Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 The articles of Shirish Bhate and Todd Caldecott are not new, nor is the shock of the Indian woman from the knowledge of how the animals are "fed before being slaughtered" or "the way in which they are slaughtered". This topic, rightly described by Shirish is beyond Ayurveda, and in fact, beyond our normal comprehension. As the world population approaches 7 Billion, the need for Food and Medicines is bound to increase. And scientists are bound to try to find ways that increase the amount of crops, or the quality of meats or vegetables. It is sad to recognize that the animals are indeed slaughtered ( otherwise they cannot be eaten as food), or the way in which they are held in a small cubicle, fed only milk to soften the veal, or given other foods and hormones, before being sacrificed. As cruel as it actually is, nobody has tried to understand the " screams of a potato or a tomato, as it is cut" either. It appears that nature has provided us these vegetables and fruits, for our consumption, but so is the animal provided to us for the same reason. The chinese Yin and Yang !!! Perhaps, going back to ancient times, one should kill the animal oneself, by pursuing it, and giving the animal a fair chance to escape, and only then will we have a healthy respect for the animal meat. While eating animal or non-animal food, it may be wiser to repeat the 15th chapter of Bhagwat geeta, or any other pertinent religious text, that prays to the food being consumed, which has sacrificed its life, so that we may continue with our "life". I do not for once, think that vegetarians are spiritually higher. I have met several "pure vegetarians", who cheat fellow human beings, or cheat on taxes. There are also several non-vegetarians , who may be spiritually more refined, due to their attitude. We cannot generalize that one is better than the other. There are good and bad vegetarians and non-vegetarians. Personally, as a born Hindu Brahmin, and having lived in the West for a long time, I have vacillated between both the systems. And feel, that spirituality is beyond all this. For eat, we must to survive, be it by "killing" or "cutting" a tomato or an animal. I still fast on certain days ( thanx to my wife) and have vegetarian food on Tuesdays and Thursdays for " health or religious" reasons. We try to eat as little meat as possible, but also believe that the taste buds, smell and visual presentation decide what is finally consumed at week-end parties. Experimentally, it has been shown that in "isolated" large farms of America, the genetically engineered seeds fly through air and water from as far away as 500 miles. So, there is nothing really that is free of such artificially enhanced or reduced " jeeva shakti". The answer is to reduce the amount of growth of world population. But infection is controlled, people live longer and their food and health needs are going to increase exponentially. Short of accidents or wars, the population is going to increase to 10 Billion soon !!! So much for good news!!! The bad news is known to all readers of these columns. There may be an increase of cancers and immune diseases in general, but I do not think that there is a selective increase of brain or spinal cord dysfunction. it is just that a column such as ours, is bound to attract people with unusual diseases to seek "ayurvedic" answers to their health problems. In short, eat little,eat healthy, exercise in moderation, meditate and pray, and have a healthy respect for the food consumed.Thank nature, power, force, or God for any health one has acquired from the parents and hope it continues into the next generation........... durgesh ayurveda wrote: There are 9 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Re: Teenage dipression and madness luvmetal1 2. re: Eczema Caldecott 3. re: the potato Caldecott 4. Re: Diet Considerations for Health Caldecott 5. Re: Digestion Caldecott 6. Re: Sacral Agenesis "chainitai" 7. Diet Considerations, Health, Obessity, Part-II "Shirish Bhate" 8. Re: Sacral Agenesis Neha Agrawal 9. Re: Re: Sacral Agenesis manish patwardhan ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:51:20 EST luvmetal1 Re: Re: Teenage dipression and madness Approximately how much fenugreek and aloe? Whole aloe? Put it on the hair or try to get it into the scalp to penetrate? Thank you for you help. