please provide a citation for this statement, b/c I've never come

across it

 

Chai nitai said

 

 

You can transcend all the rules when you reach nirvana not before,

if Budha eatead or not meat is not a problem, but do not be offended,

you and me are in a lower stage of spiritual evolution. As such , You

can't propagate a philosophy that eat meat is good , because is

rubish, Human tendency is by nature week and you are giving an

incentive to take the lower path, for this you can mislead lots of

people , just the opposite of restauring Ayur Veda, this is Big time

NONSENSE !!. Now I'm reading your temper, I'm sure are getting a bit

angry, I'm right or wrong ??.

 

> 6. The Acharang Sutra of the Jain Faith said, "All creatures

> desire self-preservation, hence no creature should be slaughtered."

 

you said

then perhaps you should become a digambara

strip naked, wear a mask, filter your water, sweep in front of you

wherever you go, and dine on decaying vegetation (remember, nothing

fresh or living)

and then fast to death like all the saints!

 

Chai nitai said

 

No my job is to attempt to restore your brain, ummm! Difficult I

guess , but I'll try, Deep inside you are a good guy.

 

honestly! why should we pick and choose what and what not we should

apply in our daily lives?

it is spiritually inconsistent

Chai nitai said

 

 

Finally I agreed !

 

 

>

 

7. Gandhiji said "I do feel that spiritual progress does demand

> at some stage that we should cease to kill our fellow creatures for

> the satisfaction of our bodily wants."

 

Chai nitai said

 

That's right, this is the point

 

Gandhi was also respectful to other spiritual traditions, and did not

suggest that his Muslim or Christian brothers and sisters that they

had

less access to god

b/c they weren't vegetarian - something that you are in fact

suggesting

 

Gandhiji was a Gujarati (a vegetarian culture), and somebody who tried

to come to terms with his own faith and practice it with integrity

but if you read his biography, you will see that he struggled with the

concept of vegetarianism

Chai nitai said

 

 

My question is, have you read my ethical, ecological

consideration ? . Ayur veda is not eatging this and not eating that,

we have to share a world with less and less resources, why do we have

to misused them, by living a life of greed and lust ?. Shall I start

again ?.

Shall we occupy this valuable place arguing on and on?

 

 

Sorry to touch your ego, but I feel that I have the right to say what

am I saying.

 

Chai nitai said

[Guest guest]

> you are showing in this paragraph your lack of information about India

> culture, although you present yourself in this forum as a very

> proficient, it is sad that your talent remains in the surface, that's

> the reason why you are so irrespectfull. Perhaps you eat to much meat

> ? Is your heart begin to beat fast now ? guess why?

 

what? have you got some kind of transdimensional sphygmomanometer

hooked up to me!

usually its polite to ask first, but please be gentle

 

anyway, why don't you tell me all about my self

i am sure everyone wants to hear <yawn>

 

>

>

> YOUR INTENT IS TO RESTORE THE TEACHINGS ?, DON'T MAKE ME CRY, ufff!,

> you have a long long way to go, but go ahead keep working hard ,but

> first do yourself a BIG favour restore your own self, that's a big job

> to do, before pretending to restore Ayur Veda, live this job for the

> Sadhus and great pandits.

 

ok Chai nitai

wipe the tears my love

my intent is to clarify points on diet that I believe have been

distorted

many Ayurvedic commentators routinely suggest that eating meat is bad

and unhealthy

and yet, there are no textual sources to support this

 

>

> Chai nitai said Seems to be that the only one who claim to be a big

> time listener in this forum is yourself, Yes Sir, I read all your

> nonsense patiently,I have to admit you have something that calls my

> attention. And you are not that bad after all.

 

thanks!

i think my dog likes me too!

 

>

> SPIRITUAL REASONS

>

> abets the animal slaughter industry. Indeed all the major religions

> advocate the ideals of vegetarianism:

>

> You said nonsense!

>

> Chai nitai said Explaime why is nonsense! You have plenty of time to

> do it. I may not anwer in a week or so, I'm moving house, do not take

> as an evassion, ok?

 

ok, let's start from West to East:

 

1. First Nations: non veg

2. European paganism: non veg

3. European Christianity: non-veg

4. African tribal: non-veg

5. Islam: non-veg

6. Judaism: non veg

7. Tibetan Bon and central Asian shamanism: non veg

8. Buddhism (in its various forms): non veg by vast majority; some

sects and observance days call for vegetarian meals

9. Hinduism: mixed, as many Hindus eat meat, but not beef

10. Shinto: non-veg

11. Polynesia and Australia: non veg

 

and there are many more, minor examples

 

>

> 1. The Annushasen Parva, Mahabharat says "Undoubtedly all those human

> beings who prefer meat to several forms of food are like vultures." 2.

