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whoo boy!

 

I thought I would just formulate just one more reply to some of the

comments made re: animal products, saturated fat and toxicity

and then i promise to restrain myself ;-)

 

Dr. Bhate provides a quote from a website that indicates problems with

saturated fat and the accumulation of toxins

 

yes, fat-soluble compounds such as xenoestrogens are thought to

accumulate in fat

thus, there is a theoretical risk that eating more fat generally would

increase the consumption of such compounds

while all animals accumulate and concentrate these toxins in fatty

tissues, thus increasing the risk of accumulation, another source are

non-organic vegetable oils extracted with chemical solvents and or

stored in plastic containers, as well as fatty foods

stored/marketed/shipped plastic storage generally (incl. the lacquer

used in canned food), as well as herbicides/pesticides etc. btw, olive

oil packaged outside the Mediterranean is sometimes shipped in the same

tankers that ship crude oil!

 

in the same post Dr. Bhate extolls the virtues of breast milk, a value

with which I heartily agree, except that since we are using science as

our marker to assess fat (please note FWIW that I am also well prepared

to examine the issue of fat on strictly ayurvedic and neo-ayurvedic

grounds as well), we also have to admit to ourselves that human breast

milk is the single greatest source of chemical toxins in almost any

substance we call food

 

humans, vegetarian or not, are on the top of the food chain and at the

highest risk (given our size/weight) for accumulating toxins: not just

because we eat meat, but also because we process and refine our foods

(even by traditional methods, e.g. vegetable oil extraction) and thus

concentrate toxins in them, and because we expose our bodies to a

myriad of chemical toxins on a daily basis (interior and environmental

pollution, cosmetics, preservatives, herbicides/pesticides etc.)

 

given the higher fat content in a woman (>20% in health), women

naturally accumulate more of these toxins than men

some of these stored toxins are extremely difficult to bind and remove

from the body

 

**breast feeding** however is one of the most effective ways for a

woman to liberate these compounds, thereby reducing her risk of adverse

events associated with the retention of the these compounds, but also

passing along a cumulative risk to her child

 

given the factors described above, it is logically inconsistent to

suggest that we should not eat meat but still breast feed our children

FMI check out:

 

 

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0838/2000_May-June/62141683/p1/

article.jhtml

 

other references on breast milk toxicity include:

 

John W. Frank and Jack Newman, "Breastfeeding in a Polluted World:

Uncertain Risks, Clear Benefits," Canadian Medical Association Journal

149 (1993): 1.

C. Koopman-Esseboom et al., "Effects of PCB/Dioxin Exposure and Feeding

Type on Infant's Mental and Psychomotor Development," Pediatrics 97,

no. 5 (1996): 700-706

BBC News, "British Breast Milk Highly Contaminated," June 29, 1999.

news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_380000/380948.stm.

 

i have examined the pros and cons of eating meat, and believe that if

the animal is wild or farmed in an organic and sustainable fashion, the

benefits outweigh the risks, and the accumulation of toxins negligible

but if you can't get this kind of meat/eggs/ghee, you are probably

better off eliminating them altogether

 

****

another writer suggests that eating saturated fat is bad for you

generally: note there is no convincing evidence of this whatsoever -

those of you who believe this have been scared off by a polemic that

has its origins in the corporate monopoly of our diet, but isn't based

in science

 

see: http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/oiling.html

 

nor is the elimination of saturated fat recommended in Ayurveda

although some vegetarian (neo) Ayurvedists have adopted the

anti-saturated fat polemic

 

in fact, if those of you who question my knowledge and take the time to

review the extant texts of Ayurveda you will quickly see that foods

rich in saturated fat are not only an important component of the diet,

but also an important medicine to boot; such foods are only ever

avoided in kaphaja conditions such as agnimandya, prameha and medo roga

- but don't take my word for it: do the research yourselves

 

if we want to direct the discussion of fat so that it is based strictly

on Ayurvedic (not philosophic) grounds (as how can we really debate

somebody's personal philosophy), I am very confident that nothing I've

stated is at all contradicted by any Ayurvedic text older than 100

years old; those of you only informed by secondary sources such as

Frawley, Lad etc. will of course come to different conclusions.

 

saturated fat gets a bad rap, but it is one of the few fats that is

highly resistant to lipid peroxidation

those of you filling your body with corn, sunflower, canola, flax and

hemp oils may only be increasing the generation of cancer-causing free

radicals by consuming oils which are inherently unstable; this is why

the unsaturated fats in fish oil are usually formulated with vitamin E

 

btw, although saturated fat is often stated (by alternative

practitioners) to be contraindicated in cancer (once again, w/o the

science to back it up), i know of several clinics that now use a high

fat diet in cancer treatment to ward off cachexia (i.e. wasting, or

vatakopa), and are getting fantastic results - using a higher fat diet

seems to be beneficial in treatment b/c it stops the tumor for

accessing an easily available source of nutrition, i.e. glucose, from

carbohydrate-rich foods, and hence down-regulates tumor growth

 

Caldecott

phyto

http://www.wrc.net/phyto

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Yikes. Todd do you know of a reliable source of olive oil?

Caldecott <phyto wrote:whoo boy!

 

I thought I would just formulate just one more reply to some of the

comments made re: animal products, saturated fat and toxicity

and then i promise to restrain myself ;-)

 

Dr. Bhate provides a quote from a website that indicates problems with

saturated fat and the accumulation of toxins

 

yes, fat-soluble compounds such as xenoestrogens are thought to

accumulate in fat

thus, there is a theoretical risk that eating more fat generally would

increase the consumption of such compounds

while all animals accumulate and concentrate these toxins in fatty

tissues, thus increasing the risk of accumulation, another source are

non-organic vegetable oils extracted with chemical solvents and or

stored in plastic containers, as well as fatty foods

stored/marketed/shipped plastic storage generally (incl. the lacquer

used in canned food), as well as herbicides/pesticides etc. btw, olive

oil packaged outside the Mediterranean is sometimes shipped in the same

tankers that ship crude oil!

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