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:47:49 -0700 Caldecott re: Eczema to my knowledge smoking tobacco has no beneficial effect upon eczema given the pronounced observed relationship between problems with lung function and skin function, smoking could be seen to make it worse theoretically, if the eczema is more based in nervous/emotional issues, the tobacco may improve symptoms only b/c it modulates nervous activity i've never seen this however On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 05:28 AM, ayurveda wrote: > Message: 2 > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 05:11:11 -0800 (PST) > matridasa > Re: Re: Eczema > > When one has eczema, should one abstain from tobacco consumption or > has tobacco no effect on healing of an eczema? > > Caldecott phyto http://www.wrc.net/phyto ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:22:38 -0700 Caldecott re: the potato > It is interesting to know that Ayurveda belives in "what you eat so > you become" Thus if you eat long slender vegetables, you will also > become slender. On the other hand, if you eat round and heavy > vegetables/fruits, you will also become curvy. Brinjal for instance, > is believed to cause obessity. So is Pottato. But let me pose a > question. Many of us know that a boiled and smashed potato pulp is > used to grow micro organisms in Laboratories. Though potato is liked > so much by these organsims, none of them do not touch it when not > harvested, lying inside the soil. In fact, Potato does not need any > pesticide. It is most unattacked food. And the only way it becomes > unusable is when due to hot environment, it sprouts in the storage. > It is so full of fertilization power that it sprouts rapidly. Hence, > it is liked by everyone all over the globe. Potato, good when boild > with skin and eaten without frying. It does not cause any obessity, > contrary to thing by most. any starchy food consumed to excess will promote obesity - period frying them in oils causes the peroxidation of the oils, which become free-radicals and carcinogens (ama) in contrast to your statements Dr. Bhate, potatoes are a heavily sprayed crop in North America there probably isn't a commercial farm that hasn't been impacted by pests like the wireworm, potato beetle, aphids etc. of course this is much a statement upon modern agriculture than anything else, but proper sustainable organic agriculture can limit the effect of pests in all vegetables in my humble opinion, the only benefit to the potato is its skin, which can be prepared as a wonderful mineral rich broth for detoxification i have cured patients of chronic digestive disorders simply by eliminating potato from their diet this I learned from my Ayurvedic teachers, who did not think highly of the potato Caldecott phyto http://www.wrc.net/phyto ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:22:35 -0700 Caldecott Re: Diet Considerations for Health On Monday, March 29, 2004, at 05:28 AM, ayurveda wrote: > Jeeva shakti. Hence Todd recommends that all veggies feel happier > when they take something from other animals. Ghee, eggs, milk, etc. > Did we not grow most rapidly and healthily on mothers milk. Thus > animal derived foods have more Jeeva shakti and as Guru Khalsa > pointed out in yesterdays post, Animal food also has Karma hidden > inside it. What he calls Karma, the author terms it as intelligence. > Despite much progress in science, this Jeeva shakti, Karma etc has to > be believed as indirectly proven. Can anybody show gravitation, > electricity directly? There presence has to be accepted as an axiom. the difference is that with gravity and electricity (the latter of which can certainly be measured), is that they have an observed cause and effect relationship the negative effects of eating meat upon spiritual consciousness is not clear: it is a statement of theory/philosophy, but no way to actually see it in contrast to the oft stated perspective that eating meat impairs meditation (i.e. is more tamasic), I have not experienced this as an inherent truth; nor does this match with the experience of highly evolved masters of meditation from traditions outside of hinduism, e.g. Tibetan Buddhism, Bon, Sufism, Christianity, Judaism etc. if anything, poor nutrition would affect one's ability to concentrate and focus prolonged fasting (and a long term sub-optimal diet) can certainly promote an altered states of consciousness, but are these altered states more valid than one's regular consciousness, i.e. are these altered states simply a manifestation of disturbed vata? eating animal products is perhaps more tamasic, but this quality of tamas can reconnect oneself to the body, to one's physical consciousness to my understanding the basic perspective of Indian philosophy suggests that we should not deny the body, but recognize its existence within our own consciousness, and how this consciousness is affected by it being here, being now body-consciousness-spirit Caldecott phyto http://www.wrc.net/phyto ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:37:13 -0700 Caldecott Re: Digestion dear Vinod good questions. > What is the biological process that renders the second meal harmful 1. undue volume in the upper GIT compresses the heart and causes a restriction in its function; some people routinely overeat, almost to the point of choking ("cafe coronary"), and thus routinely cause this problem 