> The Manusmrti says "All supporters of meat eating are sinners." It

> further states, "One whose meat I eat will eat my flesh in the next

> life."

>

> do you have citations for these?

>

> Chai nitai said

>

> YES I have all the quotations, I'm a disciple of AC Bhaktivedanta, I

> was taught to provide quotations but I plan to release only to my

> followers. I gave you a clue( Raja Vidya raja guhyam pavitram idam

> uttaman, pratyaksham bhawavan dharmina susukham kartum adamiam … )

 

ok, geesh

it was just a request

but do I really have to become your follower to get a citation out of

you?

 

 

>

> YOU SAID on an allegorical basis, this suggests the growing supremacy

> of agriculture over nomadic living, and the disaster this has wrought

> on our health its interesting to note how many jews suffer from

> diseases like IBD, which I have cured (which isn't a term i use

> lightly) by simply removing cereals and legumes from the diet

>

> Chai nitai said

>

, I want to remind you that nobody cures anything, ONly God heals

> OK ? so, Slow down please.

 

ok, if you want to play "change the level of abstraction" as a basis of

argument, there is no discussing anything

of course only God heals, but then i am speaking conventionally,

otherwise there is no point in saying anything

 

anyway, my point, i believe, was well-taken, as it simply served to

point out inconsistencies in your claims

 

>

> YOU SAID but anyway, with all due respect to the Bible, there are

> enough contradictions and anomalies within it not to rely upon it

> wholly

>

> Chai nitai said

>

> A BIG YES I DO AGREE!!.

 

yes of course you would, as a Hindu

but please don't agree to enthusiastically lest you insult one of our

Christian members ;-)

 

 

> 4. Guru Nanak, Founder of the Sikh Faith, said "My disciples do not

> take meat and wine."

>

> i am not Sikh, but perhaps you could provide us with a citation? but

> even within Sikhism there are discrepancies, e.g. the Nihang Singh

> sect, which claim to be the originals one notable Sikh saint is Bhagat

> Sadhnaa ji, whose hymns are incorporated in the Guru Granth Sahib, and

> was a butcher by trade

>

> Chai nitai said

>

> Do not comapare enlighten souls with a normal butcher. Please refer to

> the common sense , we are in 2004,!

 

Huh? it was you that referenced the writings of a medieval prophet,

and I simply illustrated the inconsistencies within what you are

saying, as far as vegetarianism is concerned

 

>

> You can transcend all the rules when you reach nirvana not before,

 

whose rules? yours?

 

> if Budha eatead or not meat is not a problem, but do not be offended,

> you and me are in a lower stage of spiritual evolution. As such , You

> can't propagate a philosophy that eat meat is good , because is > rubish,

> Human tendency is by nature week and you are giving an incentive to

> take the lower path, for this you can mislead lots of people , just

> the opposite of restauring Ayur Veda, this is Big time NONSENSE !!.

> Now I'm reading your temper, I'm sure are getting a bit angry, I'm

> right or wrong ??.

 

no, just exasperated!

i am a little shocked that you can make such statements without any

providing any textual support

 

btw, all this is just good clean fun, a kind of entertainment for me

i save my real fervor for the important stuff

 

but my zeal to correct perceptions re: diet in Ayurveda still stand,

and nobody has contradicted me with anything other than a polemic

in fact, the real vaidyas on the list have all agreed with me, even tho

they themselves may be vegetarian

 

>

> My question is, have you read my ethical, ecological consideration ? .

> Ayur veda is not eatging this and not eating that, we have to share a

> world with less and less resources, why do we have to misused them, by

> living a life of greed and lust ?. Shall I start again ?. Shall we

> occupy this valuable place arguing on and on?

 

your ethics are your ethics, not reflective of Ayurveda

ecologically, the production of vast monocultured crops also has a

major negative ecological impact

thus your environmentalist ethic does not contradict mine, b/c I also

advocate sustainable husbandry and farming

 

>

 

> Chai nitai said

>

> No my job is to attempt to restore your brain, ummm! Difficult I guess

> , but I'll try, Deep inside you are a good guy.

 

thanks Chai nitai, i always appreciate the good wishes

but please ask permission before working on my brain in the future ;-)

 

lots of love your way (seriously)

and have a good move

 

Caldecott

phyto

http://www.wrc.net/phyto

[Guest guest]

Dear Todd:

 

I manage to write few words before my flight, here they go.

