Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 whoo boy! I thought I would just formulate just one more reply to some of the comments made re: animal products, saturated fat and toxicity and then i promise to restrain myself ;-) Dr. Bhate provides a quote from a website that indicates problems with saturated fat and the accumulation of toxins yes, fat-soluble compounds such as xenoestrogens are thought to accumulate in fat thus, there is a theoretical risk that eating more fat generally would increase the consumption of such compounds while all animals accumulate and concentrate these toxins in fatty tissues, thus increasing the risk of accumulation, another source are non-organic vegetable oils extracted with chemical solvents and or stored in plastic containers, as well as fatty foods stored/marketed/shipped plastic storage generally (incl. the lacquer used in canned food), as well as herbicides/pesticides etc. btw, olive oil packaged outside the Mediterranean is sometimes shipped in the same tankers that ship crude oil! in the same post Dr. Bhate extolls the virtues of breast milk, a value with which I heartily agree, except that since we are using science as our marker to assess fat (please note FWIW that I am also well prepared to examine the issue of fat on strictly ayurvedic and neo-ayurvedic grounds as well), we also have to admit to ourselves that human breast milk is the single greatest source of chemical toxins in almost any substance we call food humans, vegetarian or not, are on the top of the food chain and at the highest risk (given our size/weight) for accumulating toxins: not just because we eat meat, but also because we process and refine our foods (even by traditional methods, e.g. vegetable oil extraction) and thus concentrate toxins in them, and because we expose our bodies to a myriad of chemical toxins on a daily basis (interior and environmental pollution, cosmetics, preservatives, herbicides/pesticides etc.) given the higher fat content in a woman (>20% in health), women naturally accumulate more of these toxins than men some of these stored toxins are extremely difficult to bind and remove from the body **breast feeding** however is one of the most effective ways for a woman to liberate these compounds, thereby reducing her risk of adverse events associated with the retention of the these compounds, but also passing along a cumulative risk to her child given the factors described above, it is logically inconsistent to suggest that we should not eat meat but still breast feed our children FMI check out: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0838/2000_May-June/62141683/p1/ article.jhtml other references on breast milk toxicity include: John W. Frank and Jack Newman, "Breastfeeding in a Polluted World: Uncertain Risks, Clear Benefits," Canadian Medical Association Journal 149 (1993): 1. C. Koopman-Esseboom et al., "Effects of PCB/Dioxin Exposure and Feeding Type on Infant's Mental and Psychomotor Development," Pediatrics 97, no. 5 (1996): 700-706 BBC News, "British Breast Milk Highly Contaminated," June 29, 1999. news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_380000/380948.stm. i have examined the pros and cons of eating meat, and believe that if the animal is wild or farmed in an organic and sustainable fashion, the benefits outweigh the risks, and the accumulation of toxins negligible but if you can't get this kind of meat/eggs/ghee, you are probably better off eliminating them altogether **** another writer suggests that eating saturated fat is bad for you generally: note there is no convincing evidence of this whatsoever - those of you who believe this have been scared off by a polemic that has its origins in the corporate monopoly of our diet, but isn't based in science see: http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/oiling.html nor is the elimination of saturated fat recommended in Ayurveda although some vegetarian (neo) Ayurvedists have adopted the anti-saturated fat polemic in fact, if those of you who question my knowledge and take the time to review the extant texts of Ayurveda you will quickly see that foods rich in saturated fat are not only an important component of the diet, but also an important medicine to boot; such foods are only ever avoided in kaphaja conditions such as agnimandya, prameha and medo roga - but don't take my word for it: do the research yourselves if we want to direct the discussion of fat so that it is based strictly on Ayurvedic (not philosophic) grounds (as how can we really debate somebody's personal philosophy), I am very confident that nothing I've stated is at all contradicted by any Ayurvedic text older than 100 years old; those of you only informed by secondary sources such as Frawley, Lad etc. will of course come to different conclusions. saturated fat gets a bad rap, but it is one of the few fats that is highly resistant to lipid peroxidation those of you filling your body with corn, sunflower, canola, flax and hemp oils may only be increasing the generation of cancer-causing free radicals by consuming oils which are inherently unstable; this is why the unsaturated fats in fish oil are usually formulated with vitamin E btw, although saturated fat is often stated (by alternative practitioners) to be contraindicated in cancer (once again, w/o the science to back it up), i know of several clinics that now use a high fat diet in cancer treatment to ward off cachexia (i.e. wasting, or vatakopa), and are getting fantastic results - using a higher fat diet seems to be beneficial in treatment b/c it stops the tumor for accessing an easily available source of nutrition, i.e. glucose, from carbohydrate-rich foods, and hence down-regulates tumor growth Caldecott phyto http://www.wrc.net/phyto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 <The message has been edited by Dr. Bhate; in the absence of other members requested to reply> Yikes. Todd do you know of a reliable source of olive oil? Caldecott <phyto wrote:whoo boy! I thought I would just formulate just one more reply to some of the comments made re: animal products, saturated fat and toxicity and then i promise to restrain myself ;-) Dr. Bhate provides a quote from a website that indicates problems with saturated fat and the accumulation of toxins yes, fat-soluble compounds such as xenoestrogens are thought to accumulate in fat thus, there is a theoretical risk that eating more fat generally would increase the consumption of such compounds while all animals accumulate and concentrate these toxins in fatty tissues, thus increasing the risk of accumulation, another source are non-organic vegetable oils extracted with chemical solvents and or stored in plastic containers, as well as fatty foods stored/marketed/shipped plastic storage generally (incl. the lacquer used in canned food), as well as herbicides/pesticides etc. btw, olive oil packaged outside the Mediterranean is sometimes shipped in the same tankers that ship crude oil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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