2. eating a second meal w/o it being digested leads to the formation of ama; ama of course causes many problems, and negatively impacts upon vascular health of course the Ayurvedic conception of the heart doesn't exactly correspond with biological mechanisms; remember, that the heart first receives the slurry of nutrients after digestion, to circulate rasa through the body; the heart is also the seat of ojas, and the mind: a weak agni impairs ojas and negatively affects consciousness > what is the criteria for ascertaining that the earlier meal has been > fully digested the meal has been digested when: 1. the stomach feels empty 2. there is hunger (i.e. gastric rumblings and gurglings, not psychohenic hunger that most people confuse with real hunger) 3. there is no taste of the previous meal in the mouth 4. burps have no taste of the previous meal 5. there is a sudden drop in energy levels (this is more a factor of eating carbohydrates, which causes a rebound hypoglycemia) Caldecott phyto http://www.wrc.net/phyto ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:05:18 -0000 "chainitai" Re: Sacral Agenesis ayurveda, "Cybervaidya" wrote: > Sorry. Instead of " How are you doing with the treatment of your > same", it should have been " How are you doing with the treatment of > your son" Dear Ciber Vaidya: I been away for two weeks in Spain, I'm back now . I'm resident in Uk Hants, but moving to Spain soon, Since the last seven years we (my wife and myself) we are working closely with allopathic Drs. and listen to their advises and complementing with my ayur vedic insight, in a sense we are living with special needs and in a sense nobody knows better than our personal circumstances, we have no other choice but to keep making prowress and remain positive, as such we are bound to understand how the doshas are changing, and spetially have a clear picture of your budget, how much you can afford, available time, and so on. As I mention before we are here to serve and make an spiritual progress, since time to time I connect with some Vaidyas and I try follow the common sense,but I'm not running here and there looking for the perfect treatment, just as a father can do, with love and respect , I use my valuable life experience,requesting permission from God within myself, just to remind you I beging my studies of traditional Ayur Veda in Calcutta in 1975,under the guidance of a powerful Vaishnava Vaidya. I did further studies in Pune in the Ayur Vedic College,alone with this valuable experience, I live with a Brazilian shamans. ( simmilar to Eastern Auyur Veda. What would you do if you live in an isolated island with no Dr. with no one arround to help ?. Perhaps we all have to do one thing, just trust God and beg for help, and develop a common sense. Are you with me? Before I forget. Allopatic Drs. Pediatritians ,are happy with the evolution of Joshua, They told me I don't know nothing about ayur Veda or Chiness medicie, but what you are doing seems to work. we keep permanently open for the blessings of Dhanvantary, and it may come at any time in any shape and any form. thanks for your interest best wishes chai ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:03:28 -0000 "Shirish Bhate" Diet Considerations, Health, Obessity, Part-II In continuation with earlier post, todays post discusses farming of food. One may argue that this topic falls outside ayurveda, but we must know the way our foodgrains are harvested. The reasons for poor health and obessity lies in the method of crop production. We also discuss food suppliments, genetically engineered food. Manures, Pesticides Nature has provided adequate resistance to each specie to fight against diseases to which it is vulnerable. Same resistance they transfer to humans, when consumed. While scientists created chemical fertilizers and altered the gene structure in chase for materialism, they ignored the fact that when production increases, the quality or health decreases. The hybrid seeds gave increased crops quantity but it lacked the basic Jeeva shakti and therefore resistance. Organic manures, being made from live material like cowdung, wastage containing cellulose, transfer the Jeevashakti present in them to plants/crops. Organic manures created by us are not artificial ones, they just mimic the process going on in the nature for millions of years. Chemical fertilizers, on the other hand, have no Jeevashakti at all. Hence low resistance of crops to pests, diseases. And what happens in reality? The pests develop resistance to pesticides, they learn how to live in threatening situations. They develop tolerance, just as human body develops drug tolerance. Nature has given this kind of seasoning capability to every specie. Hence more poisonous pesticides needed slowly. And they finally enter in the body of same scientist, through food. Why all this genocide for materialism? Today, the richest