 

you said

what? have you got some kind of transdimensional sphygmomanometer

hooked up to me!

usually its polite to ask first, but please be gentle

 

 

Chai nitai says

 

I didn't now that it was called transdimensional sphygmomanometer.

 

 

You said

 

anyway, why don't you tell me all about my self

i am sure everyone wants to hear <yawn>

 

Chai nitai says

 

This is what am I doing, I provoke you and you react, and what comes

out of this will be self evident.

 

 

Chai nitai says

 

YOUR INTENT IS TO RESTORE THE TEACHINGS ?, DON'T MAKE ME CRY, ufff!,

> you have a long long way to go, but go ahead keep working hard ,but

> first do yourself a BIG favour restore your own self, that's a big

job

> to do, before pretending to restore Ayur Veda, live this job for the

> Sadhus and great pandits.

 

 

 

You said

 

ok Chai nitai

wipe the tears my love

my intent is to clarify points on diet that I believe have been

distorted many Ayurvedic commentators routinely suggest that eating

meat is bad and unhealthy and yet, there are no textual sources to

support this

 

Chai nitai says

 

 

Thanks for the clarification

 

 

abets the animal slaughter industry. Indeed all the major religions

> advocate the ideals of vegetarianism:

>

> You said nonsense!

>

> Chai nitai said Explaime why is nonsense! You have plenty of time to

> do it. I may not anwer in a week or so, I'm moving house, do not

take

> as an evassion, ok?

 

 

You said

 

 

ok, let's start from West to East:

 

1. First Nations: non veg

2. European paganism: non veg

3. European Christianity: non-veg

4. African tribal: non-veg

5. Islam: non-veg

6. Judaism: non veg

7. Tibetan Bon and central Asian shamanism: non veg

8. Buddhism (in its various forms): non veg by vast majority; some

sects and observance days call for vegetarian meals

9. Hinduism: mixed, as many Hindus eat meat, but not beef

10. Shinto: non-veg

11. Polynesia and Australia: non veg

 

and there are many more, minor examples

 

Chai nitai says

 

 

Excellent observation,!!! You have a great power of observation, my

heart begins to melt, I'll begin to release my quotations soon, hold

on your breath. I keep going, that's why the important thing in life

is not to follow fake religions , they have spoil every thing , and

the fight goes on and on. Once again, another quotation: for the

support of this statement :

sarva dharma parityaya mam ekam saranam braja,aham twam sarva papevyo

mokshasjisjami… ( don't ask me for a translation, you should know

this sloka, that's the ABC of the Gita)

 

 

YES I have all the quotations, I'm a disciple of AC Bhaktivedanta, I

> was taught to provide quotations but I plan to release only to my

> followers. I gave you a clue( Raja Vidya raja guhyam pavitram idam

> uttaman, pratyaksham bhawavan dharmina susukham kartum adamiam … )

 

 

You said

ok, geesh

it was just a request but do I really have to become your follower to

get a citation out of you?

 

Do you understand the meaning of the above sloka,?

 

Chai nitai says

 

I give you another clue, read the Bhagavad-Gita. I'm not going to

tell you which chapter, the same apply with all my statements, I'm

sure you did it (I mean you read it at least once in your lifetime),

but please, permit me to humble request you, read it again, then you

will understand why nobody is force to reveal any transcendental

secret, just like that openly, sorry but it doesn't work this way.

You will agree with me in this point, there should be a mutual loving

relation for these to happen. Probably we will become good friends

one day.

Once more time. I'm sure you are true student, and I do appreciate

your determination. Keep the good work.

 

 

 

Chai nitai says

You can transcend all the rules when you reach nirvana not before,

 

 

You said

 

whose rules? yours?

 

 

 

Chai nitai says

 

no, God's rules

 

 

you said

btw, all this is just good clean fun, a kind of entertainment for me

i save my real fervor for the important stuff

 

but my zeal to correct perceptions re: diet in Ayurveda still stand,

and nobody has contradicted me with anything other than a polemic

in fact, the real vaidyas on the list have all agreed with me, even

tho they themselves may be vegetarian

 

I do agree the above lines in the paragraph,

 

I'm an actor,a bit of sarcastic and playful that's healthy, I also

like to provoke, and I learn a great deal about life in this way.

 

I don't know way you remind me to Jimmy Carrey, in the movie `Bruce

Almighty' provable I spell it wrong.

 

Sorry, I have to stop now, two hours before going to the airtport.

 

Lots of love and respect for you Todd.

 

Chai nitai