country in the world has no industry other than dairy and agriculture. Dairy provides organic manure for agriculture. Due to chemical fertilizers, in developing countries, while food production has increased, per hectare production has decreased, even with hybrid seeds. This is due to reduction in fertilization power of land with this chemical attack. Many lands have grown infertile. Now they cant produce anything useful even with fertilizers. Indian farmers in Maharashtra, through cow urine, cowdung, etc., have found a process by which the land can be brought back to yielding, taking three years. See the connection between dairy and agriculture. An American scientist, Dr. Noel Wit Mayer has found that pesticide created using neem can save crops from nearly 200 different pests. Furthermore, the grains can be preserved for nearly ten months from insect attack. Apart from being a safe pesticide, Neem, unlike other pesticides does not cause any side effects on humans or other animals. He has a ten year research to back his claims. Dr. Robert Larson, found that neem pesticides can protect all crops from 470 different species of pests. He has obtained global patent, and sold the rights to a drug multinational. This multinational, whether it will make more profits through selling neem pesticides or drugs which may become essential to save people from traditional pesticides it sells, it is difficult to say. In India, there is one district in Maharashtra, where chemical fertilizers and pesticides are replaced by organic manure and neem+cow urine pesticide. This being development of last four years, will spread to other districts and states very rapidly. Food supplements, Genetically modified Foods Questions about safety of genetically engineered food, currently estimated to affect up to 70 percent of food supply, fuel hot debates in the news every day. The scientists, health workers, environmentalists, and consumer advocates are concerned about this new technology - namely, that it poses risks to the environment and to human health and economic well-being. But while it doesn't often make headlines, the ancient science of ayurveda offers a unique perspective on the issue, one that suggests greater spiritual ramifications than even most critics will acknowledge. As psychiatrist Byron P. Rigby, president of the Australian Association of Ayur Vedic Medicine explains, genetic engineering actually poses not a crisis of biological science, but "a crisis of consciousness." The technology involves inserting genetic material from animals, insects, viruses, and other organisms into the DNA of food products such as corn, soybeans, and tomatoes - a practice that goes against the sacred fabric of life. Nature's organizing power is Jeevashakti. It is this intelligence in the DNA that determines the characteristics of different species. By splicing foreign genetic material into the DNA of a plant, the plant's fundamental connection with the wholeness of life is damaged. This damage gets passed on to us at the dinner table as well as when we use cosmetics, where many animal products are mixed with herbal cosmetics also. The ayurvedic texts define the source of all disease and suffering as "the mistake of the intellect." This occurs when individuals (or even single cells) "forget" their connections with the wholeness of life and believe themselves to be isolated entities. Creating, and then eating/applying, genetically engineered foods/cosmetics exposes us to the mistake. If you physically injure someone, it is usually possible to repair the damage. However, if you damage someone spiritually, it destroys the Jeevashakti. Because nature's fundamental intelligence has been damaged in genetically engineered food, eating it causes spiritual damage. We are all threads in the fabric of creation, says ancient ayurvedic texts. To believe ourselves to be the weavers, capable of successfully manipulating nature's intelligence, is a symptom of mistake and the assumption reveals our ultimate naiveté. Says Steven Druker, J.D., executive director of the Alliance for Bio- Integrity, "The genetic program of a living organism is vastly more powerful and more complex than limited human intelligence." This can be easily understood by just one example. When scientists created more and more powerful pesticides, the insects and pests also developed their intelligence to survive, or increased their Jeevashakti. This is also evident in India, where, mosquitoes are no more absent in the presence of fluorescent lamps, while in the child hood days of author, if you did not have repellant, just leave lamp on and sleep peacefully. They now bite even when fan is ON full speed. The instinct to survive is the intelligence provided by universe to all. Analysts use many different phrases to describe genetically engineered foods. The biotech industry rarely uses the phrase "genetically engineered foods," sticking with the more bland (and less controversial) phrase "biotech foods." In Europe, genetically engineered foods are more commonly referred to as genetically modified foods, genetically altered foods or GMOs (short for genetically modified organisms). But scientists generally agree that "genetically engineered" more accurately represents the process than "genetically modified." Supporters of biotech foods often try to argue that we have been genetically modifying our foods for centuries, through a process known as hybridization, or inter-breeding. But that process is far different than the recombinant DNA splicing used in modern agricultural biotechnology. Hybridization occurs in nature as a result of attraction forces, chemistry between species, especially where reproduction is sexual. By providing attraction only where needed, Nature ensures useful hybridization. Strong, intelligent and healthy babies are generally born out of intercast, inter-religion love marriages in Indian societies, as seen by this author. The lack of a signle marriage with nadi-dosha in such marriages made him believe, that nature does not cause attraction if progency is likely to suffer. This is experience, not provable in laboratories or measurable quantity. It is interesting to note that the new eleventh edition of the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary added the word "Frankenfood" as another term to describe genetically engineered food. The arguments by those fighting against this hybridization can be checked up at http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey1.htm Due to the high complexity and scientific nature of genetic engineering, people aren't aware of this topic. However, the spectrum of genetic engineering reaches beyond the realm of science, as it is part of each area of general education. For example, it affects === message truncated ===The Durgesh Mankikar,MD Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 In the US they have been putting farmers and ranchers out of business since the Reagan administration, in the 80's! Instead of filling our animals and fruits and vegetables full of poisons, why don't we just put the farmers back in business? Perhaps it is in the best interest of these pharmaceutical companies to produce these poisons for profit. As far as the animal sacrificing itself for our needs, that is absurd. I hardly think they are lining up saying "oh take me next" Regardless of how animals are raised, or the lack therein, people are still going to bed hungry at night! Third word countries are infested with disease and the people are starving, if anyone can make a statement about that I would be very interested in hearing it! Yes, it is beyond Ayurveda, way beyond!!! Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Intersting to see man waking up to a new tomorrow.We are coming up with a project VEDIC GRAM--- A LIFESTYLE SANCTUARY (in a village near Delhi). Our website -www.vedicgram.org is scheduled for launch shortly .Meanwhile you can visit my currently active website www.cosmicrhythms.com and have a feel of our vision Dr Neelam >ayurveda wrote: >In the US they have been putting farmers and ranchers out of business since >the Reagan administration, in the 80's! Instead of filling our animals and >fruits and vegetables full of poisons, why don't we just put the farmers >back in business? Perhaps it is in the best interest of these >pharmaceutical companies to produce these poisons for profit. As far as the >animal sacrificing itself for our needs, that is absurd. I hardly think >they are lining up saying "oh take me next" Regardless of how animals are >raised, or the lack therein, people are still going to bed hungry at night! >Third word countries are infested with disease and the people are starving, >if anyone can make a statement about that I would be very interested in >hearing it! Yes, it is beyond Ayurveda, way beyond!!! >Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Sometime back there were explanations from Todd about the over emphasis on dietary fat as the main culprit for cardiac problems thru cholesterol. I found the explanation very logical. Since then I have been discussing this with Doctors of modern science. I must say they all agree that there is an over emphsis on dietary fat as the culprit when no one really knows the causes. Surprisingly most of them have not applied their mind to the hypothesis that since most of the cholestrol is produced in the body, would not the body's regulatory system control its production in the situation of higher dietary cholestarol and thus cholestrol level in the serum may not be the right indicator of risk of cardiac problems. I thought I should share this with the group. Any further feedback is welcome. Vinod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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